One final point: Put the damned phone away! | PassiveAggressiveNotes.com

#1 ben

Why is there no picture? I want to see it! That’s one of my favorite parts of this site.

Dec 17, 2008 at 12:02 pm rating: 3 small thumbs up

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#2 Andy

Deaf flickr.com,

..!..

I want my PAN.

Dec 17, 2008 at 12:08 pm rating: 1 small thumbs up

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#2.1 Andy

One final note: increase the damned bandwidth!

Dec 17, 2008 at 12:16 pm rating: 5

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#3 Gail

Someone needs to fix this post!

Dec 17, 2008 at 12:08 pm rating: 0 small thumbs up

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#4 TryThis

Click the picture box – the pic will come up. There’s just no preview.

Dec 17, 2008 at 12:10 pm rating: 4 small thumbs up

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#5 ME

Oops…someone already mentioned it.

Dec 17, 2008 at 12:10 pm rating: 0 small thumbs up

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#6 Canthz_B bang

I wonder if the professor was on the phone when (s)he wrote “…much additional to add…”, but then, those who can’t…teach.

Dec 17, 2008 at 12:20 pm rating: 9 small thumbs up

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#7 ME

It’s pretty sad his phone is damned. I think mine’s just lazy.

Dec 17, 2008 at 12:21 pm rating: 17 small thumbs up

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#8 mh

Is it bad that I noticed he isn’t using MLA format for his bibliography?

(Why couldn’t his teacher be passive aggressive about that?)

Dec 17, 2008 at 12:47 pm rating: 6 small thumbs up

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#8.1 Canthz_B

“…as you start thinking about the psych article.”

It’s in APA style.
The prof was being PA about it.

Dec 17, 2008 at 1:00 pm rating: 11
#8.2 Martha

After viewing the photo in large size, it appears to say ‘research article’, rather than ‘psych article’.

I think this was a pretty straight forward way to address an obvious issue. I disagree that it’s PA.

Dec 17, 2008 at 1:26 pm rating: 2
#8.3 Kelcy

That’s not APA formatting, either.

Dec 17, 2008 at 1:36 pm rating: 5
#8.4 Canthz_B

I could be wrong, it’s been a few decades since college.

One thing that hasn’t changed is the poor penmanship of profs!

Dec 17, 2008 at 1:54 pm rating: 2
#8.5 Mike

This is my submission actually… The teacher required Chicago.

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:44 pm rating: 2
#8.6 Canthz_B

That settles that.
Thanks, Mike!

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:50 pm rating: 0
#8.7 Ashley

Way to stay anonymous, Mike.

Dec 18, 2008 at 3:22 am rating: 1
#8.8 Mike

The article wasn’t supposed to stay anonymous… I even submitted my name with the image.

Dec 18, 2008 at 2:47 pm rating: 1

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#9 GhostWriter bang

Lemme guess, is your teacher’s name, Mary Kay Letourneau?

Dec 17, 2008 at 1:07 pm rating: 7 small thumbs up

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#9.1 RandyinReno

I regret that I never had a teacher like Mary kay LeTourneau…

Dec 17, 2008 at 1:53 pm rating: 0
#9.2 Shawn

I regret Mary Kay LeTourneau never had a student like me.

Dec 18, 2008 at 2:28 pm rating: 1

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#10 Julia

I always find it funny how people think we don’t know they’re using their phones when they shouldn’t be. It’s so obvious.

“Stealth mode” or not, you’re not as sneaky as you think you are.

Dec 17, 2008 at 1:16 pm rating: 24 small thumbs up

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#10.1 Melanie

And then they act all shocked and surprised when we stop lecture/discussion and say, “Could you please stop texting?” I mean, come on. I’m not a television. I can SEE you, and there are only 14 people in the class!

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:39 pm rating: 42
#10.2 BAM

Oh, it’s even better when the professors in law school can tell that all the furious typing you’re doing on your laptop has nothing to do with taking notes. That’s when they really have fun with the Socratic method…

Dec 17, 2008 at 6:59 pm rating: 8
#10.3 snee

with students in my classes, text face is a dead giveaway–face forward, eyes down, slightly to one side. it’s often accompanied by text arm–one arm straight down.

then there’s the fact that the student desks are only table tops, and I CAN SEE YOU TEXTING, PINHEAD!

Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 pm rating: 31
#10.4 snee

um, yeah. not that anyone actually does distract themselves in my scintillating classes…

Dec 17, 2008 at 8:59 pm rating: 5
#10.5 Saysh

My bro-in-law teaches Jr high history… he takes away the phones of the kids who text and then goes through the phone books, finds their parent’s phone numbers and texts them saying he took their kid’s phones away and why. Then he reads all their texts.. LOL

Dec 17, 2008 at 11:40 pm rating: 11
#10.6 snee

i tell the kids it’s either going to be “phone or ‘bits” and offenders either give up the phone or bring in timbits (tim horton’s donut holes) for the whole class. the teenage code is trumped by desire for treats. they turn each other in, shouting “PHONE OR BITS!”

i teach psych.

Dec 18, 2008 at 12:38 am rating: 57
#10.7 Saysh

Snee, you are my hero!!

All hail SNEE!

Dec 18, 2008 at 12:52 am rating: 3
#10.8 Mike

Oooh, I’m a block from a Tim Horton’s…must get Tim Bits tomorrow.

I’m not the Mike who submitted this item.

Dec 18, 2008 at 2:33 am rating: 0
#10.9 Holiday Djinn

I love it how professors and teachers are still “shocked” that people would rather talk to their friends than listen to their teachers.

In the 30′s and 40′s kids were sneaking in pocket transistor radios.

In the 80′s it was the walkman, then in the 90′s the discman.

Seriously, k-12 is nothing more than a glorified child daycare. Wharehousing the youth and keeping teenagers out of the workforce. College is just highschool with ashtrays.

I paid attention to those professors and teachers that made learning fun, or if not fun, at least those professors who were excited to be in class. Learning like all communication is a two way street. If your message does not connect, nobody is going to listen to you drone on for 30 mins, 50 mins, or 90 mins.

I am very grateful for many of the teachers and professors I had throughout my years of schooling. They made a bad outdated process as good as could be expected. However, there were more than a few teachers I had that were just riding tenure until retirement, who really didn’t give a shit about educating anybody. Those were in my experience usually the biggest assholes about classroom “disruptions”. Why? In my opinion, misery loves company. If they could not be happy, then damn it nobody else would either.

Dec 18, 2008 at 8:25 am rating: 4
#10.10 park rose

Who’s shocked? Yes, there are boring and arrogant teachers. Yes, there are arrogant and inconsiderate students.

At tertiary level, if a student can’t follow instruction, or interact with fellow students due to having something more important to do , then why not do it elsewhere? If you don’t want to come to class, don’t come to class. Why make everyone else suffer with tedious re-explanations of something you missed while you texted your girlfriend?

I think from Snee’s post you can see she has an interactive and engaging class. From the above posts, the only “shock” mentioned was describing student reactions.

Dec 18, 2008 at 8:59 am rating: 13
#10.11 Canthz_B

“In the 30’s and 40’s kids were sneaking in pocket transistor radios.”

They must have been the advanced placement students. They didn’t have to wait for transistor radios to be invented!

Dec 18, 2008 at 12:08 pm rating: 22
#10.12 Ti O

CB in the 30′s my grandfather was stuck with a “wharehouse” full of pocketvictrolas. All the damn whippersnappers wanted to do was listen to Glen Miller on their pocket transistor radios.

Dec 18, 2008 at 12:54 pm rating: 18
#10.13 Canthz_B

Is that a Victrola in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

Dec 18, 2008 at 1:04 pm rating: 5
#10.14 Holiday Djinn

I knew I should have never taken my DS and played it during the 20th century technology lecture during 20th American History 201.

Dec 18, 2008 at 1:10 pm rating: 2
#10.15 Canthz_B

It’s not your fault, HD.
They just didn’t make the subject enough fun to keep your attention.
Because, learning is not important unless it’s entertaining as well.

Dec 18, 2008 at 1:17 pm rating: 9
#10.16 Ti O

You missed the spelling bee on warehouse too HD.

Dec 18, 2008 at 1:34 pm rating: 3
#10.17 Canthz_B

Spelling bees are fun!

Dec 18, 2008 at 1:41 pm rating: 0
#10.18 Kansas girl

I’m with park rose: if you don’t want to listen to the prof – or whatever else you’re supposed to be doing – don’t come to class. Unfortunately in law school most classes have attendance requirements.

I enjoyed most of my law school classes, and even the ones I didn’t, I needed to listen to the prof. The few times I tried to take notes on my computer, I found that (even if I didn’t get distracted by email or games or whatever) I didn’t take notes as effectively, so I didn’t try to mess with that stuff, just used paper. If I needed to goof off (most often in discussion-oriented classes… I had a few classmates who could NOT SHUT UP) I just doodled with the multiple colors of pens and highlighters I usually had with me. I assume this was still visible to profs but I think they found electronic goofing off more disruptive for some reason.

One of my professors called that look “on screen saver” – you know, when the student’s face had gone totally blank. (His attendance policy was more relaxed than most — “try not to be conspicuous by your absence.”)

A few profs started banning computer use in class.

Dec 18, 2008 at 2:04 pm rating: 4
#10.19 park rose

Hey Kansas girl, I was going to mention doodling as a way to pass the time in boring lectures/classes (my timewaster of choice) but wasn’t sure what Claw and RB would do with it. Wait, that’s diddling. Never mind.

Dec 18, 2008 at 9:32 pm rating: 2
#10.20 oh really

If one looks at education as “glorified child daycare” then they’re probably not looking to get much out of that education, are they? I’m not saying I went to every single day of every single class hanging on my teacher’s every word, but I also didn’t go into it with the attitude that the teacher owed it to me to make it all bells, whistles, and a flying trapeze in order to make it OK for me to engage my brain and try to learn something. Sometimes things get boring and sometimes teachers seem miserable because they get classloads of students who would clearly rather cut off an arm than listen to one word out of a teacher’s mouth, and they have no problem showing it. And I’m not a teacher, never have been. I don’t envy any teacher having to deal with a classroom full of kids with phones, iPods, laptops on which they’re “taking notes,” etc… That’s a rough gig.

Dec 27, 2008 at 5:24 am rating: 10

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#11 Canthz Boo-er

Seems to me like those who can’t…spend all their time on this site.

Damn. Forgot to nest.

Dec 17, 2008 at 1:20 pm rating: 12 small thumbs up

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#11.1 Canthz_B

When you pay me for my time, you should be concerned with how I spend it.

Dec 17, 2008 at 1:58 pm rating: 19
#11.2 Tricky Dick

Seems to me like those who can’t think of anything to say about the notes…spend their time making insipid remarks about those who can.

Dec 17, 2008 at 2:22 pm rating: 23
#11.3 Goldie

But, CB, what if he does? Time to use that stealth mode to sneak behind your boss’s back and see if he is on passiveaggressivenotes.com.

Dec 17, 2008 at 4:43 pm rating: 3
#11.4 Canthz_B

My boss?
I’m my own boss.

Dec 17, 2008 at 5:56 pm rating: 1
#11.5 Saysh

No you aren’t.. Who is holding the whip here CB???

Dec 17, 2008 at 11:41 pm rating: 1
#11.6 Canthz_B

Sorry, Saysh. I didn’t realize it was Wednesday again already!

Dec 17, 2008 at 11:58 pm rating: 2
#11.7 Saysh

Now, be nice, or I shall have to send you to the cage… *grin*

Dec 18, 2008 at 12:47 am rating: 1

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#12 Gledwood

Hey remember me? What’s happened to Women on the Verge… ??

Dec 17, 2008 at 2:23 pm rating: 0 small thumbs up

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#12.1 Woman on the Verge

Hello… you rang?

Dec 17, 2008 at 7:32 pm rating: 2

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#13 Tyler bang

They got an A on the paper…maybe I need to spend more time on my phone in class. (Or take poetry classes instead of calculus and the likes…)

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:02 pm rating: 1 small thumbs up

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#14 allensis bang

So if the student puts the ‘damned’ phone away, will the next paper be an A+?

Or should the student have the phone blessed at a Church so that it is no longer ‘damned’?

What to do, what to do.

Team: iPhone Damnation

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:33 pm rating: 6 small thumbs up

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#14.1 Mike

Nothing to do with the phone… I’m just an awesome writer.

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:46 pm rating: 3
#14.2 yousuckatcraigslist

But terrible at surreptitious phone usage in the classroom.

Team: no cell phones in the classroom.

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:57 pm rating: 9
#14.3 Goldie

How do you bless a phone? By immersion?

Dec 17, 2008 at 4:44 pm rating: 3
#14.4 Sue Do Nim

No, Goldie, that’s how you baptize a phone.

Dec 17, 2008 at 7:48 pm rating: 13
#14.5 park rose

Or what you finally do with the phone if it is not switched-off / put away / laid to rest and so on.

Dec 17, 2008 at 8:08 pm rating: 4
#14.6 Ti O

Before I turn on my phone in the morning I burn sage and juniper incense and wave the bundle over the phone to ward off evil phone calls.

Dec 18, 2008 at 10:31 am rating: 6

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#15 Jolene

If the writer is getting As on his or her paper and still able to use the phone in class, I think that reflects more poorly on the instructor than on the student.

College sucked. What a waste of time.

Signed,
Summa Cum Laude, Ivy League School

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#15.1 Debris Blanc

Summa Cum Quietly, in “stealth mode”.

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:54 pm rating: 20
#15.2 yousuckatcraigslist

It’s always the quiet ones you have to watch out for.

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:58 pm rating: 0
#15.3 Melanie

That’s what we named our second child.

Dec 17, 2008 at 3:59 pm rating: 2
#15.4 Canthz_B

Summa Cum is really sticky!

Dec 17, 2008 at 4:07 pm rating: 10
#15.5 Ti O

This seems like a good time and place to either insert a Mishee’s mom comment or just start making it all about the Mishee.

Just saying.

Dec 18, 2008 at 10:12 am rating: 0
#15.6 Mishee

Agreed.

Dec 18, 2008 at 10:14 am rating: 0

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#16 Canthz_B bang

“so you might want to mention this poem to the class.”

Yeah. Right. I really want to look like a brown-nosing dick in front of everyone.
With tuition as high as it is, I expect you to do the mentioning!

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#16.1 Goldie

I think he should text this poem to the class… during class, of course.

Dec 17, 2008 at 4:40 pm rating: 18

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#17 Kate

This is the epitome of passive aggression! Thank you for sharing this, and disregard these bourgeoise idiots. Rock on and HAIL THE MOTHERLAND!

Dec 17, 2008 at 5:31 pm rating: 0 small thumbs up

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#17.1 Goldie

Ahem, I’d like to buy some of what you’ve been smoking. Please email me. Thx

Dec 17, 2008 at 5:33 pm rating: 6
#17.2 Kate

Tom Cruise purple kush, 30 dollars for 1 oz

Dec 17, 2008 at 5:42 pm rating: 2
#17.3 Kristen

What a deal!

Dec 21, 2008 at 2:05 pm rating: 0

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#18 Ti O bang

Damien always set his Heckberry to stealth when he went to catechism class.

Dec 17, 2008 at 5:47 pm rating: 7 small thumbs up

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#19 Kristin

I am so confused, I thought iPod Touch was NOT a phone? Isn’t it an iPod with wifi?

Dec 17, 2008 at 6:38 pm rating: 1 small thumbs up

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#19.1 BAM

Yep…you got to correcting that before I did. The phone is an iPhone, the iPod Touch is exactly what you said, an iPod with wi-fi.

Either one is hard to put away though.

Dec 17, 2008 at 6:53 pm rating: 1
#19.2 Woman on the Verge

I have the Touch. Oh, and an iPod Touch as well. It is pretty difficult to put down.

Dec 17, 2008 at 7:36 pm rating: 2

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#20 Woman on the Verge bang

I detest people who think they are stealth-texting and when you call them on it, they say, “Oh, I’m not texting… I was just checking to see if I missed any calls…” Assholes.

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#21 Christina

I love it when my students try to convince me they’re ‘just taking notes’ or ‘changing songs’ on their iphone. Dudes, I own an iphone; I know what the text screen looks like. Put it away. And no, on your desk right next to your hand, ready to pick up as I walk away, is not “away.”

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#22 park rose bang

I worked with a woman who would answer the students’ phones if they regularly rang in class (nothing too stealthy about a phone ringing). She taught ESL, so usually she’d be speaking to someone’s (generally non-English speaking) parents in China, Saudi or wherever.

I’m sure she would have done the same if native-English speaker students were regularly receiving calls in class. She rocked.

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#22.1 Christina

I have one student who wants to pick a fight with me, so he’s actually taken calls in the middle of (high school) geometry class. I have written as many referrals on that boy as on everyone else together.

Dec 17, 2008 at 8:55 pm rating: 1
#22.2 nestchick

I am in college (older student) and I will suggest answering the phone to my profs. It seems like the perfect way to humiliate offenders.

Dec 18, 2008 at 12:06 am rating: 0

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#23 anglophile bang

What I’m more concerned about is the fact that the person teaching a poetry class doesn’t have “much additional to add” about a poem because he didn’t “study” it. What? He can’t read a poem and come up with his own ideas about it?

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#24 Mishee bang

My stepson recently got caught with his cell phone in his lap during class (8th grade) and he tried to tell me that in the middle of Algebra he had the bright idea that his phone wasn’t on vibrate and he had to take that exact moment to take it out of his pocket and check to make sure it was silenced.

Yeaaahhhh… riiiigggghhht…

Of course, a simple visit to cingular.com answered my questions immediately. Thank god for up to the minute bill details.

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#24.1 Ti O

I put my phone in my lap and call myself over and over and over… well you get the idea.

Dec 18, 2008 at 12:15 pm rating: 4
#24.2 unholyghost2003

so, who was he texting? was it a GIRL?

Dec 18, 2008 at 12:53 pm rating: 1
#24.3 Ti O

Mishee is the hovering mom that cannot be bullshitted. Poor lil guy he won’t be able to get away with anything.

Dec 18, 2008 at 1:08 pm rating: 0
#24.4 Christina

I have students whose parents call them during class. Who does that?

Dec 19, 2008 at 12:12 am rating: 0

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#25 T.U.M.

My old office was next door to a big lecture hall, and at least once a day a student would come to me to ask if anyone had turned in his/her phone.

Leaving aside the whole issue of “you shouldn’t have had it out during class anyway,” I was always tempted to add, “if you’re so scatterbrained and distracted that *left the phone behind* then you REALLY need to be paying extra attention in class.”

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#26 name

wats an iphone?

Dec 18, 2008 at 8:46 pm rating: 2 small thumbs up

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#26.1 T.U.M.

It’s what you use to hone your IP address.

Dec 19, 2008 at 10:19 am rating: 4

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#27 Mono bang

I feel like if you’re paying for school the prof. is working for YOU! If you don’t feel the need to pay attention you shouldn’t have to, I mean, that’s why it all comes down to test in the end. So people don’t have to care about who cares or not… everybody’s happy! Granted whatever you’re doing shouldn’t be getting in the way of other people who are trying to learn. (e.g. Snoring, talking, dancing, playing quarters, cup stacking…)

I’m just sayin, if you went to a movie and fell asleep, no one’s gonna come by and be like “Hey! Wake up! We’re trying to entertain you!”. Why? Because you paid already, that’s why… and not paying attention does not warrant a refund.

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#27.1 Canthz_B

Of course, you can’t disrespect a movie, but who cares about human dignity, right?
If a student doesn’t wish to respect the classroom enough to pay attention, the student shouldn’t bother to attend classes. They should find something productive to do with that time…like getting drunk and running naked in the quad.

Dec 19, 2008 at 4:54 pm rating: 6
#27.2 cliff

The prof doesn’t work for you.
She just agreed to sell you her knowledge.
If you don’t want to take advantage of what you paid for that’s up to you.
Teachers are not your employees, they are your betters. They’re just trying to help you better yourself and you are paying them to do it. So why not let them do what you pay them to do by paying attention?
If you’re going to pay $50K for an education you may as well get one. Would you pay $50K for a car and leave the lot with a car note and no car?
Why leave school with student loan debt, but no education?

Dec 19, 2008 at 5:14 pm rating: 8
#27.3 Canthz_B

Asshole, I told you you had you use your own e-mail!!!

never let an asshole use your computer!

Dec 19, 2008 at 5:24 pm rating: 0
#27.4 Someone

As a returning college student at 27 I am shocked at how disrespectful the students are since I left 5 years ago and how much more distracting it is with portable technology. Kids text in the front row of class, talk over professors to their friends, loudly pack up to leave 10 minutes before class ends, browse the internet, etc. I’m not saying we were all angels before, I dropped out because I partied too much to go to classes, but it’s pretty ridiculous. No one did this at my school 5 years ago, how is that possible?

You know what Mono? Almost NONE of these fresh-out-of-high-school kids are actually paying for their own education. The ones who do pay, or have loans, pay attention in class and take classes during winter and summer breaks because they can’t afford extra semesters. The rest of the kids have their parents to answer to and that doesn’t scare them.

The sense of entitlement in so many 18-22 year olds is immense and that is obnoxious. The people I sit next to in class who text the whole time are failing the classes. Obviously that’s not everyone but it seems like they’re just shooting themselves in the foot. One psychological theory is that they were praised too often for doing nothing and never disciplined by their parents and teachers, so they don’t know how to compromise.

I feel incredibly bad for the professors because they are not boring or ineffectual. They don’t deserve to be disrespected at their job or held back because people were too entitled to listen and made them repeat themselves 7 times. They don’t deserve to have to fail kids who don’t pay attention. That affects their job ratings and tenure. They DO need to learn how to handle that disrespect by keeping up, like the person who commented about her “phone or bits” setup.

I had one prof. who was very clear that if you were caught texting, on the internet, or talking to a friend more than once you would fail the class. At first I was kind of offended that he was treating us like children, but it was a huge class and most of his students were freshmen, and it worked. It’s the ONLY class I’ve sat through where no one dared touch their phone or whatever during class. Everyone LOVED the class and the professor. I don’t know why more professors don’t do that. Treating some college students like adults doesn’t seem to work and it effects everyone who is being responsible.

Also, if it were your money and you wanted to completely ignore the lecture, that’s kind of dysfunctional and self-defeating. Is it THAT hard to take a bathroom break to send an important text or to just wait until class is over? They’re less than 2 hours and the ones that aren’t have breaks in the middle. I hear constant buzzing during class from peoples’ text conversations and I just think it makes them look ignorant and arrogant. It’s NOT a lot to ask students to turn off their cell phones or iPods. It’s on the syllabus for every prof., but they don’t enforce it.

I hope that this will be something they mature out of. I didn’t start thinking as an adult until I was about 23. I thought I was fully cognitive but I wasn’t and maybe I was more obnoxious than I remember. A lot of adolescents (I’m talking through the early 20s) don’t know that they don’t know most everything already. It must be really difficult to keep them in line when they feel like they’re already adults. Since this is new territory, we have no idea if they will be more respectful as adults, so it’s worrying. “Kids today” aside, society could end up just fine. But damn it’s annoying to people who existed before the cell phone.

Rant over, but this has been bugging me since I got back to school and I was given a reason to vent. I mean, they work for you so you can completely degrade them? Awesome logic.

Mar 26, 2009 at 12:14 pm rating: 5