P.S. Bacon is life

September 1st, 2007 · 200 comments

The Coast newspaper in Halifax recently invited its readers to share their “passive-aggressive roommate tales.” (Gee, what a novel idea!)

My favorite part:


Excerpts from a 34-point note sent to a former roommate:

2. Your rent was always late and it was not paid in full.

4. You used the dishes and baking ware that we provided to you and often did not clean them, left them to ruin, or left them for someone else to clean because you were too busy rushing out the door to go party when you had all day off. If you have all day off, do something more than try to find someone, anyone to hang out with that night that just so happens to have a car and is willing to pick your lazy ass up.

22. Your friends have no right to use and mess up our bathroom. You have your own, it’s part of your room. Also, if they are going to be putting fruit remains in our garbage can, have them removed before they rot. While we’re on the subject…

23. Fruit flies. Need I say more?

25. We were quite upset that you didn’t buy us anything for Christmas worth more than $3. It’s not the money really, but $1.50 each, that’s just insulting. We noticed that week you borrowed money from your current fling to go out and party. I hope you did buy a self-help book at Chapters like you said you were planning.

29. When people have to work very early in the morning, like at 5am, it’s not very nice to have your loud-mouthed boyfriend chatting with you all night, take it somewhere else. Like his mom’s house where he still lives…

30. The clogged toilet thing, you got off easy on that one. Plumbing and property damage is a lot more important than rushing out the door to hang out with your friends. Prioritize.

33. The comment you made about being the type of person who can’t live with someone is something you should take serious consideration of. How are you going to continue living your faux Sex and the City lifestyle if your goal in life is to find a man you can live with, and if you are not the type of person that can actually live with someone?” B.M.

Full story here; another choice excerpt after the jump.

Bottle baby

“This was his first time living on his own, he was a second-year university student, his parents did everything for him…cook, clean, buy food, laundry, etc. His room was beside mine. He would play his music loud, leave his dirty sweaty sports clothes all around the common areas. He had NO idea that dishes were washed by people and not some magical dish fairy or house elf. Me and the other roommates tried being subtle, from polite Post-Its on dirty dishes and his various stinking things left around.

Enough was enough, we had to take matters into our own hands. He had a date one night, he cooked her a meal at the flat. Afterwards he left the dirty dishes, uneaten food on the kitchen counter. We took all those dirty dishes, pots and pans, and food and put them in his bed. After he and his date came home, and decided to “get it on,” he found the dishes and such in his bed. He put them on the table outside his door. They stayed there for days until we washed them ourselves because they stank.

In the bathroom he would often leave his shaved whiskers in the sink, use half a roll of toilet paper in one trip, use all of our shampoo, etc. So. Enough was enough. We put onion salt on his toothbrush several times. He didn’t notice. Finally, after he used most of my expensive shampoo I snapped. I urinated in the shampoo bottle, there was only about an inch left of shampoo, I shook it all up to mix it in. I bought new shampoo that I kept in my room. He continued to use the urinated shampoo. He never clued in. I never told him.

I went to get my wisdom teeth out. When I got home later I found out he had ransacked my room looking for something he had left at the gym. I was furious. I called his mother. She came into town with his uncle’s truck, packed up his stuff, gave us a cheque and took him home for the summer. To this day, I have never seen him again.” B.W.

FILED UNDER: bullet points · Canada · cleaning · dishes · dishwasher · food · Halifax · money · revenge · roommates

200 responses so far ↓

  • #1   LC

    *LC pencils in “soyfucker” to handy pocket lexicon*

    Brilliant, “soyfucker” is. Vegans are sanctimonious anorexics and you know it’s true.

    LOVE LOVE LOVE the itemized list…basically reminds me of my pube-carpet roomie.

    Sep 1, 2007 at 3:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   Laur

      I am a vegan, but I don’t preach and I find this hilarious.

      Oct 10, 2009 at 12:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #2   Kai

    Wow. That last part is truly passive-aggressive. Taking revenge on him in ways he may not even know about. The guy sure couldn’t take a hint- if he did notice, he couldn’t give a fuck. Imagine being his lucky date who finds the dishes in the bed- I bet that really lit her fire.

    Well, I’m going to college guys- I’m sure I’ll have a passive-aggressive story or two to share. Natch!

    P.S. Someone please explain the appeal of bacon? It’s treif, and besides, I wouldn’t eat it anyway. Being in the same room as bacon makes me ill. Part of that might have to do with the time someone dumped a bunch of bacon grease into a Port-a-Potty…

    Sep 1, 2007 at 3:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   pony girl bang

      Bacon is life.

      Oct 10, 2009 at 12:33 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #3   Craniac

    Hmmm … what is a “donair” pizza?

    Sep 1, 2007 at 3:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   nonentity

      A Donair consists of a fried pita with shredded spiced beef cooked on a spit than covered in Sweet sauce (condensed milk, sugar and vinegar) with sliced tomatoes and onions on top

      Apr 25, 2008 at 10:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.2   Sean

      the best f*&@ing thing at 3 am coming home from the bar.. i like mine as a cheese pizza with donair meat, hot peppers, maybe some green pepper and onions, and some donair sauce on the side (big tub of it). you may have some ‘fragrant aftereffects’ the next day, especially if you had heavy beers that night! lmao!

      Jun 22, 2009 at 7:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #4   Nanna

    *giggles* Now this is a PRIME example of true passive-agression! The note is awesome! So many snide comments and little barbs! The words are poetry, and slightly hateful! They speak of someone who has been hoarding demerits against this person for ages, because they are too chicken to just say it to the person’s face!

    Reminds me of a two page bitch-fest a roommate left for the rest of us years ago when we had no idea she was even angry about anything!

    PS – I also congratulate the author of the fucking delicious phrase “soyfucker.”

    Sep 1, 2007 at 3:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #5   Jeff

    Thank GOD someone finally put a self-righteous vegan in her (I’m assuming) place!

    Veganism is a choice, people. You live in the real world where normal people eat meat. Your interests will always come second, deal with it.

    Sep 1, 2007 at 3:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   Zorn

      I’m pretty sure it wasn’t like that at all, these two are probably good friends and were joking with each other. You seem like you got some pent up aggression there though. Did you have a bad run in with a vegan or something??? Concerned

      Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.2   Sophietrophy

      In the real scientific world, human teeth are much further evolved to perform the grinding tasks of eating herbivorous diets.
      Similarly, in the real world, animal mass just plain stinks worse than average decomposing plant matter. Personally, even if I weren’t a vegan, I would be upset if someone ruined my compost in this way

      Jun 24, 2009 at 3:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.3   Chris

      Actually, in the “real scientific world” human teeth have evolved to eat an omnivorous diet – both plant and animal. Incisors are not just for plants, they are for cutting and gnawing. Also, consider the four canine teeth humans have – I don’t think you need to pierce a piece of broccoli.

      I consider myself a conscious omnivore and research where I buy my meat from. Rotting meat does smell, however has anyone ever smelled rotting bean sprouts? That’s one of the few things that really trigger my gag reflex!

      Also, I don’t think meat would ruin your compost, it may ruin your belief that a non-meat compost is better.

      Jul 1, 2009 at 10:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.4   Wanda

      It’s not about the veganism. Meat and cheese just don’t go in the compost (unless it’s a huge industrial one). Maybe he detracted from his message by signing it “the vegan,” but in principle, he is correct.

      And if you have worms in your compost, then yes, meat and cheese DO ruin your compost. Not to mention it reeks much worse than vegetable matter, and it attracts flies and maggots. Ew. I’m not a vegan, but I’m with team vegan on this one.

      Aug 1, 2009 at 11:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #6   Foxtrot

    Pissing in the shampoo bottle is great. Revenge is slowly becoming a lost art. It’s one of the key aspects of our nature that distinguishes us from animals and is not only appropriate, but healthy at times.

    Sep 1, 2007 at 5:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #7   Mr DeBakey

    Donair Pizza?
    The Best
    Or, Can be

    Donair meat , onions, To-mah-toes

    vegatarians, meh
    troublemakers if ya ask me [spits]

    Sep 1, 2007 at 5:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #8   Mark Oshiro

    Vegans aren’t shitty people. Those people were probably shitty people before they went vegan. They just found something new to be shitty about.

    Sep 1, 2007 at 5:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #9   spiderflowers

    I wonder if that guy still got dates when he had onion breath and hair that smelled like piss.


    Sep 1, 2007 at 5:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #10   Porky

    I love bacon!

    Sep 1, 2007 at 6:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #11   LC

    So, call me out-of-the-loop, but I thought “donair pizza” was just a nonsensical rambling of a pissy, protein-deprived vegan. NOT SO…

    Have a looksee…


    I wonder if “donair pizza” has a special “odair” all its own…LOL :)

    Sep 1, 2007 at 6:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   cx420ns

      KOD FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      man oh man why do i have to live an hour away =’[

      and yes it has an odair XD i find it disgusting myself. donairs and pizza don’t mix in my book!

      Mar 4, 2009 at 7:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #12   Andy

    Next up in Spiderman 4, Spidey takes on the most sinister of the sinister: The Vegan! Ahhhhhh!

    Man, that second note is pure gold. That’s gold, I tell you! “Soyfucker” and “bacon is life”.

    I want T-shirts, dammit!

    That donair pizza was fucking delicious.

    Sep 1, 2007 at 6:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #13   Spooky MILF

    Jeff: Right on!!

    ….*filing “soyfucker” away in the thesauras in my head*

    Team Soyfucker!!!

    Sep 1, 2007 at 6:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #14   Fraulein N

    I think Bottle Baby got everything that was coming to him. When subtle hints and vengeful product tainting don’t work, I guess your last resort pretty much is calling in Mommy or the po-po.

    “Soyfucker”? That’s hilarious, y’all. Why is there a stinking mouse (I’m guessing those are stink lines) on the first note? Makes me think some rodent crawled in after that rotting donair pizza. And who could blame him? It was fucking delicious, after all.

    Sep 1, 2007 at 6:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #15   Sid

    Isn’t compost for fruit and veg stuff only? I thought you weren’t supposed to put meat and cheese in it; something about the way it decomposes. Irrationally hate veganism as much as you want (btw I’m not vegan), but leaving meat around to rot seems like a really bad idea.

    Sep 1, 2007 at 7:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #16   Nanna

    Yeah, meat in a compost really stinks it up.

    Sep 1, 2007 at 8:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #17   Patrick

    In San Francisco, we compost all foods – and then some.

    All Food
    fruit, vegetables, meat, poultry, seafood, shellfish, bones, rice, beans, pasta, bread, cheese, and eggshells

    Food-soiled Paper
    waxed cardboard, napkins, paper towels, paper plates, paper milk cartons, tea bags, coffee grounds/filters, wooden crates, and sawdust

    floral trimmings, tree trimmings, leaves, grass, brush, and weeds

    Sep 1, 2007 at 9:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #18   Joe

    You compost wooden crates? And waxed cardboard??? Considering the fact it takes years for wood to rot in the wild, and wax never decomposes (when was the last time you saw a rotten candle?), in what century were you planning to use your compost? You do realize the point is to eventually use it as soil to grow things, right?

    Sep 1, 2007 at 9:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #19   dennis

    hell yes bk is life….

    Sep 1, 2007 at 10:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #20   julie

    unfortunately, the “soyfucker” note exchange was a staged photo for the article.

    too bad, because it rocks.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 1:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #21   Darcy

    Mark @ 9 is right. Veganism doesn’t turn people into assholes, nor is it a lifestyle that only attracts assholes. It’s just that the only vegans we ever seem to hear from are the sanctimonious, twatty ones who can’t keep their own decisions out of other people’s faces.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 2:12 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.1   donkey

      darcy, for every ‘sanctimonious, twatty’ vegan, there are 20 douchebag carnivores that go out of their way to belittle, demean, and pester vegans and vegetarians. sometimes, they’re downright hostile. i’m not going to excuse an overzealous vegan… but, don’t think for a second that there isn’t a whole lot more coming from the other side.

      Jun 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.2   pony girl bang


      Oct 10, 2009 at 12:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #22   Andy

    julie: What? Someone would stage a photo (or note) for an article (or post)?!

    Now you’ll be telling me there’s no Santa Claus.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 7:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #23   Craniac

    i’m still not clear on what “donair” is. i read the wikipedia article, and it manages to use the word numerous times without ever defining it! is it a kind of meat or fish (“halifax donair”)? or is it one of those insular things where you just have to live there (in nova scotia) to understand? maybe i should google it.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 8:05 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #24   Craniac

    oh, re “donair”, it’s from a turkish word that simply means “turning roast” and it’s like a gyro, I suppose.

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donair
    for a further wikipedia elucidation.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 8:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #25   JanB

    I love the site. I listed a blog award for your site on my blog.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 8:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #26   southern girl

    In case the Vegan didn’t know, King of Donairs offers TWO kinds of pizzas for him/her….

    1. Heart Smart Vegetarian (comes with mushrooms, tom., gr peps, broccoli, zuchini, mozz cheese, tom sauce)

    2. Greek pizza (olive oil, tom sauce, kalamata olives, onions, tom, feta and mozz cheeses)

    Both sound good to me and I am not at all vegan.

    If I were the NON-vegan, I’d make sure the next rotting pizza I put in the compost was EXTRA bacon.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 10:51 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #26.1   non-asshole vegan

      Vegans don’t eat cheese (since we stay away from all animal products) so neither of those options actually works for a vegan.

      Jun 22, 2009 at 4:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #26.2   MAMARILLA2 bang

      You are so right…and slow on the uptake…This observation was made before. Look below.

      Jun 22, 2009 at 4:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #26.3   Kaitlin!

      fortunately, most pizza places are willing to *gasp* hold the cheese if you ask them nicely
      or if you’re feeling particularly dangerous, you could bring in your own vegan cheese, and ask them to put it on for you.

      Jun 22, 2009 at 11:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #27   not a vegan

    Neither of those pizzas are vegan, since vegans don’t eat cheese. You’re thinking of vegetarians. Nice try, though.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 12:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #27.1   Sophietrophy

      Vegans *gasp* are used to making compromises likt this, so don’t be such a twat, Kaitlyn!. You’re not funny. : )

      Also? Bacon is harvested tissue, so technically, it is death. Bacon is death. Not to get too PETA about things.

      Jun 24, 2009 at 3:24 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #27.2   pony girl bang

      death is life.

      Oct 10, 2009 at 12:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #28   Joe

    It’s clear from reading both the initial posts and the responses on this site that a lot of people have no idea what passive-aggressive means. The dictionary definition of P-A is “being, marked by, or displaying behavior characterized by expression of negative feelings, resentment, and aggression IN AN UNASSERTIVE WAY (as through PROCRASTINATION, STUBBORNNESS, AND UNWILLINGNESS TO COMMUNICATE).” (Sorry for the caps, but couldn’t get the bold to work.) So far I haven’t seen a single posting that contains truly passive-aggressive behavior. Plenty of aggressive behavior, yes, and plenty of pointed commentary, yes, but neither of these qualifies as P-A. Rather, they are the complete opposite of P-A, and the behavior the notes often target is the true example of P-A behavior. In fact, southern girl’s post is a perfect example of P-A behavior. She wouldn’t come right out and tell the OP “No, I won’t follow your rules,” but she would definitely let the OP know through her behavior that she wasn’t willing to toe the line.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 12:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #28.1   donkey

      actually, they are considered passive agressive because leaving a note is considered ‘unassertive’, and avoiding direct communication.

      Jun 25, 2009 at 4:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #29   Kai

    Joe- check WTF up top there. Danke Terry!

    Sep 2, 2007 at 12:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #30   Liz

    southern girl: Neither of those pizzas is vegan, since they both have cheese on them and vegans don’t eat dairy. You’re thinking of vegetarians. Nice try, though.

    Joe: http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/wtf

    Sep 2, 2007 at 12:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #31   Beppo

    What’s the sperm thing that The Vegan drew at the top of his or her note?
    The Vegan sounds like the name a really irritating Time Lord.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 12:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #32   Arianna

    Er, the reason the mouse is there is that, while you technically can compost meat and cheese, it takes forever, stinks up the compost, and attracts all manner of mice, raccoons, rats, etc while it rots :/

    Sep 2, 2007 at 4:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #33   Will

    I like it, I like it alot! And I stumbled it… I also like http://www.HadToSay.com because its real time, anyone can use it to send or browse anonymous notes for free, and the note recipient has the option of responding online.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 4:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #34   julie

    #23 Andy: I’m fully aware that this is common practice in journalism. I just brought it up due to the fact that everyone else is reacting to that particular exchange as though it were a submitted (and therefore “true”) photo, and not just an illustration to the article.

    Note comments #4, 5, 12, 27, 31, and pretty much EVERY SINGLE OTHER ONE on this thread.

    Now… what’s this you say about Santa Claus?

    Sep 2, 2007 at 5:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #35   Andy

    #35 julie: No worries. I’m bummed because that’s such a nice response note, though. Wish it was real. *sigh* :)

    ‘Tis funny that the most heated responses are from that note, though. We’re starting to get into compost philosophies and everything. Deep, man. ;)

    Sep 2, 2007 at 5:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #36   Andy

    Oh… and regarding Santa Claus, well, let’s just say that the elves have left him some doozy notes about leaving his, erm, cookies and milk laying around, if you get my drift.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 5:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #37   GVI

    that piss shampoo works wonders with my hair, i have a thick full head of hair =D

    Sep 2, 2007 at 8:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #38   fellow vegan

    awwwwww, i cant believe its not real. that was the funniest thing ive seen all week.

    as a vegan living with two non-vegans, i can certainly relate…….

    Sep 2, 2007 at 8:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #39   GVI

    do u have to deal with donair in your compost also??

    Sep 2, 2007 at 9:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #40   Nanna

    Team Julie is a killjoy.

    Sep 2, 2007 at 11:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #41   GVI

    Yes i have to agree, i say we ban Julie from here the best way we know how.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 1:12 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #42   butterfly


    Bacon est la vie! Vive le bacon!

    lol ;-)

    Sep 3, 2007 at 3:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #43   Andy

    Now, now. Let’s not get hasty regarding Julie. She just didn’t want our respective panties getting bunched up over something which was staged. You know, like the moon landing.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 5:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #44   aliastaken

    Like his mom’s house where he still lives…

    Heh, heh…

    Sep 3, 2007 at 9:09 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #45   Tarn

    From Craniac’s post: “oh, re “donair”, it’s from a turkish word that simply means “turning roast” and it’s like a gyro, I suppose. ”
    Here in the UK it’s usually spelt ‘Doner’ and followed by ‘kebab’. A big lump of marinated formed meat (usually lamb) on an upright turning spit, from which slices are cut. A ‘doner kebab’ is said slices in a split pitta bread with salad. Hot sauce & a pickled chili can be added to taste.
    A kebab is a very popular take-way snack after a night of binge drinking. Kebab shops are often open til the early hours to catch such customers.
    Topic? The more I read stories like those, the more I thank god I can afford to live alone now!
    People suck.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 10:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #45.1   nonentity

      A Donair consists of a fried pita with shredded spiced beef cooked on a spit than covered in Sweet sauce (condensed milk, sugar and vinegar) with sliced tomatoes and onions on top… common in Hallifax.

      Apr 25, 2008 at 10:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #46   leslie

    most backyard composts are meant to exclude meat because it attracts larger animals and becomes unsanitary when it rots. i myself have had to remind people not to put their meaty leftovers in the compost, as i don’t want to have maggots all over my backyard/garden. (meat can be home composted by finely grinding it up and turning the compost daily, although i doubt many people know this and just toss it in)

    Sep 3, 2007 at 10:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #47   janine

    But in Canada, Donair refers to a specific recipe associated with the King Donair pizza chain: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~gpetitpas/Links/Donair.html.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 10:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #48   Dee


    Alright, the compost is for composting old food right? I’m a vegetarian and I’m not a jerk! I think this person just doesn’t know what compost means.

    com·post (kŏm’pōst’) Pronunciation Key
    A mixture of decaying organic matter, as from leaves and manure, used to improve soil structure and provide nutrients.
    A composition; a mixture.

    I believe Donair pizza is organic matter, so stfu goober.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 11:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #49   Mrs L Carrot

    Soyfucker! I LOVE that word… I can’t wait for an opportunity to use it offensively!

    Re compost, here in Blighty we’re like San Fran, paper, meat, bones, veg… so long as it’ll decompose chuck it in.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 11:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #50   Alex

    I live in an area that does not provide a compost service, so we have a spot in our yard we use for compost. Unfortunately we can’t put meat in it because of the smell and the wildlife it attracts. Our neighbours, on the other hand, seem to think that anything goes: meat, kitty litter, dishrags… basically things that smell (a lot!)/aren’t decomposable.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 12:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #51   richard

    ’tis a bad idea to put meat in your compost pile, unless you are hot-composting (where it gets hot enough to kill off the nasty bugs like E.Coli.).

    Sep 3, 2007 at 1:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #52   Livy

    FWIW, Halifax (and most communities in Nova Scotia) have green bin (compost) pick-up every week or every other week.

    I assume the pizza being complained about in this hypothetical situation is sitting under the kitchen sink in the small compost bin, not in the big one that is kept outside. And donair sauce smells *rank* when it starts to rot. Between the sugar and the garlic and the condensed milk… it’s like keeping a dead skunk under your sink.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 4:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #53   Nanna

    As for getting riled up about something staged…that’s all we do here. We get riled up about everything from the notes to the pictures accompanying them. So there! If it’s fake, it’s still entertaining, and that’s all I care about. Stil team Julie is a killjoy.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 5:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #54   claw71

    Hey Joe,

    Before you start in with your pompous BS, read some of the disclaimers on this site under the WTF link. We all know that some of these notes aren’t technically P/A.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 7:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #55   claw71

    It’s true that a lot of vegans are irritating as are recovering alcoholics, reformed smokers and born-again christians. The problem is that some of these extreme lifestyle trends attract self-righteous jerks who love to preach from on high. In this case I don’t know that the vegans were out of line but I think it would have been much more effective to stage a direwct confrontation with this slob and let him know he was outnumbered.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 7:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #56   Jason

    I gotta say it. Maybe it’s mean. But…


    Sep 3, 2007 at 9:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #57   Gadget

    I second team bacon!

    Oh, and “soyfucker” is a classic for this site!!! :)

    Sep 3, 2007 at 9:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #58   claw71

    If you really want to piss off the soyfuckers you can wrap tofu in bacon.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 9:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #59   lauralaiwc

    i too get pissed off at the vegans who assume that 1. everyone who eats meat is an evil person and 2. that somehow because they have chosen to live a lifestlye that is hard to stick with, somehow they are better than the rest of us, and 3. that we must bend over backwards to accomidate their trouble making ways.

    you have your beleifs, fine, and you dont want the rest of the world to cram their views down your anti-meat throat, so stop doing it to us! we dont care if all you are interested in is estrogen-boosting soy, which i think makes most of them so damn grumpy. so just stfu.

    all the vegans i know are fat. candy bars arent vegetables, you know.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 9:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #60   Anna-banana

    I hate to admit it. But, I find myself agreeing a little too much with Claw.

    Scary thought.

    And Joe—You’re dumb.

    It must suck to be a vegan. Missing out on all of that good food. I’ll never give up cheese.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 10:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #60.1   Sophietrophy

      It’s not missing out when you choose not to eat something because you disagree with the practices implemented to gain it. It’s similar to buying organic produce because you don’t want something that has been grown using pesticides. Many vegans who previously enjoyed dairy and other animal derived food products choose to abstain because of the cruel conditions the vast majority of food-industry animals are kept in until they are spent.

      @claw, That doesn’t piss a soyfucker off, what pisses soyfuckers off is when people open their mouths and spout ignorance and intolerance. : )

      Team STFU Joe / I Like Spooky MILF’s name.

      Jun 24, 2009 at 3:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #60.2   Lil

      I agree..but I would like to add that it’s also not “missing out” when you truly dislike the taste, texture, smell and appearance of meat. I do not miss it at all. I am not depriving myself. When I was a kid and used to eat meat, I never really liked it that much to begin with. I always picked at it and thought it was really gross looking. I was a very picky eater, but becoming vegetarian allowed me to try so many other foods I never thought about when I was a meat eater. I eat tons of veggies and exotic produce I would never have tried before. But that is just my story. Everyone has their own reason. I feel very fulfilled and never feel like I am missing out when my friend is chomping on a chicken thigh next to me. It’s like saying a gay man feel deprived of women. That desire is just not there folks. I have nothing against any meat eater, unless they have something against me because of my choice of diet. I mean why should I care what you put in your body? I don’t care and I don’t expect you to waste time ranting about what I put in mine. By the way, I hate soy products, most are very processed and not good for you anyway. Except tempeh, that shiz is good for you!

      Jul 22, 2009 at 3:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #61   spiderflowers

    Okay I have to step in now. I am not a vegan but I am a vegetarian who eats dairy products. Oh, and eggs. I haven’t eaten meat since 1992. But, I cook it for my family. I am not a hypocrite for doing that, nor am I some kind of self inflated gobshite who lords myself over people. We all make choices, people, and we have to live with them and each other. I won’t pick on you for eating a moldy sandwich from the work fridge as long as you don’t steal my tofu stir fry from it. I am not anti meat, I am anti factory farming. I own a poultry farm with over 200 free range chickens, too. I just don’t eat them.

    Last but not least, I am all for Team Dee who said “STFU Goober”. That rocks! I guess that means I am on the Anti-Goober team.

    Sep 3, 2007 at 11:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #62   marla

    [my thoughts on veganism]
    [my thoughts on composting]
    [dictionary definition copied & pasted to prove my point]

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #63   julie

    sorry guys! didn’t mean to be a killjoy…

    Actually, once i thought about it, I realized that these photos would be a perfect opportunity for the editorial staff to air their own roommate grievances. So there’s a good chance that some intern at The Coast has been secretly hoarding these very thoughts about their own vegan housemate–which makes them authentic enough for me.

    How’s that for a compromise?

    No? I’ll keep my trap shut then. =)

    Sep 4, 2007 at 2:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #64   julie

    p.s. thanks for the support, andy. never dreamed I’d be a Team here. Let alone a villainous one, haha

    Sep 4, 2007 at 2:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #65   Anna-banana

    You just redeemed yourself, Julie! In my eyes!

    Sep 4, 2007 at 7:45 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #66   southern girl

    Oops, sorry everyone for confusing “vegans” and vegetarians.


    But maybe the vegan could have ordered the pizzas I suggested without the cheese?

    Sep 4, 2007 at 9:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #67   claw71

    I once made the mistake of mispronouncing vegan. I uttered vay’ gun and was aggressively corrected. That episode really drove home the point that vee-guns are a little too intense for my tastes. I think I would have been better off misprouncing this idiot’s last name. If I had to live with a militant vegan I would probably take up hunting and raise rabbits in my bedroom for food.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 10:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #68   Tosha

    “29. …Like his mom’s house where he still lives…”

    Hahahah. Ah, I love that.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 10:48 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #69   drive-by

    So, let’s see, no actual vegans have posted anything PA in this thread, yet vegans are sanctimonious anorexics, self-righteous, troublemakers, prissy, rambling, protein-deprived, sinister, fat, grumpy and not normal.

    Nice. Tell me again – with a straight face – who’s got the bad attitude? Pot, meet kettle.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 12:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #70   Mishee

    Bacon makes everything all better…

    Sep 4, 2007 at 12:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #71   Nanna

    Okay, okay. Julie is a reformed killjoy.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 12:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #72   Anon 2

    To contribute to a tangent discussion based on a staged photo:

    I’m not a vegan, but a vegetarian.

    I’ve never run into a militant vegan or vegetarian (although, I don’t deny they exist). However, I do run into militant meat eaters ALL THE TIME. Anytime I’m out for dinner with a group of people, there seems to be the one person who decides that it’s their mission to convince me why NOT eating meat is stupid, regardless of how many times I try to change the subject to something non-diet related.

    My favourite thing about these people is that they have to keep reminding you of how much they hate militant vegetarians — although I am not convinced that many of them have actually met militant vegetarians, but instead are working off a stereotype that they’ve heard about and therefore must have dealt with. The entire time, they are doing to me the exact same thing that they claim to hate.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 12:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #73   claw71

    From a purely scientific perspective not eating meat is a little stupid (there are essential fatty acids and proteins that are only conveniently found in meat) but I can appreciate why people don’t want to contribute to the culture of torutre and death that surrounds the consumption of meat in modern times. The Vegan lifestyle can be troublesome because finding nutritional substitutes for meat is a challenge but if that tops your pizza, mp2y.

    That being said, I think we’re getting into a subject of religion. When people turn a choice such as eating meat or not eating meat into a religion it becomes a problem. I don’t socialize with people who are that serious about it. I hate religiots.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #74   Anna-banana

    Militant vegetarians. That’s cool.
    I’m still waiting for someone to liken them to Commies, too.
    I’m not for or against veganism or vegetarianism.

    I can respect & concur with #74′s experiences. Too true.

    There are extremists (SP: extremeists?) on all sides of the meat issue.

    People who think that it’s okay to shove their viewpoint down everyone’s throat sucks.

    Uh-oh. Does that mean I suck, too? I think I just did the same thing!!!

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #75   Mishee

    I can just imagine a “Militant Vegitarian” – he’s got his jungle cammos on, with the boots, and one of those bullet things like Rambo wears but it’s filled with baby carrots, and instead of an AK-47 he’s brandishing a florette of broccoli, and in his knife sheath he is packing a cucumber…

    Watch out for Militant Vegetarians! They gather in the jungle and plan raids to spread their vicious message to the townsfolk surrounding them…!

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #76   Jeff

    Claw: It’s funny because vegan is a made-up word. People were irritated that not-so-disciplined vegetarians (who apparently think meat is evil but not chicken embryos, cow’s milk, or horse cartilage) had co-opted the word, so they came up with a new one.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #76.1   Anne

      Uhm, I know it’s hard for someone as stupid as you to understand this but… eggs are not actually chicken embryos… And plenty of vegetarians don’t eat anything containing gelatine.

      Jun 23, 2009 at 4:54 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #77   drive-by

    It’s absolutely not true that a veg/vegan diet is inherently deficient in anything. Anyone can eat a crap diet, and lots of people do, but plant foods have abundant nutrients to keep humans healthy. What diseases of deficiency do the world’s veg population suffer from? (Insert joke about “personality” or “intelligence” here.) None that I know of. As a 15+ year vegetarian, I check out a-okay at my physical every year.

    As far as religion goes, I can recall when religion was one’s personal, private business but it no longer is, and in that respect, I see claw’s point. But if religion is in essence a set of beliefs that you hold and do your best to live by every day, then call me religious. You could socialize with me ’til the cows come home and I’d never cast the first stone. Team Tolerance!

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #78   li

    you can totally replace meat in your diet with other food stuffs, and it’s not that hard. i’ve been a vegetarian since i was 12 (i’m 22 now), and i am very healthy and active, and don’t get sick often. there are differing opinions on what a meat-free diet will do to one’s body but i know myself and i think i’m a lot healthier than most of my omnivorous friends. i don’t drink milk either (lactose intolerant), but there are many many other ways to get calcium and protein (nuts, seeds, beans, spinach, broccoli, etc).

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #79   linguist

    jeff: every word is made up. where do you think words come from?

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #80   drive-by

    Made-up words? Sweet Jesus, the end is near!

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #81   Nanna

    #77 Mishee: Occasionally, you shine. Loved the picture you painted. xoxo

    Sep 4, 2007 at 1:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #82   Jeff

    of COURSE I know all words are made up, but most languages also have a history going back thousands of years and roots in other languages going back further. I doubt Claw needed to be corrected on mispronouncing a word that’s been around for about 60 years and was created by underfed nutjobs (ooh, now I’m just asking for it!).

    Do people always take this site so seriously?

    Sep 4, 2007 at 2:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #83   GVI

    pssh, yes, alot of the people who visit this site think its about life and death.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 2:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #84   Nanna

    Well, life, death and dirty dishes.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 2:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #85   Canuck

    Just wanted to add some info here that might help those who are still confused on the whole Donair thing. Donairs are available all across Canada-not just at K.O.D.
    See: http://www.thegreatness.com/old/donair.html

    Its not associated with just K.O.D either. In Halifax, NS-K.O.D specialized in donairs (hence the name-King of Donair) but they’ve actually been around a lot longer. I had them in Montreal in the late 60′s, and at a restaurant chain here in Canada called Greco, since the 70′s. K.O.D perfected the donair sauce and has become known for it (its awesome with garlic fingers). I love how KOD claims to have brought Donairs to Canada-they didn’t. Lebanese immigrants brought it to Montreal. 2 men in Bedford, NS brought it from Montreal to Nova Scotia. They claimed to have ‘created’ the donair and since no one refuted the claim-it stood, even though its incorrect. Its a marketing ploy. How many times have you seen “Lowest priced ….around” from everyone carrying the same product-all claiming to be the lowest priced but they all have the exact same price?
    For those posting links to Wikipedia-please remember that Wiki is a public submission ‘dictionary’ and not something put out by experts. The articles are written by people just like you and me.

    Yeah Yeah, Canuck the killjoy….

    Sep 4, 2007 at 2:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #86   Zsa

    Garlic fingers? Totally something the Millitant Vegan would desire.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 3:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #87   claw71

    Canadian Pizza? I suppose the sauce is rich in maple syrup and the toppings are boiled, eh. And it’s got to have that sorry excuse for ham you freaks call “bacon”, eh.

    Just kidding, I love Canada. It’s like a helmet for the States. And how would we travel around the world if we couldn’t pretend to be Canadian?

    Sep 4, 2007 at 3:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #88   Mishee

    claw you are soooo getting me in trouble here by making me laugh! :) Just like I said before, Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party…

    Sep 4, 2007 at 3:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #89   claw71

    I always thought Canada was more like the short bus that picked up all the “special” kids for school in the morning. How else can you explain curling? Or Moosejaw?

    If it is a loft apartment does Anthony Grosso live there?

    You’re killing Anthony Grosso with second hand smoke (from the real bacon).

    Sep 4, 2007 at 3:54 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #90   Mishee

    I don’t think Anthony Grosso can get his O2 tank up the stairs… he would have to have a ground floor space…

    Sep 4, 2007 at 3:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #91   Zsa

    Hey… none of the Donair descriptions above address the issue of the “smelly rat” on the top of the post-it. Is this an implication about the source of the donair meat?

    Sep 4, 2007 at 4:07 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #92   Mishee

    zsa, possibly the rotten donair will attract these smelly rodents to their place, and so she is trying to illustrate the dangers of leaving fo0d in the compacter for too long a time…

    Sep 4, 2007 at 4:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #93   Kelly

    gimme a break with all the vegan-hating. just because someone gives a shit about what happens to animals doesn’t make them obnoxious. it makes you obnoxious for villifying them for being compassionate.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 4:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #94   Tekwar

    Vegan comes from the first and last parts of vegetarian, which comes from vegetable, which comes from the latin vegetabilis or vegetus… so the word does have etymology. The process is called blending, taking parts of several words or two parts of one word and mixing them together: smoke + fog = smog.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 4:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #95   claw71

    Nobody’s hating vegans, just the preachy causeheads who become vegans so they can have something else to scream about.

    I’m not a vegan but I do care about what happens to animals. However the reality of life is that some animals eat other animals and humans are biologically predisposed to eating meat.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 4:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #96   GVI

    Damn right Claw71…TEAM MEAT EATERS!!!!
    Screw all preachy Soyfuckers

    Sep 4, 2007 at 4:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #97   Zsa

    Kelly, I believe he meant “screw all preachy causeheads”. Soyfuckers being the causeheads of choice today. Please dont take offence, we just need someone to hate on in this post and everything else was, well- just not offensive enough!

    Sep 4, 2007 at 5:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #98   Mishee

    I’m with Claw and GVI – there is a reason we are listed at the top of the food chain. It’s not like we are eating bald eagle and giant panda – cows and shit are raised to be fed to us! Dammit people, it’s just not natural! But whatever your choice is, it’s yours to make – as for me, give me a huge hunk of meat and some form of potatoes and I am a happy camper!

    Sep 4, 2007 at 5:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #99   Mishee

    oh yeah, and PS: Bacon is life.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 5:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #100   claw71

    I thought Vegans were members of the Suzanne Vega fan club. I guess it’s an easy mistake to make given that both groups contain way too many flat chested women with hairy arm pits.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 7:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #101   Anna-banana

    Bacon is fatty & nasty. Blech!!!!

    Long live turkey sausage!

    Sep 4, 2007 at 7:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #102   Juliet

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Take that, soyfucker! Hahahahahahahahaha! I’m getting teary, the notes are that good! Thank you (terry)!

    Sep 4, 2007 at 11:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #103   BoggyWoggy

    Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.
    Look at it, guys!
    Generated by a wanna-be.

    Sep 4, 2007 at 11:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #104   Jeff

    Claw. You just made my week.

    And I agree with the sentiment here, I used to be really great friends with a vegan girl and would regularly find veggy places with her, because she didn’t expect it or grumble when we went to places that WEREN’T as vegan-friendly. She understood it was her choice.

    And I agree with what Claw said earlier. Meat TASTES good because it’s good FOR us. Dirt tastes BAD because it’s bad FOR us. The tongue is a very highly evolved piece of equipment and knows what your body needs. Any vegan who says humans eating meat is “not natural” (and I have heard this argument before, not just the cruelty argument) need only watch a lion stalk its prey to see the point. Animals which are omnivores or carnivores eat other animals. Humans are animals. Humans are omnivores.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 8:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #105   Tekwar

  • #106   Anna-banana

    Claw, you rock my world, again.

    Love the Vega fan club idea & their physical description.

    But, don’t exclude the Soyfuckers. They like Suzanne Vega, too!

    Thank you, Terry. (That’s almost like saying a prayer, now. Like saying AMEN at grace before dinner.)

    Sep 5, 2007 at 8:59 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #107   jessica

    i agree, the vegan is out of line here, but jesus! PIZZA IN THE COMPOSTER?? kill me.

    soyfucker… glorious.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 10:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #108   claw71

    It’s important to note that vegans are a smelly lot. Whoever thinks skinny people don’t fart needs to hang around with the soy boys and garbanzo girls for a few days. Gassy bastards.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 11:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #109   Mishee

    claw you are just too much! are you for real? and anna, I totally agree, it’s like something I say all the time now. one day there will be so many PAN.com fans that we will meet out in the real world and know each other by these little sayings… your waiter asks how your food is, and you say “delicious” and he will follow up with “was it FUCKING delicious?” or you are at the grocery store, and you tell your cashier “Thank You” and she comes back with “no, Thank YOU, Terry!” LOL! I can see it now!!

    Sep 5, 2007 at 11:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #110   Jeff

    Tekwar: Humans also have opposable thumbs and the power of cognizant thought. We have a lot in common with many animals and a lot of things that set us apart from many animals. All I know is when I smell a steak cooking, my mouth waters. That’s a biological sign developed through millenia of evolution (or a snap of God’s fingers for fundamentalists) that that steak is good and nutritious for me and I should eat it. When I smell a fresh cut apple, I also want to eat it. Omnivore.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 11:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #111   claw71

    Interestingly enough when I smell tofu cooking my mouth doesn’t water. The reality is that meat is a more nutient (fat, protein and b-vitamins) dense food source which makes it more desireable. The vegan diet is a learned pattern of behavior that defies our biological programming. That doesn’t make it wrong, just unnatural. I respect the choice but don’t tell me I’m an herbivore when I know better. Meat good. It’s that simple.

    I’m confused because my mouth waters when I see Salma Hayek. That’s not so simple.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 11:46 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #112   claw71

    And Jeff, you are right about the tongue being highly evolved and if Salma Hayek would only return my calls I would show her how specialised mine is.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 11:48 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #113   Jeff

    Exactly. I don’t take vitamin supplements. I eat a well-rounded diet and exercise regularly. Most vegans I know have to take a supplement, especially for things like iron and protein (and no, soy protein is not the same as meat protein). Claw is exactly right, it’s learned behavior. No one told the cavemen to eat meat. It probably smelled good to them. That’s biology. That’s evolution. Meat tastes good so I eat it. Lions feel the same way. So do sharks. It’s natural.

    And Claw, once your brain catches up with your tongue maybe Ms. Hayek will give you a call ;)

    Sep 5, 2007 at 11:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #114   Kelly

    claw, in response to your response to my comment – are humans also biologically predisposed to factory farming those animals and their products in absolutely abhorrent conditions? if rape racks to impregnate cows to get them to produce more milk, and battery cages so small that chickens can’t move even enough to spread a single wing are both natural, and have existed since humans began eating meat and animal products, please let me know, because i wasn’t aware.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 12:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #115   Mishee

    ooooh, Kelly, dem ders fightin’ werds… now Kelly just HAD (yay! italics!) to go and pull the cruelty card… I’m just gonna sit back and see how this all plays out!

    Sep 5, 2007 at 12:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #116   Jeff

    What about natural farming then? Consumers do have a choice. Herds of predators surround and ambush their prey in very calculated, cruel ways as well. Is this wrong?

    You’re assuming this is the way all meat is processed, which is simply incorrect.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 12:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #117   claw71


    I certainly do take issue with the farming practices many of the corporate suppliers utilizes but inhumane practices do not necessarily warrant a vegan diet. The idea that I shouldn’t eat meat because it is cruel is just, well, stupid. And what about those hydroponic tomatoes? They never get to frolic in the garden with the peas and the cantaloupes. Vegans have blood (well, juice) on their hands too.

    There are free range alternatives out there and I opt for them. It’s my belief that free-range, organic meat is healthier so I spend more for it.

    For the record, I worked on a dairy farm and they don’t use rape racks to produce more milk. They utilize hormone packs to stimulate consistent lactation. I think rape racks are used in the beef industry to rapidly increase herd sizes. That doesn’t make them right but if somebody strapped Salma Hayek into one…

    Sep 5, 2007 at 12:47 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #118   Kelly

    I’m not assuming that all meat is produced that way, and consumers certainly do have a choice at the supermarket. But have you ever eaten at a restaurant, or especially a fast-food joint? Is their meat free-range? How do you justify that by saying that it’s natural? I was just saying that the whole “it’s natural” argument is complete BS. If you eat meat because you like it, and your enjoyment is more important to you than the suffering of animals, or if you need to eat it because of health reasons, then fine. Just don’t say that it’s natural, because the way that almost all meat and other animal products are produced in this country is not.

    And boy, jokes about raping women sure are hilarious! Did you tell that one to your mom? I bet she’d love it.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 1:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #119   Kelly

    Oh, and by the way, “free-range” basically means jack shit. A quick internet search about free-range meat will reveal the following:

    Companies want consumers to believe that products labeled “free-range” or “free-roaming” are derived from animals who spent their short lives outdoors, enjoying sunshine, fresh air, and the company of other animals. Labels—other than “organic”—on egg cartons are not subject to any government regulations, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) does not regulate “free-range” or “free-roaming” claims for beef products.(2)

    The USDA requires that “free-range” animals have access to outdoor areas, but there is no provision for how long they must spend or how much room they must have outside. The Associated Press reported that the USDA’s regulations don’t “require the birds to actually spend time outdoors, only to have access.”(3) Even if a farmer opened the door to a coop with thousands of birds inside and then closed it before any chickens went outside, he would still be able to use the free-range label.(4)

    Sep 5, 2007 at 1:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #120   Mishee

    whoa Kelly, I think you are getting a bit too serious for this website…

    BTW, doesn’t everyone just love my emphasizing? I sure do!!

    Sep 5, 2007 at 1:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #121   Kelly

    yeah, i didn’t intend to get into a whole debate about it, but someone responds to my comment, i respond to theirs, etc. and then we’re completely off-topic. it’s especially hard to avoid responding when someone’s post is factually incorrect.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 1:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #122   claw71

    Kelly you’re confusing the term “cage free” with “free range”. Granted both methods could use a little more regulation but there are private firms that certify products as free range and specify their standards. But that doesn’t matter, does it?

    When I do eat fast food I leave the carton open and unattneded for at least three minutes thus giving the Big Mac plenty of time to make a break for it. I hope that makes you feel better.

    I guess nothing is good enough but if I follow your lead and stop eating meat would I be a cranky-pants too? Meat make me happy. And a dynamo in bed.

    I think we have demonstrated the whole problem with causeheads. Thanks for the lesson in sanctimony, Kelly. Now run along to the bath room before that hummus sandwich exits the back door for an encore.

    For the record, those cows are asking for it and the chickens don’t deserve a recess. And I wasn’t joking about raping Salma Hayek, I was implying consent on her part.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 1:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #123   GVI

    Mmmm that raped beef was fucking delicious.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 2:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #124   snowy

    people’s mouths water for all kinds of things that are bad for them, so that theory does not make an ounce of sense. none of the junky processed foods people crave are a product of evolution, they are a product of learned behaviour (including processed meat!).

    Sep 5, 2007 at 2:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #125   Skillsaw P. Taggert, Jr.

    There’s only one problem with that Post-It: BACON IS A VEGETABLE.

    Sep 5, 2007 at 4:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #126   snowy

    bacon is PEOPLE! ahhhhhhhh!

    Sep 5, 2007 at 4:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #127   Mishee

    Are you saying that bacon is a white man on four legs?

    Sep 5, 2007 at 5:01 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #128   Anna-banana

    #112- Mishee—-We’ll know each other when we are out in public with our “Thank you, Terry” t-shirts!!!!

    And the general public will be going, “Who the f**k is Terry?”

    Sep 5, 2007 at 6:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #129   Anna-banana

    #120-Claw….the picture of tomatos frolicing with the peas and cantalopes is killing me!!!

    I’m laughing and I can’t get it out of my mind!

    Help me, Selma!

    Sep 5, 2007 at 6:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #130   Mishee

    Anna, I don’t know about you but I am definitely holding out until they find a font with the backwards “Y” – that’s like the funniest part about the damn saying anyways!

    Sep 5, 2007 at 6:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #131   Zsa

    you are totally going to make me play with snagit today!

    Sep 5, 2007 at 6:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #132   GVI

    huh??? *sits perplexed*

    Sep 5, 2007 at 7:01 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #133   Mishee

    what is snagit?

    Sep 5, 2007 at 7:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #134   GVI

    i googled it and its a screen capture and editing software

    Sep 5, 2007 at 8:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #135   Nanna

    I am cracking up at frolicking tomatoes and a head start for Claw’s Big Mac! The image it evokes is fucking delicious! Thanks, Terry!

    Yes, take snagit, take a screen capture, and take the thing to a t-shirt sil screening shop. They can do that sort of thing. Awesome idea!

    Sep 5, 2007 at 9:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #136   Anna-banana

    Mishee…you’re my girl!

    Sep 5, 2007 at 9:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #137   claw71

    I wish somebody would Google my snagit. Joobs, help a brother out.

    Sep 6, 2007 at 12:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #138   joobs

    Oh, gees, claw. Gimme a minute, okay?

    Does anyone seriously think there’s meat in a Big Mac? The last time I had one, about 10 years ago, I practically had to search for the supposed all-beef patties. And if it’s beef, it’s mighty vegetably looking.

    I feel bad for carrots. They are ripped up in their prime by their hair. And I see bags of baby carrots in the store all the time. BABY CARROTS. Doesn’t anyone think of the childern?

    Okay, claw. Let’s go. But I can’t think of you as my brother. That would be too oogie.

    Sep 7, 2007 at 12:20 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #139   Russ

    Comment for Joe and all the other overthinkers. How crafty to pick apart somones vocabulary and overall thought process, only to introduce even more overly excessive words. Joe -it’s a freaking funny ass note. So sorry it doesn’t meet your standards-as far as being actually “correct” Now all of you get back to work!

    Sep 7, 2007 at 6:24 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #140   Jeff

    Snowy: it’s not learned, it’s a chemical reaction. There’s a certain chemical compund in every food that your nose, tastebuds, and therefore brain responds to, making you want to eat it. Companies that make processed foods take advantage of this by duplicating said chemical compound, thereby fooling your brain.

    Learned behavior has nothing on evolution. You can’t change eons of evolution in 10 years of trying to teach a kid what to eat. The fact that we don’t eat cats is, yes, a societal thing. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t taste good ;)

    Sep 7, 2007 at 2:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #141   claw71


    You and I are on the same page, or plate.

    It’s disturbing to me that people want to deny basic scientific fact. Yes, I wrote fact. This nonsense about eating meat being a learned response is what people call pseudo science. It sounds great in a lecture and reads wonderfully on a paper but at the end of the day it is fabricated mumbo jumbo designed to promote a social cause. That’s propaganda.

    That doesn’t mean that a meat-free diet is bad but don’t insult my intelligence and tell me that humans are herbivores. Basic biology proves that notion false. So does antropology.

    Humans have been eating meat since humans began eating. We’ve supplmented that with other things but our very society has developed around supporting the hunt. We went from throwing rocks at birds and stabbing fish with spears to shooting arrows at all sorts of prey. Eventually we learned to domesticate animals and harvest them for food.

    I respect how people feel about farming and if you want to make a case for cruelty I’ll discuss it with you but when you sit there and lie to me about scientific fact you aren’t worth the time of day. And that’s why I don’t like most vegans.

    Sep 7, 2007 at 2:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #142   Jeff

    ^exactly! Pseudo-science is the perfect word for it. I have nothing against vegans. It’s the ones who try to tell me my nature is evil and their choice is right. Same with religious zealots. Do what you want, I don’t give a crap, but don’t tell me what I can and can’t do. This is America, goddamnit! (though from your grammar (or is it grammour?) I think you’re from across the pond.)

    Sep 7, 2007 at 2:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #143   claw71

    Nope, I’m from the states. I just have a really prissy way of conveying my thoughts.

    What’s funny is that I have seen the children of vegans, raised on the meat-free diet no less, throw tantrums about wanting to eat meat. We have a community market in Columbus that attracts a good mix of people and you’ll see these beatnik types struggling to keep their children from running out of the vegan bistro to the guy selling pulled pork.

    Sep 7, 2007 at 3:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #144   Mishee

    and everyone just don’t forget that bacon is life… i have a BLT most days for lunch, and I never tire of it… yum!

    Sep 7, 2007 at 3:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #145   Jeff

    But that’s just them doing what the evil TV tells them to do. Not because it smells good.

    Ah well, we’ll never convince anyone. I’ve found that the amount of shit one is full of is in direct proportion to how wrong his or her point of view is.

    Sep 7, 2007 at 3:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #146   Mishee

    Jeff… I’m sorry your post was just begging for this!


    Sep 7, 2007 at 3:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #147   Jeff

    I don’t get it

    Sep 7, 2007 at 3:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #148   Misheeâ„¢

    click here and you will understand…


    Sep 7, 2007 at 3:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #149   Jeff


    So am I now supposed to say “That shit was fucking delicious”?

    Sep 7, 2007 at 3:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #150   Megan

    “PS BACON IS LIFE” is my new “may the sanctity of the sink prevail!”

    Sep 9, 2007 at 12:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #151   Joe

    “Hey Joe,

    Before you start in with your pompous BS, read some of the disclaimers on this site under the WTF link. We all know that some of these notes aren’t technically P/A.”

    Wow. Asshole much, Claw? Here’s a hint — when I’ve already posted my comments, it’s a little late to put up a post saying “before you start…” And if “pompous” means “he who has more than a passing acquaintance with the dictionary and knows what words mean,” then sign me up.

    That said, thanks to those who pointed out that the owners of this site already know most of the notes have nothing to do with P/A. I originally followed the link expecting to find true P/A notes, as that kind of behavior fascinates me. Out-and-out aggression I can find anywhere (see Claw, above).

    Sep 9, 2007 at 1:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #152   jeff

    Understandable, but I still stand by the fact that merely leaving a note automatically makes you passive aggressive. You’re being confrontational, pugnacious, or aggressive in an indirect, confrontation-avoiding, or passive way. And no, I don’t agree that “maybe you never see your roommate.” No one works or goes out that much.

    Therefore, any note on this blog is, IMHO, passive-aggressive by the vary fact that it’s a note!

    Sep 9, 2007 at 1:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #153   Joe

    If that was the only way the roommates communicated, I would agree with you. But many of these notes refer to repeated prior conversations with the offender which have been ignored.

    Sep 9, 2007 at 1:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #154   jeff

    Fair enough

    Sep 9, 2007 at 1:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #155   claw71


    I’ve got a binky with your name on it. It may or may not have been up my ass.

    Sep 10, 2007 at 9:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #156   Joe

    I’m not surprised you can’t remember.

    Sep 10, 2007 at 10:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #157   claw71 bang

    I am, Joe. I usually try to keep track of those things. It’s rough but I’m usually on top of it. There’s lots of things up there so I had to dig around for that binky which means I had to put everything else back. Then I’m sitting there with two binkies on the table, one for you and the other for my ugly little nephew. I tried to sniff test them but frankly my nephew has a pretty rotten smelling mouth so I closed my eyes and picked one. I put a tag with ‘Joe’ on one of them. I don’t know if it’s the right one or not.

    The good news is that I found a mint condition Honus Wagner card in the process. I also found the keys to my 1986 Yugo but I junked that car after I ran over that girl scout four years ago. That car was a real trip with the brake pedal behind the gas pedal.

    Sep 10, 2007 at 3:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #158   Joe

    LOL Good one.

    Sep 10, 2007 at 3:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #159   Tamara

    well i resent all the anti-vegan remarks. my roomy is a vegan and she never even says anything about my meat eating habits….well as long use her non meat pans for meat

    but she is in love with the term soyfucker, and refuses to answer to anything but soyfucker


    Nov 12, 2007 at 2:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #160   box

    i do not resent all the anti-vegan comments.

    Nov 12, 2007 at 2:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #161   Cheryl

    “When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores. ”

    William C. Roberts, M.D., editor, American Journal of Cardiology

    This chart is simple to read:

    From “The Comparative Anatomy of Eating”, by Milton R. Mills, MD

    Facial Muscles
    CARNIVORE: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
    HERBIVORE: Well-developed
    OMNIVORE: Reduced
    HUMAN: Well-developed

    Jaw Type
    CARNIVORE: Angle not expanded
    HERBIVORE: Expanded angle
    OMNIVORE: Angle not expanded
    HUMAN: Expanded angle

    Jaw Joint Location
    CARNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
    HERBIVORE: Above the plane of the molars
    OMNIVORE: On same plane as molar teeth
    HUMAN: Above the plane of the molars

    Jaw Motion
    CARNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
    HERBIVORE: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
    OMNIVORE: Shearing; minimal side-to-side
    HUMAN: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back

    Major Jaw Muscles
    CARNIVORE: Temporalis
    HERBIVORE: Masseter and pterygoids
    OMNIVORE: Temporalis
    HUMAN: Masseter and pterygoids

    Mouth Opening vs. Head Size
    CARNIVORE: Large
    HERBIVORE: Small
    OMNIVORE: Large
    HUMAN: Small

    Teeth: Incisors
    CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
    HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
    OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
    HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

    Teeth: Canines
    CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
    HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
    OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
    HUMAN: Short and blunted

    Teeth: Molars
    CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
    HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
    OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
    HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

    CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
    HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
    OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
    HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary
    CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
    HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
    OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
    HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

    Stomach Type
    CARNIVORE: Simple
    HERBIVORE: Simple or multiple chambers
    OMNIVORE: Simple
    HUMAN: Simple

    Stomach Acidity
    CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
    HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
    OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
    HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

    Stomach Capacity
    CARNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
    HERBIVORE: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
    OMNIVORE: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
    HUMAN: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract

    Length of Small Intestine
    CARNIVORE: 3 to 6 times body length
    HERBIVORE: 10 to more than 12 times body length
    OMNIVORE: 4 to 6 times body length
    HUMAN: 10 to 11 times body length

    CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
    HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
    OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
    HUMAN: Long, sacculated

    CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
    HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
    OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
    HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

    CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
    HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
    OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
    HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine

    CARNIVORE: Sharp claws
    HERBIVORE: Flattened nails or blunt hooves
    OMNIVORE: Sharp claws
    HUMAN: Flattened nails

    Jan 10, 2008 at 1:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #161.1   WanderingPenguin bang


      Is it over yet?

      It’s so nice that you’ve learned cutting-and-pasting… now try some simple HTML hot-link coding. It’s so much more elegant to direct people to a site where they can or cannot read that essay at their whims. A triple-digit-line post just makes people ignore you. I know I did. :)

      Jan 10, 2008 at 2:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #161.2   Barky the dog

      Carnivore: Will lick own ass
      Herbivore: Can’t lick own ass
      Omnivore: Will lick own ass
      Human: Will lick anyone’s ass if asked nicely

      Nov 13, 2008 at 1:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #162   Cheryl


    In my town they ran an article about the new plan in LA to improve the water system so that everyone can eat everyone else’s shit.

    Now that it has come to that, I thought you might like another taste of my paste:)

    Why do we have a water crisis?

    Copied from: http://www.madcowboy.com/01_FactsENV.000.html


    “Water required to produce one pound of U.S. beef, according to the national Cattlemens’ Beef Association: 441 gallons” (“Myths and Facts About Beef Production: Water Use,” National Cattlemen’s Beef Association) []

    “Water required to produce one pound of U.S.beef: 2,500 gallons” (per Dr. George Borgstrom, Chairman of Food Science and Human Nutrition Dept of College of Agriculture and Natural Resources, Michigan State University, “Impacts on Demand for and Quality of land and Water,” Presentation to the 1981 Annual Meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science) []

    “Water required to produce 1 pound of California beef: 2,464 gallons” (“Water Inputs in California Food Production,” Water Education Foundation, Sacramento, CA ) []

    “Water required to produce one pound (lb.) of California foods:

    • 1 lb. lettuce: 23 gallons
    • 1 lb. tomatoes: 24 gallons
    • 1 lb. wheat: 25 gallons
    • 1 lb. carrots: 33 gallons
    • 1 lb. apples: 49 gallons
    • 1 lb. chicken: 815 gallons
    • 1 lb. pork: 1,630 gallons
    • 1 lb. beef: 5,214 gallons

    (according to Soil and Water specialists, Univ. of Calif. Agricultural Extension, working with livestock farm advisors: Schulbach, Herb , et. al., in Soil and Water, No. 38, Fall 1978) []

    “In California, the single biggest consumer of water is not Los Angeles. It is not the oil and chemicals or defense industries. Nor is it the fields of grapes and tomatoes. It is irrigated pasture: grass grown in a near-desert climate for cows… The West’s water crisis — and many of its environmental problems as well — can be summed up, implausible as this may seem, in a single word: livestock.” (“Cadillac Desert”, by Marc Reisner) []

    “Nearly half the water consumed in this country is used for livestock, mostly cattle.” (Audubon Magazine, Dec. 1999) []

    “Irrigation to grow food for livestock, including hay, corn, sorghum, and pasture, uses 50 out of every 100 gallons of water consumed in the United States.” (Frances Moore Lappe, Diet for a Small Planet, 20th Anniversary Edition, Ballantine Books, New York, 1991, pg. 76) []

    “Only within the last half-century have we acquired the ability to use powerful diesel and electric pumps to empty aquifer in a matter of decades… Around the world, as more water is diverted to raising (cattle), pigs and chickens, instead of producing crops for direct consumption, millions of wells are going dry. India, china, North Africa, and the United States are all running freshwater deficits, pumping more from their aquifers than rain can replenish.” (Ayres, Ed, “will We Still Eat Meat? Maybe not, if we wake up to what the mass production of animal flesh is doing to our health, and the planet’s,” Time, Nov. 8, 1999) []

    “The amount of water that goes into a 1,000 pound steer would float a (Naval) destroyer.” (“The Browning of America,” Newsweek, Feb. 22, 1981, pg. 26) []

    So we can add not eating our neighbor’s shit as just one more reason to respect our herbivore design…

    How’s the paste now?

    Jan 11, 2008 at 8:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #163   Martha

    I get so p’o'd at my roomie makes me homicidal because she’s stupid and it’s self-inflicted. She lies to me and thinks I don’t know. She uses windex on everything in my house including wood furniture, is nosy, and takes credit for owning my house–yeah that’s right–she rents; I own, and all my neighbors and friends thinks she took ME in out . So when she does not abide by my wishes (I’m talking my repeatedly asking her not to do stupid shit), I take whatever weapon I have at my disposal to her pride and joy–her car. I have scratched it, poked it with an ice pick and picked holes in the seats. She doesn’t know, but I have to admit that it relaxes me when I know I’m getting back at her. I know that is sick, but I feel as though I don’t have a choice.

    Aug 12, 2008 at 2:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #164   Another Vegan

    The vegan didn’t want the donair pizza in the composter not because they were vegan, but because animal products should never be composted – they may contain parasites/diseases that will survive the composting process and cause problems for the plants meant to be fertilized, possibly even getting passed on to a person who may eat the raw veg later. Only fruit, veg, bread and cut flowers/garden trimmings should be composted.

    Sorry for the lack of snark.

    Another Vegan

    Feb 16, 2009 at 7:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #164.1   cx420ns

      around here they “hot compost” which supposedly breaks it down fast enough. i still don’t like it, it still smells like shit. they try to give it away to gardeners but no one takes it.

      if you think meat is bad some stupid shits throw used diapers, dog shit, etc in the green bins (kitty litter is allowed for some reason)

      oh, and if you don’t have your composter out for the garbage guy after so long you get fined for not composting. uhh…. rotting nazis anyone?

      Mar 5, 2009 at 4:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #165   Lauren

    I know this is a late comment and all, but I just wanted to say a thing or two to the rude people on this board: (& just so you know, I’m not being passive-aggressive or even plain aggressive by writing this on the boards; I would say this to your faces if I could.)

    1. The first humans who began eating meat did not do so because the smell of cooked meat enticed them to hunt animals. Our insides are not designed to digest raw meat (we get very sick that way, don’t we?), and so we must cook it in order to ingest it. No carnivorous or omnivorous animal on the planet does this exact same thing, because their bodies are designed to digest raw meat. They do not have ovens, grills, fires, stoves, etc. in which to cook their meat. So the idea that your mouth salivates when you smell cooked meat is an irrelevant argument.

    2. The people who started getting up in arms, being rude, mean-spirited, and downright nasty were not, in fact, any vegans, but meat-eaters who found it necessary to talk about how “stupid” it is to not eat meat. Meat-eaters said this all while stating that they don’t like it when militant vegans shove their ideas down meat-eaters’ throats.


    I fully support anyone’s decision to eat meat, and also anyone’s decision to refrain from all or some animal products.

    I’m simply taking offense to the way in which everyone has been presenting their arguments. There are more constructive and effective ways to have a debate. Name-calling and ridiculing are not any such ways.

    Jun 20, 2009 at 5:48 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #165.1   MAMARILLA2 bang

      Oh, its never too late to preach to heathen masses…The other major religions do it all the time…Can I get a witness!

      Jun 20, 2009 at 11:45 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #166   soyf*ckers anonymous

    [...] related: p.s. bacon is life [...]

    Jun 22, 2009 at 3:54 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #167   DogEatDog

    Eating meat is not natural, it only came about after the apocalytic end to the last ice age between 17,000 – 10,000 years ago.

    All ancient scriptures talk of a golden age when people had no need of slaughtering for food and lived at one with nature and each other.

    In summary eating meat is illogical especially to those who preach green credentials.

    Jun 23, 2009 at 5:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #168   Science!!!

    Regarding this whole “eating meat is not natural for humans” notion, I thought I’d chime in with some evolutionary biology. One of the prevailing hypotheses these days is that an increase in meat consumption is what allowed our evolutionary ancestors to develop larger brains relative to their body size, leading to the large and complex brains that humans have today. You see, meat is much more efficient a source of nutrition than vegetable matter, allowing the animal eating it to take in more energy in less time, and have more resources to devote to brain development, which is incredibly energy-expensive. Earlier in our evolutionary development, our primate ancestors may have been frugivorous or herbivorous, but there was a definite shift somewhere along the line toward meat consumption, which fueled hominid brain development.

    If our evolutionary forbearers hadn’t eaten meat, it’s very likely that our species wouldn’t have the intellectual capacity to think about whether or not we should continue to eat meat. I have no problem with anyone’s personal choice to avoid meat, but the science doesn’t support the claim that eating meat is somehow foreign to the human species.

    Jun 24, 2009 at 2:59 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #169   Maddy

    I’m a vegetarian, and have some vegan tendencies…
    and I agree with some of the previous posts–

    Most of the time, the vegans we hear from are the self righeous bitchy ones that want us to know we are committing heinous sins for eating flesh.

    The only time I get aggressive and bitchy to meat eaters is when they act like vegetarians make it all up just so that they CAN act self righteous.
    “Oh come on, they don’t actually do that in factories!”

    Jul 4, 2009 at 10:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #170   Maddy

    Didnt’t quite finish that thought there.
    Proud meat eaters–and be proud, thats what you believe in–love to say stuff like that to me.
    They love to say that vegetarians are just WRONG. They obviously have the wrong facts/make crap up/are just lying to seem better than you.
    I mean…obviously!
    That’s when I act annoying. I don’t get mad when my friends eat meat. As long as you respect my decision to abstain from eating meat, then I will respect yours to continue to eat meat.

    Jul 4, 2009 at 10:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #171   sarah

    correct link

    Jul 15, 2009 at 11:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #172   edc

    the guy from the second story almost certainly found out about the piss in the shampoo, and masturbated into the other person’s bottle.

    Aug 19, 2009 at 5:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #173   MrDifficult

    Humans can most certainly eat raw meat, and frequently do. What could make you potentially sick is the bacteria and such that can flourish in the process of butchering, handling, and storing. tar tar? some sushi? pate? The cooking process serves to kill these bacteria, not to make things more digestible. You know whats really good for you? MODERATION in all things.

    Sep 6, 2009 at 3:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #174   another wacky round of of “steal the bacon”

    [...] p.s. bacon is life extra credit: “bacon bandit [...]

    Sep 19, 2009 at 7:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #175   everyday

    just chiming in to say that i’m a vegan, and i don’t give a rats ass what you eat.

    but saying that we evolved from the australopithecus or whomever our fore bearer was due to eating meat (most likely it was marrow scavenged from carcasses!) is a tenuous argument at best for continuing to eat meat. why do something just because an ancient ancestor did, even if it did serve our evolution? shall i walk with a cane because my grandpa did? should i speak german because my great grandmother did? should i shoot the security guards off of coal trains because my great uncle did?

    that said, it ain’t my business to tell anyone else what to do.

    Oct 3, 2009 at 9:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up


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