Spinal manipulation

June 26th, 2008 · 240 comments

After messing up his back, Clay in Knoxville figured he’d give a chiropractor a shot. But when the doc he saw refused to show him the x-rays he’d taken until after a “seminar” about payment plans — oh, and treatment options — Clay decided to take his aching back elsewhere. A few days later, he got this caring follow-up letter in the mail.

I am sorry you do not take your health seriously. When you decide to make your health a priority, please know we are available to help you.

UPDATE: Too good to be true, you say? Clay clarifies: “The reason I didn’t block out the “Woodacre” is that it was wrong — it was wrong on my charts and I pointed it out to the receptionist. One page even had a “verified by” signature on it and ALL my information was wrong. I have no idea how they got the address right on the envelope and wrong on the letterhead (the same as on the paperwork I pointed out to them), but they did.”

related: Happy to be of service

FILED UNDER: "customer service" · a little patronizing · Knoxville · oh-so-sincerely · Tennessee · thanks (but not really)


240 responses so far ↓

  • #1   catherine

    wow, this is like a drawn out “i’m sorry that you suck”. what a gem!

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:00 am   rating: 19  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   Ryan

      But what about the children??!!!???

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:07 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.2   Michael

      This is a hoax. There’s no Woodacre or “Wood Acre” Road in Knoxville, TN. At least not according to google and mapquest. Nice one, though.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 4:04 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.3   trixare4kids

      Michael, whoever you are, you stole MY comment made flickr, without crediting me, you plagiarizer!
      http://www.flickr.com/photos/8326992@N08/2611808291/

      Jun 26, 2008 at 5:12 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.4   Aurelie

      @Michael- he even states in his post that Woodacre is incorrect, thus making this not a hoax.

      Jun 18, 2009 at 3:08 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #2   Mark bang

    I totally sympathize with this! I went to a “health screening” (i.e. some dude looked at me as I stood in front of him) at a chiropractor booth at a beer festival recently, the dude found (surprise) that my spine is misaligned, and the chiropractor has called me at least three times a day since then. I recognize the phone number after the first couple calls trying to sucker me into an appointment, and now I ignore it. I must not take my health seriously enough.

    Sincerely,
    Mark
    B.S.Ch.E., M.S.E., P.E.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:03 am   rating: 29  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   zombieBlanco bang

      peb schemes?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:42 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.2   secondsout bang

      I once heard the advice that you don’t go to a lawyer, doctor or dentist who advertises. Good practitioners don’t need advertisement; they should get the word-of-mouth referrals. Whether or not you believe chiropractic is quackery, any reputable chiropractor is not likely to be setting up shop at a beer festival. Did this dude offer to sell you any snake oil while he was there?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:14 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.3   anglophile bang

      If this does not convince you of the evils of drinking, Mark, I don’t know what will!

      ;)

      Jun 26, 2008 at 7:11 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.4   Mark bang

      :) Yeh, I’d had a couple at the time, so I was slouching a little. And my inhibitions were lowered, so I didn’t flinch at giving out my phone number (which I’m usually reticent to do). I’m paying for it now. 3 calls yesterday — 10am, 1:30pm, 6:30pm. 2 the day before. I ignored them all. Yes, a little P-A, I know… I’m wondering when they’ll figure out that I’m not interested.

      Sout, I think you’re right, I should have known better than to trust a chiropractor who advertises at a beer festival (and of course finds something wrong with everybody that stops at his booth). There was no snake oil, but there was a spinal alignment gajiggeridoo, basically a frame with several strings that can slide around. You stand in front of it, and the guy slides string around behind you, assumedly corresponding to your spinal alignment (though I have no reason to believe it is correct…) and then you step away and look and… surprise, it’s all out of alignment! Surely you want to come in for a health screening and x-ray! Only $40, normally $250!!!1!

      OK, enough babbling.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:42 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.5   EyeHeartA2

      WOW. All those titles. I’m impressed. You have more degrees than a thermometer.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:03 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.6   Ruth

      Wait– you went to a health screening at a beer festival and didn’t expect it to be some kind of scam in which a “doctor” convinces drunk people they need to come to his clinic? Were you drunk?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:03 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.7   Amanda

      I, too, had a similar experience with a “drop your business card in this box for a free massage (and ahem ahem in small print a consultation). It is unfortunate that there are so many smarmy chiropractors – even if the whole practice isn’t bunk (jury’s still out) these sniveling guys just have nothing positive to counteract my or anyone else’s suspicions.

      Jun 30, 2008 at 1:29 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.8   Dr.T

      It’s unfortunate that there are poor examples and “smarmy” practitioners in every field–they tend to be the “loudmouth at the party” and are often in the limelight, much to the chagrin of the rest of the profession.
      As secondsout says above, most of my referrals come from word-of-mouth, but new practitioners are often forced by their employers or encouraged by their “marketing gurus” to make bad choices in how they present themselves to the public. I’ve had to do all kinds of marketing over the years I’ve been practicing–I’m not proud of some of those events, but sometimes one has to do what one needs to do to put food on the table, even if it means lowering yourself down a notch or three…

      Jul 9, 2008 at 11:56 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #3   The Great Joe Bivins

    If you wish to avoid dying, please give me a call and I’m sure I’ll drop whatever I’m doing and see you immediately! That is if you would like to not die.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:06 am   rating: 31  small thumbs up

     
  • #4   zombieBlanco bang

    That loopy-ass signature is scary even tho’ it’s partially blacked-out. Sends shivers up my spine just imagining being manipulated by this freak.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:09 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   Mishee bang

      I wonder what happened to our resident Criminologist and his handwriting analysis.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:33 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.2   bellabeastie

      Hmm — good question. Maybe he had a “big job” with the CIA and is in the witness protection program because of his boundless knowledge.

      Team call Homeland Security and hope he has the bathroom key cuz he may be in there for a while.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:59 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #5   PANU bang

    After they got all his money, I’m sure they wouldn’t take his health seriously either.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:13 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

     
  • #6   Conlan

    U.S. Mail, professional letterhead… Maybe he really is sorry. This one’s a hall-of-famer.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:17 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

     
  • #7   leigh

    What a crock!

    I’m sending this to my chiropractor because I know that he’ll get a kick out of it.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:18 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   GoodNamesGone

      Totally.

      My Chiro wouldn’t touch my back till he showed me the x-rays, and made sure I understood what was wrong and was sure I wanted him to do something.

      And when it came to pricing, there was no seminar, it was him looking at my co-pay and telling me what worked. Even before he looked at my insurance he said he’d try his best to make it reasonably priced if I didn’t have medical.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:02 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #8   Sarah bang

    His signature looks like a freaking EKG.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:45 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #9   secondsout bang

    I already don’t take chiropractors seriously. This note is just another reason why.

    A friend of mine had a father who was a chiropractor. He was claiming that if you are marked as an organ donor, then the people in the ER will just let you die so that they can harvest your organs. He claimed to know because his dad was a doctor. Oh, a doctor? Funny, I could have sworn that chiropractors don’t have much access to emergency rooms.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 2:08 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   amazon

      Duh! Everyone know that if you have the organ donor sticker on your drivers license, when you go to the emergency room, they’ll harvest your ograns, whether or not you’re even dying.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 8:01 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.2   secondsout bang

      And there’s documented proof!!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 8:12 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #10   Canthz_B bang

    Please be advised that attending our almost-free “payment seminar” is essential to your good health.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 2:37 am   rating: 19  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   Burghardt

      Please be advised that attending our almost-free “payment seminar” is essential to your our good health.

      there, fixed.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:42 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #11   Pants

    I had a chiropractor yell to his receptionist (in front of a full waiting room) to cancel my remaining appointments because I couldn’t take his pain anymore. Those freaking adjustments were HELL.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 3:12 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

     
  • #12   Tyler bang

    My Dad visited a chiropractor once and felt better after his first appointment. He didn’t feel better at the end of it when the “Doctor” came out with a schedule to come and see him weekly for the next several months.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 3:36 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #12.1   ljchan

      One time, at band camp, I had to go to the chiropractor because I was feeling out of tune.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:38 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #13   Burghardt

    Q: How many chiropractors does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    A: Just one, but it will require 3 sessions a week for six weeks.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 3:40 am   rating: 26  small thumbs up

    • #13.1   expletive

      *rimshot*

      Jun 27, 2008 at 1:17 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.2   Amanda

      Perfect.

      Jun 30, 2008 at 1:32 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.3   Joey's Stinky Foot

      Only six weeks?
      When I was 16 my mother signed us both up for chiropractic therapy at some town fair. Bless her gullible heart, she thought it would help me because I had scoliosis. We had to come in three times a flipping week and at first it seemed to help…that was, until the chiropractor didn’t really seem to give a damn anymore and had begun to make me feel as if I was wasting HIS precious time. He’d rush in and take about 15 seconds to give me adjustments that were so rough they were painful, and I actually had to tell him to tone it down. He always seemed to have time to ask about payments, though. Eventually I told my mother that I refused to go anymore because the adjustments were painful and it wasn’t doing anything to relieve the pain from my scoliosis. My mom complied easily, whereas the chiropractic office gave me that whole song and dance about how I apparently don’t care about my health. I snapped right back telling them that, on the contrary, I do care about my health–and that’s why I quit the chiropractor.
      If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck…

      Jul 1, 2008 at 11:15 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #14   cricket bang

    the chiro forgot to list his Ph.D in P-A.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 6:15 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   Joey's Stinky Foot

      Ph.D? What’s that?

      signed,
      The Chiropractor

      Jul 1, 2008 at 11:17 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #15   Rev Matt

    This is standard practice for chiros. News flash: if they have to engage in emotional manipulation and hard sells it’s probably because they can’t get repeat business.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 6:51 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

     
  • #16   Troy McClure bang

    I really thought the way you talked was neat
    The other day with the office staff who work for me
    But you’re staying out of reach
    I guess you’d rather go to the beach
    And I’m scared that we won’t meet—I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you

    You’re the only one who can decide you’re gonna take
    Your health seriously, and get rid of that back-ache
    It would really make my day
    If you’d visit lots (and pay)
    Please know we are available to help you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you

    But you’re always out of reach
    I guess you’d rather go to the beach
    And I’m scared that we won’t meet
    I’ve got bills to pay, can’t you see
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    I want to touch you
    Touch you, touch you, touch you, touch you, touch you

    (Here’s the original)

    Jun 26, 2008 at 7:24 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   Max

      Brilliant!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 8:19 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #16.2   C

      I was scrolling through the comments and the mock Catherine Wheel lyrics caught me off guard! Love your reworked song, love the original–just saw Rob D. perform last night in Philly.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 9:27 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #17   Canthz_B bang

    Can you imagine having someone who is about the manipulate your spine asking you if your payments are up to date?
    The correct answer is a loud “Yes!”

    Jun 26, 2008 at 8:14 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #18   RALPHY

    I think I’d perfer to remain spinless, rather than submit to a siminar on “Payment plans and treatment options”. It’s not like I really need my spine if this quack makes a booboo.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 8:51 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   Bellabeastie

      “spinless”

      ????

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:13 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.2   park rose bang

      Cut the guy some slack. It was his response to the rejection letter from the Whirling Dervish Academy of Dance. ;)

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:24 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.3   Mishee bang

      “siminar”?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:37 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.4   Pajibill

      “perfer”?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:12 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.5   Tyler bang

      “quak”?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:24 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.6   secondsout bang

      So if Ralphy is actually spineless, like I think he meant to type, what does that make him? A slug? An earthworm?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:25 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.7   Mishee bang

      …jellyfish?

      I don’t even want to speculate on “siminar” though…

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:40 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.8   secondsout bang

      So long as it’s not a “semenar”

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:50 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.9   Mishee bang

      possibly scimitar?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:59 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.10   RunBarbara bang

      i went to a “semenar” once. i left with an sore eye and dreadlocks.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:06 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.11   Mishee bang

      as long as they didn’t “perfer” your “spinless” RB!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:14 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.12   cricket bang

      secondsout, I hope to hell you meant ‘seminar’ because ‘semenar’ sounds very gross and sticky.

      hot damn, I do love it here!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:09 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.13   secondsout bang

      Cricket, I’m quite the fastidious speller, so I’m well aware that “semenar” is something that sounds gross and sticky. That’s why I hope that Ralphy didn’t mean such a thing.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:46 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #19   Canthz_B bang

    Thanks to the “Obesity Epidemic” in the US, some chiropractors are making “phat money”!

    Jun 26, 2008 at 8:57 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #20   xindi

    I’ll be baaaaack! And I am baaaack!

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:08 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #21   theblackdog

    That health was fucking delicious.

    *ducks*

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:12 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #22   xindi

    This is Spinal Tap. The rudeness goes to eleven.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:17 am   rating: 19  small thumbs up

     
  • #23   einekleinetiger

    Classic. This is what passive aggressive notes are made of. All that’s missing is a little smiley face at the end. :) :) :)

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:20 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #24   zchamu

    Dear Doctor,

    I am sorry that I don’t take you, your extortionist tactics, your passive-aggressive notes or your bad breath seriously.

    If there had previously been any doubts about the fact that I will never walk through your doors again, please consider those doubts addressed. You are dead to me.

    Love,
    Clay
    XOXO

    p.s. Advil fixed me up without any of your quackery! Who knew!

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:28 am   rating: 26  small thumbs up

     
  • #25   GhostWriter bang

    I smell a backstory…

    Clay is an aspiring YouTuber who fancies himself a younger, hipper Steven Colbert. He scheduled an appointment with a local chiropractor, and showed up along with a hooker in a Nazi Stormtrooper outfit, who would routinely smack his back with a wiffle ball bat during the interview. He told the doc it was the only way to relieve his pain.

    Unfortunately, the minicam hidden in the Stormtrooper’s hat ran out of juice, and the chiropractor kicked them both out. Now, Clay’s picking up whatever fame he can, passing off the chiropractor’s reply as an insult to his health priorities.

    But we saw right through that…

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:33 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

     
  • #26   claw71 bang

    Chiropractors are terrible. In Ohio they troll the BWC files, since they are public record, and they solicit patients. Chiropractic care is covered by the BWC and in some instances it does help but these leeches always want to establish a care plan that involves regular visits.

    More than a few pad their incomes with suspicious drug sales and it’s not uncommon to see chiropractors getting arrested for any number of schemes that could be directly, indirectly or not even remotely associated with their line of work.

    It’s too bad because there are some back crackers out there who understand their niche. I’ve been to one here in Columbus who doesn’t even do a full adjustment if you don’t need it. You tell him where it hurts, he pops the offending vertebrae back into place and that will be $20.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:34 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #27   D.N. Nation

    I can identify. Tweaked my back a little in the shower the other day, figured I’d give a chiropractor a try. Guy tells me that I (a person in decent health who works out thrice a week, walks a couple of miles every day, and who doesn’t necessarily have bad posture) am totally, totally messed up beyond immediate repair. Takes my X-rays, then starts talking about payment plans and needing to see me for at least 10 visits. When I make it obvious that this just isn’t going to happen, he starts talking about getting things through my head and all. Ah, no.

    Couple days later and I’m fine. Turns out, right- all I did was tweak my back.

    Also, all the diplomas on the wall from a now-discredited college didn’t help his cause.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:37 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #27.1   Bunnee

      I have a friend who visited a chiropractor who wouldn’t release HIS OWN MEDICAL RECORDS to him because they hadn’t received payment from the insurance company yet! WTF?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:06 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
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    i can’t believe i’m just now learning about this site. it’s hilarious. can’t wait to start looking through the archives!

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:41 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

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      Don’t miss the comments, that’s the best part.
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      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:02 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
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      Every day, for a year.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:19 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
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      hmmm it might be best to just retire and devote all day everyday to PAN. There is much here to occupy a snarky mind!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:22 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #28.4   Mishee bang

      Make sure to start at the beginning though – it doesn’t help much to go through the archives from most recent to oldest.

      Otherwise MOST of the jokes won’t make sense till you get to the threads before them where they originated, and where’s the fun in that?! :D

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:40 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #28.5   anglophile bang

      Or possibly the week

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:46 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
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      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:30 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
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      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:29 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

       
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      And we almost made it to 40 posts without a Casey in HR or THX SANDRA reference. We pay for it by getting a 2 in 1.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:38 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
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      Ok, get out the unitard. Shall I tell you how it tasted?

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      IT’S NOT YOUR FAULT!!!!!

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      I don’t know what all you people are whining about.

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      Hello.
      My name is Canthz_B *inhales deeply and exhales a shaky breath* and I am a PANaholic.

      I sometimes stay on PAN all night, lurking. Waiting in quiet desperation for the appearance of a new note. For the unrivaled high of that ever elusive first comment. Oh! The ecstasy of it!!
      PAN dreams infect my sleep and I fear I may never be totally free of this place.

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    • #28.19   anglophile bang

      I can quit anytime I want.

      *twitch*

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    • #28.20   Mishee bang

      I told you guys over and over! There is NO reason for me to be here!

      I don’t have a problem dammit!

      Jul 1, 2008 at 11:46 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #28.21   frostedflake

      how long does one have to have been coming to PAN before one is considered a PANaholic? i only discovered this site less than a week ago, but i haven’t slept more than about 9 hours total since… do i have a problem?

      Jul 2, 2009 at 2:09 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #29   EricaBLMT

    As a massage therapist, I am sad to say that this is not uncommon. I have had a number of my clients complain about similar letters or discussions with their chiropractors.

    How frustratring – and passive aggressive!

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:42 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #30   unholyghost2003 bang

    Dear Quack,
    I obviously DON’T take my health seriously. I mean, I went to your office. If I took my health seriously I would have talked to my G.P. and then possibly an Orthopedic Specialist.

    Sorry, I ask that people have more education than 2 years of night school before I let them play with my spine.

    When you decide to take your life seriously and get a real career let me know. I have some pamphlets from the local trade schools and colleges.

    Sincerely,
    Clay

    Jun 26, 2008 at 9:58 am   rating: 18  small thumbs up

    • #30.1   Burghardt

      Okay, I had a friend who went to chiropractic school and I was blown away when he told me it took 4 years (how long does it take to learn how to crack someone’s back? Well, these are college dropouts, but still…) and they studied everything from pharmaceuticals to GYNECOLOGY!

      If I went to a chiropractor with a bad back and he said, “I’ll just need you to put your feet in these stirrups…” that’s when I exercise my second amendment rights.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:14 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #30.2   baw

      Two years of night school?

      To get into chiropractic college you need a four-year degree with specific requirements in biology, chemistry, etc. comparable to premed. The first two years of chiropractic school are EXACTLY the same as the first two years of medical school; I know because I had a doctor once who had both an MD and a DC–she was a chiropractor first, then went to medical school at the University of Illinois (hardly a fly-by-night school) and they waived the first two years because she’d already covered the material in her DC.

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  • #31   Lura

    I’ve been to about six chiropractors over the years. Three of them were great, two were okay, and one was scary and weird and rather like the letter writer above. I think some people in that industry are living on their own planet while the serious healers are quietly doing their thing – healing and making people feel better.

    I had a serious rib injury when I was young and didn’t know anything about chiropractors, so I didn’t even think to go to one. The regular docs just said I was fine since there wasn’t anything on my x-rays. Blinding, constant pain of the type that prevents you from lifting anything heavier than a loaf of bread doesn’t show up on an X-ray. :) Finally a friend I met who had always had good experiences with chiropractors encouraged me to go to one, and within a few sessions I could stand up, lift things, and my personality reverted to being relatively pleasant instead of pissy all the time from pain. That’s what made me a believer – that good chiropractors do exist and can really help you when your body is misaligned in some way.

    But those aggressive sales tactics and poor bedside manner also happen in the industry, unfortunately. When will it get into those guys’ heads that poor bedside manner + aggressive sales tactics +belittling their patients = no business? You think they’d be smart enough to try something else.

    L

    Jun 26, 2008 at 10:05 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #31.1   Moonsilver

      Like Dentistry.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:17 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #31.2   Bellabeastie

      My old next-door neighbor is a chiropracter with a local practice. I swear that guy never worked. His car would be home day in and day out, yet there was enough money to completely remodel their award-winning century home. Hmmmmm.

      My boyfriend (a theatre director/choreographer) occasionally messes up an old injury and once decided to try a chiro and it was nothing buy ugly. Same strong-arm tactics for repeat appointments, etc. I finally convinced him maybe this is hurting more than helping. A couple massage sessions, bingo-fixed.

      Long story, but the reason I avoid these guys like the plague.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:31 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #32   Sheepish bang

    I saw a chiropractor only once before.

    I must’ve had a very intense dream ‘cause I woke up that morning and I couldn’t move my neck. I’ve never experienced pain like that before or since. It was very frightening. My fiancé had to gently manoeuvre me into clothes so that I could be presentable for going outside. The car ride was excruciating. We decided to go to the doctor first. Sitting in the clinic was terrible and when I finally got to see the doctor he could only prescribe muscle relaxants. I gladly took them and went home expecting relief. None came.

    This is when we decided to see the chiropractor. I was looking for any relief I could get. When I walked in to the clinic the receptionist took one look at my crooked posture and the tears in my eyes and I got in right away. I thought that was a good start. When the ‘doctor’ came in to see me he made me sit there in pain for 15 minutes while he explained the benefits of chiropratcting to me. He then gingerly got behind me and snapped my neck back in place.

    Yay! I felt better! Then he talked to me for half an hour about how if I don’t see him twice a week for the rest of my life I will continue to have these episodes. WHAT!?! In my exhausted, fear prone state I was ready to give him my bank account info so that I could start a regular payment plan for my treatments. All I knew was that I never wanted to go through that again. Walking back into the waiting room my fiancé saw that I was healed and then he noticed that I was going to sign more than the payment slip and he blocked me like a superhero would jump in front of a moving vehicle to save an old lady. He told the chiropractor to back off and took me home.

    After some sleep I felt better and I’m glad I didn’t sign up for the ‘health plan’ that they were forcing on me. I was shocked that the ‘doctor’ would use such fear tactics on someone in such a vulnerable state.

    That was 4 years ago and I’m happy to report that I’ve not had another incident.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 10:55 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #32.1   Sue Do Nim

      I’ll wait for the CliffsNotes.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:16 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #32.2   glastonberry

      Wow, that’s one big chunk o comment…. awesome really, I wonder what it says? Anyone dare to read it yet?

      Jul 8, 2008 at 4:49 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #33   Ryan

    Jesus, now my back hurts.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 11:09 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #33.1   Kev Orng

      Don’t complain to me, I’m busy guarding this fucking soap!
      - Jesus

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:18 pm   rating: 28  small thumbs up

       
    • #33.2   se

      I know a Chiropractor named Jesus, but he prefers to be called Jesse.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:05 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #33.3   Mark bang

      NOBODY fucks with the Jesus.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:27 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #33.4   Kev Orng

      Funny, I knew a zombie god-man named Jesse who preferred to be called Jesus

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:28 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #33.5   Moonsilver bang

      Dear Jesus,

      I have stolen luches from co-workers, Windex, Air freshener, and the odd hot pocket (even tho I don’t like them.) I have attempted to steal a scooter and several peoples’ identity, but was thwarted by intimidating PA signs. I have been known to stiff waiters on rare occasions (since it was brought up ‘sout.) But I have never, ever stolen soap, so I guess I’m still blessed and can no longer go to hell in that basket. Thanks for fucking up my good time.

      Signed,
      Next to Godliness

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:32 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #33.6   SaraJean

      Did you ever steal doggie poo clean up bags that were attached to a tree? Despite the P-A notes discouraging it?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:47 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #33.7   bellabeastie

      That’s just nasty.

      Jun 27, 2008 at 12:22 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #34   mere bang

    mom… is that you?!

    Jun 26, 2008 at 11:16 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

     
  • #35   theblackdog

    • #35.1   RP

      How could they (we?) resist a BUSINESS telling the CUSTOMER that they should “take this seriously”?

      That is pure gold!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:43 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #36   octavius

    My dad went to a chiropractor a few years ago. The massage started with the guy giving a running commentary about what bad shape his back was in the way rip off mechanics do when you take your car in. “Oh dear, tsk, tsk,” while shaking head etc.

    Then he said he’d found something really bad and pushed one spot extra hard until there was an audible click. This was supposed to be a disk going back into place. In fact out the corner of his eye my dad had seen him click his thumbnail with another fingernail.

    This one sounds like he should be writing letters for the mafia, making offers you can’t refuse.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 11:43 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #36.1   D.N. Nation

      Yeah, the guy I went to kept pressing harder and harder into non-affected areas just so I would say ow, and so he would have “found” the “problem.” When I kept saying I was fine (I’m pretty strong), he scolded me for not admitting pain.

      The electro-therapy was nice. So was most of the bending and pushing on my back. The used-car-salesman moralizing I could have done without. Next time I’ll just get a massage.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:28 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #37   vndlfan

    I am literally in tears reading your comments. I am all for snarky but this just hurts. I am a chiropractor and I am proud of the care I deliver on a day to day basis. I just have to point out there are bad people in every profession. I hope that any of you who have had bad experiences with chiropractors can understand that. I personally have never turned anyone away because they couldn’t pay me. I’m sorry if you think my doctorate is worth less then your medical doctor’s doctorate, but I went to school just as long as they did, studied the same things they did and would hope that you could offer up just a little bit of respect to the good chiropractors out there. I struggle everyday to gain respect for myself and my profession and doctors like this guy don’t help. I just pray that you can see past him, and not judge all of us by his actions.

    I’m sorry to get all serious on here, but I take these criticisms seriously.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 11:45 am   rating: 33  small thumbs up

    • #37.1   ruth

      My two cents? I loved what my chiropractor did for me, I saw her once a month for years, and the adjustments helped with my migraines. But the conversations we had about her relationships and her athletic pursuits and her pushing me to join her in those pursuits (team stuff) made me nauseous. I would have kept going, even with the increasing costs, if she had only SHUT UP. Now when I get a migraine, I just drink tequila.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:12 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.2   Kev Orng

      Hi Vndlfan;
      (BTW I like Vindaloo as well)

      I agree, I’m not into tarring everyone with the same brush. I know there are good and bad in every walk of life, and it’s always the bad stories that everybody hears. For what it’s worth, the worst of it seems to come from my American friends; up here in Canada I think chiropractors have a better reputation. That is, to the extent that I’ve spoken to people about chiropractors.

      That being said, I always assumed those guys hanging around the mall with the alignment thingy with the ropes were “For Entertainment Purposes Only” like a fortune teller or a phone sex line. Yeah, if I ever think I need any professional whatever, I’ll get some referrals. But that’s nothing against chiropractors, that’s just the socialized health care talking… why risk stumbling into a place of ill-repute, when I can go to my doctor as often as I like for free and ask her to refer me?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:14 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.3   unholyghost2003 bang

      Sorry, but no. You DIDN’T go to school as long as my M.D. did (or at least were not required to) and if you studied all of the same things then I suppose you are able to: Deliver a baby, set a broken bone, diagnose and treat a skin disorder, diagnose and treat heart/lung diseases. What? You CAN’T do those things? In most places it is illegal for you to TRY to do those things? Oh, your bad.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:29 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.4   secondsout bang

      Conversely, doctors in medical schools aren’t trained to do spinal manipulation. So how is it you study the same things?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:37 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.5   Canthz_B bang

      Can chiropractic cure a bruised ego as well?
      If so, make an appointment.
      You have nothing near the medical education of an M.D.
      The average medical transcriber has a much larger understanding of medical terminology than a D.C.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:58 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.6   Nikki

      vndlfan-
      It sucks to be a good guy who picked a profession full of thieving whackos. The world needs chiropractors. I wish my pilot boyfriend would find one to take care of his back so he’s not crying for a massage or for me to step on his back all the time. We recognize that there are good guys who chose to help people through chiro-practice (just like there are good people who love puns…).

      So, we salute you, vndlfan, for not letting the promise of cruddy colleagues who will often make you seem guilty by association, keep you from helping people who really do need a good chiropractor to help them.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:32 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.7   Phalange

      Soooooooooo, if chiropractorizing (I think I just made a word) involved the same amount and intensity of schooling that a medical doctor must go through, why didn’t you just become an M.D.?????

      Seriously, quit trying to justify your shitty career choice.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:51 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.8   debbysue

      Hi vndlfan, Are you in the Pompano, Fl area? You sound a lot like the chiro I lost 20 years ago when I moved to Atlanta. Read my post #42. By the way, What is the difference between what chiro’s call an adjustment and a manipulation, is there a difference? Sounds like Clay was getting manipulated to adjust his chiro’s finances! Stay honest doc, we need more docs with sociology minors than we need docs with business minors.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:52 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.9   secondsout bang

      The same friend’s father who was a chiropractor said that he became a chiropractor because he didn’t get into medical school. He says that he didn’t get into medical school because he’s a white male, and that they accept minorities before they accept qualified, hard-working folks like himself. mmm-hmm.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:12 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.10   Mishee bang

      Chiropractors are to doctors what Flav-r-Aid is to Kool Aid…

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:14 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.11   Canthz_B bang

      Damned set-asides and quotas!
      How dare they reserve a minority of the admissions for Minorities! ;-)

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:27 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.12   Mark bang

      Mishee, what about City Punch? I guess that would be homeopathy…

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:29 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.13   PANU bang

      “hope that you could offer up just a little bit of respect to the good chiropractors out there”

      We would, if we could actually find a good one.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:31 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.14   Burghardt

      My family prac/DO can do spinal adjustments. All the benefits of a chiropractor without the Simpsons-street-doctor style, “HI EVERYBODEEE!” medicine.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:31 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.15   Mark bang

      Call 1-800-doctorb! The “B” is for Bargain!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:39 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.16   Quite Contrary

      I think we have found the backstory on the Melba note. It’s vndlfan and uhg!

      VNDLFAN!!!

      Your Letter Upset Your Panmate. And For no good reason. Mind Your Own Buisness.

      Sadly, I can’t write the code to move the rocks around “buisness.”

      Jun 26, 2008 at 4:01 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.17   prairielily

      For what it’s worth, the worst of it seems to come from my American friends; up here in Canada I think chiropractors have a better reputation. That is, to the extent that I’ve spoken to people about chiropractors.

      Clearly, Kev Orng, you don’t know anyone from Saskatoon, where a woman DIED after going to the chiropractor and having her neck adjusted. And yes, it was from the chiropractor.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 7:39 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.18   amazon

      vndlfan, seriously, stop being so sensitive. I’m about to join the oh so respected profession of lawyer. I don’t cry every time I hear a lawyer joke.

      Q: “Why don’t sharks eat lawyers?”
      A: “Professional courtesy.”

      P.S. Hey CB, what’s the billing code for chiropractics?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 8:25 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #37.19   leigh

      My current chiropractor is very good. He’s the reason I don’t have chronic severe headaches (borderline migraines). I have had a few experiences with chiropractors trying to sell an excess of treatment. I say “No” and I continue getting treated by them (only as long as they do what I need and do it well) at my own pace.

      The profession, as a whole, has shot itself in the foot by pushing treatment plans at people. Insurance companies have become almost as resistant to paying chiropractors as they have to paying osteopaths. The ironic/sad part is that chiropractors are also the reason for why insurance companies stopped paying osteopaths.

      Before there were chiropractors, there were osteopaths (D.O.). If you can find a D.O. who still does adjustments, I’d give them a try over a chiropractor any day.

      Jun 27, 2008 at 3:41 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #38   John

    This one really gets under my skin. What a load of horse pucky.

    I’d love to sneak up behind this guy at a taco truck and flick him really hard on the earlobe.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 12:10 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

     
  • #39   trixare4kids

    HOAX?

    I didn’t go through ALL the comments — but did anyone else notice that there is NO WOODACRE Road in Knoxville? There’s no “Wood Acre” either.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 12:34 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #39.1   secondsout bang

      Well, I’ll be damned. I thought I had all the streets in Knoxville memorized. I stand corrected.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:39 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.2   Kev Orng

      There’s no Clay either. I didn’t want to say anything.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 12:49 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.3   cricket bang

      Shenanigans!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:05 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.4   Mark bang

      Are we sure that Knoxville exists? Or TN?

      Maybe none of us exist!!

      *vanishes in a puff of logic*

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:06 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.5   pers bang

      Sorry, I was too busy strumming my banjo.

      Sheesh…lol!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:17 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.6   anglophile bang

      I love a good mystery, so I looked in the Yellow Pages for a ________ Chiropractic Clinic in Knoxville with a ZIP of 37919, and found only Sunshine Chiropractic Clinic. Unless Sunshine is typed in a different font than the other two words of the title, I don’t think that would fit the blacked-out area. Plus, all the doctors’ names there appear to be Sunshine, which does not seem to fit that freaky loopy signature.

      What? How do you spend your day at work? At least I’m not playing Solitaire.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:52 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.7   Mishee bang

      I would like to return this defective note and get a new one please?

      Why..? Cause it’s effin FAKE! :D I also could not find a Woodacre Rd – including at http://www.usps.com – and if they don’t know the road… well, there’s little hope that the letter even GOT there (if it did exist)!!

      (jus’ kiddin’ – you know I worship you PANGoddess!)

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:11 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.8   ccnicho bang

      Hey, it’s Clay. The reason I didn’t blank out the woodacre is because it was WRONG. I had pointed it out to the receptionist at the end of my last visit since most of the personal info on my charts were wrong (last name, address, etc.). That they got the street wrong on the letter, but on right on the envelope just made it that much funnier to me.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:58 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.9   anglophile bang

      Hey Clay, did you have further communication from the chiropractor? Seems like someone that desperate wouldn’t give up with just one nasty letter.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:12 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.10   abeliever

      thanks for clearing this up clay! i’ve been searching tirelessly on the internet to find evidence to back up your letter.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 4:22 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.11   Mishee bang

      I am not convinced. I say you scan the ENVELOPE so we can see that it’s a different address…

      I am being a skeptic today! :D

      Jun 26, 2008 at 4:34 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #39.12   Jen

      @ anglophile-

      I did a google search on chiropractic clinic knoxville, TN 37919 and got 10 local business…

      see for yourself ^_^
      http://www.google.com/search?q=chiropractic+clinic+knoxville%2C+TN+37919&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B2GGFB_enUS242

      Jun 27, 2008 at 3:25 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #40   nonnernont

    P.S. The x-ray also showed a potentially malignant tissue mass somewhere in your body. If you come back, I’ll tell you where it is.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:05 pm   rating: 25  small thumbs up

     
  • #41   Nikki

    I’m sure this level of maturity and professionalism makes Clay wish he had chosen this quack.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:23 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #41.1   expletive

      *gives Nikki cooties*

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:11 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #42   debbysue

    Once upon a time (OK 23 years ago), in a land far away (Pompano, Fl), I found a chiropractor (dummy me forgot his name), he called me to cancel an appointment because he had forgotten a seminar on payment plans and treatment options that happened to be the same time of my appointment. To my luck ( and shock of everyone who’s been to a chiropractor) he called me back( and his other patients) an hour after my appointment had been set for, to come in. BELIEVE IT OR NOT! HE TOLD ME AFTER 20 MIN. HE WALKED OUT OF THE SEMINAR LOUDLY, SAYING THAT HE WOULD NEVER RIP OFF HIS CLIENTS IN SUCH A WAY AND STATED EVERYONE IN THE ROOM SHOULD BE SUED FOR MALPRACTICE! Best chiro I ever had, he even interupted a date with his girl friend one day for an emergency. I woke up late and got up too fast and gave my self whiplash! I had to meet him and his girl at his apartment for an emergency adjustment, which was a lot of fun while his dog licked my toes! If anyone has heard of a chiro that walked out of seminar in Pompano, Fl area please let me know, I’m looking for him. Thanks

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:31 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #42.1   Mishee bang

      maybe you should stop waking up in strange men’s beds so that in the morning you don’t startle yourself up and grab your clothes (and money?) and run…. then you wouldn’t need a chiro!

      or there are other ways to get whiplash….

      Jun 26, 2008 at 1:35 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.2   se

      Yes, there is at least one other way.
      It’s called rodeo style.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:05 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.3   bellabeastie

      With enough tequila you won’t feel a thing… ;)

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:41 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.4   debbysue

      How nasty of a person are you to assume such a thing of a person you don’t know. You must be having a flashback. Remember MISHEE! what comes around…goes around…gets around…went around…sent around…opened around…into you. Your nastiness is uncalled for and will only go back to you, but you must know this because you obviously live in it. GET COUSELING BEFORE YOU GET HURT BY HURTING YOURSELF!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 5:58 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.5   Mark bang

      Um, you’re new here, aren’t you?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:07 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.6   Mishee bang

      Wow… I just can’t believe that debbysue thinks that what I said before was nasty…

      That doesn’t even TOUCH how nasty I can be! Hell, if that pissed you off that much, I bet I could make you cry if I tried!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:15 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.7   Canthz_B bang

      Easy, debbiesue.
      Don’t give yourself another whiplash!

      What did you expect? A gold star for getting your toes sucked by your chiropractor’s dog while the doctor rubbed your sore neck? 8-O

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:29 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.8   Mishee bang

      I bet you $10 she liked her toes getting licked too… it reminded her alot of the night before… hence, the reason she woke up late in the first place!

      Debby(Sue) Does The Chiropractors

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:32 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.9   Canthz_B bang

      …his girlfriend and little dog too! arf!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:42 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.10   Quite Contrary

      I can not WAIT until RB talks about her experiences with DebbySue’s mom.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:42 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.11   Mishee bang

      Well, QC, I think she’s actually WITH debbysue’s mom as we speak…

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:43 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.12   debbysue

      No Mishee, it didn’t piss me off, it made me pity you. Years ago I worked for MHA , making sure certain individuals took their meds, kept their home and body clean and helped them rid themselves of the guilt and nastiness they spread around. People generally say and do the things that you had accused me of because of their own insecurities. It’s like a bully in elementary school kicking around the small kid and stealing there lunch money, most likely because they learned it from an abusive family member that did it to them. The fact that doing such makes you feel good or above someone else only proves that you have self esteem issues yourself. Yes, I’ve been reading this site for months and just decided to post for the first time today ( usually don’t have time), I wasn’t expecting a newbe hazing by the maturity of a middle school kid. So next time I’ll sick my teenage daughter on you! No you couldn’t make me cry, I’m too busy laughing at your immaturity ;)

      Jun 26, 2008 at 9:18 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.13   debbysue

      Oh I forgot, the dog thing was because my chiro had done the emergency adjustment for me at his home, where his girlfriend and dog were at the time. While he was trying to adjust my neck the dog was trying to lick my feet. If any of you had ever gotten a neck adjustment you would know how difficult it is to relax while a siberian husky licks your toes. Finally, chiro’s girl put the dog in another room so my neck could be adjusted properly. No not into dogs or feet or sex for money, immaturity, or insecure people. But I do make money off of people who do. Let me set up my online psychotherapy site so your moms won’t have to drive you to counseling. They can save $$ on gas! Also, noticing how mean people got, you must have had a rough day at work or SUMMER SCHOOL, no kicking the dog.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 9:46 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.14   Canthz_B bang

      Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and a snarky comment site will generate snarky comments.
      Has your counselor helped you connect with your inner sense of humor yet, or just your inner child?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:07 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.15   Quite Contrary

      CB: is there a diagnostic code for no sense of humor?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 11:12 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.16   bellabeastie

      Ok – it’s late and I don’t have the patience or even care enough to read thru D.Sue’s assine rant.

      Because frankly I Don’t Give A Flying Fuck

      And quit sucking up valuable air. It’s allocated for people who like laughing huskies licking their toes. Yum.

      THX BELLA

      Jun 27, 2008 at 12:36 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.17   kozi

      Lols!
      DebbieSue’s rant is almost a PAN in itself – complete with smiley face!

      Jun 27, 2008 at 1:29 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.18   leigh

      You gave yourself whiplash getting out of bed too fast?

      I had to have a car run into me while I was on a motorcycle in order to get whiplash. Do you have super forward motion powers and a really weak neck?

      Jun 27, 2008 at 3:45 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.19   Phalange

      debbysue – check out these links, could be very helpful for you in life:

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humor

      Having to work with crazy people all day is no excuse for being such a scrotal tumor.

      Jun 27, 2008 at 7:53 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.20   Mishee bang

      When I was little, my brothers would say anything and everything to me to make me mad…

      My father would say “Now Mishee, they are just pushing your buttons! And you respond by dancing to their tune!”

      Thank you debbysue, for performing a wonderful, beautiful dance just for me!

      Jun 27, 2008 at 8:17 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.21   anglophile bang

      *takes out notebook and pen*

      *sits down in a chair next to Mishee, who is reclining on a couch*

      Now, Mishee, when your father offered this advice to you instead of telling your brothers to shut up, how did that make you feel?

      Jun 27, 2008 at 8:26 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.22   Mishee bang

      It made me tough!

      Plus, there was this way that I said “Nevahhhhhhh” (a form of Never!) that drove my brothers batty… and my parents did nothing to stop me even when my brothers begged them to make me stop! :D

      Revenge. I have my ways.

      ummm, so can you prescribe stuff too glo?

      Jun 27, 2008 at 8:30 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.23   RunBarbara bang

      phew! sorry i showed up to the debbysue party so late…her mom kept hiding my keys! i tried to leave hours ago when she was sleeping in my t-shirt but the bitch must have bat hearing because she kept waking up and crying.
      whatever.
      im here now.
      debbysue, you’re far too thin skinned to hang around here. do what your mom did- ask for it rough and wear assless chaps. you’ll fit right it.

      Jun 27, 2008 at 11:21 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #42.24   karla

      RunBarbara and Mishee
      I love you both.

      Jun 27, 2008 at 1:21 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #43   JoeInLA

    I’m sure there are quack chiropractors, just as there are quack MDs and quack attorneys. Having a degree of any sort after your name is no guarantee that you will act in an ethical manner. Luckily the quacks are outnumbered by the good ones. I’ve been going to one in West LA for the past ten years. My spine is seriously fucked up from a punch in the back when I was 13 years old — I wore a Milwaukee frame (a special kind of hell) all through junior high and high school, and currently the middle of my spine is fused and I have two steel rods on either side of that section, which means that the sections above and below have to bear the stress that portion was meant to bear. The guy I go to is great, and only works on things that are causing me pain. I threw my sacroiliac joint out about a year ago and within 24 hours was experiencing the most agonizing pain I have ever felt in my life (and that includes the spinal surgery). It was so painful I was literally unable to turn over or stand up after lowering myself onto the exam table, and he had to bodily lift me to my feet so I could then lie down on my back. He snapped the offending joint back into place and once the nerves calmed down, it was fine. Don’t give up on chiropractors, but find one through word-of-mouth (just like a dentist).

    Jun 26, 2008 at 1:52 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #43.1   Nini

      Hey there… would be very interested in getting the name of that chiropractor in West LA. My husband’s leg was shattered in a car accident and repaired with tons of screws when he was a teen, and now his back and legs ache most of the time.

      Been asking around for a good one for some time, but no one seems to have a good address.

      Thanks!! :)
      -V-

      Jun 26, 2008 at 5:41 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #43.2   JoeInLA

      His name is Robert Kilroy, and his office is in Santa Monica. I believe it’s on Santa Monica Boulevard, but I always get that street mixed up with Wilshire because they cross at one point — the one that was formerly the northernmost of the pair suddenly becomes the southernmost. (In case you’re wondering, I manage to arrive at most places by remembering landmarks and really don’t pay much attention to street names.) Anyway, I highly recommend him for chiropractic care. Your husband may also want to check out another excellent bodyworker by the name of Gabe Luban, also in Santa Monica. He got rid of my frozen shoulder in a matter of weeks, and I understand most people end up living with that condition for years. He works with muscles, not the spine. Good luck!

      Jun 27, 2008 at 8:41 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #44   itmustbeken bang

    I’m embarassed that I use a chiropractor and like him. Big ex-football guy, can snap my 6′ 3″ body like a twig.

    On my first visit he said, and I quote:
    “I’m here to help you. I want to treat you and send you on your way. If you need to be here 3 days a week, you need to get physical therapy or a shrink…I will never treat you for anything other than aches and pains. That’s all I can do. You may feel better in other ways, but that’s up to the patient. I cannot fix alergies or cure colds. I charge by the visit and will not sell you vitamins. Any questions? Good, lets get to it…’

    From what I read here, I must have been damn lucky to find him…

    Jun 26, 2008 at 2:22 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #44.1   killer-tofu

      you sure have a good memory…

      Jun 27, 2008 at 12:53 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #44.2   Joey's Stinky Foot

      Ha! The quack I used to go to said that chiropractic can cure illness and disease if you go the recommended three times a week for adjustments. That’s good to know if I ever get Cancer, Hepatitis, Pneumonia, Meningitis, or some other life-threatening disease. No need for MD’s, anymore…who knew?

      Jul 1, 2008 at 1:18 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #45   aaa

    Can chiropractors actually order x-rays? (This is a serious question since I don’t see chiropractors.) In any case, I’m just hoping there’s someplace you can report jackass chiropractors to. If an MD or DO pulled this crap, they’d be in some serious shit. I’m sure they’d lose their license if writing PA letters like this was their standard procedure. I’d suggest that the sender-inner do some research and find the appropriate place to file a complaint to.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 2:29 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #45.1   Canthz_B bang

      Chiropractors can do x-rays, but not blood (lab) work, in most states.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 2:41 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #45.2   aaa

      Ah, okay.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:54 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #45.3   baw

      Every state has a Chiropractic Board that licenses them. Go to your state government’s website.

      Jul 24, 2009 at 12:22 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #46   spursnut bang

    Yeah, the video (and literature) I had to sit at the chiro’s place mentioned that chiropractic can cure allergies. Uh, OK. I went to another guy that was recommended to me who made me lie face-down on a table while he manipulated the freaking table (pop! lock! slide! — very impressive!) and did very little for my back.

    I eventually had minor back surgery for spinal stenosis, which was revealed via MRI. Ahh… much better.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 2:59 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #47   claw71 bang

    To the visiting chiropractor and the chiropractor apologists:

    I disagree that it’s not fair to paint chiropractors with a broad brush. I know a few are honest guys who don’t promise what they can’t deliver but the fact remains that a disproportionate number of chiropractors are shady to say the least. Chiropractors don’t have to meet the same educational and licensing standards doctors meet so that comparison is erroneous.

    Most chiropractors aren’t criminals but the majority do blur the lines. It seems that extended treatment batteries are the norm even though there is no scientific evidence that indicates repeat visits have any therapeutic value.

    All chiropractors bear responsibility for the reputation their profession bears. You can’t sit there and say that you’re legitimate and ethical when you know three chiropractors in the local association who are crooks. As a chiropractor you have an obligation to work within legal parameters and licensing bodies to hold the quacks and the hacks accountable. If you don’t feel so inclined you deserve the stigma that comes with having that certificate. Complacency equals compliance.

    Chiropractors aren’t the only people who have to carry the tar baby. Any profession that features a significant number of unethical practitioners deals with this sort of ostracization can look in the mirror and blame themselves. More often than not it’s well-deserved.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 3:20 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

    • #47.1   secondsout bang

      Can I get an Amen! Preach on, brother Claw!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:38 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.2   Kev Orng

      Just like those god-damn roofers. Fuck roofers!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 3:45 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.3   debbysue

      Construction contractors, are another one of those so-called professionals that rip-off people. I need someone to hire mine for a job so he can get the money to finish the 8 week job that has taken 15 months! ( I later found out he spent my money to finish someone elses job and to pay for his attorney..legal fees, fines, jail time (twice!) from a job before mine) I want to stalk him through a job from beginning to …..What-ever, jail? (I can’t say end, I don’t know if he ever ends a job! ) so I can bust him! Anyone want to set-up a bad construction crew?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:22 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.4   Canthz_B bang

      Here’s a shout out to auto mechanics!

      “The what is broken and if you don’t fix it the who will go bad? How much?
      Oh, just my first born son.” :-|

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:50 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.5   Mishee bang

      CB – you made me think of this song… it’s just hilarious and pertains to what you just said!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0QxnN42ZC8

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:58 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.6   aaa

      That’s why if I ever had a kinked up spine, I’d go to an osteopath. They’re actual doctors with all the powers and knowledge of MDs plus the more holistic view and the OMM deal* (at least in the US; I know the definitions of osteopath vary from country to country) and they’re allowed to fix you if something goes wrong.

      *Most don’t even use the OMM (the quasi-chiropractic stuff) that often. So they’re basically like MDs. Just a wee bit different.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 7:02 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.7   amazon

      Any profession that features a significant number of unethical practitioners deals with this sort of ostracization can look in the mirror and blame themselves. More often than not it’s well-deserved.

      So I guess that includes attorneys as well? Damn. I guess I’ll have to console myself with my wads and wads of cash.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 8:36 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.8   JuanRojas

      You know what? FUCK osteopaths. I had written a longer comment but lost it, so I’ll just say how bad it was.

      Electrostimulacution: couldn’t tweak it so it didn’t feel like my subcutaneous fat would explode
      Wet hot packs: weren’t relaxing at all after the electro-fuck (p.s. ice packs/cold shower-baths make my chiropractic more productive)
      Manipulation: deep presses and long stretching twists

      My original problem got worse, and I got even more problems from it. This osteopath was recommended by my mom’s client, and was also covered by insurance.

      Jun 27, 2008 at 3:46 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.9   aaa

      I’m not sure what country you’re from or if you just went to a shitty one, but it sounds like you either went to one of the more chiropractic-like ones outside the US and is crappy and doesn’t know what they’re doing or one that’s more like an actual doctor that’s a quack and probably needs to lose their license.

      Remember kids, one person’s bad (or good) experience does not exemplify an entire group.

      Jun 28, 2008 at 12:48 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.10   JuanRojas

      Neither. Inside the U.S., didn’t do any “cracking” like every single chiropractor I’ve had in my life, didn’t do (or try to do) anything an MD has ever done to me.

      This is a person who was listed in the insurance provider guide and had a D.O. next to their name. So apparently the insurance (major carrier) approves of their horrid technique, and the DOH was approved by a college of osteopathy (implied by graduation).

      Either their standards for graduation (and licensure) are rock bottom, or they teach this fucking shit.

      Never again.

      Jun 29, 2008 at 1:55 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #47.11   melissa

      My brothers are both chiropractors and I worked at a chiropractic university for a while. I I’ve seen first-hand what these students go through. They take most, if not all, of the same classes an M.D. takes to get their doctorate. It requires a 4 year degree plus another 4 years for their doctorate (less on an accelerated program).

      The main difference is in patient interaction. a D.C. will, for obvious reasons, spend clinic hours working on adjusting patients while a medical student might spend their time in a hospital.

      For every story in these comments about a shitty chiropractor, I’ve got a story about a shitty doctor. There are people in every profession who are just out there to make a buck and they make everyone else look bad. I can say with absolute certainty that almost every single student I encountered while working at the university had the best of intentions and I have all the faith in the world that many of them will graduate to become fantastic chiropractors. I can also say with certainty that some will not.

      It’s like that famous joke goes, “Q: what do you call a person who almost failed out of med school? A: Doctor”

      Jul 14, 2008 at 6:14 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #48   yomama

    I have scoliosis, which causes a great deal of pain. I’ve been to 3 different ortho surgeons and had months of physical therapy. Been on all kinds of pain relievers, muscle relaxers, and anti-inflammatories. All the MD’s can do is give me pills and offer to put a rod in my spine.

    So I went to a chiropractor out of sheer desperation, and surprisingly, after almost 2 years of treatment, I never have pain anymore. My spine is still crooked but at least I can now function like a normal person. They may be quacks, but at least I found one quack who can offer me pain relief!

    Jun 26, 2008 at 3:33 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #49   admiralcrunch

    some of you are very imaginative.

    as far as chiros in 37919…

    http://www.yellowpages.com/37919~Knoxville-TN/Chiropractors-Chiropractic-Services?search_terms=chiropractor

    as far as clay not existing… i live in knoxville, never heard of woodacre either and can’t find it on the map… my only regret is clay hasn’t weighed in on the existence/non-existence issue, maybe the email hasn’t been delivered through the aluminum-foil-hat-firewall yet…

    Jun 26, 2008 at 3:44 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #49.1   Mark bang

      See 39.8.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 4:09 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #49.2   admiralcrunch

      yeah, i know… i didn’t want to let on that i know him, cause then i would be inundated with requests for autographs from the fame garnered as a known member of his entourage… although exactly when he surpassed me in coolness i’m not sure… but he really does wear a helmet, he won’t admit to the aluminum foil in it, but we’ve all suspected for a while.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 4:26 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #49.3   Sirius bang

      Actually, Clay purportedly ‘weighed in’ about 15 comments ago; perhaps the page refresh hasn’t made it through your buttplug-wifi-antenna yet…

      Oh, I get it, you actually knew that but were pretending not to so we would all think you’re a douche. Noted

      Jun 26, 2008 at 4:34 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #49.4   admiralcrunch

      actually i have to admit, i’m only a rear admiral, so i guess i am kind of a deuce, to be found out on a public forum!

      Jun 26, 2008 at 5:07 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #49.5   Sirius bang

      Is that Rear Admiral, Lower Half?

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:03 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #50   Fermentsindarkness

    Why would there be a seminar for payment plans? I call BS on that aspect of this story. Sometimes there is a “report of findings” not at the first appointment and I met a Chiro that did group education “seminars” followed by individual report of findings appointments.

    Did Clay not pay for any services rendered by the Chiro? If he did then he wouldn’t have to go to a payment seminar….Hmm also why wouldn’t Clay want to know his treatment options? I think that is reasonable. I call BS to this story and I think the letter from the chiropractor is a way for him to cover statutory abandonment issues.

    There is a lot more to this story than what we have been told. Also it is sorta pissy to redact the chiropractor’s name and clinic name. I would like to know who the chiropractor is and I would like for he or she to respond to this story.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 4:41 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #50.1   Sirius bang

      The Ministry would like to recognize you for being a Good Citizen and reporting these discrepancies. Please use caution when speaking of your assistance to the tribunal, as your less orderly neighbors might find your civic-minded BS-calling to be “pissy”. Rest assured, however, that you are doing a great service to the community, and that we will not rest until we have uncovered the truth behind the alleged “Clay” and his unreasonable reluctance to attend the prescribed seminar.

      XOXOXO
      The Govt

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:16 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #50.2   Rashid Mitzuno

      Like we say in the South…Bless your heart Sirius.

      Jun 27, 2008 at 8:11 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #51   secondsout bang

    I told the chiropractor my back’s shaped like a U
    I told the chiropractor my back’s shaped like a U
    And then the chiropractor, he told me what to do
    He said that ….

    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack
    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack…
    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack
    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack

    I told the chiropractor I wasn’t coming back
    I told the chiropractor his letter wasn’t funny
    And then the chiropractor, he still wanted my money
    He said to …

    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack
    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack…
    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack
    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack

    Now, you’ve sold me herbal pills
    And claimed you were a healer
    You threw my back out of place
    So I went out and found myself
    A doctor that’s not an herb dealer
    And he taught me that quackery’s no good

    My friend the chiropractor, he taught me what to say
    My friend the chiropractor, he taught me what to do
    I know that you’ll be mine when I say this to you
    Oh, Baby ….

    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack
    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack…
    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack
    Adjust, snap pop pop crack crack
    Walla walla, quack quack

    And then he cracked my back

    Jun 26, 2008 at 4:54 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #51.1   cricket bang

      you are my hero.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 6:56 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #52   jackie

    i got into a really bad car accident about six months ago and afterward was seeking chiropractic care for my aching back. the chiropractor i went to see took x rays and then we had this payment consult. he said it would be 7,000 to fix me. my jaw literally dropped and said i’d call if i thought i could work this. a week later i got a postcard in the mail saying my back was really bad and i really should come back for help. i go elsewhere.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 5:30 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #52.1   aaa

      Did the “payment seminar” go something like this?

      Chiro: Well, it’ll be $7,000 to adjust your spine.

      Jackie: *jaw drop*

      Chiro: For every thousand dollars you don’t pay us, we cut off an arm.

      Jackie: But I only have two arms!

      Chiro: I know… >:D

      Jun 26, 2008 at 7:08 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #53   Mishee bang

    Clay should’ve just used some peppermint and bay leaf. Or even tried 1-800-Orange-Oil – I heard those things clear everything right up.

    Jun 26, 2008 at 7:23 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

     
  • #54   kalev

    I was a huge non-believer in “quacks”. Until I blew out 2 disks in my back. I could hardly move. I was in so much pain I could hardly see. I was screaming out 4 letter undfriendlies just from breathing. Then a friend introduced me to her chiropractor. Then I got educated about the practice of chiropractors.

    Chiropractors go through intensive training, more than MDs. The good ones can keep the “traditional” medical treatment at bay. I have not had any medicine or been to an MD in over 3 years—about the time I started going to my chiropractor. Hummmmmnnn. Go figure. And, chiropractors are not “allowed” in ERs or hospitals because they do not generally believe in treating illness, they believe in helping you to be well, rather than throwing meds at something that has side effects. Prevent the illness before it starts.

    Some have a used car salesman type concept to their practice, in self-defense. I know several through my congregation like that. I refuse to go to them. However, on referral from a friend, I found my chiropractor.

    A beer fest well, ya know, you get what you pay for.

    Find someone who likes their chiropractor and try them out. Mine take myovision, then xrays and a medical history. THEN, shows me the xrays, the results from the myovision and suggests a course of treatment. THEN provides plan info—I provide my health insurance info and we go from there. Without insurance it would cost less than 150 a month for unlimited treatment.

    There are quacks. There are some things I do not like about some practices. One claimed that if I did not pursue treatment with him that I did not care about my health. I explained I did not have insurance, did not have money, did not have a job—I DID care about my treatment, but could not afford it. The DC stopped using that as a “sales tactic” and apologized to me and offered to take what I could afford.

    I have, in fact, found more MDs trying to push meds they get kickbacks on, that I do not need, rather than listening and trying to prevent the illness in the first place. Get on the path to WELLNESS, not treating illness. Sheesh!

    Jun 26, 2008 at 10:03 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #54.1   aaa

      But what about when you do get sick? Doing the chiropractic thing (or even the MD thing) can’t prevent everything. What about if you contract some infectious disease from somebody? Taking care of yourself isn’t going to help you if you accidentally get splattered with blood infected with hepatitis. Wellness isn’t going to keep you from breaking your arm if you get in car wreck or stop a faulty gene from causing Huntington’s disease. Promoting wellness is good and necessary, but is not the be-all-end-all; you can’t prevent everything.

      I’m just wondering, what crappy ass MDs have you been to? I’ve never had any of my (MD) doctors try to push unnecessary drugs on me or not encourage me to take care of myself to prevent XYZ disease/keep myself healthy. Maybe I’m just lucky and don’t tend to attract unprofessional dickweeds.

      Jun 26, 2008 at 10:39 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #54.2   Phalange

      Oh my Lord, my head is about the explode from the stupidity of your statement. What aaa said rings true, it really concerns me that you haven’t seen a real doctor in 3 years. Are you going to have your chiropractor do your prostate exams (if you’re male) or your gynecology exams(if you’re female)?? Are you going to have your chiropractor perform a colonoscopy on you???

      Jun 27, 2008 at 8:05 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #54.3   aaa

      You know, maybe this is a good thing. Now that I think about it, I think we should let kalev do his/her own thing and let natural selection do it’s work.

      Jun 28, 2008 at 12:50 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #55   killer-tofu

    whats with all the testimonials?

    Jun 27, 2008 at 12:58 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #55.1   aaa

      I’m imagining something from one of those late night infomercials.

      I went to a chiropractor and it done been worked fer me. I lost twenty pounds and I grew my hair back and my wife thinks I’m fit for sexing again. It is a miracle.

      Jeez…

      Jun 27, 2008 at 9:06 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #56   killer-tofu

    Once upon a time (ok a year ago) I injured my back playing soccer in a land far away (Pampano, Fl). After physical therapy didn’t work, I decided to go to a chiropractor. I was really nervous because of all the quack stories everyone always tells you about but I figured they couldn’t fuck up my back anymore than it already was. When the doctor came in he told me it would all be over really quickly. I laid face down on the table and he got behind me and promised me it wouldn’t hurt. Well he was right! It didn’t hurt at all and it was all over in about 45 seconds. Our next appointment was at his house because I had an emergency. He was about to go out with his girlfriend but he canceled so I could come over. I laid down and he did his buisness while his dog licked my toes, which was a lot of fun.

    Turns out all I needed was some ass lovin’! From now on all my appointments are going to be at his apartment. The dog licking my toes really helped me relax.

    Jun 27, 2008 at 1:18 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #56.1   Joey's Stinky Foot

      Now that’s what I call a “delayed reaction.” ^^^

      Jul 1, 2008 at 1:30 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #57   Jen

    Okay, so I totally used to work at this chiropractor. I would know that letter head anywhere. And the owner/Dr. is the kind of an @** who would write a letter like this.
    He is a great chiropractor actually but all that is lost on how much of a jerk he is.

    Jun 27, 2008 at 11:35 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #57.1   Mishee bang

      So tell me Jen – WTF is that little logo on the left side? It almost looks like a caterpillar or a worm perhaps? It’s been bugging the crap outta me!!

      Jun 27, 2008 at 11:38 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #57.2   Mark bang

      I’m pretty sure that’s a spine.

      Jun 27, 2008 at 11:42 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #58   Jen

    It is a spine – in profile.
    I couldn’t find the submitters comments but someone else posted about him saying that there was a seminar about payment plans. That is true. The Dr is hung up about everyone paying in advance so they are committed to coming back for a year.
    Needless to say this was my worst job ever and no matter how bad a day at work is now it is still better than my best day there.

    Jun 27, 2008 at 11:45 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #59   The Modern Gal

    I live in Knoxville and recognize the office’s logo. No offense to Clay’s judgment, but it just looks shady from the outside, a crumbling-looking box building with an awning that generically says “Chiropractor.”

    Jun 27, 2008 at 4:50 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #60   Joel Why

    Coincidentally enough, The Straight Dope ran a column today entitled “Is chiropractic for real or just quackery?” If you’re interested, here’s the link:
    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/080627.html

    Jun 27, 2008 at 6:56 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #60.1   ccnicho bang

      If only I’d read that before I went. He handed out a pamphlet explaining subluxation during the first visit. Hadn’t ever heard the term before, but it definitely started the quack-attack buzzer humming slightly.

      Jun 27, 2008 at 9:16 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #60.2   Joey's Stinky Foot

      Ahh, ccnicho…subluxation…yes! I used to accredit the ringing in my ears to my back pain.

      Jul 1, 2008 at 1:33 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #61   Chris

    I received a letter like this from an eye doctor after he did a procedure that made me lose my eye.

    What a crock of sh!t.

    Jun 27, 2008 at 10:28 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #62   Jais

    Don’t you have physiotherapists in America? So many people commented that you should go to a doctor or an osteopath rather than a chiropractor… but here in Australia, physiotherapists are the non-quack version of chiropractors (although not just for backs of course) so I’m surprised nobody has mentioned it.

    Jun 30, 2008 at 3:48 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #62.1   meg

      Ok I didn’t read any of the comments before posting the comment below, but yes, Jais we do have physiotherapists in America. They are called physical therapits and they are the non-quack version here too. chiropractors are whacko.

      Jul 1, 2008 at 10:44 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #63   meg

    boo chiropractics! see a physical therapist!

    Jul 1, 2008 at 10:43 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #64   pers bang

    My neck is f*cked after I was rear-ended by an idiot. I have been going to the physiotherapist since then (two weeks ago) and I’m feeling better day by day.

    F*ck Chiropracters. A woman died in my city a few years back from a stroke brought on by the chiropacter’s “adjustments” – she died right there in his office. They are such quacks – you’d have more luck dangling a chicken head over your sore back and singing “I’m a little teapot”.

    Jul 2, 2008 at 1:00 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #65   fermentsindarkness

    I don’t think physical therapists can even take x-rays. Actually they, the PTs, can’t order anything. A PT is a helper to a MD wholly subservient to the MDs order . Unable to diagnose, unable to treat with independence, and unable to act as a portal of entry doctor it seems from the comments that PTs have MD and even DC envy.

    Do a websearch for Failed Back Surgery Syndrome. If you have a beloved that is hurt send them to the chiropractor or accept the responsibility when the medics mangle him or her.

    I wonder how many Olympic teams have chiropractors? I know a number of professional and college teams that have chiropractors.

    Try google and the following: Judge Susan Getzendanner AMA Chiropractic. This, for me, explains the bias against chiros and those whom left nasty anti-chiropractic comments its not your fault… you only know what you know and you have been lied to for 203 years. I too was raised in a medicine cabinet but now I know better… mostly thanks to my chiropractor.

    Jul 7, 2008 at 1:13 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #65.1   altered

      fermentsindarkness, are your e-meter treatments part of the package, or do you pay for those separate from the subluxation adjustments?

      Jul 22, 2008 at 6:16 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #65.2   fermentsindarkness

      No E meter or Xenu stuff here… I am just reading about the federal MD’s in Mississippi that injected black men with syphilis and watched the disease progress as they “pretended” to treat the victims

      Great history medicine has.

      Jul 31, 2008 at 4:14 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
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  • #67   Nick

    Just dropping my 2 cents in here for what it’s worth. The chiro who sent that letter is an idiot. Prepay plans etc are awful, but it is what many are having to do to try to survive in the insurance market.

    I am a chiropractic physician who trained at the National Naval Medical Center alongside all other types of doctors… doing everything including surgery during my training. If you need a good doctor, they are out there.

    Good luck

    Jan 12, 2009 at 8:30 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
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  • #70   nathalie

    It’s been proven that cracking your back works as well as aspirin, you have to take it again and again- and it only affects pain in the back- nothing else… Yes, this has really been proven by scientist.
    If you have to go, at least think of this:
    ¤ Say no if they want to correct your neck- it can make veins burst at the top and you get blood clogs that travel to your brain a.k.a you die :(
    ¤ Don’t let them X-ray you (think about it, really, the whole spine? why do you think you should wear led dresses even when you’re at the dentists office)

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