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		<title>By: Feeling of failing &#124; PassiveAggressiveNotes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feeling of failing &#124; PassiveAggressiveNotes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 02:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One final critique — put the damned phone away!  TweetShare0mail [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 18:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would&#039;ve been funnier if he hadn&#039;t gotten an A.</description>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a returning college student at 27  I am shocked at how disrespectful the students are since I left 5 years ago and how much more distracting it is with portable technology. Kids text in the front row of class, talk over professors to their friends, loudly pack up to leave 10 minutes before class ends, browse the internet, etc. I&#039;m not saying we were all angels before, I dropped out because I partied too much to go to classes, but it&#039;s pretty ridiculous. No one did this at my school 5 years ago, how is that possible?

You know what Mono? Almost NONE of these fresh-out-of-high-school kids are actually paying for their own education. The ones who do pay, or have loans, pay attention in class and take classes during winter and summer breaks because they can&#039;t afford extra semesters.  The rest of the kids have their parents to answer to and that doesn&#039;t scare them.

The sense of entitlement in so many 18-22 year olds is immense and that is obnoxious. The people I sit next to in class who text the whole time are failing the classes. Obviously that&#039;s not everyone but it seems like they&#039;re just shooting themselves in the foot. One psychological theory is that they were praised too often for doing nothing and never disciplined by their parents and teachers, so they don&#039;t know how to compromise. 

I feel incredibly bad for the professors because they are not boring or ineffectual. They don&#039;t deserve to be disrespected at their job or held back because people were too entitled to listen and made them repeat themselves 7 times.  They don&#039;t deserve to have to fail kids who don&#039;t pay attention. That affects their job ratings and tenure. They DO need to learn how to handle that disrespect by keeping up, like the person who commented about her &quot;phone or bits&quot; setup.

I had one prof. who was very clear that if you were caught texting, on the internet, or talking to a friend more than once you would fail the class. At first I was kind of offended that he was treating us like children, but it was a huge class and most of his students were freshmen, and it worked. It&#039;s the ONLY class I&#039;ve sat through where no one dared touch their phone or whatever during class. Everyone LOVED the class and the professor. I don&#039;t know why more professors don&#039;t do that. Treating some college students like adults doesn&#039;t seem to work and it effects everyone who is being responsible.

Also, if it were your money and you wanted to completely ignore the lecture, that&#039;s kind of dysfunctional and self-defeating. Is it THAT hard to take a bathroom break to send an important text or to just wait until class is over? They&#039;re less than 2 hours and the ones that aren&#039;t have breaks in the middle. I hear constant buzzing during class from peoples&#039; text conversations and I just think it makes them look ignorant and arrogant. It&#039;s NOT a lot to ask students to turn off their cell phones or iPods. It&#039;s on the syllabus for every prof., but they don&#039;t enforce it. 

I hope that this will be something they mature out of. I didn&#039;t start thinking as an adult until I was about 23. I thought I was fully cognitive but I wasn&#039;t and maybe I was more obnoxious than I remember. A lot of adolescents (I&#039;m talking through the early 20s) don&#039;t know that they don&#039;t know most everything already. It must be really difficult to keep them in line when they feel like they&#039;re already adults. Since this is new territory, we have no idea if they will be more respectful as adults, so it&#039;s worrying. &quot;Kids today&quot; aside, society could end up just fine. But damn it&#039;s annoying to people who existed before the cell phone.

Rant over, but this has been bugging me since I got back to school and I was given a reason to vent. I mean, they work for you so you can completely degrade them? Awesome logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a returning college student at 27  I am shocked at how disrespectful the students are since I left 5 years ago and how much more distracting it is with portable technology. Kids text in the front row of class, talk over professors to their friends, loudly pack up to leave 10 minutes before class ends, browse the internet, etc. I&#8217;m not saying we were all angels before, I dropped out because I partied too much to go to classes, but it&#8217;s pretty ridiculous. No one did this at my school 5 years ago, how is that possible?</p>
<p>You know what Mono? Almost NONE of these fresh-out-of-high-school kids are actually paying for their own education. The ones who do pay, or have loans, pay attention in class and take classes during winter and summer breaks because they can&#8217;t afford extra semesters.  The rest of the kids have their parents to answer to and that doesn&#8217;t scare them.</p>
<p>The sense of entitlement in so many 18-22 year olds is immense and that is obnoxious. The people I sit next to in class who text the whole time are failing the classes. Obviously that&#8217;s not everyone but it seems like they&#8217;re just shooting themselves in the foot. One psychological theory is that they were praised too often for doing nothing and never disciplined by their parents and teachers, so they don&#8217;t know how to compromise. </p>
<p>I feel incredibly bad for the professors because they are not boring or ineffectual. They don&#8217;t deserve to be disrespected at their job or held back because people were too entitled to listen and made them repeat themselves 7 times.  They don&#8217;t deserve to have to fail kids who don&#8217;t pay attention. That affects their job ratings and tenure. They DO need to learn how to handle that disrespect by keeping up, like the person who commented about her &#8220;phone or bits&#8221; setup.</p>
<p>I had one prof. who was very clear that if you were caught texting, on the internet, or talking to a friend more than once you would fail the class. At first I was kind of offended that he was treating us like children, but it was a huge class and most of his students were freshmen, and it worked. It&#8217;s the ONLY class I&#8217;ve sat through where no one dared touch their phone or whatever during class. Everyone LOVED the class and the professor. I don&#8217;t know why more professors don&#8217;t do that. Treating some college students like adults doesn&#8217;t seem to work and it effects everyone who is being responsible.</p>
<p>Also, if it were your money and you wanted to completely ignore the lecture, that&#8217;s kind of dysfunctional and self-defeating. Is it THAT hard to take a bathroom break to send an important text or to just wait until class is over? They&#8217;re less than 2 hours and the ones that aren&#8217;t have breaks in the middle. I hear constant buzzing during class from peoples&#8217; text conversations and I just think it makes them look ignorant and arrogant. It&#8217;s NOT a lot to ask students to turn off their cell phones or iPods. It&#8217;s on the syllabus for every prof., but they don&#8217;t enforce it. </p>
<p>I hope that this will be something they mature out of. I didn&#8217;t start thinking as an adult until I was about 23. I thought I was fully cognitive but I wasn&#8217;t and maybe I was more obnoxious than I remember. A lot of adolescents (I&#8217;m talking through the early 20s) don&#8217;t know that they don&#8217;t know most everything already. It must be really difficult to keep them in line when they feel like they&#8217;re already adults. Since this is new territory, we have no idea if they will be more respectful as adults, so it&#8217;s worrying. &#8220;Kids today&#8221; aside, society could end up just fine. But damn it&#8217;s annoying to people who existed before the cell phone.</p>
<p>Rant over, but this has been bugging me since I got back to school and I was given a reason to vent. I mean, they work for you so you can completely degrade them? Awesome logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Asshole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asshole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ne&#039;er touched your computer! How dare you, lying heathen!</description>
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		<title>By: oh really</title>
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		<dc:creator>oh really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one looks at education as &quot;glorified child daycare&quot; then they&#039;re probably not looking to get much out of that education, are they?  I&#039;m not saying I went to every single day of every single class hanging on my teacher&#039;s every word, but I also didn&#039;t go into it with the attitude that the teacher owed it to me to make it all bells, whistles, and a flying trapeze in order to make it OK for me to engage my brain and try to learn something.  Sometimes things get boring and sometimes teachers seem miserable because they get classloads of students who would clearly rather cut off an arm than listen to one word out of a teacher&#039;s mouth, and they have no  problem showing it.  And I&#039;m not a teacher, never have been.  I don&#039;t envy any teacher having to deal with a classroom full of kids with phones, iPods, laptops on which they&#039;re &quot;taking notes,&quot; etc...  That&#039;s a rough gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one looks at education as &#8220;glorified child daycare&#8221; then they&#8217;re probably not looking to get much out of that education, are they?  I&#8217;m not saying I went to every single day of every single class hanging on my teacher&#8217;s every word, but I also didn&#8217;t go into it with the attitude that the teacher owed it to me to make it all bells, whistles, and a flying trapeze in order to make it OK for me to engage my brain and try to learn something.  Sometimes things get boring and sometimes teachers seem miserable because they get classloads of students who would clearly rather cut off an arm than listen to one word out of a teacher&#8217;s mouth, and they have no  problem showing it.  And I&#8217;m not a teacher, never have been.  I don&#8217;t envy any teacher having to deal with a classroom full of kids with phones, iPods, laptops on which they&#8217;re &#8220;taking notes,&#8221; etc&#8230;  That&#8217;s a rough gig.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a deal!</description>
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		<title>By: Canthz_B</title>
		<link>http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2008/12/17/valediction-a-forbidding-warning/comment-page-1/#comment-225039</link>
		<dc:creator>Canthz_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asshole, I told you you had you use your own e-mail!!!

&lt;i&gt;never let an asshole use your computer! &lt;/i&gt; :oops:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asshole, I told you you had you use your own e-mail!!!</p>
<p><i>never let an asshole use your computer! </i> <img src='http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif' alt=':oops:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The prof doesn&#039;t work for you.
She just agreed to sell you her knowledge.
If you don&#039;t want to take advantage of what you paid for that&#039;s up to you.
Teachers are not your employees, they are your betters. They&#039;re just trying to help you better yourself and you are paying them to do it. So why not let them do what you pay them to do by paying attention?
If you&#039;re going to pay $50K for an education you may as well get one. Would you pay $50K for a car and leave the lot with a car note and no car?
Why leave school with student loan debt, but no education?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prof doesn&#8217;t work for you.<br />
She just agreed to sell you her knowledge.<br />
If you don&#8217;t want to take advantage of what you paid for that&#8217;s up to you.<br />
Teachers are not your employees, they are your betters. They&#8217;re just trying to help you better yourself and you are paying them to do it. So why not let them do what you pay them to do by paying attention?<br />
If you&#8217;re going to pay $50K for an education you may as well get one. Would you pay $50K for a car and leave the lot with a car note and no car?<br />
Why leave school with student loan debt, but no education?</p>
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		<title>By: Canthz_B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canthz_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, you can&#039;t disrespect a movie, but who cares about human dignity, right?
If a student doesn&#039;t wish to respect the classroom enough to pay attention, the student shouldn&#039;t bother to attend classes. They should find something productive to do with that time...like getting drunk and running naked in the quad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, you can&#8217;t disrespect a movie, but who cares about human dignity, right?<br />
If a student doesn&#8217;t wish to respect the classroom enough to pay attention, the student shouldn&#8217;t bother to attend classes. They should find something productive to do with that time&#8230;like getting drunk and running naked in the quad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mono</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like if you&#039;re paying for school the prof. is working for YOU! If you don&#039;t feel the need to pay attention you shouldn&#039;t have to, I mean, that&#039;s why it all comes down to test in the end. So people don&#039;t have to care about who cares or not... everybody&#039;s happy! Granted whatever you&#039;re doing shouldn&#039;t be getting in the way of other people who are trying to learn. (e.g. Snoring, talking, dancing, playing quarters, cup stacking...)

I&#039;m just sayin, if you went to a movie and fell asleep, no one&#039;s gonna come by and be like &quot;Hey! Wake up! We&#039;re trying to entertain you!&quot;. Why? Because you paid already, that&#039;s why... and not paying attention does not warrant a refund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like if you&#8217;re paying for school the prof. is working for YOU! If you don&#8217;t feel the need to pay attention you shouldn&#8217;t have to, I mean, that&#8217;s why it all comes down to test in the end. So people don&#8217;t have to care about who cares or not&#8230; everybody&#8217;s happy! Granted whatever you&#8217;re doing shouldn&#8217;t be getting in the way of other people who are trying to learn. (e.g. Snoring, talking, dancing, playing quarters, cup stacking&#8230;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sayin, if you went to a movie and fell asleep, no one&#8217;s gonna come by and be like &#8220;Hey! Wake up! We&#8217;re trying to entertain you!&#8221;. Why? Because you paid already, that&#8217;s why&#8230; and not paying attention does not warrant a refund.</p>
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		<title>By: T.U.M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.U.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s what you use to hone your IP address.</description>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have students whose parents call them during class. Who does that?</description>
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		<title>By: park rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>park rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kansas girl, I was going to mention doodling as a way to pass the time in boring lectures/classes (my timewaster of choice) but wasn&#039;t sure what Claw and RB would do with it.  Wait, that&#039;s diddling.  Never mind.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kansas girl, I was going to mention doodling as a way to pass the time in boring lectures/classes (my timewaster of choice) but wasn&#8217;t sure what Claw and RB would do with it.  Wait, that&#8217;s diddling.  Never mind.  <img src='http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: name</title>
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		<dc:creator>name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wats an iphone?</description>
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