the finest, most literary vagrants

April 29th, 2008 · 81 comments

writes an anonymous student at binghamton university: “some grad students are mad about the teaching load for TAs, so they have been putting up these posters in order to raise awareness.”

adds our submitter (with a yawn): “i am now more aware of how douche-y they are.”

Disgruntled Graduate Students 2

Disgruntled Graduate Students Disgruntled Graduate Students 3

Disgruntled Graduate Students 4

related: or take a cab!!!

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81 responses so far ↓

  • #1   César

    why is this site not telling people to go vote for them in the webby awards?

    Apr 29, 2008 at 6:48 pm   rating: 0  

     
  • #2   zchamu

    Ah, the hyperbole of overeducated, overentitled grad students. I’d love to see some of these douchebags chucked into a culture where their rights are truly oppressed. Nothing more fun than seeing someone’s own attitudes come back to haunt them in UFIA kinda way.

    Apr 29, 2008 at 6:57 pm   rating: 0  

    • #2.1   Galimatia

      Um, many of them may fail to recognize that it is a luxury to attend grad school in the first place, but I can tell you as a former TA at SUNY-Binghamton–I finished an MA there a few years ago, TAs there are expected to grade all of the papers for the professor they are “assisting,” hold at least 2 lecture and discussion sessions per week, hold office hours every week, and basically TEACH not assist in teaching. Perhaps it has changed, but when I was a TA there, I received a ridiculously low stipend and a tuition waiver for each semester I TA-ed (not enough to live on–you have to take out student loans to supplement books, cost of living, etc.). The issue here is that SUNY uses TAs as if they were adjuncts and is essentially creating a system of academic temp workers so that they don’t have to create as many tenure track spots and pay people benefits and a fair salary for teaching. It’s actually pretty exploitative, and you may want to look into the details before you make snap judgments. I ended up TA-ing for another department just to make ends meet, and spent far more time doing the same work for which full-time profs were getting paid than I did on my own studies. It’s unfair to the students, the TAs, and it’s unfair to the potential pool of candidates the university would have to hire if they couldn’t rely on the nearly free labor of TAs.

      Apr 29, 2008 at 8:12 pm   rating: +9  

       
    • #2.2   Quite Contrary

      Galimatia: Thanks for the insight, but it will go in one ear and out the other as we make wildly misinformed, inappropriate and often off- and off-off topic observations. In other words, we can’t let FACTS get in the way of our fun.

      Apr 29, 2008 at 8:17 pm   rating: +6  

       
    • #2.3   Ben

      Galimatia: All good points, but I think you could have made your argument stronger if you used a slightly ironic and P/A statement and paired it with some nonsensical photo.

      Apr 29, 2008 at 8:22 pm   rating: +7  

       
     
  • #3   Quite Contrary

    What? No clip art? We can’t be expected to understand without clip art.

    Apr 29, 2008 at 7:09 pm   rating: +2  

    • #3.1   Ben

      I agree. I’m not real clear on what they are protesting. Empty classrooms with only one desk? Butting heads while in cardboard boxes? The use of speed at a corporate university?

      Apr 29, 2008 at 7:20 pm   rating: +1  

       
    • #3.2   RunBarbara

      I did speed once. I took apart every radio on the block and put it back together in less than forty five minutes. Then I duct taped a flash light to the handle bars of my bike and went mattress hunting in alleys. All I got was scabies and road rash.

      Apr 29, 2008 at 8:57 pm   rating: +3  

       
    • #3.3   fdas0pufasd

      Maybe if the person provided some fucking context, you wouldn’t be so confused. How about the violation of a contract? We signed a contract to work 20 hours a week, and this contract was broken by administration. Our workload was doubled, and we were not compensated for the additional work. I realize we’re privileged, and I’m sorry if many of you don’t understand the signs or agree with the premise behind our protest. The signs are meant for a specialized audience and they are being used in conjunction with a union grievance.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 10:32 pm   rating: +2  

       
    • #3.4   Sarcastic Monkey

      If someone provided a “fucking context”, then we’d be talking about sex not TAs you idiot.

      May 1, 2008 at 10:31 am   rating: 0  

       
    • #3.5   Ben

      Perhaps the TA’s should also petition to get their senses of humor back

      May 1, 2008 at 6:09 pm   rating: 0  

       
    • #3.6   zoe

      I actually think that “most literary vagrants” sign is fucking delici0us.

      May 5, 2008 at 5:13 pm   rating: +1  

       
    • #3.7   Meli

      As a student currently attending SUNY Binghamton, I can attest to the fact that, for the most part, TAs in general bite the big one. They unfairly grade papers by letting their biases getting in the way of giving actual constructive criticism, have a tendency to skip a few lectures and therefore can’t even give clarification on the lecture notes, and complain that no one visits them during office hours, even though doing so would be no help anyway.
      While this is probably the University’s fault in overloading the TAs, it doesn’t give them any excuse for slacking off, especially the ones who have TA-ed classes before.
      In short, stop bitching, you basically get what you pay for, cheap tuition=cheap labor.

      May 7, 2008 at 4:12 pm   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #4   Wade

    Apparently, at Binghamton, it is a slippery slope from hamstercide to forced labor for teaching assistants.

    When will we learn.

    Apr 29, 2008 at 7:13 pm   rating: +1  

    • #4.1   honeyedhemlock

      Please step away from that thermostat!

      Apr 30, 2008 at 12:26 am   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #5   secondsout

    These notes are code for: “please don’t write any letters of recommendation for me to get jobs after grad school.”

    Apr 29, 2008 at 7:32 pm   rating: +1  

     
  • #6   Canthz_B

    Time on your hands in college to think up dumb signs = Virgin Geeks not invited to tonight’s kegger.

    Apr 29, 2008 at 8:02 pm   rating: +2  

     
  • #7   Paul G

    Are those photos of Foucault and Derrida in the top row of flyers? I can’t make out the others.

    No protest without a lit base, clearly :o ).

    Apr 29, 2008 at 8:23 pm   rating: 0  

     
  • #8   Quite Contrary

    Take a look at the grammar! Ending a sentence in a preposition? Inappropriate capitalization? Fragments? Are we really sure these grad students should be teaching?

    Apr 29, 2008 at 8:29 pm   rating: 0  

    • #8.1   Sarah

      Don’t forget missed commas (in the “cheap fast and tastes bad” sign.)

      In a way, this proves their point. Getting an education clearly isn’t what they’re there for.

      Apr 29, 2008 at 9:27 pm   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #9   amazon

    Aww, poor grad students and their free tuition and living stipends. Try being a law student and paying $150K over the course of 3 years for the privilege of being grilled and berated by your professors, while not being allowed to work your first year (ABA rules), and then being expected to intern for free.

    Granted, if you do it right, it pays off in the long run, but it sucks starting out your professional career six figures in the hole.

    Apr 29, 2008 at 8:34 pm   rating: 0  

    • #9.1   clarity

      Amazon you are so very wrong… law students have it so much better! Grad students may have reduced fees (reduced not eliminated) but in exchange they are expected to teach, grade, hold discussion sections, keep office hours, answer student emails, conduct research for their advisors, conduct their own research, and attend classes too.

      And after some 5-9 years of making $14,000 or so a year and racking up loan debt they have no hope of earning six figures. So yeah, law school students can suck it!

      Apr 30, 2008 at 1:33 am   rating: +1  

       
    • #9.2   ALA

      AMEN! I only make $12k. In addition to research, conferences (that we have to go to, but have to pay for ourselves), grading, office hours, etc., I teach my own upper division class. It’s a writing-intensive 50 student class – the minimum # for TA-taught classes. The full professor teaching the same course has 35 students & 6 times the pay.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 8:07 am   rating: +1  

       
    • #9.3   claw71

      Isn’t anybody thinking of the grad students?

      What about the poor, poor grad students?

      Suffer the little grad students, for they are but innocent lambs.

      Now, will that pity party be sufficient or do we need to set ourselves on fire too?

      Apr 30, 2008 at 8:34 am   rating: 0  

       
    • #9.4   RunBarbara

      I definitely think this calls for a burnt effigy, some gnashing of teeth and a memorial statue to commemorate the sacrifice of the poor put-upon grad students.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 9:45 am   rating: 0  

       
    • #9.5   Lorelie

      “And after some 5-9 years of making $14,000 or so a year and racking up loan debt they have no hope of earning six figures.”

      This will probably make me look incredibly naive but:
      If they’re gonna end up racking up all that debt anyway, why not take the loans out to begin with, *not* TA, have time for your studies and get out in 2-4 years?

      Apr 30, 2008 at 11:19 am   rating: 0  

       
    • #9.6   unholyghost2003

      Where I went to Grad school (don’t know if it is the same everywhere) Not TAing wasn’t an option. being a TA was built into many of your classes (so you got Grades for TAing, not $), but then again it was an Art School, so were were paid for the hours we worked on other people’s show projects (meaning we were skilled labor at unskilled labor prices for other productions but were unpaid for our own assigned productions)

      Apr 30, 2008 at 11:52 am   rating: 0  

       
    • #9.7   SailorAlphaCentauri

      I’m actually going to be starting my master’s/Ph.D program this fall [I have a master's, but because Library and Information Science is considered a "professional" degree and not an "academic" one, I have to get another M.A. before I can start on the Ph.D] and the only reason why I am not TAing this year is because I was blessed/cursed with a fellowship. The upside is that I’ll be able to concentrate on school without working (not allowed to work based on the stipulations of the fellowship), but the downside is that I will be taking so many hours per quarter that I’ll be over the hours I need for the M.A. within the year (and I’ll still need to take out loans because the coverage is not enough).

      Even after all of this, I will have to TA because my department [Comparative Studies] is so unproven at the university that I have to show that I can teach in two disciplines. They say I can take a research assistanceship instead of TAing, but I’ll still be forced to teach in the end.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 2:12 pm   rating: +1  

       
    • #9.8   clarity

      Yes, what the others said.! Grad students are a type of indentured servant that universities have to have. Universities rely on them to handle much of the undergrad teaching and grading duties…if we just took the loans and got out in 2-3 years there would be no one to teach for almost no money and no one to grade the papers for those huge several hundred person courses.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 9:18 pm   rating: +1  

       
     
  • #10   RunBarbara

    I did all my learnin on the streets (like Jay Z and Dr. Dre). You don’t see me writing notes. I work at the cannery, I feed my family and I shop at Wal Mart like a real American.

    Apr 29, 2008 at 8:55 pm   rating: +4  

    • #10.1   tinkerbell2

      ha ha! team Real Americans.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 8:07 am   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #11   Jinx

    so, P/A signs are the great evener. they make you look like a dumbass whether you’re young, old, or a grad student.
    O O

    Apr 29, 2008 at 9:05 pm   rating: +4  

     
  • #12   NoPunIntended

    Strangely enough, I had a TA who looked just like one of the guys in the first picture, and he talked just like he had a box over his head… weird. It must be a coincidence… or there’s just lame TA’s everywhere.

    Apr 29, 2008 at 9:07 pm   rating: 0  

     
  • #13   Sarah

    The “B-I-N-G-O” sign is a fine example of indecipherable literature, up there with Ulyssses.

    Apr 29, 2008 at 9:28 pm   rating: 0  

     
  • #14   Exploitation Anonymous

    To those who are quick to dismiss and to judge (including the submitter), I recommend going to the source blog:

    http://subaltered.blogspot.com/

    for more information (as well as more signs and entertaining comments streams) about the campaign. Also this website:

    http://howtheuniversityworks.com/wordpress/

    gives further context about the appalling current conditions of academic labor. It’s not just a lunatic fringe who are passive aggressively upset. The problem is everywhere, and it’s getting worse.

    Apr 30, 2008 at 3:02 am   rating: +1  

    • #14.1   claw71

      What’s the emitcon for a binky?

      First of all, let’s keep thje lunatic fringe out of this discussion. You insult them by insinuating they would be so trifling.

      The last time I checked people choose their courses. The long list of alternatives to bitching and moaning includes transferring or–and it’s a reach–getting a bachelor’s degree that translates to reality so you can go to work and maybe get a real Masters in your free time.

      I really hate when people jump into something with eyes wide open only to expect the rest of us to hold a vigil when things get tough.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 12:40 pm   rating: 0  

       
    • #14.2   Zsa

      I’m sorry but when you’ve spent 18 years “in school” to postpone paying on your student loans- don’t complain that the only job you can get is low-paying with high demands. Go work at McDonalds to get beer money.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 4:46 pm   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #15   jaywalke

    You are learning the truth about academe, not just grad school. If you think things will be different once you get that fleece, I have a bridge to sell you. This ain’t your grandad’s higher education. At least you’ve seen the light early enough to possibly make a different choice.

    (Sent from inside the big white tower, scrawled on a blank drop form.)

    Suggested reading: rateyourstudents.blogspot.com

    Apr 30, 2008 at 7:40 am   rating: 0  

    • #15.1   fdas0pufasd

      Anyone in graduate school knows about RYS. I’ve been reading that for about seven years. We’re not as poorly read as so many of you think.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 10:25 pm   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #16   claw71

    Masters of Arts? Yeah, that’s a real useful degree right there. Let’s put that on the wall next to your sixth grade art ribbon. Loser.

    The problem is that these pampered little beatniks are so used to cruising through life that the minute somebody asks them to do something resembling work they get cranky and post PANs everywhere.

    Apr 30, 2008 at 8:31 am   rating: 0  

    • #16.1   RunBarbara

      My degree reads something like RunBarbara, Master of the Universe. I think it’s from the University of Greyskull.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 9:46 am   rating: +2  

       
    • #16.2   aaa

      It’s like in Avenue Q. “What do you do with a BA in English?”

      Either they’re pampered beatniks, or they’re those “smart” kids who never had to try to excel in high school and are fucking lost once they get to college since they *gasp* actually use effort to get an average grade. I’m guessing that these little PA-muffins went to an easy school for their undergrad crap and had their parents foot the bill. For everything. Thus, they mutated into entitled, slavering man-children who just don’t get it.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 2:17 pm   rating: 0  

       
    • #16.3   aaa

      Come to think of it, that is a lot like the pampered beatnik thing. Damn. ‘Cept my theory has less turtlenecks.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 2:55 pm   rating: 0  

       
    • #16.4   fdas0pufasd

      you guessed wrong.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 10:36 pm   rating: 0  

       
    • #16.5   unholyghost2003

      oooh is the Ghost gonna have to choke a bitch?

      Apr 30, 2008 at 10:38 pm   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #17   cre8tivewmn

    Wow, just wow! What a lot of creative PA goodness for us to look at today! I wish the pictures were a little higher quality though, it is hard to read some of the notes.

    I understand that those involved want us to understand the situation behind the notes. But if you step back a moment, as the submitter did, you will see why we find them interesting.

    Douche-y?

    Apr 30, 2008 at 8:59 am   rating: 0  

     
  • #18   Sheepish

    I’m mostly disappointed in the poor choice of picture for vagrants.
    Really? I’m sure Google images has a much better representation of homelessness.

    Apr 30, 2008 at 9:16 am   rating: 0  

     
  • #19   grumpygranolagirl

    We wrote “KSU Degrees — Take One” above every toilet paper dispenser on campus.

    Kent Read, Kent Write, Kent State!

    Apr 30, 2008 at 9:22 am   rating: +1  

    • #19.1   SavageCarmina

      Brilliant.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 10:34 am   rating: 0  

       
    • #19.2   claw71

      Kent State.

      I live in Columbus and but I was raised not all that far from Kent. We’re closing in on May 4th which is the anniversary of the Kent State shootings of 1970.

      What irks me is every year I crack open the paper and I see a picture of some 19 year-old crying her eyes out. Is that part of a drama class project or what?

      Look, it was a horrible but it was almost 40 years ago. I sometimes think people cry so they can be in the paper. I know somebody who was there and she stopped crying about it 30 years ago.

      If you don’t believe the somber showing is a ruse just come back on May 5th and watch the same dingbats who were bawling their eyes out a day earlier funnel Coronas like their midterm grades depend on it.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 11:25 am   rating: 0  

       
    • #19.3   Quite Contrary

      Not just brilliant. Effin brilliant.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 12:31 pm   rating: 0  

       
    • #19.4   Mel

      hey fellow Kent Stater. So rare I see some one from Kent – thought I’d just say Hi.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 2:30 pm   rating: 0  

       
    • #19.5   grumpygranolagirl

      Go Flashes!

      I return to Kent State every year for the commemoration. I’ll be there Saturday for the overnight vigil and all day on Sunday.

      It should be a good event: Scott Ritter, former UN weapons inspector is the keynote speaker.

      I wasn’t alive in 1970, but my B.A. is in Peace Studies which was created after the events in 1970.

      aaa’s comment: “Either they’re pampered beatniks, or they’re those “smart” kids who never had to try to excel in high school..” really hit home for me. :) So did comments from the other law school survivors. (Who knew I wouldn’t be able to make a living with Peace Studies? har har har)

      Apr 30, 2008 at 2:57 pm   rating: 0  

       
    • #19.6   gordfam

      Those funneled caronas were fucking delicious!
      :’(

      Apr 30, 2008 at 6:00 pm   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #20   unholyghost2003

    Having been a Grad Student myself and being in the age range that many of my friends are Grad Students (and recent J.D.’s amazon) I have to say that while I sympathize with the plight of these Grad Students, clearly SUNY Binghamton Grad Students are not very bright (with the exception of Galimatia, of course) … at other schools the grad students form a UNION and go on STRIKE, they don’t post angsty signs in the hope that the drunken undergrads will start a letter writing campaign on their behalf.

    Apr 30, 2008 at 11:04 am   rating: 0  

    • #20.1   claw71

      It’s SUNY, their Masters has as much clout as a certificate of completion from Sylvan.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 11:27 am   rating: 0  

       
    • #20.2   fdas0pufasd

      We are actively working with the union. And we are never going on strike, because of people like the original poster of this thread. Not all of us find it a problem that the courseload was raised from one course to two, without an increase in pay. In fact, they’re ready and willing to stab their colleagues in the back to validate their opposition to solidarity.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 10:41 pm   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #21   Lorelie

    If they’re not there to get an education, how do they become literary?

    Apr 30, 2008 at 11:21 am   rating: 0  

     
  • #22   Oveta

    I’ve never seen a college that didn’t use their TAs in this manner. What’s the gripe?

    Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 am   rating: 0  

    • #22.1   fdas0pufasd

      The violation of a contract. Our teaching load was doubled from one course to two, without an increase in pay.

      Apr 30, 2008 at 10:37 pm   rating: 0  

       
     
  • #23   claw71

    I think we need to rework Johnny Cash’s Folesome Prison Blues for these poor grad students:

    Just keep them grades a comin’
    Scoring papers until 10
    And I aint’ seen the sunshine since I don’t know when
    I’m stuck in SUNY grad school, and time keeps dragging on
    But that degree it’s got me slaving, right down to the bone

    When I was just a junior, my momma told me, “Son
    We don’t have college money so go to Binghamton
    Then so I took a student loan out just to apply
    When I see the TA Schedule I hang my head and cry

    I bet the Administration’s all driving fancy cars
    They’re drinking gourmet coffee and eating breakfast bars
    Well I knew that it was coming, it was in the syllabus
    But I still feel like some bitching
    Because it validates us

    If I graduate from college
    And I have a nice degree
    I’ll still feel like a victim because that’s how I like to be
    I hate SUNY B-ton They took my life away
    So I’ll be bitter and that’s just how I’ll stay

    Apr 30, 2008 at 1:00 pm   rating: 0