My parents, the loan sharks

December 15th, 2009 · 90 comments

Writes Josh in St. Louis: “In our university’s paper, during the first semester, parents can send in notes for their kids away at college to read. Most parents put something sweet, happy, and uplifting — ‘We love you, good luck, hope you’re well,’ that kind of thing.”  Josh’s parents, meanwhile…

No parents to bore you, or brothers to bug, it's just you, the iPod, computer and rug. All right!! However...you still owe us $185 for prom night.

related: No money, no trophy

FILED UNDER: college life · Moms & Dads · money · newspaper · public shaming · pure poetry · St. Louis


90 responses so far ↓

  • #1   infant tyrone bang

    We used ta dream of havin’ a rug…

    Faustian bargain time…may Poseidon, god of horses, protect my rump!

    This is not the first 2-4-1* coupon at Chez Mephisto, but it’s the first dunning letter I’ve seen from a Mr. & Mrs. Guido.

    *sorry PG…resistance was futile.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 12:30 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   pony girl bang

      *sorry PG…resistance was futile.

      don’t I know it.

      ps when shall I commence the spanking?

      Dec 15, 2009 at 11:28 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.2   infant tyrone bang

      I don’t think you’ll be able to manage the stairs down to the rumpus room, so maybe here and as soon as I can get facing towards Halley’s comet.

      I think I see it now…OK, now…Into thy hands I commend my rump.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 11:47 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #2   anglophile bang

    A rug, an iPod, a computer–and Thou!

    Such is the stuff of poetry.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 12:37 pm   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   Canthz_B bang

      Thanks, ‘Glo. Now I have permission to drink from some dead guy until I pass on and become a damned cup!

      I clay me! ;-)

      *edited comment

      Dec 15, 2009 at 7:46 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #3   Gunderson105

    Why the paw prints in the letter? Did Josh get his legs amputated in a railway accident and only had enough money for a veterinarian to do the prosthetic work?

    Dec 15, 2009 at 12:40 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   mahlookma

      Oh, I’d imagine it’s because their mascot is something like the bears.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:09 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.2   jbles

      I think its obvious he was just born with strange paw-like limbs.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 2:27 pm   rating: 24  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.3   Canthz_B bang

      The paw-prints are on the letter because they know Josh has dogged them out of $185!

      Dec 15, 2009 at 7:48 pm   rating: 15  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.4   park rose bang

      Josh’s folks like to flaunt their carbon footprints.

      Dec 16, 2009 at 4:46 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.5   Maas

      It’s a reminder for Josh that if he doesn’t send the money, they’ll kill his dog.

      Dec 18, 2009 at 4:52 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #4   Guy Smiley

    “We’re witholding it from your first tuition payment, so if they don’t let you in that psych 101 class, you’ll know why. Cough it up, college boy.”

    Dec 15, 2009 at 12:41 pm   rating: 24  small thumbs up

     
  • #5   unholyghost2003 bang

    What did he do on Prom Night that resulted in his owing his folks $185? I am thinking the “rug” reference is in regard to the hall rug that had to be sent out for special cleaning after he and his buddies puked up Jungle Juice all over it.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 12:47 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

     
  • #6   QuarterRoy00 bang

    $185 for prom night? Hookers and condoms sure are expensive these days!

    Dec 15, 2009 at 12:54 pm   rating: 26  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   infant tyrone bang

      Smart hooker + high school boy >> limo driven by chauffeur colleague ?
      Maybe all Josh got was a Murphy game and a limo ride ?

      And it’s just his kind of luck that “taken for a ride” is on the Don’t Even Go There list of idioms his English Comp 101 instructor just handed out.

      Based on what little he remembers from Prom Night, Josh is considering transferring out of Ms. Jinx’s section. There’s just something about her.

      On the other hand, he can see that as far as people skills go,
      she’s definitely got majorly mad warez. Maybe he’ll stick it out…

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:14 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.2   Gavin

      Save on the condoms, you get more hooker for your money… with all the extras

      Dec 16, 2009 at 4:06 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #7   Mo® bang

    Wha wha what? $185 is cheap for prom today! Where did Josh go to High School that it only cost $185 the “Footloose” town?

    Dec 15, 2009 at 12:57 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   park rose bang

      Cut loose…

      Dec 15, 2009 at 4:59 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.2   infant tyrone bang

      Cut and Shoot (Texas) ?
      Population 1,235 (2008)

      If so, that $185 could be important.
      And Josh is definitely on a full scholarship for football.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 5:14 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.3   Critical Grass bang

      FIRST – We got to turn you around
      SECOND – You put your feet on the ground
      THIRD – Now take a hold of your… er… soul
      FOURTH – Whooooooooa, I’m turning it loose… Footloose.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 10:17 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #8   Mark bang

    That rug really ties the room together!

    Dec 15, 2009 at 1:01 pm   rating: 32  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   Nick Noehm

      Tomorrow we come back and we cut off your chonson.

      Ok, that’s it. I’m Lebo’d out.
      For now.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:19 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.2   Carlo

      In honor of the holiday season: “I don’t roll on Shabbos!”

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:25 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.3   Mo® bang

      Mark, the chinaman who peed on my rug, I can’t go give him a bill, so what the fuck are you talking about?

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:36 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.4   Nick Noehm

      Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

      Ok, that’s it. I’m Lebo’d out.
      For now.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:53 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.5   Mo® bang

      Do you speak English sir? Parla usted Inglese?

      Dec 15, 2009 at 2:24 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.6   Critical Grass bang

      Oh Mo, I love how you mix spanish and italian in the same sentence. ♥

      edit: Ok, just got that reference. But still ♥… :)

      Dec 15, 2009 at 2:37 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.7   Wade bang

      Shomer shabbos!

      Dec 15, 2009 at 4:20 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.8   Nick Noehm

      I’m sorry. I wasn’t listening.

      (Just when I thought I was out …  they pull me back in.)

      Dec 15, 2009 at 7:18 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.9   Wade bang

      Josh is not literally their child. He’s part of the Wee Lebowski Urban (Achievers) – inner city children of promise but without the necessary means for a higher education. So Mr. Lebowski is committed to sending him to college…once he pays for prom.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 7:43 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.10   Canthz_B bang

      For what it’s worth, not all Asians are also American.

      Check out the National Geographic Channel.
      It’ll blow your mind!

      Dec 15, 2009 at 7:52 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.11   Nick Noehm

      Dude, the Chinaman is not the issue here!

      Dec 15, 2009 at 9:39 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.12   Canthz_B bang

      Neither are Asian-Americans. Your point?

      Dec 15, 2009 at 11:24 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.13   Nick Noehm

      Huh? … we’re talking about unchecked aggression here …

      Dec 16, 2009 at 12:26 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.14   Palomon bang

      We’re not talking about the people who built the railroad, Canthz, we’re talking about the guy who peed on my rug!

      Dec 16, 2009 at 12:41 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.15   Mo®

      Who gives a shit about the fucking marmot!

      Dec 16, 2009 at 8:45 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.16   Mark bang

      Also, let’s not forget – let’s *not* forget, Dude – that keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the city – that ain’t legal either.

      Dec 16, 2009 at 10:18 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #9   Mark bang

    WLU and MDJJ… interesting names. There is no indication that those are his parents.

    Maybe WLU is his Willfully Lustful Uncle, and MDJJ is the Melodramatic Divorced Jewess Jizzlicker next door?

    Dec 15, 2009 at 1:09 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   Carlo

      I’m guessing this wasn’t from his parents, either. But I suspect the $185 was for booze, pot and a female companion. I’m guessing the “rug” was shaved that night.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:12 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.2   infant tyrone bang

      Would MDJJ be Shoshonna Shylock (aka The Venice ‘Beach’ ?)

      If she starts on a “pound of flesh” rant, be sure to give Mo a heads-up, so he can stash Mr. J. inna medicine cabinet when he’s inna neighborhood.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:21 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.3   Nick Noehm

      9.1: I’m guessing the “rug” was shaved that night.

      Could’ve been a “shag”.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:23 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.4   Mamie

      It’s obviously from parents because it hits the perfect dorky parental note.

      I think it stands for (W)e (L)ove (U), (M)om.(D)ad. (JJ) Siblings with J names.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 1:27 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.5   Escape Goat

      i. tyrone,

      “In sooth I know not why I am so sad. ” Well … after this note … we do.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 7:22 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.6   jetjackson bang

      I think it’s actually.

      (W)e (L)ove (U), (M)um, (D)ad. (J)et(J)ackson.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 7:25 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.7   infant tyrone bang

      E. Goat (or shood I call yuz Tony ? [or Ant-knee?]),

      Where you’re coming from text-wise is obvious,
      but where you’re going with this is less clear.

      1) Having fun?
      2) Having a problem?
      If yes, then with
      2a) me?
      2b) The Bard?
      2c) Something completely different?

      In the words of a more succinct PANista than I,
      “Great, now one of you knows why you’re so sad.”

      Dec 15, 2009 at 8:20 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.8   anglophile bang

      The quality of mercy is not strained.
      It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
      Upon the place beneath. . . .

      Or possibly it hitteth you over the head by broadcasting your debts to the entire student body.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 8:41 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.9   Gavin

      to 9.4 “It’s obviously from parents because it hits the perfect dorky parental note.

      I think it stands for (W)e (L)ove (U), (M)om.(D)ad. (JJ) Siblings with J names.”

      Well spotted, I think that would only be picked up by someone who is loved; I missed it entirely… I’m going now

      Dec 16, 2009 at 4:17 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.10   park rose bang

      Gavin, are you hooking up with Kendrum and Kendrup and your British friends?

      Dec 16, 2009 at 4:23 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #10   Hawaii

    I’m all for kids paying their own way, but why so stingy, WLU & MDJJ? Why not just ask for a round $150 or 175 and be done with it?
    No way the entire prom cost only $185. That poor kid is most likely on some kind of stingy-parent-payment-plan. Hey kid, hurry up and graduate and run, RUN like the wind!

    Dec 15, 2009 at 1:30 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #11   Joe

    “We’re so glad you made it to college! But you owe us a pathetic amount of money.” In print, no less.
    I flashed back to when my freshman year ended. I had my term papers mailed, which I did very well on. But all my grandfather could talk about was how he had to give the post office 14 cents for insufficient postage.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 1:40 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   infant tyrone bang

      Wow…Gelt Guilt from Grand-PA !

      Dec 15, 2009 at 2:18 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #12   Critical Grass bang

    Josh,

    So you’re in college now… Very nice, hey! Remember when you promissed us you would get a job, fancy college boy? So, just get off your lazy-spoiled-fat (hey jinx!) ass and go earn some money!
    Punk!

    Oh, and mom says “hi”.

    JDAJDKA UWNA HDA,X,X XOXO GG

    Dec 15, 2009 at 2:43 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

     
  • #13   shwonline bang

    You still owe us $185 for prom night. RSVP ASAP.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 3:25 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

     
  • #14   unholyghost2003 bang

    Listen here College boy. You think you are better than us with your “iPod” and your “computer” and your “rug” to cover the floor? Remember where you came from buddy. And remember you owe us, you owe us BIG. You owe us $185.

    ~The Old Man

    Dec 15, 2009 at 3:48 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

     
  • #15   April

    I am guessing he is paying his own way to college too? Otherwise I doubt the 185$ for prom would even register on their radar compared to the 300$ for books and 3000$ for tuition.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 3:51 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   infant tyrone bang

      He’s got a full-ride scholarship doing something that could plausibly keep him from getting a part-time job, so the ‘rents are over a barrel (’til Xmas).

      Dec 15, 2009 at 4:37 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.2   April

      If their son got a full ride scholarship then his parents should be jumping for joy, not being pissy about 185$. Team college scholar!

      In all fairness though, they could just be trying to make a joke and being funny mentioning the money. I really hope they are not harassing him about it. I always felt that parents should be willign to cough up dough as long as their kids bring home the grades as obviously this guy has. If your kids spend all his time working, he won’t spend as much time studying and that is not good.

      Dec 16, 2009 at 5:54 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.3   infant tyrone bang

      So “full ride + still mentioning $185 = X”

      But, Gee, if X not= jumping for joy, then what could it be?

      Church Lady voice sez, “Maybe….PA?”

      Which might just explain why it’s Le Note du Jour.

      Dec 16, 2009 at 10:24 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.4   Kayley

      April…I understand what you are saying, but life doesn’t always work out that way. If I borrowed $185 from my dad, he’d need to money back – not because he’s stingy, but because he needs it.

      I’ve worked four jobs since I was 14 (I’m 17 now), but I still come home with a 4.0GPA while taking four AP classes and a class at the college. It’s my winter break now, yet tomorrow I have to work 8AM-5PM and on Sunday 11:30AM-8PM, instead of enjoying the time off and doing all of my break homework…it’s not that my dad is trying to punish me; it’s just that I need to have a job to afford things.

      I also volunteer 10-20 hours a week as a Washington DECA state officer. I don’t get paid for it, but it’s something I enjoy doing, and it builds leadership. I do it in addition to my working, my schooling, and my other activities…

      Actually, my dad even owes me $200. So I wouldn’t even be able to borrow money from him…I need to work to pay for my things, like a surgery that I’m getting in January that he can’t afford right now…

      Anyway, I’m basically trying to say that not every parent has the luxury of letting their child not work while they are in school. I am certainly going to be doing work-study at college…that’s just the way things are. I think it’s a good thing: having a job teaches teenager responsibility. I mean, I can fit in a job, DECA, school, friends, everything into my schedule, so it’s definitely possible. And even if it wasn’t, I’d still have to make it work somehow, because my family just can’t afford to have me not work…

      Dec 18, 2009 at 7:59 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #16   Oh Really

    I feel like we can’t ignore the ad above it, though. “Kendrum and Kendrup”? The hell? I pray they’re not twins. (Although that would only mitigate the awful by a minimal increment.)

    Dec 15, 2009 at 5:30 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   Palomon bang

      I’m hoping they’re pets. Please, let them be pets and not people.

      Dec 16, 2009 at 12:49 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #17   aaa bang

    Rhyming is damn lame
    Don’t wait a year to collect
    WTF paw prints?

    Dec 15, 2009 at 5:41 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

     
  • #18   Resident Grammarian esq bang

    But the other notes are not sweet or uplifting. Your British friends? Code for mafia

    Dec 15, 2009 at 5:50 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   anglophile bang

      What about Mom hoping Lauren gets some? :o

      Dec 15, 2009 at 8:45 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.2   Critical Grass bang

      Now that’s good parenting!
      Well done, Lauren’s Mom!

      Dec 15, 2009 at 9:36 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.3   park rose bang

      to the max.

      Dec 16, 2009 at 4:26 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #19   Escape Goat

    BRILLIANT! TEAM WLU-MDJJ 4 EVA

    Dec 15, 2009 at 7:14 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #20   at2002

    I bet they paid more than $185 for the ad.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 7:35 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #20.1   BurstingAtTheSeams

      Josh,

      Just for you we created this ad.
      Now that you’re away, aren’t you glad?
      By the way, it cost us $24.22
      To publish this note for you.

      So if you could just write a check
      Or even send it via paypal, what the heck.
      That brings our total to $209.22
      The money that is owed to us by you.

      Cheers! WLU, MDJJ

      Dec 19, 2009 at 1:02 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #21   jetjackson bang

    I am all for hard line parenting and limericks.

    Lending you money was a mistake,
    One again we are unlikely to make.
    Listen here sonny,
    Time to cough up the money.
    Or your kneecaps we will have to break.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 7:40 pm   rating: 21  small thumbs up

    • #21.1   park rose bang

      I read that as you mainlining parents and limericks (meaning-wise).
      That explains a lot, I said to myself.
      Then I read again.

      Dec 15, 2009 at 10:21 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #22   Canthz_B bang

    Clearly Josh suffers from alopecia areata and the $185 was for the deposit on the fly hairpiece he wore to his prom.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 7:56 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #22.1   Critical Grass bang

      CB, was he fat too? Because if he was, that prom night probably never happened and he spent the money on pizza, McNuggets and Häagen-Dazs… According to jinx’s amazing logic, hyopthetically.

      Okay, now I’m done with the jokes about jinx.
      Jokes about jinx :|

      Dec 15, 2009 at 9:43 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.2   jetjackson bang

      Alopecia areata. That is thumbworthy indeed!

      Dec 15, 2009 at 9:44 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.3   Canthz_B bang

      Just a little something I “patched” together. ;-)

      Dec 15, 2009 at 10:43 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.4   infant tyrone bang

      Lady + gents (CG, CB, JJ),

      I fear we have underestimated jinx’s age (though not capabilities).
      Although s/he plays a middle-schooler convincingly,
      I think s/he must be in the 10th grade.
      Why, you ask?
      You mean
      you’ve never
      heard of
      the sophomore, jinx?

      Dec 15, 2009 at 11:22 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.5   Canthz_B bang

      I have to hold on to her sweet sixteen present until at least next year?!
      Oh, that’s great…just great!!!

      Dec 16, 2009 at 12:22 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.6   infant tyrone bang

      Well, CB, just get a belated card to go along with it and rejoice. I plumb forgot to mention that all of her classmates are a couple of years younger.

      As you’ve noticed, there are some deficits in the verbal comprehension department, which resulted in her being ‘retained’ in 4th & 7th grades.

      Dec 16, 2009 at 1:37 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #23   Canthz_B bang

    I bet it sucks to find your debt to your parents on your credit report, but they always find a way to have the last laugh.
    Even if you do only find out about it at the car dealership years later.
    The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward “Gotcha!”

    Dec 15, 2009 at 10:55 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

     
  • #24   Canthz_B bang

    I hope Josh isn’t a Performing Arts major.
    I’d hate for him to misunderstand when his dad talks about breaking a leg.

    Dec 15, 2009 at 11:17 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #25   Joe 2

    “She hollerin’ about the front rent,
    she ain’t gonna get the back rent.
    She ain’t gonna get NONE of it!”

    Dec 16, 2009 at 8:00 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   Mark bang

      But I’m TIRED!

      Dec 16, 2009 at 10:22 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #26   adam

    I think it’s kind of lame to name all three of your children names the start with the letter J.

    Dec 16, 2009 at 8:45 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #26.1   the elf

      Like Duggar-lame. (Joshua, Jana, John-David, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johannah, Jennifer, Jordyn, Josie). I’m holding out for the next one to be Juststopbreedingalready.

      Dec 16, 2009 at 12:33 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #27   farcical aquatic ceremony

    I was looking up Kendrum and Kedrup, hoping against hope that they were Old German for “The Girls Next Door Are Hos Who Live With An Old, Possibly Deceased, Man” but found the issue of the WUSL newspaper in which the ad above appears. Just thought I’d share another ad printed in the “Notes From Home” section. In all its scary glory:

    A E Neiman

    MOM AND DAD

    I am bound to listen to these
    sighing stones, in a week
    crumpled cries, in a month
    crumbling bones.

    Dec 16, 2009 at 9:34 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #27.1   park rose bang

      Alfred E. Neuman?

      Dec 16, 2009 at 11:22 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #28   Ash

    I’m not totally convinced his parents wrote the note. Look at the initials: WLU, MDJJ. Parents commonly have the same last name/initial… Sounds more like some high school buddies still at home and they’re in a miff over a Prom debt.

    Dec 16, 2009 at 9:51 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #29   Gwan

    Ash – sure it’s not something like ‘we love you, Mom, Dad, Jake and Joe’ or whatever…
    Ah – someone above had the same idea. So there you go.

    Dec 16, 2009 at 10:57 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #29.1   Ash

      That definitely makes more sense!

      Dec 16, 2009 at 12:32 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #30   Rafovanny

    I think you are right. But you should cover more on this topic.

    Dec 22, 2009 at 5:14 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     

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