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March 10th, 2008 · 275 comments

Marc in San Francisco spotted this at a restaurant in the Haight called All You Knead (have fun with those puns, kids). I can certainly empathize, but after reading some of the reviews…well, maybe there’s a reason the tips aren’t so great.

Attention foreign travelers...a quick guide to the wacky American custom of tipping

related: A friendly tip from your waitress

FILED UNDER: "helpful" advice · a little patronizing · Francais · restaurant · San Francisco · tipping

275 responses so far ↓

  • #1   Can't believe it,

    I always go for 20% in the hopes of the next patron getting better service because of a better tip. People really need a guide for this?!?!

    Mar 10, 2008 at 5:25 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   E

      Of course people need a guide for this. In many other countries service is included and people tip 5 to 10% (if at all) in appreciation of good service. People from those countries may not know that in the US tipping 10% is stiffing the waiter/waitress, rather than being generous.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 10:44 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

    • #1.2   Nicolas

      This is very uncommon to leave a tip in France. That’s why our waiters love you americans so much :p

      Mar 11, 2008 at 8:04 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #1.3   Open English

      kind of like paying it forward? good concept, I wish everyone was that considerate

      Mar 12, 2008 at 4:38 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #1.4   Strangelove

      Tipping is uncommon in countries where everything is included in the price you pay. It’s logical.

      Apr 6, 2008 at 5:26 am   rating: 19  small thumbs up

  • #2   Uncle Hunty

    Wow, we give shit service and still expect 10 percent?

    We lucky customers aren’t worthy to be served by such gods of the plate transportation industry.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 5:27 pm   rating: 33  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   raiseyourglass

      The sign says-
      Less than 10% is shit depending on the average bill.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 7:15 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #2.2   raiseyourglass

      Weird it tried to post 2x sorry…

      Mar 10, 2008 at 7:15 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #2.3   long time waiter

      Hey Uncle! 10% or less is what the waiter has to claim on their sales. therefore if you leave nothing you are actually costing your waiter money. Think about that next time you go out to eat cheapskate!

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:12 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #2.4   RP

      It is impossible to “cost the waiter money”. Your employer is required by law to bring your pay up to the normal minimum wage when tips fail to make up for the lower base pay.

      Any waitstaff that’s making less than the normal minimum wage because their employer isn’t making that adjustment needs to make a complaint to the proper authorities because that is against the law.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 11:02 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #2.5   lilol

      Yeah that doesn’t work, most places would rather see you quit than pay you more hourly. It’s not like servers have a union they can report problems to.
      Same goes for if a table walks out on their bill, the server is responsible for paying for their customers’ dine and dash.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 3:14 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #2.6   kate

      Are Americans being tricked into waiting tables? The crappy hourly wage thing is part of the deal; if you would rather have a job making steady money at a slightly higher hourly rate without the motivation of tips, quit bitching and get out of the service industry.

      People doing hard manual labor don’t get extra cash for kissing ass or whistling while they work. Be grateful that you do and get over yourself.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 3:50 pm   rating: 32  small thumbs up

    • #2.7   Tanya

      plate transportation?

      Let’s not forget connecting with the guests, making the experience enjoyable, making sure there are no allergies and taking special time to read each person, as if they are the only table being served.

      When really you can have more than 5 tables at once, glassware to take to the bar, food and drinks to be run, garbages to be changed, cutlery to be polished and rolled, and everything else it takes to keep the building running.

      We get low wage because the GOVERNMENT expects you to tip. 10% is what we have to claim on our taxes. We end up losing money out of our own pockets if people don’t tip. Imagine that! PAYING to serve cheap assholes who waste your time and table for upwards of 2 hours, all the while making demands and acting as if their refill diet coke is the most pressing issue in the world.

      Server =/= servant.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 10:07 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #2.8   RP

      When I said “proper authorities” I was thinking more along the lines of The Department of Labor or whatever government entity goes after businesses for breaking the law. However, forming a union isn’t a bad idea if you think it will help get these issues resolved.

      Mar 13, 2008 at 12:45 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #2.9   angela

      “Think about that next time you go out to eat cheapskate!”

      How about you think about the lousy tips before you CHOOSE TO WORK IN A RESTAURANT.

      “It’s not like servers have a union they can report problems to.”

      There are labor laws. It’s not like if you don’t work in a union you are screwed. Don’t be a dumbass, look up the laws. They are there for your protection. Don’t be lazy, file a report.

      “Let’s not forget connecting with the guests, making the experience enjoyable, making sure there are no allergies and taking special time to read each person, as if they are the only table being served.”

      In a perfect world, I don’t even realize I have a waiter. No talking or bullshit smalltalk or trying to ask me a question when I have a mouth full of food or I’m deep in conversation. If at the end of my meal, everything went smoothly and my courses progressed seamlessly and on time and my glass was never empty, then yes, you deserve a big fat tip.

      Mar 14, 2008 at 3:10 pm   rating: 38  small thumbs up

    • #2.10   ghrelin

      hey angela. i was gonna try and exercise some “choice” by trying for a personal assistance job with paris hilton. but are you hiring? you are so much more the real deal! and by real deal i mean ignorant privilege.

      seriously though, are you in marketing or something? cuz clearly you sport a world view that is excellent for filtering out reality.

      “labour laws.” em. ..yeah. they are sooo good for enabling income levels way below the poverty line! and that’s what i’d like to call a choice contingent scenario! keep it really angie, keep it real.

      Mar 27, 2008 at 10:30 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #2.11   Smartie Pants

      I have never had a waiter ask me about allergies, or anything of that sort. And I have never had or seen a waiter “connect” with the guests, other than by MAYBE asking how their day is. When I usually feel a waiter has earned a good tip, it’s simply because they were polite and friendly… which honestly is not asking too much, and in EVERY service job you have to do that. Like a cashier? Like a bank teller? Do you tip them? No!! I’m sorry, but it’s usually people that are unqualified for other jobs that become waiters/waitresses so why do you expect so much?!

      Apr 2, 2008 at 3:04 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #2.12   Reaper621 bang

      RP, what are you basing these outrageous remarks on? Restaurants don’t have to come up with the difference if your tips don’t make minimum wage. And tell me what problems unions ever solved for the past 5 or 6 decades.

      ghrelin, don’t talk out of your ass. The poverty line is an arbitrary measure of some average yearly spenditure figure, excluding some and including other items. The “Standard of Living” includes a lot more luxury than you think.

      Mar 1, 2009 at 8:34 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #2.13   Suzi

      Just so you know, I’m a waiter and at least 15% of the waiters have a college degree in all fields, business, English, nursing, biology, etc. and another 25% are in school. More than those are single mothers, including two widows who have to have flexible hours in order to take care of their children.

      Choices are usually limited when you need a flexible schedule. I also know more than one waitress that has a MFA or MA. So please, don’t be so condescending about “qualifications”.

      And btw, few people would treat bank tellers the way they feel they can treat servers.

      I agree with your own preferences when dining out, but many others have different preferences, including small chat, etc. And guess what? People expect you to know somehow what exactly they want and then tip you on that. And guess what else? Waiters remember bad tippers.

      Also, I have seen many, many, many people fail at waiting tables. Including MBAs.

      Jun 12, 2009 at 7:34 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #2.14   MAMARILLA2 bang

      Because if a bank teller spits on your money…

      Jul 19, 2009 at 11:01 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

  • #3   Sarah bang

    They were doing so well until 10%. Here’s the real guide:

    10%: Your service sucked, but I don’t want to be a jerk , so I’ll leave you slightly less than 15% and hope you don’t figure it out.


    Moving a decimal place is the extent of my mathematical skills. Sorry.

    5%: Your service sucked, but I don’t want to be a jerk. However, I am also cheap. I can’t blame it on my math skills, because halving 10% takes almost as much effort as calculating 15%.

    A Penny: Look at me, I’m an asshole!

    Mar 10, 2008 at 5:35 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   tk.

      “5%: Your service sucked, but I don’t want to be a jerk. However, I am also cheap.”

      Sometimes the service isn’t worthy of a tip that’s more than a rounding error. That doesn’t necessarily mean you’re cheap.

      Being nice doesn’t cost the server anything extra (unless you count unpaid tips).

      Mar 10, 2008 at 5:40 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #3.2   gambrinus

      I’ve done a penny before. It was very satisfying. The server was a jerk.

      Stiffing them might leave them thinking it’s a mistake. A penny makes the statement, ‘No really, fuck you.’

      Mar 12, 2008 at 9:58 am   rating: 38  small thumbs up

  • #4   nothanks

    I tip a minimum of 50% and a majority of the time tip 100%

    I feel that by me tipping well, even if the service is bad, it may make the day better for the server and potentially make it better for another patron.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 5:42 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   Canthz_B bang

      I pay twice the sticker price for cars in hopes the next guy gets a good deal. :roll:

      Mar 10, 2008 at 6:31 pm   rating: 44  small thumbs up

    • #4.2   anglophile bang

      I tip the grocery store checker so the people standing in line behind me get checked out faster. I’m generous that way. :P

      Mar 10, 2008 at 6:45 pm   rating: 17  small thumbs up

    • #4.3   GVI bang

      I tip the electric company 150% because I know they will collect them all and a family less fortunate will have free electricity.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 6:49 pm   rating: 27  small thumbs up

    • #4.4   Troy McClure bang

      I tithe 35% instead of 10%, because I don’t just want to get into Heaven once, I want to be able to come & go. (Tuesday evenings I’ve got poker with the boys in Hell.)

      Mar 10, 2008 at 7:00 pm   rating: 41  small thumbs up

    • #4.5   amazon bang

      I tip the IRS 30% of my salary!

      Oh wait, is it a tip when it’s mandatory?

      Mar 10, 2008 at 7:52 pm   rating: 23  small thumbs up

    • #4.6   Writerrejected bang

      I slip the dental hygienist some tongue every chance I get. Does that count?

      Mar 10, 2008 at 8:57 pm   rating: 21  small thumbs up

    • #4.7   WhatACunt

      CanthzB: The person is tipping the wait staff not overpaying for the food you twat. Your family hates you.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:08 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #4.8   anglophile bang

      Wow, way to both completely miss the point of a funny comment AND live up to your user name. Impressive debut! I look forward to further pearls of wisdom dropping from your lips, WAC.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:13 pm   rating: 25  small thumbs up

    • #4.9   WhatACunt

      anglophile: If you read more of CanthzB’s comments you will see that this person isn’t joking. Rather, she’s a completely mediocre person. I’m glad you’re impressed. The only pearl I give is a pearl necklace… (not jewelry)

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:37 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #4.10   anglophile bang

      Are you suggesting I should read more of the site before commenting? In order to get to understand the humor of various regular commenters? What a good idea!

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:39 pm   rating: 21  small thumbs up

    • #4.11   Canthz_B bang

      Yes, Cunt…it is the wait staff that is being tipped…that is an undeniable fact. That being said, may I point out that the wait staff is tipped based upon their ability to please the customer?
      At the very least, their ability to refrain from giving the customer a bad experience.
      You will not see me anywhere here say that I do not tip, am against tipping or anything of the sort. By the same token you will not see me saying that a gratuity is deserved as a matter of due course.
      See how I did that without calling you vulgar names?

      And “she’s” a “he”. Learn the site.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 10:11 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

    • #4.12   bellabeastie

      CB – you didn’t even need to glorify that idiot with a response. (Very nicely crafted, however).

      I’ve found that sometimes if you ignore an itch it will just go away.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 7:29 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #4.13   Canthz_B bang

      Thanks bella…and I was doing so well at holding my tongue for the past few months too!

      Back to my breathing exercises! :-)

      Mar 11, 2008 at 7:57 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #4.14   Numinous bang

      Oh please, don’t hold back.

      It’s always so much more fun when you have at it with total abandon.

      (you can apply that advice to any “it” you choose)

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:44 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #4.15   Rachael

      I agree that part of our job is to allow the guest to have a good time, but there are some people YOU CANNOT please, no matter what you do. No matter how many times you refil that drink, or fetch them the ketchup/more dressing/6 and a half more lemon wedges…No matter how hard you smile as they wave or (god forbid) whistle you over while you’re at a another table. You may find it a bit more difficult to hold your tongue when it’s happening in your face as opposed to on the computer.

      We do work for tips and it IS based on our service but an asshole is an asshole. We deal with things you’d never think of (i.e. returning a $26 steak b/c they asked for it spilt and the kitchen cut it in the wrong direction). So unless you’ve worked in a restaurant and have had to deal with this, please don’t act like you understand.

      I do choose to work in the restaurant b/c I enjoy it, but it’s rude and cheap people (who act like they’re doing YOU a favor by coming in) that make it difficult.

      Mar 13, 2008 at 10:17 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #4.16   Numinous bang

      Come on. Those assholes are the exception, not the rule. If I don’t tip generously, it’s because I never even got one drink refill. If I give them 10% or less, it’s because they never checked back at all, gave attitude, or completely ignored a simple request (ie, Can I have some mayo please?)

      And, for the record, when we order breakfast we always tip more because breakfast is always soooo cheap and that waitress worked at least as hard as she would have with a steak dinner.

      Mar 14, 2008 at 7:28 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

  • #5   Writerrejected bang

    How *do* you actually say “you suck and I hate you,” in French, I wonder. Anyone?

    Mar 10, 2008 at 5:43 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   nothanks

      vous sucez et je vous déteste

      Mar 10, 2008 at 5:45 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #5.2   secondsout bang

      Just go to any restaurant in France and let the server know you’re American, and I’m sure you’ll get the answer to this question.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 8:24 pm   rating: 18  small thumbs up

    • #5.3   Writerrejected bang

      Vous sucez! I like it…

      Mar 10, 2008 at 8:55 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #5.4   MJaz

      OK kiddies – you had your French lesson – now German:

      There is no real equivalent to “you suck” in German, but the phrase “du bist scheisse und ich hasse dich” means roughly the same. (you are shit and I hate you).

      Alternatively you can use “leck mich am arsch – ich hasse dich” which means “lick my ass, I hate you.”

      Mar 12, 2008 at 9:55 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #5.5   JonasParker

      Or in the Québec version: “T’es ben platte, je te haïs!”

      Mar 12, 2008 at 1:50 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #5.6   frogette

      (#5.1 nothanks ) – I feel I have to intervene here. “Vous sucez” means “you suck” in the BJ kind of sense. The closest equivalent I can find to” you suck” in the sense of “you’re a pain in the neck” is “tu crains”

      I confirm that in France the tip is generally included in the global price, so tipping is a mark of appreciation for a good service and not a due, and that if you tip, 10 to 15% is considered acceptable (with nuances depending on the place and on the amount spent).
      Not a reason for not tipping appropriately abroad of course.

      Mar 18, 2008 at 5:59 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #6   yaya

    Since when is a patron required to tip more than 15%?
    I am sorry your employer pays you peanuts, but you can’t expect every patron to make up the difference over the standard 15%.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 5:50 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   Duck

      I hate you. Please continue to eat from the frozen food section.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:59 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #6.2   long time waiter

      15% was the standard 5 to 10 years ago. there is a thing called inflation which goes along with tipping standards.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:20 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #6.3   anglophile bang

      Interesting concept, long time waiter. But you see, with inflation, the cost of the meal is now higher than it was 5 to 10 years ago, so therefore, the standard 15% is now more money than it was 5 to 10 years ago. If inflation keeps going up, by your method, diners will soon be expected to tip 50% or 70%. Something about that seems illogical, can’t quite put my finger on it….

      And by the way, before you flame me, let me just state that my standard tip is 20%, and I have only once in my life given below 15%. The service was really bad.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:38 am   rating: 22  small thumbs up

    • #6.4   sarcastic monkey

      I call BS (that stands for Big Sucker). If you tip more than 15%, the waiter may love you, but you’ve paid too much.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:42 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #6.5   tc

      umm yeah… for those of you who don’t understand math, the “%” takes care of that.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:44 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #6.6   anglophile bang

      You calling BS on me, sarcastic monkey? It’s just that I’m too lazy to do the 15% math. Mental arithmetic is not my strong suit. ;)

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:44 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #6.7   tc

      and I lost the race to anglophile

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:45 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #6.8   GhostWriter bang

      Yes, but if the base pay that servers get remains low and doesn’t rise at the same rate of inflation, then tipping percentages should increase to make up for it.

      In other words, if half of your hourly wage remains fixed at $3, the other half that rises with inflation doesn’t fully make up for it.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 11:05 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #6.9   Canthz_B bang

      Not if the pay the patrons is also remaining fixed and is losing ground to inflation, GW.
      Raises have been few and far between for a great many people of late.
      The average worker has much less buying power today than they had 10 years ago and does not have access to tips to “make up for it”.
      Well, unless they take a second job waiting tables a few nights a week. :-)

      Mar 11, 2008 at 12:06 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #6.10   AllCourt

      I think long-time waiter was commenting that the tipping norm has inflated over time, though i agree with anglophile that this will logically have to stop at some point. I remember my grandmother tipping in the 10-12% range when I was growing up, but I don’t know anyone who is that low nowadays.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 12:52 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #6.11   cre8tivewmn bang

      You can’t expect patrons to know how well the employees at each individual restaurant are paid. We have to base a tip on something, and at least you can be sure the owner will constantly raise the prices of his meals, so tips will increase over time as well.

      The whole underpayment of food service workers stinks, in my opinion, and no, I never worked in food service.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 4:42 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #6.12   Suzi

      It’s very recently changed to 20%, at least here in AR, though it may have done so quicker else where. I don’t dislike people who tip 15% b/c that is true but generally I get 20%. Listen if I sell 300 I still don’t even make 6o b/c of tipouts, so really let’s not act as though waiters are overpaid.

      No one’s going to give you the stinkeye for 15%, but yes, tipping practices change.

      Jun 12, 2009 at 7:43 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #7   anglophile bang

    Go ahead, blame the foreigners if you want. But you know it’s really the locals stiffing you. Damn hippies!

    Mar 10, 2008 at 5:57 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

  • #8   Troy McClure bang

    This system is broken & one of the things I like the least about visiting the US. “We’re only going to pay you half as much as we should, & rely on your customers’ whims for the remainder. So keep that smile plastered across your face! And a bit of cleavage might not go astray.” Creepy? Or a good business nodel, to be emulated by other up-and-coming industries?

    Mar 10, 2008 at 6:11 pm   rating: 18  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   amazon bang

      I think Troy is onto something. We should be able to tip doctors and nurses to make sure we get top notch medical care, and let the riff-raff get what’s leftover!

      Mar 10, 2008 at 8:00 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #8.2   Canthz_B bang

      Nah…they already get tipped well…they bill full price whether you get well or not!! LOL

      Mar 10, 2008 at 8:36 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #8.3   Mystic

      If I tip a cow, does it make the beef better?

      Mar 10, 2008 at 11:16 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #8.4   Troy McClure bang

      Definitely. It tenderises it.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 11:38 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #8.5   KittyKat

      Yeah, I always tip the plumber when he shows a bit of “cleavage.”

      Mar 11, 2008 at 8:31 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

  • #9   Riva

    I am a career waiter(tress I hate the different connotation on the words.) First, I only get mad at Americans who tip badly. They know better, and usually, I get pretty good tips from our Euro friends only because they’ve been treated like crap by passive-aggresive waiters before me who believe they will get a bad tip and that gives them the right to be an ass to the poor stinky butter-knife-on-the-salad-users.

    To the posters before me, if you eat at restaurants who charge less than 20 dollars for an a la carte entree, tip as suggested above. If you are at a fine dining restaurant, you are expected to tip 20%, and if you don’t, you are showing your lot in life. It doesn’t really matter, though. Your waiter read you before your butt hit the seat and your napkin was placed in your lap.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 6:15 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   Canthz_B bang

      Brought to you by your bitter waitress with the oh so fake smile plastered on her puss.
      News flash, patrons can read wait staff pretty well too. ;-)

      Mar 10, 2008 at 7:22 pm   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #9.2   tlyzer bang

      I am EXPECTED to tip 20%? Excuse me, but if I get good service, I leave a good tip. If I get shit service, the tip will reflect that, regardless of what type of restaurant I’m dining in.
      If you want more money, give better service, or better yet, hit your boss up for a raise. I shouldn’t be held responsible for making sure you can pay your bills.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 7:29 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

    • #9.3   Sue Do Nim bang

      Being read by a waiter?
      Because it so matters what a server thinks of me.

      And as far as showing my lot in life? I can afford to eat in your fine dining establishment, and I’m not too concerned about how you perceive my social standing. I’ll tip 20%+ if the service is outstanding.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:08 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #9.4   Lurker

      It only matters what the server thinks of you if you want decent service. If she pegs you as a low tipper when you walk through the dorr, she won’t go out of her way for you since she knows it won’t be wroth her while. She’ll spend more time on the customers who look likely to give a large rip for better service.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 7:14 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #9.5   p'chick

      A server assuming that I wont tip and therefore giving me crappy service is creating their own reality. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 8:29 am   rating: 29  small thumbs up

    • #9.6   Lurker

      Maybe to an inexperienced server it is, but an experienced one can tell from the getgo which category anyone falls into:

      1. Will give a big tip for good service
      2. Will give a big tip regardless of service
      3. Will give a small tip regardless of service
      4. Will give an OK tip, but only if the service is slavishly elaborate

      If she focuses on groups 1 and 2, there’s no need for her to break her back on groups 3 and 4.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 11:13 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #9.7   Quite Contrary

      Riva, you have very clearly offered your expert opinion. Can you please explain to me/us heathen why we are expected to give a 20% tip, especially when a waiter doesn’t bother to spend more than 15 seconds taking an order (and that was clearly an imposition for him), has someone else deliver the order, doesn’t refill the beverages, doesn’t check in to see if anything else is needed, and has to be asked to bring the check?

      20%? Really?

      PS This happened to me last week
      PPS Vous sucez et je vous déteste

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:02 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #9.8   george

      quote- “Your waiter read you before your butt hit the seat and your napkin was placed in your lap.”

      And that’s the fucking problem, all these “i deserve whatever i want” waiters act how they want and then get mad if they get less than they expect for a tip. So if I dress a little grunge, are they gonna treat me worse when my ass hits the seat because they ASSUME I’m a loser? Most wait staff sucks in some way or another and it’s their attitude that makes it that way.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 5:36 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #9.9   beesnest

      Whoa, if I knew I was being served by a waitress with attitude I’d make it a point to “forget” the tip. Could you possibly wear a special hat so I can pick you from a crowd?

      Mar 13, 2008 at 2:50 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #9.10   Suzi

      I have seen too many waiters like this. And they grumble about every table and then grumble after their table leaves about their tip. I wonder why? There are oft times when I suspect, generally by someone’s attitude, that I will not get tipped or not tipped well at least; however I refuse to treat people poorly because of it and oft times am surprised. If they do tip me poorly I want them to feel guilty about it later and not be able to rationalize it.

      Mistakes can be made, waiters can get distracted or busy and things get overlooked. Sometimes we even realize this. I generally try to communicate that to my table if I know I did not do as much as I would like to my table, but others may not know how to. So, please remember not all are doing it on purpose nor consistently. If it’s not an attitude problem, or a waiter ignoring you, I attempt to sympathize. Maybe look around every once in a while see if they’re being lazy and chatting in a corner or running around from table to table.

      Jun 12, 2009 at 7:54 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

  • #10   Straightline bang

    If you get 10% from me it definitely means you sucked. And if that happens, I no longer care if you think the problem is that I can’t do the math.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 6:20 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   Sarah bang

      Hey now. I’m not implying you can’t do math. I do, however, know quite a few people who can’t, and instead of using their cell phone calculator or whatnot, they tip 10%.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 7:23 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #10.2   Canthz_B bang

      If they can figure out 10%, are they not doing math?
      It seems to me that they are doing multiple calculations regarding the value of the service they received.
      But that’s just me you understand. ;-)

      Mar 10, 2008 at 8:16 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #10.3   Sarah bang

      I’m pretty sure they learned the “10% = move the decimal place over” rule, but for some reason, when faced with the prospect of figuring out 15% from that, it’s too much.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:19 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #11   KittyPants

    Considering how much the restaurant in question suxxxxx, a 0% tip would be fine. A talk with the manager would be a good idea too. Then again, the manager there sux as well, so that probably won’t work.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 6:21 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #12   Canthz_B bang

    God asks that you love him and asks for 10% in tithes. These servers want 10% when they rate hatred?
    What balls!

    Mar 10, 2008 at 6:28 pm   rating: 15  small thumbs up

    • #12.1   Numinous bang

      Perhaps they assume that we tithe 10% to God because we hate Him and fear His wrath?

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:51 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #13   Reno

    We should make up our own PA cards to explain our tipping policy to wait staff as soon as we are seated. This way, they know the deal and can understand how we felt about the service. It takes the guesswork out of receiving a 5%…10%…etc. tip.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 6:31 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

  • #14   GVI bang

    Oh damn, here we go again with all the cranky servers and advocates for tipping.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 6:45 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   Mishee bang

      I’m with you G-man – we already got this all out in the open on the other server post…

      Mar 10, 2008 at 8:22 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #14.2   Lorelie

      And the one before that, and the one before *that* one. . .

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:09 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #14.3   rosie

      Ohhhhh – but some of us are new and this is where we jumped in! What fun ! I’m hooked!

      Mar 26, 2008 at 1:31 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #15   Canthz_B bang

    I just have to ask why anyone would think that tipping well for poor service would result in better service for the next patron?
    You have set the bar…poor service equals good tip. Tipping well for bad service encourages bad service by rewarding it.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 7:03 pm   rating: 17  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   Wade bang

      good point

      Mar 10, 2008 at 7:23 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #15.2   bamBAM!! bang

      Tippers just don’t wanna feel bad when they find out that the waiter’s grandma just died and was really awful day. No need to kick them when they’re down, right?

      Mar 10, 2008 at 8:51 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #15.3   WhatACunt

      What an impressive CUNT! I go out to dine to EAT! If the food is great I could give two shits about how the waitstaff is. If someone is having an off day or their kid got expelled from school that may come across in the service they provide. It doesn’t expell the fact that the food was good. You belong in afghanistan with your backward thinking. Go stand in the street.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:17 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #15.4   anon

      Tuesday? So nice of you to pay us a visit again, hon.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:23 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #15.5   Canthz_B bang

      I go out for the full package. I can get really good food at home. Bad service of good food ruins the experience of dining out (for me).
      There is a reason dining is part of the “hospitality industry” you understand.
      I don’t tip well for a bad experience.
      Go stand in the street you marvelous, wonderful WhatACunt.
      BTW, how is the service in Afghanistan?

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:45 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #15.6   Summer

      You pay for the food, you tip for the service!!! You should tip well on great service and crap food, you should send the shit food back and not pay for it if it is crap, tip the server according to how that whole thing went down. If the server is really nice and does her part of the deal well, you should take care of her, and just never go back to that place again, not her fault if the cook sucks, really, it’s all true! ;-)

      Mar 11, 2008 at 11:05 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #15.7   Quite Contrary

      If your kid got expelled that day, I think there are some bigger issues at hand. Personally, I don’t think I should have to pay for them.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:06 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #16   Quinn

    I worked at a restaurant in Vermont, so close to the borer of Quebec, where such a sign with the little French-speaking man would have been oh so apropos, but here in San Francisco, I don’t know.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 7:37 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   Troy

      but it’s America, where the French are the scapeoats for everything. remember Freedom Fries??

      Mar 10, 2008 at 8:44 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #16.2   Canthz_B bang

      Not everything. We remember Lafayette and we were quite happy to have Cornwallis blocked by the French Fleet and to have the aid of General Comte de Rochambeau at Yorktown.
      We were more than happy to have our Declaration of Independence have some impact on the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen of 1789.(Wiki on the date)
      I do think that we more than paid them back for Yorktown with our small bit of assistance in WWI and WWII…unless they’d prefer to speak German…

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:03 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #16.3   Canthz_B bang

      And we didn’t even get a tip! ;-)

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:34 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #16.4   Shaddup

      Ok, Quinn, people who live in Quebec 1) know how to tip; 2) don’t ALL speak only French; 3) don’t respond well to stupid, condescending, cartoony signs telling them how to behave. And you might want to look up “apropos”, because you are using it incorrectly.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 10:54 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #17   Joe

    Tip schmip.

    I tip IF I get amazing service, not merely because someone was doing their job.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 7:43 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

  • #18   Mishee bang

    This is what I mean when I say The City is overrated!

    Mar 10, 2008 at 8:21 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #19   SXSWi p2 at Joe Doyle :: Creative Director

    [...] online world. In case you were wondering, this is what a session looks like. I caught this woman adding images to her blog entry. Most people (including me) “listen” to a session while working or blogging (or both). [...]

    Mar 10, 2008 at 8:24 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #20   Troy

    and this is why the rest of the world hates America. a tip is EXTRA money. why should i pay EXTRA for service that is only OK?

    Mar 10, 2008 at 8:39 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #20.1   Canthz_B bang

      If the rest of the world hates America then please stop accepting the billions of dollars our tax payers give you. Please pay for your own military defense so we can cut the largest military budget in the world down to something manageable and please stop saying that Middle East peace is impossible without America becoming deeply involved in the peace process. Leave us alone and let regional problems be fixed by the nations in the region.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:17 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #20.2   Canthz_B bang

      Hey “Troy”, you know when the rest of the world will hate America?
      When we stop issuing visas! Like it or not, America is the place most people looking to emigrate set their sights on.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 9:23 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #20.3   Guess Again

      Actually, most of the world already hates America. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, you know.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 10:49 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #20.4   Canthz_B bang

      I have no problem with that.
      Therefore I refer you back to comment #20.1

      Please, encourage people the world over to stop leaving their homelands and moving to America. I thank you and my children and my children’s children thank you!

      When we stop footing the bulk of the bills for protecting our allies around the world who profess to hate us, perhaps we can afford universal health care for our own citizens instead of in actuality subsidizing that of others.

      Mar 10, 2008 at 11:00 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #20.5   raiseyourglass

      Canthz B
      Did you ever notice moochers always whine and bitch to their friends about how awful you are. Especialy when you don’t want to invite them to your house after they sloped it up and eaten all your food.
      -But always seem to call you when they need to be bailed out of a jam.
      Just saying…

      Mar 10, 2008 at 11:31 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #20.6   Canthz_B bang

      That is something, isn’t it raiseyourglass?
      Almost as if they like your largess but hate you for how receiving it makes them feel.
      The easy solution is that they should stand on their own two feet and stop asking for aid.
      But no…time after time they come hat in hand explaining why they need just a bit more than last time, and oh, could you please throw in some debt relief with that?

      And of all of the legitmate reasons to be upset with America, this putz thinks it’s because we tip our servers! ROTFLMAO!

      Mar 10, 2008 at 11:59 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #20.7   ginger

      man alive.

      perhaps if americans didn’t think socialism was adirty word your waiters would make enough money to live on. then people wouldn’t feel obligated to tip someone who can’t do their job properly.

      in the uk we tip according based on how good the service is. we can do this as our minium wage is not a complete and utter joke.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:07 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #20.8   Canthz_B bang

      I too think the base pay for servers is a farce. I’m having trouble with your linkage to socialism, however, given that the vast majority of jobs in America are subject to a much higher minimum wage than that offered servers and the establishment of any minimum wage is socialist in nature in that it does not allow the market to dictate wages.
      In comment #20.4 I mention that universal healthcare is desired by the American people…pretty socialist, yes?
      I think you can tell from the comments here, and elsewhere, that no one feels obligated to tip. Some tip no matter what the service was like, others tip based upon how they feel about the service, and still others object to the custom altogether.

      Man alive, I wish people would not over-generalize about how Americans think…we are a diverse people you know.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:34 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #20.9   Canthz_B bang

      As for the American aversion to too much Socialism in our system I offer my friend Ginger from the UK a quote:

      Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
      – Winston Churchill

      Mar 11, 2008 at 2:01 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #20.10   ginger

      you can quote whatever figures you like about howmany americans want universal health care. fact of the matter still remains, you ain’tgot it and you ain’t about to get it any time soon. my link to socialism, being that no one would ever be expected to do ANY type of work for the what would be around £3 here. our minium wage applies across the board.

      as for winston, it’s been a while love and he was in no a socialist.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 6:59 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #20.11   Canthz_B bang

      Evidently you do not understand Sir Winston’s words as they clearly indicate that he is no Socialist. That was my point.
      I quoted no figures regarding the desire of the American people for some form of universal health care. What I said is that if our military budget were not so great we could afford it.
      What were you smoking reading?

      Mar 11, 2008 at 7:33 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #20.12   anglophile bang

      ginger, the fact remains that the vast majority of patrons leave a decent tip in restaurants throughout the US. Waitstaff do, once tips are added in, earn as much as others who work unskilled jobs that do not require a lot of education do. What all the servers are getting in an uproar on this thread, and the other two server threads, is the occasional bad tipper. I maintain that if you are good at your job, your frequency of bad tippers will drop.

      If you want to get outraged at poor wages in America, research how much child-care workers get paid to keep people’s kids safe all day while they are off waiting tables.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 8:18 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #20.13   remote

      In reply to 20.6, it’s interesting to see that the US made no use of the $1 billion dollars in aid offered by many different countries when Katrina hit, and that, in fact they did such a good job domestically that they had no need for outside assistance.

      Also good to note that a large part of the economy is not dependent on the savings of overseas investors. That there would be no adverse effects at all if those investments went elsewhere.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 11:01 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #20.14   ginger

      yush, i think my point was that winston was not a socialist, therefore what he had to say on the matter was somewhat irrelvant.

      wait staff making a decent wage once tips are included is again kinda my point. everyone should make a living wage. they shouldn’t have to rely on tips. as for getting outraged about something else,trust me america routinely outrages me plenty. i suppose it’s cause i’m a bleeding heart liberal who cares about everyone’s situation in life.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 2:38 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #20.15   butter

      Ginger, do you really not get that people are agreeing with you on your point about servers making decent wages?

      Mar 12, 2008 at 7:04 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #21   bamBAM!! bang

    It’s not their fault, the metric system is just a little too basic for the idea of “percents.”

    Mar 10, 2008 at 8:47 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #22   WyldEyes

    Wow, I thought I was a ‘good customer’ tipping 15% on ‘average’ service. I leave 10% when service is ‘eh’ but rarely leave less (you’d really have to piss me off for me to leave less then 10%). I give 20% (or more) about 45% of the time.

    To Riva… how frustrating that you ‘read me’ before I sit down! I often look like I have no $ and wouldn’t know how to tip (I come in covered in horse dirt and worn out from showing/training)… guess it would be your loss for stereotyping me! Shame on you.

    For the record: I waited tables when I was younger – but I did it for the people, not the money (and believe me, I needed the money)… I usually made out pretty well on tips. Guess being a people person in that profession pays off!

    Mar 10, 2008 at 9:05 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

  • #23   Chlor bang


    20% for a shiny, colorful, laminated sign with a kooky looking and utterly confused French dude on it.

    -20% for being condescending assholes with apparently shitty service.

    See! I’m American and I’m still good at math! ^_^

    Mar 10, 2008 at 9:06 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #24   Biyatch

    I know they are going to spit in my food, so I rub my dick all over their tip.

    Mar 10, 2008 at 9:37 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #24.1   Writerrejected bang

      I guess that’s one interpretation of tipping, eh?

      Mar 10, 2008 at 10:12 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #25   onlooker

    Nothing like rubbing a dick ‘tip’ on a debit card!

    Go Team Whatacunt! I like to watch… other people stir it up.


    Mar 10, 2008 at 10:05 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #26   melissa

    yelp rules!

    Mar 10, 2008 at 10:17 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #27   Boooooring

    Holy shit – not ANOTHER fucking note about tipping? Don’t you people ever get sick of arguing over this subject? I know I am sick of READING about it. And look at all the classy, intelligent comments that appear on the tipping threads. Do we really need a new thread on tipping every couple of weeks? No, we don’t. It was a rhetorical question. There has GOT to be something better to bitch about. NEXT!

    Mar 10, 2008 at 10:47 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #27.1   Writerrejected bang

      I confess to having had the same sinking feeling when I saw it was a tipping PAN. But it does appear to be fertile ground for this site. So, I think we’ve got to suck it up and go with it. That’s just my tip to you.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 8:44 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #27.2   Whyyy?

      I am worried about boooooring. Is someone holding a gun to their head to force them to read all the blogs on tipping? Someone should call swat!!!!

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:32 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #27.3   Kasey

      Rhetorical questions don’t require answers (by definition), so why did you answer your own rhetorical question?

      Mar 12, 2008 at 8:59 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #28   Tobi

    I don’t feel bad for waitresses. I leave $2 all the time and that’s it. If they don’t like their wages, maybe instead of constantly complaining and throwing pity parties such as this they should actually do something about it.

    I know the concept of not bitching and actually doing is difficult for most people, however.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 12:11 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #28.1   AllCourt

      Not sure why you only leave $2. If the waitresses “do something” about their wages, you will end up with increased prices, and therefore have to tip $2 on top of more, or decrease your tip to get the same price for your food. Really $2 at any restaurant, on any meal? Never heard of that before.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:09 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #28.2   beesnest

      I WANT the price, including tip, to be all upfront. Increase the price, make sure the servers get paid, stop making me stress all night over who gets tipped what and if I just made an ass of myself.

      I work in an ER and would LOVE to get 20% of that bill. Instead the waitress at the local truck stop makes more than double my money on a slow day. Seriously.

      Mar 13, 2008 at 2:59 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #28.3   Suzi

      Then why don’t you wait tables?

      Guess it’s too hard to do instead of bitch and be rude, huh?

      Jun 12, 2009 at 8:01 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #29   Chipmunk

    …yeah. I understand that in some cities, wait staff aren’t paid a dime (like Washington DC). I almost always tip, unless the waiter/waitress was a total dick. This past Valentine’s Day I left the cute little high school-aged waitress a $20 tip on a $50 meal because she was cheery, polite, and attentive.

    We’re not required to give wait staff tips. We do it because -you did a good job-, not because you did your job at all. If you are making so little per paycheck despite your hours, then either
    1. Make sure minimum wage laws are being enforced. Minimum wage in California as of January 08 is $8 an hour.

    2. MOVE THE HELL OUT OF SAN FRANSISCO. You can’t live by yourself in The City and work as a waiter and just magically expect your funds to cover your bills.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 1:32 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #29.1   secondsout bang

      Minimum wage in San Francisco is actually $9.16/hour. Sounds high, but the price of living is damn high in SF as well.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 11:26 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #30   AK-00

    I guess 0% = Fuck you and your snarky sign.

    Oh! I’d like to take this opportunity to thank the American people for introducing extortion and intimidation into my eating experience by exporting this loathsome custom.
    Needless to say, I only tip in places I plan on visiting regularly.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 2:30 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #30.1   Canthz_B bang

      Out of courtesy I will say ,”You’re welcome” but:

      “The origin of tipping is lost, like so many things, in the Mists of Antiquity. There’s evidence that tipping goes back at least to the age of the Romans, but human nature being what it is, it could just as easily date from the invention of money.
      Tipping spread from England to colonial America, but after the revolution it was frowned upon (temporarily) as a hangover from the British class system.”

      Don’t blame the American people

      Mar 11, 2008 at 3:35 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #31   Canthz_B bang

    I wonder why no servers outside of the U.S.A. are complaining about American tourists who tip well while abroad because they just assume tipping is a universal custom.
    Do you guys just give the money back to the American tourist and explain that they need not tip, or do you keep the money?

    Not being snarky here…honestly, I’m just curious because I’ve never traveled abroad.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 3:46 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #31.1   Lurker

      When I went to London, almost everyplace I ate that had waitstaff, had service compris written on the menu. I didn’t go anywhere really fancy, though.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 7:20 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #31.2   Canthz_B bang

      Thanks, Lurker.:-)

      If I ever go anywhere I’ll now know what that means. I don’t speak French and had to look it up. LOL

      Mar 11, 2008 at 7:41 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #31.3   Lorelie

      In Italy, there’s nothing like that on the menus. It’s just “known”. We’d occasionally tip if the service was really great or if our kids acted like heathens (they’re normally not bad) and no one ever gave it back.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:55 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #31.4   ALA bang

      In the mid-1990s I was with a group of 8 Americans in Russia. We left a great tip, and the waitress came running (more than 2 blocks!) after us to give us back our $. The restaurant was a neighborhood place (no real experience with foreign tourists) & she hadn’t ever heard of a tip. Our Russian sucked, but we figured out how to tell her it was a gift for her. We became regulars for the 6 weeks we were there. A week before we left, she invited us all to her home & cooked us dinner to thank us for all of the ‘gifts’.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 3:48 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

  • #32   doeseatoats bang

    Hey I just have to say something on all this. First of all, I waited tables in college and I got stiffed plenty of times with no tip. And you know what? I deserved it! It always came when I was having a crappy day and wasn’t smiling. I did my job, but that was it. And where is the logic on getting paid more just because the plate of food you brought to the table was more expensive that another plate of food you brought to another table? Some people left $5 no matter what they ordered. Fine by me. (Of course that was 15 years ago.) The bad part was we’d have to ‘tip out’ 3% of our total bills to pay the bartender. So there are times if you are stiffed on the tip that you actually loose money. If you still haven’t earned decent money at the end of the day, I’m inclined to believe it’s your own fault, not a foreigners, not somebody else’s attitude, just your own. To put up a note like this is just plain offensive; tipping is a choice based on service. End of story.

    And by the way, I’m an American LIVING in France, married to a British national, and no matter what the ambassadors to international goodwill have written in this post, they do love Americans. Just like we love them. It’s the MEDIA that portrays it otherwise. Man Alive.

    Visualize Whirled Peas

    Mar 11, 2008 at 3:49 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #32.1   RP

      “The bad part was we’d have to ‘tip out’ 3% of our total bills to pay the bartender. So there are times if you are stiffed on the tip that you actually loose money.”

      Where is the logic in making the waitstaff pay the bartender? That doesn’t even make sense. Also, if they’re being paid from the bill and not the tip how do you lose money? Aren’t you only keeping the tip anyway?

      Mar 11, 2008 at 11:09 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #32.2   doeseatoats bang

      At the end of the night the waiters had to give to the management the value of their total sales plus 3% to tip the bartender (who might have prepared a lot of drinks for the table). If a table left me a 0.00 tip, I still had to pay 3% of my my money to the bartender. If this happened all night I was out of money! I’m not saying it’s logic; I’m just saying.

      And here’s something else crazy. If someone ran out without paying the bill, the waiters had to dig in their own pocket to pay for it. (I’m guessing this is so on a bad night you couldn’t make some extra bucks by saying someone never paid.)

      Mar 11, 2008 at 11:36 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #32.3   raiseyourglass

      Yep…in small bars here (no food but entertainment) and some larger ones the bartender makes the drinks, stocks the coolers with beer cleans the glasses. They usualy have to stop waiting their own customers to get the server’s order and ring out the tabs (ie: they are making all the drinks for all the customers) Servers clean tables and empty ashtrays, put drinks down and collect money.
      Most bartenders will forgo the tip out if the server helps stock the coolers and/or wash glasses.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 9:37 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #33   Krapo

    “Vous sucez et je vous deteste” is very litteral…
    “Vous êtes nul et je vous deteste” would be better, anyway in France, the service really sucks…

    Mar 11, 2008 at 6:28 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #33.1   long time waiter

      Yes, exactly. Because they get paid hourly and therefore do not worry about getting a tip.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:41 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #34   Lurker

    What I want to know is, if they get so many foreign customers that it’s worth putting a PA sign up (complete with caricature Frenchman that Pepe LePew would probably find offensive), why don’t they simply switch to service compris?

    Mar 11, 2008 at 7:17 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #35   Joanne

    Re: tipping 20% in high class restaurants. Why should a waiter earn a bigger tip just because I bought a higher priced bottle of wine or chose the lobster on the menu? I do tip generously, but I feel a set percentage when you are dealing with a bill of $300 for 2 people is out of all proportion. I feel $40 per table for good service is fair!

    Mar 11, 2008 at 8:05 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #35.1   claw71 bang

      If you’re spending $300 dollars on two people and can’t fork over 20% then you have a serious problem. Heaven forbid you leave a $65 tip after you drank $200 worth of snooy shiraz on top of the “aren’t we special” seared scallops.

      Usually those high class restaurants hire some pretty astute waiters and waitresses. These aren’t your half-stoned college students who finish the rest of your beer at Applebees. The reason these places actually attract good staff is because the tips are better. At least until some Mike Huckabee campaign staffer shows up with an attitude.

      So Joanne, if you get good service fork over 20%. Don’t be stingy.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 8:33 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #35.2   Suzi

      You actually have to have more training to work in a fine restaurant and oft times go to tastings and classes to learn about wine pairings, etc. You get tipped more because the restaurant won’t just hire anybody off the street, it can be really hard to get a job in these places. Benefits? Higher pay.

      Jun 12, 2009 at 8:06 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #36   claw71 bang

    My sxentiment on tipping are well documented but this sign is nothing short of offensive. To me it conveys a message of entitlement that is typically associated with Americans. Like FORD saying, “Pay more for our cars, evn though they suck because they’re made in America…except for all the components manufactured overseas.”

    Rather than posting this sign, the manager should post the wage statements for the wait staff. Show people how this country pays food service workers.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 8:23 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #37   GhostWriter bang

    Tell me if this is wrong; Yesterday evening I dined at a restaurant, and the bill was $18.20. I left a twenty and $2 in quarters. Sure, the tip was enough, but is it gauche to leave quarters these days? What about dimes?

    Mar 11, 2008 at 8:51 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #37.1   Liz

      I don’t think there’s anything wrong with leaving change (though a LOT of pennies can be annoying). When I was a waitress my tips all went into one place and got counted up at the end of my shift.

      I like ‘service compris’. I wish more American restaurants would switch over. I found it humiliating to ‘sing for my supper’ and didn’t work as a server for very long.

      Of course, ‘service compris’ only works if the restaurants pony up and pay the servers decently.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 9:43 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #37.2   Summer

      Money is money, i’ll take your quarters if the servers don’t want it!!!

      Mar 11, 2008 at 11:43 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #38   GhostWriter bang

    Per my analysis, the note intends to address modern age beatniks, not Frenchmen.

    This conclusion is based upon two data:

    (1) The Haight is now filled with false hippies (like the one illustrated) who are actually free-market libertarians rather than socialists. These are the kids who think they will change America’s wacky tipping policies by refusing to tip.

    (2) Of all places to visit in the USA, why would foreigners flock to the Haight district? Any self-respecting Frenchman would stay as far away from wine country as possible. Lawry’s in Beverly Hills, maybe- but an American greasy spoon like All You Knead, nah.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 9:43 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #38.1   Sue Do Nim bang

      Hmmm…modern age beatniks who speak French.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 2:12 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #38.2   GhostWriter bang

      It’s called, “stretching the metaphor”.

      Anyways, you’d have to argue with data point #2 to discount the theory completely.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 2:24 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #39   Summer

    I can’t believe how much anger this post has incited, I think it’s a great note, perfectly assertive!

    Mar 11, 2008 at 11:21 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #40   Mrs L Carrot

    Geez… I had no idea you were supposed to tip 20% in the US, in Europe and pretty much everywhere else the standard tip is 10% – except in Iceland where it’s insulting to tip at all. You’d only ever tip higher this side of the pond if the service was completely exceptional.

    Then again, their sign is the work of a sarcastic tosser. Anyone who deals with what is clearly lack of knowledge or cultural understanding using a sign like that, does, I’m afraid suck and therefore only qualifies for 10% max.

    What’s more I’d make sure I wrote. “Great service at table but 10% off for your sarcastic fucking sign.” On the receipt and left it with my 10% tip.



    PS Canthz_B arrogant comments like yours do a lot to damage the reputation of the US abroad.

    Before you throw a hissy fit about “protecting” the oil reserves of the US and the UK er hem… sorry, the rest of us may I ask if that’s what all those people in the USA who gave money to IRA throughout the troubles were doing? I’d be keen to know because, you see, I lived through one of the bombing campaigns in London and I’ve seen the aftermath of a bomb blast and what people look like after a bomb has gone off and for you to mouth off like that I’d suspect it means you haven’t. Life is not just black and white, it’s more complicated.

    At least after 9.11 many Americans now have some conception of what it’s like, as a nation, to be on the receiving end of terrorism. Thanks to the kind attentions of some of your fellow Americans over the years, we British already know.

    I wouldn’t hold an entire nation responsible for the actions of a handful of people, of course. Perhaps you should try doing the same thing. American “protection” can be a good thing but not person or every nation wants it.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 11:23 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #40.1   doeseatoats bang

      That must have been horrible being in London during the bombing. And you’re right that Americans have a greater concept of terrorism after 9/11. So, I agree with most of your comments, including those on tipping, but I really want to point out that it wasn’t American “protection” which funded the IRA. Sinn Fein was declared a terrorist organization by the American government up until 1994, when the peace process began, of which Bill Clinton made one of his priorities as president. It’s true that money did come from some Irish-Americans, but it certainly wasn’t the taxpayers money, their government certainly didn’t condone it, and as you said , you can’t hold an entire nation responsible.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 12:12 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #40.2   Canthz_B bang

      9-11 was not the first terrorist attack on America, just the biggest. We are very familiar with domestic terrorism, we just never used that particular term for it preferring to treat it as crime. The Oklahoma City bombing of a Federal Building is a prime example as is the bombing at the Atlanta Olympics.
      Every police department of at least moderate size has had a bomb squad for years…why do you think that is?
      While I find all terrorist attacks abhorrent, I would be remiss if I did not point out that this is sometimes the price of Empire. When one group tries to assert dominance over another group conflict can and often does occur.
      I’m glad the peace process seems to have worked out well (I hope I’m right in that. I haven’t heard anything about the Irish/English thing on the news so I’m assuming here) and wish negotiation had happened years earlier.

      *cough lend/lease cough*

      It would have been nice as well if Great Britain had boycotted American cotton and tobacco which was produced by slave labor…but that was the past and I forgive you. ;-)

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:12 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #41   tragically mep bang

    I think if I saw this sign in a restaurant, I’d just walk out. I’ll take my business (and hefty tips) to somewhere where they are appreciated, not expected.

    After reading the reviews of this particular restaurant, I can’t believe they are still in business.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 11:29 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #42   Treb

    I was a server at a truckstop cafe where a typical tip was $1/person and I still earned way over min wage. Quit yer whining, servers. You’re making it harder for your those in your profession.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 11:45 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #43   ServingForSchool

    Long time reader, first time commenter.

    Ive been serving / bartending for about 6 years now and let me tell you, I love love love my job. For the most part I make really good money – but there are shifts where I make next to nothing.

    But I still love it.

    I love serving our foreign friends – even if they dont understand the whole “tipping” concept you’re always so nice and polite to me and don’t treat me like crap if I forgot to grab you that extra butter so thanks

    I love serving our eldery patrons – sure, you may give me $2 on a $30 meal but you don’t know any better and I remind you of your grand-daughter and you’ve been nothing but sweet to me the entire time so kudos to you cute little blue hairs!

    I love serving business men because lets face it, you can drink and eat your faces off and leave me $20 on an $60 dollar meal because its on a business account! And some of you are really hot in your suits so I love you!

    Who I dont like serving?

    - stuck up 16 year olds
    - moms who push around a stroller that cost more than 2 months of my rent but cant bring themselves to tip more than 10% on quality food and service
    - dine and dashers – btw – when you run off on your bill its not the “restaurants problem” its my problem – I pay for it
    - people that take both copies of your credit card slips, even if you were sweet and loved my service I lose the tip on that – and you probably took my pen in the process
    - people that take out their anger on the kitchen and their slowness on me – the person who isn’t cooking the food
    - people that talk on their cell phones and brush me off when I go to take your order

    Ill be sad to leave the industry – yah it sucks on the nites where you dont make any money and get crappy tips etc. but lets be honest, your next shift usually makes up for it. Sigh, I’ll miss all my patrons.

    Yes, even you people who seem to hate the concept of tipping and think all servers are the devil incarnate.


    Mar 11, 2008 at 12:03 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #43.1   GhostWriter bang

      I have always wondered- can you stereotype the “dine-n-dashers”? Is there a typical type of person who you almost know beforehand, that they will leave you hanging?

      PS: I wear a suit and tip well- you’d like me.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #43.2   Suzi

      I completely agree! There’s no reason to bitch, the next time well make up for it.

      For example, on Sat. night I barely made 60$ for a 6 hr. closing shift, but on Sunday night (generally a slow night) I made over 100$!

      No use complaining, it will just bleed over to your job and make it worse. Brush it off and keep smiling!

      Jun 12, 2009 at 8:12 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #44   ServingForSchool

    Never. And I hate when people try to stereotype the typical dine-and-dasher. Its not always the college students or shifty looking couples. Ive had plenty of dine and dashers that were respectable looking and left. I had a group of business men once skip out on a $100 bill (mind you, it was a honest mistake A thought B was paying and C though A took care of the bill etc.)

    Anyways, point being when you start stereotyping customers thats when you dont make money.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 12:12 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #44.1   GhostWriter bang

      OK, but the businessmen didn’t mean to do it- either that, or it was a clever ruse they were running. What I’m getting at is that college students (and particularly groups of tomboy ladies) are more frequent dashers than most others.

      That’s what I heard from my sister.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 12:17 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #44.2   bellabeastie

      SFS — You’re adorable and exactly the server I want when I go out to eat. Read you loud and clear. Never, ever prejudge anyone and give them the best because when this one sucks, the next will make up for it.

      I’m in a service industry, too , ( re: automobile sales) and I waited tables for a bit in college, and spent 15 yrs in the beauty industry as a managing nail technician. Dealing with the unwashed masses takes a certain type of personality or you are doomed to failure.

      One can tend to become a bit snarky, even cynical mayhaps (hence why I love this site!), but I have had perfect strangers become customers and end up being close friends.

      I have also had perfect strangers who became customers that made me wish I was packin’ an UZI that day because they didn’t deserve to suck air on this planet for one more second.

      That said, I always tip 20% plus. I know how it feels. :)

      Mar 11, 2008 at 2:10 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #45   Wilbur

    I have worked as a server and have a good amount of friends that still do. Generally, I tip at least 20% and if it’s a place I visit regularly where the service is great, around 30%. If it is a friend waiting on us, they may even get a 100% tip, but that is more of a gift than a tip. However, I have left no tip 2 times in my life, and both deserved it. They were a$$holes and i should have stolen their tips off the other tables to make up for the money I spent in those establisments or just walked out. With that being said, those were rare circumstances with one server being a racist pig and the other being stone drunk. But in no way does someone “deserve” a tip, just like no one “deserves” a job.

    Anyway, I worked my ass off and always tried to be the best I could be because I take pride in my work. And yes, I did get stiffed or short tipped even when I was on my A-game. This is a sad reality, and one of the many reasons why I don’t wait anymore. But in reality, 95% of the time I was tipped appropriately. A server provides SERVICE! If they don’t provide service then they do not deserve $hit! If it “costs them money” then “too bad so sad”, get the fudge out of the business if you can’t make the cut. Somewhere in the grands scheme of things, servers got the impression they deserve a tip. Let’s set something straight for you kids, you EARN tips, you are not entitled to them. If the system works against you because you have to claim 10%, that sucks. Why should a customer have to share the burden of the broken system that doesn’t compensate servers fairly? The fact is in every business, you make more money on some transactions than others and deal with it. Let’s be real, 20% to bring someone a plate from the kitchen?!? In reality the line cook, who is doing the actual preparation of the food, does relatively harder work — so why don’t we just tip them? Don’t tell me that they do get tipped out by the servers and blah blah blah, I know that most of you complaining tip your staff $hit.

    In the big picture it’s simple:
    The harder you work and the better service you provide = better tips.

    After seeing this arrogant sign I would expect them to have great and friendly service. If not up to my realistic expectations (that they created by the way), then I would tip appropriately, meaning crap for crap service.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 12:21 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

  • #46   Mr. Pink

    I never tip. I don’t believe in it.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 12:26 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #46.1   reverend dick

      And yet…it does exist.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 12:55 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #46.2   AllCourt

      I paid for your breakfast, so just a cough up a buck like everyone else.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:19 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #46.3   boof


      Mar 13, 2008 at 5:54 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #47   Insignificant Brit

    TI tip if the service deserves it and if it doesn’t I don’t. I’ve been a waitress and I believed that unless I treated all customers as well as I could and equally I was failing at my job so in this country, “reading” customers and adjusting your levels of attention on how much you think they might have to tip would be considered highly unprofessional.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 12:35 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #47.1   Lindsey

      Thank you for saying what I wanted to say :-)

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:18 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #47.2   TuesdayPillow

      Even when elderly people would come in and act like total sweethearts, I knew I wasn’t getting a good tip. Old people rarely tip well.

      Foreigners often do not tip well.

      Would I adjust my service level? No way! I have some personal standards to adhere to, big tips or not.

      And besides that, but some people can surprise you.

      Mar 24, 2008 at 8:07 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #48   lou fah

    i tip the hooker so the guy after me gets serviced better.
    thats how i roll.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 1:04 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #49   Lurker

    I don’t think I have ever not left a tip.
    I tip 16% for anything up to and including unremarkable, adequate service (because we have 8% sales tax, and it’s easier to just double the tax), and 24% for anything that strikes me as above average (same math).
    Having worked in the industry myself, I think I have a pretty sympathetic idea of what “adequate” and “above average” are. And, I also have the context to know that I’m a fairly undemanding customer.
    I usually end up rounding the tip off to an even amount, so that may raise or lower the percentage.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 1:05 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #50   GhostWriter bang

    Finally- the obligatory song parody!
    click here to sing along…

    If You Tip Only Five, Only Five”

    If you tip only five, only five
    If you remain alive,
    If you can still survive, you may find

    If you tip, ten & five, ten & five
    Ain’t gonna need to test your food, test your pie
    Everyone will thank you and say,
    “Isn’t it wonderful today?”

    If you tip twenty five, twenty five
    At “All You Knead” you’ve moved up off the sign
    You won’t leave a busboy stewin’
    Nobody’s gonna frown at you

    If you tip thirty five, thirty five
    You rock like a Pimp and you’re fly
    Your server’s got something to do:
    Walk the street, doing tricks for you

    If you tip forty five, forty five
    You’d make a great husband, wanna be yo’ wife.
    I’ll birth your sons, and your daughters too
    Forty-five percent’s quite large of you. Whoa-oh

    If you tip 7.5 to Ten
    You’ll get what’s coming- you oughta learn how to spend
    One day you’ll look at yourself and say,
    Gads! It’s time- Tax Adjustment day

    If you tip 8.5, well then,
    God – I wanna shake your flighty head
    Hey- either say, “I’m pleased, woman!” and tip
    I’ll tear your heart right out with it. Whoa-oh

    If you tip ninety five, ninety five
    I’m kinda wonderin, “Is that man gone, is he alive?”
    That offer’s everything an old guy can give
    But he ain’t coming back to here. Whoa-oh

    Now it’s been ten thousand dinners
    Man has tried to beat the system
    But when he never tipped,
    his take-a-way had spit

    But it may turn out right
    If waitresses start fights
    So money from their pay
    Maybe will usher better rates

    If you tip only five, only five
    If you remain alive,
    If you can still survive, you may find…

    Mar 11, 2008 at 1:16 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #50.1   Canthz_B bang

      Great song choice, GW! :-D

      Mar 11, 2008 at 2:00 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #50.2   bellabeastie

      Man alive. Brrrialllllllliant… Nice work.

      Oh, and thanks alot for the ear-worm. LOL

      Mar 11, 2008 at 9:26 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #51   Lindsey

    Ok, maybe I’m not following, and don’t tell me it’s because I’ve never been a server because I have, but a tip is EXTRA. You get a tip if you go beyond the duties of your job. I agree with Insignificant Brit “I tip if the service deserves it and if it doesn’t I don’t.” It should never be mandatory. What’s this “10% = You suck and I hate you” attitude? Heck, if my server is being a jerk, they’ll be lucky I don’t talk to the manager, let along get a bloody tip!
    Having said that, extra duties could be anything from a smile to being very polite to getting me water without me asking. I’m not demanding, but I am not about to tip my server for basic service for which they are already pulling a paycheque.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 1:16 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #51.1   AllCourt

      i think basically the argument is that waitrons subsidize the restaurant’s prices by taking low wages, such that if the house paid a normal minimum wage, everything would cost more. depending on the place, that might be 5-10% anyway. i’ll admit it’s a weird system, and it leads to a lot of gray area. i think you should talk to the manager if the service is substandard. they will usually take care of you. but also realize that the whole system is weird. slow delivery of food may/probably has nothing to do with the server. and the host/ess can mess things up pretty good if they seat too many people too quickly, especially in the same section.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 1:25 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #51.2   raiseyourglass

      You were probably paid a wage. (I can tell by your use of bloody) In the US servers make from the cafe/restaurant a small wage. (Usually just enough to pay for the bus to get to work.) The servers tips are the main wage. No tip -no pay. The management is only required to make up the difference in pay if you have not made enough to cover the federal minimum wage requirement.
      Hope this clears things up for you.If not see #61

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:07 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #51.3   gill

      In CA servers make minimum wage (which in SF is over 9.00/hr). The bus is currently 1.50. I’m no mathematician, but that hourly seems to works out to more than bus fare…

      Mar 12, 2008 at 12:55 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #52   me :)

    im just going to say that i am a teenager.
    in restaurants my friends and i ALWAYS leave more than a 15% tip, but that yes, I was always taught that 15% is the norm.

    I also want to add, that my dad is a bad tipper and it makes me mad.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 1:39 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #52.1   me too

      Me, I was once you. Just slide some extra money down when your dad turns his back to leave, or “forget” your coat at the table. It’ll make you feel better, particularly when he does it at places you regularly go.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 6:07 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #52.2   lala

      sometimes i ‘forget’ my coat at the table too, then scoop up the tip and put it in my pocket. take that dad!

      Mar 12, 2008 at 1:05 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #53   Annie


    …is that a Serge Gainsbourg reference?

    Mar 11, 2008 at 2:09 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #54   Heidi

    I have problems tipping fastfood employes like Sonic. They dont really serve you, they just bring your food to you. Give em a paycheck, why do I have to tip em. Now if they stand there and refill my drink every sec and play the fiddle for my entertainment, maybe then I will tip em.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 2:17 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #54.1   Canthz_B bang

      Umm, you don’t tip at fast food restaurants. The employees there do not earn a servers’ wage. Feel free to not tip, you are not expected to.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 2:54 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #54.2   ALA bang

      I round up a bit at Sonic, but not at any other fast food joint. I’m not going all out with the 10-20% tip or anything, but those folks freeze/roast in ways that the average fast-food worker does not – and they often bring me my food on roller skates. I can spare the 15-25 cents.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 4:14 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #55   KittyKat

    I almost always tip, usually doubling the tax like Lurker; if I have received very poor service I won’t leave anything except a note explaining such. However, I never tip in the City of Dayton, because the service there stinks. They try to blame it on the City, but . . . come on.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 2:48 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #56   Sarah

    Hello – this sign is made from douchebags who expect the sky to open up and rain money on them! Did you all read the reviews of the restaurant? No management in any respectable place would EVER condone a shitty sign like that. Forget it.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 2:53 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #56.1   Canthz_B bang

      Thanks for the heads up on the reviews, Sarah.
      Boy, this place cries out for a Gordon Ramsey’s Kitchen Nightmares show!

      Mar 11, 2008 at 3:15 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #57   ServingForSchool

    In Montreal, most restaurants have little mini cards they place with the bill that say,

    “For our Foreign Friends,

    Tipping is not mandatory – but if you enjoyed the service it is a polite gesture to leave your server a gratuity of 15%…”

    I cant remember the rest but its written in 8 different languages, its actually a nice – non pretentious way to inform our fellow foreigners that we unfortunately do not make $9-10 an hour.

    That said, Canadians have it WAY better when it comes to server wage, it will go up to $7.60/hr at the end of the month (our minimum wage is higher than that for all other jobs obviously but Im still not complaining!)

    Industries take WAY better care of our employees here in Canada – youre still going to get the occasional crusty server but when you’re not making 3 bucks an hour it makes it a lot better to be at work!

    Mar 11, 2008 at 3:00 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #58   xenylamine bang

    “Do you know what this is? Its the world’s smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.”

    In all seriousness, though, I think it only takes working in food service once in your life before you feel really guilty for not tipping decently if it is deserved. However, you also recognize that the service should be good enough to merit a tip. Anyone who thinks tips should be given for shitty service doesn’t take pride in their own work and expects something for nothing.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 3:06 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #58.1   claw71 bang

      I just think it’s important to know why the service is shitty. If your waitress is sitting in the corner texting her BFF, you might have a point, but if she’s busting her ass prepping sides, mixing drinks and putting up with sexual overtures from the 45 year-old manager you might think twice about stiffing her.

      American customers are gutless. Most won’t ask the server why the wait is so long or their order is screwed up. They just see a golden oppurtunity to hold onto 10 bucks. Or in the case of Ms. Moneybags early on in the thread, 65 bucks on top of the $300 tab you rang up.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 3:51 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #58.2   bellabeastie

      Loved the “snooty shiraz” and “aren’t we special” seared scallops. I’ve sat thru too many dinners with folks like that who justify a scimpy tip for exactly those reasons.

      It makes me cringe.

      Team Pony Up Big Shot — Because You Look Like A Loser To Me

      Mar 11, 2008 at 9:40 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #59   claw71 bang

    You know what’s sad? We still see the beret as the penultimate representation of effete European culture but the marketing geniuses in the Department of Defense still went ahead and slapped a snooty little black beret on the head of every Army Soldier. And they still don’t want gays in the military? I guess the hideous digital camo keeps them away.

    Between those made-for-cabaret navy uniforms, the puffy caps the Marines wear and the gay-pride berets in the Army, the only manly place in the US military might be the Air Force.

    Seriously, no more making fun of other countries’ uniforms. We might have a don’t ask, don’t tell policy on homosexuality but the clothes really do make than man, and you don’t get more gay than the good ol’ USA.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 3:46 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #60   ohgawd

    you people are so boring.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 4:01 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #61   claw71 bang

    Attention Foreign Travelers:

    A quick guide to the wacky American custom of not paying a living wage:

    70% under poverty. That’s what minium wage is in this country.

    50% under minimum wage. That’s what waitresses are paid

    30% that’s what the waitress is expected to “tip out” to co-workers such as the hostess, the busser and the dishwasher.

    25% that’s how understaffed the average eatery is on a given night. Between call offs, resignations and the manager’s desire to maximize profits so he can get a quarterly bonus.

    20% is the number of customers who walk out without leaving a tip.

    10% is the number of customers who skip out on the bill. Some restaurants deduct that from the waitress’ check!

    Mar 11, 2008 at 4:08 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #61.1   GhostWriter bang

      Your note should be green. I will never understand the wacky PAN custom of rating.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 8:55 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #62   babycakes

    Note to Self:
    Do not be waitstaff when you grow.
    Be a babysitter. To make even more dough call yourself a Nanny but work only babysitter hours.
    Remember to read note before apply for next job.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 5:52 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #63   Agent Inspired

    What I actually find rather funny is how the authors (I’m assuming more than one) of this PAN seem intent on sabotaging their own tips: they have effectively insulted all “foreign travellers”. (Insulted people don’t generally give decent tips, see…)

    And while I’m Canadian, rather than American, and I do practice tipping… I might consider the demand for a gratuity to be in rather bad taste, and tip accordingly… that is, not at all. ;)

    If you’re going to insult your guest before you even get them a table and expect good money in return, you are in for a surprise.

    Mar 11, 2008 at 6:28 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #64   Ashley Reavis

    I’m an American and I didn’t even know about tipping until I was a teenager or so… My parents never tipped waiters… It’s so weird to me that there’s this whole system that’s been around for years and I didn’t know about it………

    Mar 11, 2008 at 9:48 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #64.1   raiseyourglass

      No offence intended, but you ate fast food and buffets a lot didn’t you?Seriously, you probably never noticed when they did. Why would you? Especialy when debit cards and credit cards are used so frequently. The first time I paid attention I thought mom left her money behind.

      Mar 11, 2008 at 10:16 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #65   Mentalblank

    I live in Australia, but have traveled across a lot of the USA, and I’ve always tipped (often I ask the waiter what they think would be fair).
    In Aussie, you don’t tip, the waiters earn a decent wage, but in a fancy restaurant you might ’round-up’ the bill if you want to. I have found dining out costs the same (or even less!) than in the US – even after the exchange rate.
    Sometimes I think the US sucks; you pay your bill, plus tax, plus a tip, and you still know the waiter is usually getting stiffed. But my withholding a tip will not create a service industry union to demand better wages. So, I pay my tip and cross my fingers that one day, things won’t be so financially hard for the servers.
    I still think the note is a little patronizing though!

    Mar 11, 2008 at 10:10 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #66   Jimbob78

    Attention Americans
    When I go to eat in your restaraunts, I go for the food not to support your fucked up economy.
    So I’ll tip what I think they deserve.

    Mar 12, 2008 at 8:23 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #66.1   lala

      oh, snap. right on.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 12:59 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #67   astra

    Did anyone read all the reviews about this place on yelp? The staff seems to have serious attitude. But the drunks don’t care – its still open and semi-popular – all the peole with hangovers seem to love it. And we all know we will eat anything when hungover!

    PS: That tofu scramble sounds uber-nasty…gak!

    Mar 12, 2008 at 8:38 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #68   mmm

    I agree that American Patrons are gutless, I’ve held my tongue along with my extra 5% more than once, but the Servers are even more gutless. Yes, it is such a shitty system to be paid nothing in hourly wages and still have to claim tips. I can only understand having to claim a percentage and pay for dine n dashers if you are making a decent hourly- but even then… But why are you putting it on the customer? Jesus, stand up for yourselves. Expecting this of customers is crazy. No other industry expects customers or end user to tip. You are a salesman, get used to it. Unless you do something better than bitching and signs like this- blaming customers- to improve your situation, nothing will ever change. “tips” will seem like they are always “getting worse”, but you know what? its the system that you are following. Become a leader servers. You think change is going to come from customers? I’m sorry but that’s just a cop out. Most of us hate to tip at all for bad service but a lot of us do to subsidize you servers. In the meantime we expect you fight for a decent wage. Believe me, we would rather the price of food go up then feel like we have to tip you for bad service.

    Mar 12, 2008 at 11:53 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #68.1   abiata

      yesss, i love you. my thoughts exactly.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 12:57 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #69   Strepsi

    This should also go under A LITTLE BIT PATRONIZING. Especially for how they single out the French. Imagine if you went to a nice restaurant in Paris, and there was a sign saying “Attention les Americains stupides…” which reminds me — If the guy is saying “OUI?” han he can’t speak English so the whole thing is moot, non?

    Mar 12, 2008 at 12:38 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #69.1   gill

      I’m with you Strepsi. If I went into a restaurant in Paris and they had a cartoon of an American stereotype, I would not be amused.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 12:59 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #70   Ana

    Unfortunately, as rude as this sign is, the stereotype of the rude French is very easy to understand for everyone.

    I made me laugh…but I am not french….

    Mar 12, 2008 at 1:02 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #70.1   Rude Frenchie

      Oh, you lazy Americans always resort to stereotypes.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 2:44 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #70.2   Amused

      hey RF, do you think you’re helping French stereotypes here ? :)
      I think this sign is actually funny, even for a Frenchman especially when you see than these stereotypes will never disappear… You’re bringing it on you guys, we just feel we have to be rude to please you !
      About the tipping policy, if you have to put a sign to remind people, you should probably hire new waiters…
      My Frenchness doesn’t stop me to tip every time but there are some standards that change from one country to another, finding out which ones is a must if you’re working in a touristic place (and probably a way to get much better tips)!
      Last but not least, if you consider this foreigner is not going to tip, it’s quite dangerous putting this kind of sign as you’re probably behaving a way that will lead to a “<10%”

      Mar 12, 2008 at 3:28 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #70.3   Rude Frenchie

      I was being ironically sarcastic, actually.

      Mar 12, 2008 at 3:47 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #71   DF

    A few comments on this thread from a long-time server:

    - The restaurant’s sign is extremely tacky. You never discuss tips unless the customer asks. And you certainly don’t insult your customers by caricaturing them. This restaurant is begging people to stiff them by posting a sign like that.

    - Wait staff make $2.13 an hour in nearly all the US. There are exception in places like New York City, which have a higher minimum wage due to much higher costs of living.

    - You tip on the pre-tax total of your bill, not the total after taxes were added.

    - Depending on policies at the individual restaurants, servers must declare 8%-10% of their sales on their taxes. At the end of the year, their total claims must equal 10% of their total sales.

    18% – Server went above and beyond the call of duty.

    13%-17% – Average to good service.

    6%-12% – Below average service.

    5% and lower – Poor service.

    - Average is obviously going to be subjective, but I’m mostly looking at the length of time I have to wait for things. I give more leeway if I happen to notice the server is also waiting on a large number of others at the same time. They get less leeway if I see them goofing around.

    - If your server gets you what you need before you’re aware that you need it, that’s above and beyond the call of duty. Also, if you’re asking for a bunch of extra things every time they come to the table, that’s above and beyond. If they make a special dessert and sing “Happy Birthday,” that’s above and beyond. If they coordinate with the kitchen to have an off-menu dish made, that’s above and beyond.

    - Below average service means that you noticed having to wait a little bit too long for things, that your server was forgetful and that there were other minor issues. One or two little things don’t make the service below average, but a few small problems can accumulate rapidly.

    - If you get poor service, it must be brought to the attention of a manager. The server obviously needs to be re-trained or needs to find another type of career. If the service wasn’t bad enough to talk to a manager, maybe it really wasn’t poor after all.

    - Luckily, people aren’t as bold in person as they are online. If people stiffed servers as much as they claimed to in this thread, going to a restaurant would be a dismal experience. The capable wait-staff would be able to find employment elsewhere, leaving only the the barely competent and people who would normally never even be considered for a job waiting tables.

    - “Reading” your customer has little to do with stereotypes and a lot to do with attitude. For instance, if a customer isn’t the least bit subtle in their contempt for a server, they’re probably going to leave a poor tip.

    - I’ve had three dine-’n-dash tables in my career. All of them were high-school-age boys.

    - Off topic, but here’s a little tip for anyone considering a dine-’n-dash: Don’t do it at a restaurant full of hostesses and busboys you go to school with.

    - Unionization isn’t possible among most wait-staff. Why? Except for those servers at the very high-end restaurants, servers can be replaced – and those replacements can be fully trained – within days. When there are five or 10 people available to take your place the moment you step out the door, you don’t have the clout needed to demand changes.

    - At most places, servers tip out bartenders and bussers. At some places, hostesses, food-runners and dishwashers are tipped out as well. That’s why servers claim 10% on their taxes. 10% of the 15% average tip is what is left over after tipping out ancillary staff.

    Mar 12, 2008 at 1:45 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #72   Nate

    If you’re a big enough loser to be hustling for tips you deserve to get stiffed.

    Get a real job!

    Mar 12, 2008 at 3:07 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #72.1   Kate

      Way to go, elitist pig!

      Mar 14, 2008 at 11:45 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #73   george

    Why the fuck is it even 20% now? I know they get paid less but in three weeks it’s gonna become 25% and keep going up as people feel they want more and more. A few people will whine about 20% not being enough and then everyone starts to do the same and suddenly a higher percentage will be the new “standard”. If the majority of waiters/waitresses cared for the people as much as their goddamn percentage of tip, they’d find they’d get paid a lot more in the end.

    Mar 12, 2008 at 5:29 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #74   b0xxx

    The servers at this place are truly horrid. The place is horrid. Go see for yourselves.

    I tip 20%. I have waited tables before. The job can be exhausting at times. So I tip on empathy. However, if the server sucked, I tip 15%. If the server sucked, and the place sucked, I don’t return. That’s my big passive aggressive move. Woo.

    I will never go to this place again. Everything about the experience is wretched. Worse, you know the waiters eat out on occasion. You know they know what mediocre service is. And they can’t even manage that. If they think the bad service is in any way IRONIC, they need to work on their acting skills because it is clear they are deeply sincere in their hatred for you, the next patron, their job, their smelly boss, the Haight, and multi-celled organisms.

    If you don’t understand how truly awful a job they are doing, go read the yelp comments.

    Mar 13, 2008 at 9:54 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #75   zoe

    I am poor. When I go out to eat, which is rarely, I try very very hard to tip. But I never have enough to guarantee 20%, and I’m usually not served particularly well, so I leave whatever I have left, usually 14% or so, and sometimes a picture of a palm tree as a thank you.

    Mar 13, 2008 at 1:41 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #75.1   Alyssa

      Many people have told me this. If you can’t afford to eat out, you can’t afford to tip.

      Plus eating at home is cheaper and better for you! :) You’d be shocked at the amount of salt in restaurant food.

      Jul 2, 2009 at 2:55 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #76   Strepsi

    Zoe that is adorable — and while it’s true, a picture of a palm tree don’t pay the rent, at least you don’t go out if you can’t afford it. Like the myth the poor can only eat at McDonald’s — last time I had a small lunch there it was $12.00!!! I mean for that I coulda bought a loaf of bread, milk, bag of rice, ground beef, apples, lettuce, and ate for 4 days! If I go to a restaurant, I order, expect good service, and tip at least 20% or not at all. Moral for people who are poor or HATE tipping: if you can’t stand the heat, stay in your OWN kitchen.

    Mar 13, 2008 at 4:34 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #76.1   angela

      I don’t know where you live, but the last time I bought a loaf of bread and a dozen eggs, it cost a little over $10.

      Mar 14, 2008 at 3:29 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #76.2   Slam

      “Moral for people who are poor or HATE tipping: if you can’t stand the heat, stay in your OWN kitchen” – Strepsi
      By that same token if you don’t like your wages get a different job

      Apr 27, 2008 at 2:28 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #76.3   Slam

      “Moral for people who are poor or HATE tipping: if you can’t stand the heat, stay in your OWN kitchen” – Strepsi
      By that same token if you don’t like your wages get a different job

      Apr 27, 2008 at 2:29 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #77   Joemama

    Quit whining. Don’t be a server if you can’t take the bad with the good. It seems like all you guys want to remember is the bad shit. Let me ask you something: do you claim all your tips when someone tips fat? Yeah, I thought so. You only have to claim 10%. All in all, you actually are beating the system, or the official term would be income tax evasion. Its not like the rest of us have the ability to not pay taxes on our income. Face it, some people suck and don’t tip, but others more than make up for what you have to claim as income. Cash income that you don’t have to claim is like making 133% of “taxable” income. Seriously, tips are extra that you earn and if you don’t believe that, you are a egotistical prick. I tip minimum of 20% by the way, in SoCal seems to be the “norm” even tho some dipshits don’t deserve a nickel.

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:24 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #78   angela


    Look. I always tip with cash only because I KNOW working in any service industry sucks ass (which is exactly why I avoided it in the first place). I know most people are fudging the numbers. Fine. But don’t bitch at me for your poor career choices. And I don’t care if you’re just working your way through college, there are other jobs you could have taken instead. If being a waitress was the only job you could get, well, then it looks like that’s your problem and you should be glad you even have a job.

    Mar 14, 2008 at 3:27 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #79   burt destruction

    So these people think that all foriegn travelers can read in English?

    Mar 14, 2008 at 4:33 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #80   Matt

    20%: great food & service … great tip
    10%: anything less than great that isn’t rude
    0%: taking your day out on me or my food

    Mar 15, 2008 at 1:02 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #81   becxyie

    i think that insted of tips the govment should just make up the pay and give it to all waiters this is for 2 resons
    1 i am tired of having to dig around in my pockets for that extra money and then feeling like an ass hole when i reilise iv only got 10p on me

    2 i spent much of my childhood seving in my parents restant for a bit of extra cash and i hated having to be nice to the dicks who would send food back because their eggs would be sliced too thin or there was too much chicken on their plates hell pepole sent stuff back because the order the food was placed on their plates was wrong and of course it was the dum waitress fault that the lettues was before the cheese my god people whats wrong with you we are talking about a £3.oo meal here when i look back i am proud of the fact that only one custmer ever ended up going home wearing their meal ( i was in the shit for that but it was worth it) =)

    Mar 15, 2008 at 11:41 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #82   Chris

    I’m never tipping a waiter ever again after I’ve heard all the whining from you all here.

    Oh, okay, one last tip: get a real job.

    Mar 15, 2008 at 12:17 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #82.1   Suzi

      Get a real excuse.

      Jun 12, 2009 at 8:23 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #83   Smokey

    Here in Australia i wait tables and currently earn $22.75 an hour ( and don’t say it’s $10 in America because of exchange rates, the AUS $ is at .95 US cents) and if i earn a tip its from foreigners. Australians don’t tip, as we get paid enough money to survive without one. Like im gonna tip someone for doing their job, i’ll go and get my own drinks and food.

    Mar 15, 2008 at 10:48 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #84   La Rêveuse

    Wrong, RP. Waitstaff is charged based on a percentage of their sales, assuming they will make at least that much in tips.

    Mar 16, 2008 at 3:43 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #85   Lurker

    The reason waiter don’t “stand up and demand a better wage” is that a good many of them are making a lot more under the current system than they would other wise, and most of it’s under the table (and untaxed). Your waitress is easily making 150% of what the cook is, and doing less actual work for it.

    Granted, you have to have the right personality to pull down top dollar as a waiter, but that’s the same in every profession. At least in a tip-based system there’s no set limit to what you can make. I’ve known professionals like teachers and nurses who quit their day jobs because they were making far more at their moonlighting jobs as waitstaff.

    Mar 16, 2008 at 4:47 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #86   spike

    This ain’t rocket science folks!

    If you don’t like to tip, eat at home.

    If you recieve lousy tips on a regular basis, you probably suck as a server.

    And remember, It’s only food!

    Next topic…

    Mar 16, 2008 at 5:29 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #87   Lurker

    I think GhostWriter was onto something; I think this note probably isn’t aimed at foreigners at all. I think it’s a lame-ass, guaranteed-to-backfire attempt to say, “Only a foriegner would have an excuse to not tip us 20%, because all you folks know that’s what we expect of you ’round these parts.”

    Mar 16, 2008 at 7:04 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #88   agong

    But really, the point here is this place sucks ASS. Who are you tipping? The waitstaff or the flies, because I guarantee you get more service from the flies!!!

    Mar 17, 2008 at 3:41 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #89   really now

    I only saw one person mention this, but keep in mind servers are paid $2.33/hour from their employers, the rest is tips. It may be up to $3.00 by now…

    So before you say, “Why should I tip someone for doing their job?” That’s just how it works here. Patrons make up a large part of the server’s income in the US, like it or not.

    When I was a waitress, my income was between $10 and $12/hour with tips, because I worked at a restaurant whose food prices were moderate. It was unusual to get stiffed or get less than 15%. Often I was getting 20% because I am good.

    I started at Olive Garden, and here’s a tip to the tippers there: when at lunch you order the all you can eat soup and salad for $6.00 and have the waitress running ragged for an hour refilling your bowls and drinks, please be considerate and tip more than .75 because of the extra labor. That’s not whining, it’s only considerate.

    Same with breakfast. It’s no less work for the waitstaff to deliver your $4.00 entree than a $15.00 but obviously the percentages are far different.

    Mar 21, 2008 at 5:47 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #89.1   Canthz_B bang

      oh please shut up…try a recent note.

      Mar 21, 2008 at 5:53 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #89.2   jane

      @ Really now: “It’s no less work for the waitstaff to deliver your $4.00 entree than a $15.00 but obviously the percentages are far different.”

      On the same line, it’s no more work to deliver a $15 meal than a $4 one. So by your own argument I could tip you less at dinner time. Thanks.

      Apr 22, 2009 at 2:53 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #90   FirstAndLastTimeHere


    I was excpecting something like the last comment from CB :P

    Mar 24, 2008 at 2:21 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #91   rosie

    Once upon a time a **TIP** was given for services above and beyond. Nowadays I see customer service falling and demand for tips rising. WTF? Do your job – barely – and get your paycheck. Do your job well, get a min. tip because I feel obligated. Do your job well and actually pay attention to me – the customer with the money – and get a good tip! Do your job well, recall it’s optional, not mandatory for me to tip you, and pretend for a few minutes that you enjoy waiting on me – I will tip you well. If tips are mandatory – just build it into the damned price. “TIPS” should be earned, not expected.

    Mar 25, 2008 at 11:42 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #92   Richard

    I am an English idiot. I thought 10% was a good tip. Have I been pissing off people accidentally?

    Mar 26, 2008 at 11:01 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #93   Olivia bang

    Wow; as someone who thought the “Dustin Who Left Shattered Glass” note was outrageously funny, I have to say this one is pretty rude.

    Mar 28, 2008 at 6:37 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #94   2 Cents

    purhaps as part of their *cough* extensive training and education, wait staff should learn that the tip originated as such:

    Tips is an acronym for “To insure prompt service” and originally was given at the beginning of the meal for this purpose. Somewhere along the line things got screwed up and tips became so common place that they were expected by servers and calculated into their daily wages. Now a waiter believes they are entitled to them regardless of of how their service is. Personally I tip very well as long as my service was normal. If the wait staff put an especially good effort into serving, and the food was good, I’ll tip bigger. If the service sucked, I make sure to fill out that tip line on the visa statement as 0.00 just to let them know I didn’t miss it. Purhaps if servers didn’t think they were entitled to a tip, but rather had to earn it, the service industry wouldn’t be the shit it is today!

    As a side note, I’ve been to a couple restaurants in Quebec, Canada where the waitress wrote on the back “Tip is not included in bill” I couldn’t understand why they would right that until I read above that they don’t tip in France. Now I know…

    Apr 1, 2008 at 12:23 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #95   Strangelove

    In my country, everything I get for what I pay for is actually included in the price. Believe it or not, but in my country the employers actually pay their waitresses!

    I pay for food, a table at which to sit, and a waiter/waitress to service me. If they accidentally set the price too low, surely it’s not my concern to compensate for that!

    Apr 6, 2008 at 5:23 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #96   Dan

    “I agree that part of our job is to allow the guest to have a good time, but there are some people YOU CANNOT please, no matter what you do. No matter how many times you refil that drink, or fetch them the ketchup/more dressing/6 and a half more lemon wedges…No matter how hard you smile as they wave or (god forbid) whistle you over while you’re at a another table. You may find it a bit more difficult to hold your tongue when it’s happening in your face as opposed to on the computer.

    We do work for tips and it IS based on our service but an asshole is an asshole. We deal with things you’d never think of (i.e. returning a $26 steak b/c they asked for it spilt and the kitchen cut it in the wrong direction). So unless you’ve worked in a restaurant and have had to deal with this, please don’t act like you understand.

    I do choose to work in the restaurant b/c I enjoy it, but it’s rude and cheap people (who act like they’re doing YOU a favor by coming in) that make it difficult.”

    Because A)any job not in a restaurant *never* has to deal with stupid people, and B)work doesn’t suck.

    “…once tips are added in, earn as much as others who work unskilled jobs that do not require a lot of education do.”

    I have two friends that work at restaurants. Both are female waitresses. Both earn way more than I do at my “unskilled” job that pays barely over the minimum wage. In fact, they bank their paycheck through direct deposit and just spend tips throughout the week. So, while I agree the system is flawed, don’t act like the fact that a waitress doesn’t get tipped well all the time makes it the worst paying job ever.

    “So keep that smile plastered across your face! And a bit of cleavage might not go astray.”

    Lol. This is probably why my two friends get so many tips. From a guy’s point of view, it isn’t always about service. I’ve tipped 50-100% at bars or restaurants with cute waitresses.

    May 20, 2008 at 8:16 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #97   Laura

    Wow, how rude, then again…i read through the first few replies and someone had put that there’s isnt a union servers can refer to? Really? I mean REALLY? How backwards is that? I can understand it if that’s so, but why would anyone let their serving industry reach a point where a tip is expected instead of an extra? I just think that puts pressure of diners and it would make me uncomfortable to think that any waiter/waitress serving me is debating how much they’re likely to get out of me before they even bring my food! For one, i occasionaly have the misfortune (being a student!) of looking rather scruffy, and being rather skint. Relying on the tip expectants would make me extremely warey of actualy eating the food! (and yes i know my spelling/gramma is apalling…that goes out to all those people that seem to stroll through life smugly commenting on those inferior sods who spent less time desiring to mimic their primary teachers…i don’t want a gold star, i want to make a lazy point! Stop marking me!)

    (sorry for the rant)

    Jun 23, 2008 at 3:24 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #98   Anon

    I travel overseas a lot in Europe, Asia, etc. I didn’t manage to put enough money in the bank by tipping 20% of a bill just because someone did their job. Sorry, kids, you’ll have to find someone else to foot the bill for your college (its not like you’d come out smart, anyway, just wordy, which is annoying…)

    Jun 24, 2008 at 11:03 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #99   bobby

    Let me add to this conversation: Waiters aren’t tipped based on how good the service is, they are tipped based on how much the food costs. Kind of. 20% of a cup of coffee is still a really shitty tip. But if I order something really small that is really expensive and doesn’t require more work or more connection, I”m still expected to tip well. Sort of. Really I just feel guilty with whatever tip I leave, even when I go home and calculate it and find out it’s actually 30%. It never seems like enough.

    Jul 23, 2008 at 2:16 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #100   FindMySublime

    I don’t want to be a jerk, but you have got to be kidding me with all this BS about the plight of the waitress/waiter. I can never understand why tips are considered mandatory in the US, esp when the server is an ass. What makes them so much more special than other workers?

    The people I know who work in restaurants are getting $8.50 an hour and their tips is around that much as well. Basically getting paid $17 per hour. Maybe that is just how it is in Northern California, I don’t how it is in other areas.

    Btw. I do tip. When I am in a good mood and the server was amazing, I have tipped up to 40%. If someone is just a complete dick, I pay for my meal and write FUCK YOU on the bill. I believe in getting what you deserve.

    Aug 21, 2008 at 5:53 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #101   Your Mom's a Waitress

    I have been a waitress for a few years on and off. I’d love to know where waitstaff is supposedly making $8 + an hour ’cause I will hit the ground running there. In Massachusetts the pay rate is, get this, $2.63 an hour. That’s right kids. That’s not even enough to cover your taxes for the year. Some waitstaff actually OWE a shit ton of cash in taxes at the end of the year. It is not our fault the government decides the wages should be ridiculously low for regularly tipped services. The restaurants do not pay us, YOU DO!

    On a side note, strippers have it even worse! They do not get paid AT ALL! In fact, every time they walk into the club, they are negative up to $100 dollars. They have to pay the house fees, tip the bouncers and DJ. So when those girls are shaking all they got, just give her a goddamed dollar will ya?

    Oct 12, 2008 at 4:34 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #101.1   FindtheSublime

      Oh wow. I can’t imagine living off $2.63 an hour! That is just wrong! I am sorry. Over in Santa Cruz, CA, the minimum wage is $8.25, and I know several restaurants there have a starting wage of $10.50. However, it is a small town, and it may be hard to find work there.

      Dec 1, 2008 at 5:47 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #101.2   Alyssa

      In Ontario, minimum general wage is around 8.75/hr. Servers are around the 7.50 mark. Maybe it’s more now. Sundays to Thursdays rake in $30 to $60 a night + $30+ in wages, depending on how well you do your job and what time you start. Fridays and Saturdays are in the $50 to $100+ range.

      I tip 10% for mediocre service, 12% for good service, 15% for great service and 17%+ for excellent service. We’re people too!

      Jul 2, 2009 at 2:51 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #102   Tech Guy

    WTF? I thought 15% was customary…

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:12 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #103   atom

    I find it so tacky when establishments put up signs like this. If this is their attitude then FUCK THEM. I’ve worked in the service industry longer than I haven’t. It pisses me off when people try to guilt me into tipping.

    Dec 9, 2008 at 12:48 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #104   Coyote bang

    I’d like to apologize for necro-posting, but… actually, I have no desire to apologize, what am I thinking?

    Anyway, here’s the deal:

    In most places in the US, minimum wage for a restaurant server is ridiculously low because it is traditional for servers to be given tips.

    In _some_ places in the US (like california), servers are paid at least minimum wage, _plus_ tips. But then, in case nobody has noticed, those places are also way more expensive to live.

    Now, I almost always tip at least 20%. I tip more for breakfast, because as the prior poster mentioned, my server is working just as hard for items that cost a fraction of a dinner, and would otherwise make very little.

    I also sometimes tip more when I’m getting really amazing service, and sometimes when I’m just getting good service from a server who I’ve just watched get shafted by a group of twenty bitchy, demanding, aggravating people who leave a huge mess and a $2 tip.

    Now, if my server gives me crappy service, I might call their attention to it by leaving a 10% or 15% tip.

    By the point where I’m ready to leave a %10 tip, or not leave a tip at all, that’s also the point where I’m going to ask to speak to a manager before I leave.

    By the time I’m willing to stiff a server on the tip, I’m thinking “This asshole knows they depend on their tips, and yet they have gone out of their way to be rude, snotty, or completely careless of the person they’d be getting the thing they need from.”

    Someone who hasn’t enough concern for their own well-being to do their job the bare minimum needed to get paid by me isn’t someone I want to reward. Perhaps if they keep getting shitty tips, they’ll go work somewhere else, and let a real waiter/waitress/server have the job.

    May 11, 2009 at 2:49 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #105   spooky

    As a former restaurant manager I can assure you that servers are not people who can’t get any other job. It takes incredible skill to serve well and many people are not able to master it.

    I never base my tip on the food prices entirely because the breakfast server in a local cafe where I often eat breakfast (juice,2 eggs, potatoes, bacon AND toast) can be had for $5 because she works just as hard as a server in a fancy dinner restaurant where an entree is $60. She will get at least 100% as a tip less than $5 would embarass me. If she’s good I may “round up” the check to $20 and her tip is 300%. If the $60 entree server is lousy, she’ll get the same $5. Even if she’s stellar, she won’t get 300%. IF she really is that good, she’ll get the same $15 the other server got.

    If my tip totals less than $5, I always explain why to the server so she can make better tips.

    And as to stiffing her costing her–it sure as hell does. Maybe you think that making sure she gets minimum wage is adequate but every good server I know is making $25-$40/hr so they all pay taxes on 10% of your check even if you give them $0.

    As to the sign? I don’t know. I feel someone should make sure people know that times are different than they were 70 yrs ago and tipping is no longer at all optional in restaurants, but it seems, somehow, wrong.

    Jul 19, 2009 at 7:49 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #106   CA

    I tip based on the final cost of my soft drink. If a server refills my drink enough times, to where it averages only 40 cents a glass, I tip 20%. If an establishment offers free refills, and I get only 1, then I give 10%. If there are no free refills, I drink water.

    Jul 19, 2009 at 10:25 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #107   Ermott

    75% of servers out there aren’t worth 10%. Seriously. You carry plates of food to my table, and you feel this is worth 20%? How about I get it from the pass-thru myself next time, at least then it’ll be warm.

    Sep 30, 2009 at 7:15 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #108   kim

    In NZ we never tip. I can’t imagine paying extra money on top of the food cost, what a stupid system!

    Sep 30, 2009 at 10:41 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up


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