The hot topic at this year’s Warped Tour

September 15th, 2008 · 161 comments

Spotted by Christina in Minnesota at the Angels & Airwaves merch booth…

IF YOU DON'T TIP YOU'RE RACIST P.S. If it's good enough for a picture it's good enough for a tip. Take a picture and don't tip and I'll break your camera in front of you. Love you. -XO-

Can’t read the smaller writing? here’s a (blurry) close-up:

P.S. If it's good enough for a picture it's good enough for a tip. Take a picture and don't tip and I'll break your camera in front of you. Love you. -XO-

(As it turns out, Christina says, it was an empty threat.)

related: The chav’s guide to SXSW

FILED UNDER: Minnesota · not-so-veiled threats · signed with love · tipping · xoxo


161 responses so far ↓

  • #1   Paige

    “I’ll break your camera in front of you. Love you.”
    Now that’s what I call tough love.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 1:04 am   rating: 16  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   aaa

      This dude just has commitment issues. “I love you! GET AWAY FROM ME!”

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:26 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.2   Claire bang

      My god! If the anger includes “breaking the camera in front of you”, what does this anger management class escapee do behind your back……

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:04 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.3   LS77

      No wonder this person has “zero friends”.

      Ask for a tip and I’ll run away with your jar!

      Sep 17, 2008 at 1:27 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #2   ellemarie bang

    “If it’s good enough for a picture, it’s good enough for a tip.”

    now THIS GUY understands what strippers put up with.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 1:11 am   rating: 47  small thumbs up

     
  • #3   bean

    At least they spelled “you’re” correctly : )

    Too bad they don’t know what racism is…

    Sep 15, 2008 at 1:18 am   rating: 38  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   kookyknut

      I was thinking the EXACT same thing RE: “At least they spelled “you’re” correctly : )”

      :)

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:00 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.2   Canthz_B bang

      Agreed, Bean.
      Some kids trying to get attention going a bit too far, bless their hearts. :-)

      Sep 15, 2008 at 12:07 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.3   anglophile bang

      Would have been nice if he’d remembered the apostrophe in don’t, though.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 12:10 pm   rating: 17  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.4   amazon bang

      you have to appreciate the little victories.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 12:29 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.5   Claire bang

      It is because the writer of this note could not spell “damn tight-wad”

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:06 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.6   Claire bang

      This placard writer must be a former English major at some posh university…he/she used the correct punctuation for the contraction of “it is” and certainly the end commentary “I love you” makes me wonder…do you? Do you love me? Even if I take a picture, but run away quickly without buying a stupid t-shirt and without leaving a tip?

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:10 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.7   D

      I think “If you don’t tip, you’re racist” is pretty funny. It sure as hell beats “you’re gay.”

      Sep 30, 2008 at 10:54 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #4   Sydney

    Oh look, a “Zero Friends” sticker for a hint of inadvertent irony.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 1:29 am   rating: 19  small thumbs up

     
  • #5   Brian

    Being a fellow merchie I understand the tip signs. Big, loud, obnoxious, original. Whatever gets noticed and gets you that dollar. Hell, sometimes we might even be working for whatever you drop in there. Be generous.

    That being said, this sign belongs to my good friend, Brad. He and I worked together on a tour this spring and we both ended up on Warped. I was working backstage, he was busting ass as a merchie for 12-14 hour days. He’s a good guy.

    If people didn’t tip when that sign was up we used to tell them to go back to the Klan meeting.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 1:30 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   bean

      I’ve worked merch before, and if you’re working for tips, you screwed yourself.

      I tip band members who work merch, usually because I plan on stealing their music, but never because they were able to dig out a large for me.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 1:55 am   rating: 22  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.2   Joe

      Wait, so when we go to a show, and we buy a shirt or something that hasn’t been through half a dozen middle-men, but still costs $15, I assume that a fairly good-sized profit goes to the band and the merch dealers. So why do we have to tip?

      And what’s the deal with the bit about taking pictures? Do people ask the merch guy to see a certain shirt, take a picture of it, then say they don’t want to buy it?

      Sep 15, 2008 at 8:39 am   rating: 32  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.3   Joe

      Wait, the picture comment is about the passive-aggressive tip sign, isn’t it? Man, I’m a little slow this morning. But I’m serious about my other question. Can someone (Brian?) tell me why people who sell shirts at a merchandise booth expect tips? I don’t tip my grocer, bank teller, mechanic, or cable guy then they serve me.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 8:48 am   rating: 27  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.4   aaa

      Well Joe, they are delivering it to you. I mean, it takes a lot of effort to dig a shirt out of a pile and hand it to you.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:30 am   rating: 30  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.5   aaa

      Brian, you and Brad keep on calling your customers racist when they don’t tip. I’m sure Angels and Airwaves loves it when you alienate their customers.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:39 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.6   treb

      I’m still confused on this issue. Is it really expected that merchies receive tips? I’ve never once in my life considered that was a possibility.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:54 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.7   aaa

      I’m pretty sure the only ones expecting it are the merchies.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:58 am   rating: 24  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.8   amazon bang

      If the sales people at the mall start putting out tip jars next to their registers, I think I’ll switch to buying all of my stuff online.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 12:32 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.9   aaa

      The coffee place at the mall where I live has a tip jar by the register, but that seems to be more of a coffee shop thing than a mall thing (all the Starbucks I’ve been to have them).

      But I stay the fuck away from the mall because of the pushy cell phone kiosk dudes. They piss me right the fuck off.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.10   sweetsweetback

      You live in a mall?!

      Sep 15, 2008 at 1:41 pm   rating: 32  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.11   aaa

      Fuck yeah!

      I guess I should’ve put a “by” or “around” in there, but fuck that shit. I’m gonna be ambiguous.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 1:44 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.12   Juliet

      Where do you get band t-shirts for $15? The last few times I’ve been to a concert the shirts run $35-$50. For a t-shirt. And merch people work for tips? Really? Why would anyone do that? Maybe some unknown band might need someone working for tips, but seriously a band like ‘Angels and Airwaves’ can afford to pay someone to sell their merch.

      I never buy those t-shirts, so I guess the tipping part has never come up.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:25 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.13   Xtroll

      To Amazon who says he’s going to start buying everything online when the stores in the malls put out a tip jar, what are you going to do when the online sellers expect a tip?

      Sep 15, 2008 at 3:13 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.14   Canthz_B bang

      Yeah, Amazons are known for being male. :roll:

      Sep 15, 2008 at 3:37 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.15   amazon bang

      You wouldn’t believe how many times I get referred to as “he” online… I guess I shouldn’t assume that people know who the Amazons are.

      Gender issues aside, Xtroll, I think I’ll become a freegan at that point!

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:24 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.16   lizzie

      “You live in a mall?” is now officially my favorite comment on any blog. Ever.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:40 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.17   Claire bang

      Tip the t-shirt merch??? After you pay for a couple of tickets, buy a t-shirt, and have a couple of beers (or any of the overpriced concoctions offerred at the beverage stand), you’re already compromised your grocery bill and utility bill payments for that month. Most of the concert merchs I have come across are a bit noxious and have a diffciult time ascertaining what sizes the t-shirts they sell come in.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:15 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #6   Alex

    I’ve never, ever, ever tipped somebody for handing me a T-shirt. I guess I’m just racist?

    Sep 15, 2008 at 1:41 am   rating: 53  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   Joe

      Do you tip the checker at Whole Foods? No? Racist. He ought to break your eggs in front of you. Especially if you’re a woman.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 8:49 am   rating: 42  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.2   Xtroll

      I’m not a racist, I hate everyone!

      Sep 15, 2008 at 3:20 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.3   Canthz_B bang

      Sociopaths don’t have much fun at parties! ;-)

      Sep 15, 2008 at 3:40 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.4   Claire bang

      I think I would rather just push my way to the front of the stage and stuff dollar bills into the pants of the most attractive band members.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:16 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.5   Canthz_B bang

      Should humorless asspandas who couldn’t recognize a joke if it bit them on the buttocks be giving tips at all?

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:00 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.6   agirlie bang

      Yeah, the photographer is a family member and she couldn’t even explain to me why it was racist not to tip. It is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen though.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:09 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.7   Canthz_B bang

      Well, it’s NOT funny, but at least it’s a joke… that much any fungus should be able to understand. ;-)

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:36 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.8   Toopillow

      Being racist would imply that you hate the human race. I’m with you on that one.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 3:35 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #7   Sirius bang

    If you sell Angels & Airwaves crap, especially for tips, then I hate your race. Even if it’s also mine.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 4:19 am   rating: 45  small thumbs up

     
  • #8   Woman on the Verge bang

    No Tipping=Racist? Um… huh? And all along I thought racism had to do with ethnicity! Wow.

    The beauty is that the BIG sign is passive aggressive, but the small print is just like the small print in any contract – aggressive as hell.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 8:03 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

     
  • #9   claw71 bang

    So that’s the secret? I can wantonly hurl racial epithets and openly express my belief that the white race is superior to all others as long as I tip the mud people. That’s great. I’ve been getting pretty damned tired of always having to watch what I say for fear of being labled a racist. So here’s a finski, you big dumb monkey, go buy yourself a banana.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 8:16 am   rating: 45  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   Numinous bang

      I love you

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:47 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.2   claw71 bang

      Oops…here’s another five-spot for the lady…maybe now you can spring for a bucket of Original Recipe.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:59 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.3   Numinous bang

      Hmmmm…. what can I do with $5?

      It’ll probably get me a cheap bottle of wine.

      If you give me $10, I’ll let you watch what I do with the empty bottle.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 3:06 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.4   claw71 bang

      Oh my, you sound like somebody I know. Somebody sick and twisted.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 3:11 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.5   Numinous bang

      I understand that’s what you like.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 3:20 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.6   Claire bang

      claw71, you’re so darned cute when you get all riled up…! Sigh…!

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:18 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.7   RunBarbara bang

      claw’s even cuter when he is elbow deep in your ass and making you renounce God.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:20 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.8   claw71 bang

      That was really just for you, RB. We have something special, something…deep…well, at least you do and that’s good enough for me.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:34 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.9   RunBarbara bang

      you and every Asian guy from here to Bangkok.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:38 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #10   anglophile bang

    Maybe if he stopped trying to Beat the Union, he would find out he’d get better pay as a union member, and not have to rely on tips so much. Merchies Unite!

    Sep 15, 2008 at 9:00 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

     
  • #11   John

    If you don’t get a real job you’re a pathetic loser.

    Why would anybody by anything from a place with that horrible sign?

    Why would anyone tip someone selling merchandise? Tipping is for sit-down restaurants, taxi cabs, bellhops and food delivery guys. Nobody selling merchandise deserves any tip ever. Do they come to your seat and bring the merchandise to you? Or, do you stand in line and wait to be served. I don’t stand in line to give away money.

    Maybe it’s a generational thing. I don’t buy clothing at music venues. I don’t wear clothing that has logos and names on it. I don’t give away free money out of pity. I also don’t feel the slightest need to accommodate people who feel entitled to handouts because of their race.

    Sink or swim, kiddies. You’ll never have anything as long as you sit back and wait for someone else to give it to you.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 9:03 am   rating: 45  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   claw71 bang

      Sink or swim, kiddies… Seriously?

      Please grandpa, tell us another story about how awesome you are.

      Man I don’t know what’s worse entitlement-minded T-shirt vendors or self-righteous geezers who think they walked to school up hill both ways.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:17 am   rating: 38  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.2   aaa

      Well, you know those young whippersnappers these days with their internet and their iPods and their Easy Mac and underwear just don’t appreciate how much the previous generations have worked to get them those luxuries.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:35 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.3   claw71 bang

      Let’s see, the so-called Greatest Generation spent my entire childhood convincing me that the world was going to end in THE YEAR 2000 and the Baby Boomers are going to deplete all of our resources in the next 15 years. What am I supposed to appreciate again?

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:39 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.4   aaa

      That you’re not part of the “Greatest” Generation, so you automatically suck. Now you start kissing their collective ass, you not greatest person you!

      The only reason that I don’t have to kiss their ass is because my Gen X parents told my Gen Y self that I’m a special and unique human being, so I’m gonna go revel in how fucking awesome I am.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:48 am   rating: 21  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.5   John

      If you accept a job selling overpriced tee shirts to a bunch of 20-somethings and are willing to work for tips – - expect no sympathy when your clientele doesn’t cough up the massive gratuities you were expecting.

      You’ll never see a plumber out of work for long, but immerse yourself in pop culture and focus on developing your “artistic abilities” and you’ll eventually discover you can’t retire to your parents’ basement.

      Children raised in the Welfare/Food Stamp / Medicaid / Public Housing subculture and do nothing to improve their situation … they at least have the corrections system to fall back on in retirement.

      BTW, “Grandpa”? I’m 6 years older than you, Claw71 … but that’s just chronologically.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:39 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.6   claw71 bang

      Well those extra six years have turned you into quite the boring asshole.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:43 am   rating: 26  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.7   anglophile bang

      Children raised in the Welfare/Food Stamp / Medicaid / Public Housing subculture and do nothing to improve their situation … they at least have the corrections system to fall back on in retirement.

      Huh? I bet dollars to donuts this kid grew up in a solid middle-class home and thinks he’s living the bohemian lifestyle, being all rebellious and shit. He’s not going to work some crappy office job like his old man.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:50 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.8   The Lion

      First, lets not generalize all children raised on public assistance. My single mom got medicaid and welfare when I was a young tike and I am not taking help from anyone now, thank you. I take care of myself.

      Second, aaa, my Baby Boomer momma taught my Gen Y self that I was a special and unique person too! I often have to inform others of this fact, and how more special and more unique I am than they are.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 12:26 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.9   Canthz_B bang

      I just think it’s so nice how “The Greatest Generation” conveniently forgets about being “on relief” and working government hand-out WPA jobs.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 12:46 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.10   aaa

      Yeah, The Lion, but I’m way more fucking specialer than you are.

      And what the hell’s this crap about us lazy young hooligans being raised on public assistance? anglophile’s right. Personally, I was raised in a middle class home, am trying to feel special by being “different,” and plan on leeching off my parents until I’m at least 30.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 1:41 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.11   Canthz_B bang

      “Children raised in the Welfare/Food Stamp / Medicaid / Public Housing subculture…”

      Yeah, don’tcha miss the good old days of high infant mortality, hunger and tenement housing with communal bathrooms?

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:02 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.12   aaa

      Technically, right now is still part of the good old days of high infant mortality. At least when you compare our infant mortality rates to that of other countries.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.13   Canthz_B bang

      It’s all relative. Rates are much lower than they were before the “Great Society” programs were put into effect, and, average life expectancy has increased across the board as a result. ;-)

      I just find it is always interesting that such topics are brought up when Race is brought up because more people of the majority population are beneficiaries of these social programs than people of the minority population.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:41 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.14   Canthz_B bang

      Poverty is color-blind.

      sorry, my edit timed out ;-)

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:48 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.15   Mark bang

      Nuh-uh! It’s all them black mexican muslin a-rabs what are bein welfare queens and all!

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:49 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.16   Canthz_B bang

      The worst part is that they don’t tip for shit!!

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:58 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.17   claw71 bang

      The worst tippers just put “McCain/Palin” stickers over their “W” decals.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 3:02 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.18   Canthz_B bang

      That’s because they see tipping as a tax on the consumer class, but writing off mortgage interest is just an incentive for home buyers. :mrgreen:

      Sep 15, 2008 at 3:52 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.19   Canthz_B bang

      “I also don’t feel the slightest need to accommodate people who feel entitled to handouts because of their race.”

      I just must ask, “John”, how do you feel about “accommodating” people based on their needs, regardless of their “Race”? Should poor children of any “Race” starve or live in squalid housing? Are some lives of more value than others?

      *believe me, I’ve tried all day to keep that to myself! :-)

      Sep 15, 2008 at 4:20 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.20   John

      Honest answer, Canthz?

      I am only responsible for myself. I wouldn’t volunteer a single penny to charity, social programs or entitlement programs or a moment of my time to help out anyone.

      The govt already takes a big chunk of my pay and that’s enough.

      I grew up very poor with no assistance from anyone. The responsibility for the starving children you speak of lies with their parents, not me. (Starving cuts down on the childhood obesity rate – so I don’t have to fund their diabetes medication when they get older.)

      Besides, merely by being an American taxpayer, I am already counted among the most generous philanthropists in the world.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 4:51 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.21   Canthz_B bang

      Thanks for being honestly self-important, John.
      I’d bet you’d be surprised at just how much help you really had while growing up poor, though. Even if you just looked at the fact that the milk you drank was priced lower because of tax-funded subsidies keeping milk affordable. Yes, someone’s tax dollars helped you get a glass of milk.
      Did you get a school lunch? A ride on a school bus? Electricity? All of these things are subsidised to some degree by tax dollars.
      Thanks for giving back as a taxpayer.

      Oh, and about that student loan…you’re welcome.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 4:59 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.22   claw71 bang

      Hey John, can you be sure to tattoo this sentiment on your forehead so I’m sure not to do something untoward like, oh I don’t know, slap you on the back when you’re choking your inflated ego?

      Also, is John your real name? Because you seem like a natural dick to me.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:02 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.23   Mark bang

      “Let those poor go to the prisons and the Union workhouses, and if they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:13 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.24   Canthz_B bang

      Just don’t send him to a hospital that accepts Medicaid money to stay open while he’s choking on that ego.
      He’s total independent of government assistance in any way, shape or form!

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:15 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.25   bean

      He didn’t need any hugs growing up either, apparently. So much for the communal species.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:52 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.26   Canthz_B bang

      “*totally*”

      Didn’t need, or didn’t get hugs?
      Either way this man thinks he’s an island…poor deluded fool that he is. :-|

      Sep 15, 2008 at 6:11 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.27   Claire bang

      You make sane, concise points, John, about not tipping merchs. Are you a racist?

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:19 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.28   Canthz_B bang

      Actually, because I just can’t let stupidity speak unchallenged, poverty leads to more obesity and diabetes because people tend to purchase low cost, high calorie, low protein foods when they have less money to spend.
      Poor neighborhoods have a dearth of good quality grocery stores so access to good, fresh fruits and vegetables is often severely curtailed for those living in such neighborhoods.

      John, can you really be as dense as you make yourself sound? I really hope not. ;-)

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:18 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.29   Canthz_B bang

      I’m no bleeding-heart Liberal, but I’m not blind either.

      And, just for the record, if you have 6 years on claw, I have a few years on you!

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:24 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.30   tinkerbell2

      John – ‘The responsibility for the starving children you speak of lies with their parents, not me. ‘

      Did you really just say that? I’m speechless. And you, sir, are a total bell-end.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 7:26 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.31   Phat girl

      I think we’ve found the liberals in the house. Canthz B you may say you are no bleeding heart liberal but you are. Don’t be ashamed, own it. But please do stop telling John’s he so self-important and self-centered when you can’t seem to let anyone except yourself share an opinion without being attacked. I am not in agreement with John on the “no responsibility to my fellow man” stand, but I am also not in agreement that it is my responsibility to help people who have other options besides welfare. I was taught by members of the “greatest generation” that charity is for the old and/or sick and/or disabled. Not for someone who wants to live without working. If there is no work around, go to where the work is. If others can work and pay the taxes that you receive benefits from then you can too. It may be harder for some, but the last time I checked anything you have to work harder for is worth more. Sound harsh. It is supposed to. This country is in kazillions of dollars of debt and yet if a woman has a baby and no “man” to support her it is now my responsiblity to do so. I have a problem with that. I do not have a problem with our country providing everyone with a free education and free health care but never ever is it OK to give a perfectly healthy person free money. That only encourages dependance. You can say that the money is for the child not the mother and yet I still say no. If you have a child you cannot feed, shelter, or clothe on your own than your options should be to depend on your family or go to a govt. sponsored home where those things are provided for you along with opportunity to improve yourself and nothing else. Since when has it become my job to make being poor easier on the poor. On that note just let me say to John that yes, it is all our responsibility to try and never let any child, or disabled person go hugry. I mean damnit man there’s a difference between forcing people to be responsible for themselves and letting people starve, have you no soul?

      Sep 16, 2008 at 1:59 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.32   Canthz_B bang

      Then they should have rejected the GI Bill that paid for their college educations.

      I’m not a liberal, I would own it if I were, I’m a moderate.

      I only read your diatribe that far because I soon lost interest in the project. ;-)

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:04 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.33   claw71 bang

      Phat girl, go away, you don’t want any of this. You really don’t. You’re uninformed and ill-equipped for this discussion. Go back to your Rush Limbaugh broadcast and be well.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:14 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.34   Canthz_B bang

      We are in the end of times…the lambs are leading themselves to the slaughter. :roll:

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:22 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.35   claw71 bang

      …and for the record I’m a liberal, but that’s because I’m on welfare and food stamps…I could work but it turns out that John’s wife doesn’t and I like to have the free time so I can go over there and play hide the python with her. She loves it. They all do.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:30 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.36   John

      Fine. Just keep reproducing beyond your available resources and then when others don’t come to your rescue … call them names.

      Ad Hominem arguments are the last resort of those desperate folks who find themselves without a legitimate point to make.

      Tip whomever you want. Throw away as much of your money as you care to. Personal wealth only has value when there is a firm foundation of have-nots for it to rest on. So, I encourage you to deplete yourselves.

      This thread has exceeded the scope of the forum and should be ended.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:30 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.37   Canthz_B bang

      “Personal wealth only has value when there is a firm foundation of have-nots for it to rest on. “

      Is that a direct quote from Adam Smith’s “Wealth of Nations”? I don’t recognize it.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:34 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.38   RunBarbara bang

      being pregnant makes me feel so sexy. the big, glossy belly the same texture as a zit ready to pop…besides the added benefit of bumping me into the next welfare bracket, that alone is enough of a reason to carry a child. luckily, im super fertile. i almost starved to death when i was dancing because of people like you who dont believe in tipping…although, if youre the same john that i think you are, you had no problems stuffing soggy ones into my g-string.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:34 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.39   Mishee bang

      Was Phat Girl saying anything important? I started to read her post, but I got as far as “…bleeding heart liberal…” and then soon lost interest in the project…

      *sigh*

      Damn ADD!

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:38 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.40   Canthz_B bang

      Of course, the true value of personal wealth is in doing something of humane value with said wealth.
      Or have you not heard that you cannot take it with you?

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:40 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.41   claw71 bang

      John in all sincerity can I just say fuck off? You’re the insufferable prick who turned a light-hearted board in a socio political discussion with your holier-than-thou diatribe. Of course people disagreed with you and some of us tried to do it with the same snarky humor we reserve for everyday comments. Pardon me if you take yourself too seriously to get your point across with a little levity. I’m sorry that your puckered ass is too tight to let you laugh once in a while.

      This thread stop being useful the minute you placed a period at the end of the first sentence in your first post. If you don’t like it, go away and regale your like-minded bigoted friends with your opinions. Don’t get pissed off just because the clowns on this site are smarter than you are. We don’t need your shit. Bring a sense of humor or hit the highway.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:43 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.42   Canthz_B bang

      What claw said!

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:47 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.43   Mishee bang

      “period”

      Sep 16, 2008 at 2:59 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.44   Canthz_B bang

      Dontcha hate it when someone stirs a turd in here and then declares that the turd should stop spinning at their last word?

      The nerve of some people!

      Sep 16, 2008 at 3:04 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.45   Mishee bang

      ummm… CB – I am pretty sure the turds are on the next thread up…

      I mean, I saw a picture of them and everything!

      Sep 16, 2008 at 3:28 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.46   Phat girl

      You are so totally right. You should get claw71 to tell him to go away like he did me, ’cause that’s how to handle people who disagree with you. OOh and then you can say you’re only being defensive on behalf of the grammer police for using irregardless or your instead of you’re. Either way all this snarky wit has really changed my opinion of everything. You smarty pants jokers, if only someone had shown me how to change the world for the better with rudeness and spellcheck I would have conformed to your way of thinking long before I wasted all those tax dollars on a college education (thanks anyway Cantzb). Well I’d love to stay and chat but I’m off to the welfare to get my check and ADD meds.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 3:35 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.47   Canthz_B bang

      Why bother? You didn’t listen to claw’s instructions. Perhaps because you haven’t picked up your ADD meds quite yet.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 3:43 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.48   claw71 bang

      Phat girl, the reason I dismissed you is because you’re making an uninformed argument that is based in your gross misunderstanding of welfare and other social programs. You seem to be of the opinion that people on welfare are simply lazy and unwilling to work. That’s not true. The fact of the matter is that 90% of the people on welfare are working hard to get off of it. They want to get good jobs and pay their own way because welfare doesn’t provide enough money, food or medical care.

      There are some people who take advantage but they are the exceptions and not the rule. The rule is divorced mothers with dead beat dads failing to provide child support. The rule is people who couldn’t get an education because they grew up in poverty and they had no books. The rule is people who desperately want to move to where the jobs are but they can’t put together enough money to get there.

      So, I’m sorry if you feel as though I was being glib. You came across as ignorant and I didn’t want to waste my time. If you care to dabble in reality and not sensationalized arguments against social programs I can accommodate you. Otherwise, please see the last comment.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 3:47 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.49   Canthz_B bang

      No, claw…let the shoe-less masses pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.
      Then they’ll know the value of boots!
      Of course, like with welfare, we’ll provide them boots, but once they get on their feet they will be required to pay the cost back. After all, nothing is free.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 3:57 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.50   Phat girl

      Well all those years as a social specialist with the JTPA (job training partnership act) and then for the WIA (workforce investment act) left me more than a little bitter with not only the recipients (don’t fool yourself into believing that taking advantage is the exception not the rule) but also with the program directors who don’t care about anything except where the next big government check they can misapropriate will come from. And it was not your thinking I was coming off as ignorant (considering my masters in social work and the source of the thought) that bothered me it was that someone said I liked Rush Limbaugh and that really stings.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 3:58 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.51   Canthz_B bang

      I don’t think you are ignorant, Phat girl, just jaded.
      You’ve forgotten about the people who needed the help and begun to resent those that, in your opinion, misuse the system.
      You’ve also forgotten that while you worked for these programs you received a nice, taxpayer funded, paycheck!
      Was your salary part of your misappropriation of funds calculation?

      Sep 17, 2008 at 12:10 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.52   Canthz_B bang

      What type of MSW are you if you think that the people you studied to serve are unworthy of your service?
      You value your degree more than your profession. You are committing the sin of Pride. You have abandoned your true calling and your true self.
      See what happens when you fuck around with your own ethics?

      Sep 17, 2008 at 12:35 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.53   kansas girl

      “You smarty pants jokers, if only someone had shown me how to change the world for the better with rudeness and spellcheck…”

      OMG, is that the purpose of PAN.com? I had no idea! And here all I’ve done is post a few fluffy attempts at humor. I had better pull out some of the serious stuff I wrote in school on how to change the world for the better.

      Oct 5, 2008 at 6:35 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #12   aaa

    Fella, did you ever consider you weren’t getting any tips because you’re a pissy person and that it has nothing to do with where your ancestors came from? Oh, you didn’t? Not surprised, that would require you to acknowledge you’re the one in the wrong. Also, threatening to damage a customer’s property for not doing something they’re not required to do? That’s a nice touch.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 9:21 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #13   Ti O bang

    You’re selling overpriced cheapass t-shirts for an equally crap band and your want a tip? Well here is one, get off the pipe and go back to school maybe take a marketing class jackass.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 9:38 am   rating: 27  small thumbs up

    • #13.1   aaa

      Aw, but calling people who don’t tip racist isn’t an accepted business practice.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:42 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #14   ellemarie bang

    I can understand the desire to earn tips, I don’t think this guy is in the wrong for putting the sign up… but I can tell you right now, I sure wouldn’t tip him.

    The miserable kid at the register at Stop & Shop had a tip box next to him when I was buying groceries the other day, and yeah, I felt kinda sorry for him… but just because you work in customer service does not mean you deserve a tip. Who has the money to tip EVERY SINGLE grocery store clerk, retail salesperson, and fast food cashier they come across? Not me. I wait tables for a living.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 10:11 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   madison

      “I wait tables for a living.”

      Can we please not go there????

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:36 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.2   coo-coo cachoo

      Oh good god ellemarie I am putting you in the ReTardis so you can visit the PAN on tipping.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:52 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.3   Paintball "Punk"

      I will gladly tip someone who brings me breakfast and refills my coffee.
      But someone who has to bend over and pull a tshirt out of a bin? Keep dreaming, you big dumb monkey.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:25 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.4   Canthz_B bang

      Monkeys are really quite intelligent, I don’t think you tip very well, Paintball. ;-)

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:52 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.5   aaa

      coo-coo cachoo, please lock her and everyone else that brings up tipping servers in the ReTardis . There’s enough pissiness on that post for all of PAN.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 1:32 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.6   Canthz_B bang

      But servers work really really really hard for very little in wages and if you’ve never been a server you cannot know how hard they work and if you don’t tip you should eat at McDonalds and just in case you haven’t heard flushing your toilet with the lid up deposits fecal matter on your toothbrush!!

      *out of breath

      Sep 15, 2008 at 1:55 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.7   aaa

      Oh my. CB, I think you just about made my brain explode.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:33 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.8   ellemarie bang

      The ReTardis… well, is David Tennant there? Doesn’t sound so bad to me…

      Okay okay, I’m not complaining about whether or not people tip ME, I’m just saying I think the American economy is fucked up enough right now that nobody wants to have to tip any more than they already do.

      However, maybe if I wait tables wearing this sleazy unitard I will make better tips…

      Sep 15, 2008 at 2:43 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.9   Coo coo Cachoo

      Hahahahahaha :lol: CB oh man that was too much man! I know it is true they do work hard and that fecal mist is everywhere I read about it somewhere and saw it on Mythbusters.

      Ellemarie – Darling the unitard makes you so alluring with it’s funkiness.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 7:36 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #15   anglophile bang

    Finally! A place for those Canadian pennies my bank won’t accept. Thanks, Mr. Entitlement!

    Sep 15, 2008 at 10:12 am   rating: 32  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   aaa

      Damn, and here I was just gonna dump all my chewed gum and dog feces there. But dicking them over financially is a much more sinister idea.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:20 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.2   Holiday Djinn

      Problem is Canadian change is now worth more than the U.S. equivalent.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:58 am   rating: 17  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.3   amazon bang

      No aaa, chewed gum is saved for under the car door handles of people who park like a-holes.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:31 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.4   bean

      god that’s genius! If only I ever had gum!!

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:57 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.5   Quite Contrary

      If you don’t have gum, glue also works well. Be sure to not put it on smoothly so when it dries, they will have no idea what they are touching.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 7:17 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.6   SarahBelle

      15.3: That’s fucking genious!

      Sep 18, 2008 at 6:01 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #16   Miss Emma

    WTF? I’ve worked merch for bands before and never, ever expected a tip. For what? Handing someone a shirt or a sticker?

    The only “tip” I’ve ever gotten was a girl who bought me a beer once because she dropped her wallet under the merch table and I tracked her down in the crowd and returned it to her.

    The owner of this sign is a complete ass.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 10:35 am   rating: 23  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   coo-coo cachoo

      Hooray Miss Emma! Wanna make out? :lol:

      Sep 15, 2008 at 10:53 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #16.2   Miss Emma

      heh. Mr. Emma might have a problem with that. But sure! ;)

      Sep 16, 2008 at 12:52 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #17   gwennie

    I don’t get it! What’s up with that white square???

    Sep 15, 2008 at 10:56 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   claw71 bang

      The white square represents the oppressive nature of the white man. If you look closely you will see that the white square is placed over a black line. That black line represents the black man’s struggle to walk the narrow line of social acceptance. So for god’s sake, tip the man.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:17 am   rating: 25  small thumbs up

       
    • #17.2   paranoiagirl bang

      I think the sign really implies that you should be tipping the white square, based on said square’s placement after the phrase “IF YOU DONT TIP”. It wouldn’t be difficult to find at least one “white square” at Warped Tour.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 6:14 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #18   Michelle

    Stop assuming the sign was written by a black guy. It wasn’t. It’s just a jokey inflammatory thing to prompt some tipping as Brian stated above. It’s frikkin warped tour for crying out loud. Not exactly a bastion of Black Panthers ya’ stupid geezers.

    Here’s a $, Brad.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 11:33 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   claw71 bang

      So a brotha can’t get a ticket to the Warped Tour? Who’s racist now?

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:40 am   rating: 15  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.2   S&M

      Really Michelle? No Shit? Thanks for clearing that up. Happy birthday, fuck you, where is my dollar? So your saying that you want your emo-pseudo-wannabe-punk party to stay lilly white huh?
      I would stick my geriatric cane up your ass but I have to wait in line behind your Dad and uncles.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:44 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.3   Michelle

      @ Claw
      Not unless he’s signed under the Decaydence label! :)

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:45 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.4   S&M

      fuck no edit…

      your –> you’re

      well that completely ruined that ribald petard.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:53 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.5   Michelle

      Don’t sweat it S&M. It was misplaced anyway.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 11:57 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #19   Canthz_B bang

    What does tipping have to do with liking NASCAR?

    Sep 15, 2008 at 11:46 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #20   cre8tivewmn

    I’m going to hate myself for this…..but everytime I see clips of photos of NASCAR those cars are tipping as they go through a curve.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 12:10 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #20.1   Canthz_B bang

      The Budweiser guzzling spectators are also a bit tipsy! :-P

      Sep 15, 2008 at 12:52 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #21   Lisa

    Tip a salesperson?? Are you kidding me? You can call me whatever you want, but you can also kiss my happy ass if you expect me to tip you for doing nothing more than taking my money. Ridiculous.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 2:41 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

     
  • #22   orangetiki

    I still see it’s hip to be anti-social.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 3:58 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #22.1   Canthz_B bang

      A poor rationalization invented by the likability-challenged! LOL

      Sep 15, 2008 at 4:06 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.2   Claire bang

      It’s only cool if you wear a really cool honest-to-god black leather bomber jacket and truly can pretend not to care….obviously, the “I love you” strips away this poser’s brittle shell to reveal a burned-out extentionalist…

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:24 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #23   Ryan

    Rascism – sounds like they have a case of asshole-ism….

    Sep 15, 2008 at 4:46 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #23.1   Canthz_B bang

      Hey, the Musician Race has legitimate gripes against “The Man”!!

      “Mr. Big” just does not feel them! :-D

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:10 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #23.2   Paintball "Punk"

      These aren’t musicians…. these are…. roadies. -shudder-

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:23 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #23.3   Canthz_B bang

      Don’t wannabes count for anything anymore? :???:

      Sep 15, 2008 at 5:25 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #23.4   Claire bang

      Actually, this is how J. D. Salinger had predicted Holden would have turned out had he lived to grow into adulthood. Writing angry signs while selling t-shirts while questioning why didn’t he end it all during prep school.

      Sep 15, 2008 at 9:22 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #23.5   Ryan

      Speaking of Mr. Caulfield, I think after reading this angry note, I would want to go take a running leap off a cliff!

      Sep 16, 2008 at 1:52 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #24   rlee

    I love it when little skaters that grew up in the suburbs go to such effort to prove what badasses they are.

    Sep 15, 2008 at 11:02 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #25   Yoheimizrahi bang

    Are you playin’ your love games with me, xo?

    Sep 15, 2008 at 11:55 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   Cookieput bang

      I think xo’s love games definitely require a safe word.

      xo’s shrink has probably told him that he has a problem respecting the limits and boundaries of others.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 3:20 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #25.2   Yoheimizrahi bang

      *sob* I let him see my downstairs mixup.

      Sep 16, 2008 at 10:46 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #26   Amy

    I like the dollar bill clipped to the tip jar. “TIP ME! And none of that quarter shit! I’m not spending all night rolling your fucking coins, ya cheapass racist!”

    Sep 16, 2008 at 7:47 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #27   Mickey Blue Eyes

    I saw a similar sign outside a voting booth during the Democrat primaries, except instead of “tip” it said “vote for Obama”.

    That would explain why Hillary didn’t get the nomination. People would rather be misogynists than racists.

    Sep 17, 2008 at 4:11 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #27.1   Mark bang

      Outside a voting booth? Really? Where do you live? Anywhere I’ve lived, it’s been against the law for workers at the voting place to display any campaign materials within 100 feet (or thereabouts) of the location where voting takes place.

      I’ll leave alone your trite Hillary vs Obama dig.

      Sep 17, 2008 at 4:36 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #27.2   Canthz_B bang

      …And that concludes this edition of “Lies and the fools that spread them.”

      Catch ya later, Mickey! ;-)

      Sep 18, 2008 at 6:14 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     

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