Theo(logical) fallacy

January 26th, 2010 · 185 comments

Joel in Glendale, California was raised in a religious Christian family, and apparently someone let it slip to his grandmother (bless her heart!) that he’s — gasp!— an atheist. Aaaaand…let the backhanded compliments begin!

Dear Joel, I have heard that you say you're an athesis [sic]. I don't believe that because you have so many Christian qualities. You are honest, loyal, kind and giving- not to mention handsome and extremely talented. (Now —Those are gifts from God!) Please use this check to have a great New Years day Breakfast.

Dear Joel, I have heard that you say you’re an athesis [sic]. I don’t believe that because you have so many Christian qualities. You are honest, loyal, kind and giving- not to mention handsome and extremely talented. (Now —Those are gifts from God!) Please use this check to have a great New Years day Breakfast.

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Adds Joel: “I’d like to point out that she mailed me this check for $20 after I asked her not to send me money and she promised she wouldn’t. Lying isn’t very Christian, Grandma!”

related: Waiting for the Rapture (and/or a thank you note)

FILED UNDER: a little patronizing · family · Grandma · Jesus · old folks


185 responses so far ↓

  • #1   tomiddes

    bless her heart

    Jan 26, 2010 at 8:54 pm   rating: 33  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   infant tyrone bang

      but curse her Sticky Fingers™…
      I saw Grandma snag that $20 out of the collection basket last Sunday.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:44 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #2   B.

    Well, bless her heart. I’d like to know what the “NO Backs(Zacks?)” is referring to….any guesses?

    Jan 26, 2010 at 8:55 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   cheesie

      Probably the check that he told her not to send but she sent anyway!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 8:57 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.2   pxmidnight

      I read it as “no Beck’s”, I think that’s a kind of beer. Something on which no CHRISTIAN grandma wants her money spent!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:34 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.3   passerby

      Sure it’s not “20 bucks”? Although I’m more interested in why she starts a letter to an atheist “Dear God”…

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:26 am   rating: 18  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.4   Jim

      LOL! It totally looks like “Dear God” to me now.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 9:59 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.5   FeRD

      No, no, no. It’s “Hear God”. You know, like that devout spiritual hymn goes: “Hear the word of the lord!” (The prayin’ bone’s connected to the guilt bone, I guess.)

      Jan 31, 2010 at 2:46 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #3   bright virago

    Sorry Joel, I’m Team Grandma on this one.

    Jan 26, 2010 at 8:59 pm   rating: 24  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   FeRD

      So, you’re going to side with her position that only Christians can be honest, loyal, kind, handsome, and extremely talented? (Have you SEEN Pope Palpatine?!?!? Nobody’s gonna convince me that their membership requirements still include “handsome”!)

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:05 pm   rating: 95  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.2   Melodie

      Agreed. She’s OLD, man. You know how it goes with the old folks, and it’s clear that she said it because she cares, and she didn’t even threaten him with eternal hellfire.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:07 pm   rating: 26  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.3   Kat

      Wait, so anyone who is honest, loyal, kind, handsome, and extremely talented is automatically a Christian? LOL, are you serious!?

      PROTIP: Atheist simply means you don’t believe in any deities.

      There are a great number of people of other faiths, of atheistic faiths and of no faith at all that manage to be incredibly awesome people.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:16 pm   rating: 89  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.4   jetjackson bang

      … this is going to be a very long thread!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:25 pm   rating: 29  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.5   anglophile bang

      I think you should always tip your server, no matter what kind of service you get. They get paid less than minimum wage, you know.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:28 pm   rating: 38  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.6   oi bang

      I am the GOD.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:49 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.7   zenvelo

      these religion threads are eternal!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:45 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.8   Canthz_B bang

      Christians don’t spread fecal mist when they flush with the lid up.
      It’s a gift from God.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:16 pm   rating: 28  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.9   park rose bang

      ‘glo, I was going to say that grandma only tips the Christian servers, but that might not be so. She did, after all, send Joel a cheque for $20.00. Maybe she’s fishing big time for the big man above.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:34 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.10   HappyNat

      Eternal hellfire is always implied when talking with Christians.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 6:56 am   rating: 23  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.11   Britani

      Well at least Christians (yes capitalize it because I believe in the one true God, I AM) don’t hurt little old ladies feelings. Christians tip their servers properly and are not whipping their lady berries out in public to breast feed their devil spawn like whores! That is why this country is in such dire straits right now.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 9:05 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.12   anglophile bang

      Be careful with the blanket statements. You never know who you’re going to find yourself in bed with.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 9:17 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.13   oi bang

      That’s so true Britani. If it was not for those whores whipping out their lady berries in public, goons would not dare to sell drugs to high-schoolers, neither there would be a fight over ownership over Jerusalem nor people would get piss drunk on Fridays. Let stone kill those whores!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 9:28 am   rating: 31  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.14   anglophile bang

      I also have some evidence that incidence of public breast-feeding is directly correlated to global warming. Something to do with methane.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 9:30 am   rating: 28  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.15   Mo® bang

      I am quite certain that breast feeding mothers tip less (miserly bitches!) and their babies fart more. Breast fed babies make Al Gore angry.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 10:10 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.16   infant tyrone bang

      If you rearrange the letters in “Britani”, you can spell T-A-L-I–B-A-N.
      Well…if you work in a cubical and don’t worry about 100% accuracy.

      “Yahweh” >>> H-E-Y-H-A-W perfectly, or HeeHaw with a little tweak.

      These probably don’t work in Pushto, Greek, or Aramaic.
      If they did, would it be a miracle ?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:36 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.17   HappyNat

      Bravo Britani, bravo. You played the knuckle dragging christian role very well. I might sugest adding in something like “our country was founded on Christian values” and “it says In God We Trust on our money but you still spend it”, just to completely sell the role you are acting.

      You were acting right?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:58 am   rating: 21  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.18   oi bang

      but there is no “r” in a word Taliban for start.
      oh I see, you covered your butt by saying that it’s not 100% accurate. :roll:

      Again my bad. I forgot about PAN standard that is: if you acknowledge your crime it’s not a crime anymore. It’s just “borrowing” and “freeing peoples’ soul from this hellish world”

      by the same token, I say that this comment might not be 100% grammatically correct.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:59 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.19   infant tyrone bang

      Dear oi!,
      In my line of work, butt-covering is second nature.
      Your comment is grammatically unassailable.

      Hope I was able to deliver a little A/C to your section of hell today.

      ty

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:38 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #4   Palomon bang

    I don’t believe in atheists.

    Jan 26, 2010 at 9:03 pm   rating: 29  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   G

      I don’t believe you.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:15 pm   rating: 28  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.2   Critical Grass bang

      I don’t believe in love.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:20 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.3   Canthz_B bang

      I don’t believe I can fly.
      I don’t believe I can touch the sky.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:35 pm   rating: 30  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.4   Geek Goddess

      I don’t believe that Elvis is dead.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:15 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.5   infant tyrone bang

      I don’t believe in a god that is omnipotent and also capable of creating anything, including a rock that is too heavy for it to move.

      But a god that’s passive and aggressive at the same time ? No problem.

      Does that mean I’m bi-gnostic ? Bi-atheistic ? Just curious…

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:43 am   rating: 21  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.6   Canthz_B bang

      I don’t believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows.
      Of course I don’t suffer from allergies.
      Others may differ on this! :mrgreen:

      Jan 27, 2010 at 2:53 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.7   Canthz_B bang

      I dunno, ty. Maybe it makes you double-bi-curious. :???:

      Jan 27, 2010 at 2:57 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.8   Critical Grass bang

      Hey R. Kelly, I don’t believe!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 3:35 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.9   Bunnee

      I believe the children are our future….as long as they aren’t atheists.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 2:41 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.10   Mo® bang

      I believe that children are our future as long as they are not thetans! :grin:

      Jan 27, 2010 at 2:48 pm   rating: 15  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.11   mamason bang

      I don’t believe I know what a thetan is.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 4:31 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.12   TheOldSchool

      From Wikipedia:

      “According to Scientology, when a person dies — or, in Scientology terms, when a thetan abandons its physical body — they go to a “landing station” on the planet Venus, where the thetan is re-implanted and told lies about its past life and its next life.

      “The Venusians take the thetan, “capsule” it, and send it back to Earth to be dumped into the ocean off the coast of California.”

      Jan 27, 2010 at 6:50 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.13   passerby

      So it’s what Christians would call an angle?
      *ducks*

      Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.14   Canthz_B bang

      Christians or Geometry teachers?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:11 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #5   J-bo

    At least she introduced “athesis” with an “an.” But I’m being snarky.
    Less snarky: it looks to me like she added the “Now-Those are gifts from God” part after reconsideration and her sip of “sleeping medicine.” And really, calling your grandma out for giving you something isn’t very Christian-like.

    Jan 26, 2010 at 9:05 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   FeRD

      Hey, Joel’s determined to prove his point. Can you blame the guy for trying? ;)

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:07 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.2   Wade bang

      Wouldn’t an athesis be a statement of what you don’t believe and how you intend not to prove it?

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:29 pm   rating: 44  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.3   Palomon bang

      Thesis, antithesis,
      dialectics incorporated!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AIaakO9YDw

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:50 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.4   Mo®

      Look there is Lenny and Squiggy!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 9:07 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.5   Palomon bang

      Hello!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 10:15 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.6   Crystal

      @4.5 It’s okay to experiment…you were drunk and in college, right?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:53 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #6   jetjackson bang

    Thanks Grandma! I am going to save this for an all steak dinner on Good Friday.

    Jan 26, 2010 at 9:08 pm   rating: 57  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   Kat

      I would send it to some sort of atheist charity….
      then send grandma a thank you and tell her how much she helped out “____ charity”.

      :D

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:31 pm   rating: 17  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.2   se

      he should send the $20 to Planned Parenthood.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 2:36 pm   rating: 29  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #7   sonicmega

    So convincing my grandmother I’m atheist means instant money?

    FINALLY, I know how to make it through college!

    Jan 26, 2010 at 9:17 pm   rating: 18  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   Palomon bang

      No, no, sonic, failing to convince grandma is where the money is.
      Once you’ve convinced her, the well runs dry.

      Then you have to convince her you’re gay.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:42 pm   rating: 18  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.2   Summer

      It actually worked for me in college. I would get $10 a week with a note that read “God loves you.” Grandmas know that Jesus saves, but God doles out the money.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 10:55 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #8   Wade bang

    Easy there, Grandma. Better brush up on your Bible.

    “Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”

    Jan 26, 2010 at 9:21 pm   rating: 24  small thumbs up

     
  • #9   GramPo

    Make her happy, Joel. WWJD?
    1st, convert to Judaism. Next, hang out with prostitutes and thieves (statistically easier if you go to a predominantly christian region). Then, commit enough crimes that the occupying government gives you the death penalty. Voila, happy grandma!

    Jan 26, 2010 at 9:52 pm   rating: 42  small thumbs up

     
  • #10   Critical Grass bang

    Grandma, are you bribing me to believe in Jesus and accept Him as my savior? Is that it? Because if that’s what this is about I gotta tell you, it’s a lot more efficient than a guilt trip. I think you’re on to something, grandma. See you Sunday at the Mass.

    Jan 26, 2010 at 9:55 pm   rating: 32  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   Pterosaur

      An eternity in paradise not a selling point anymore?

      Perhaps one President Jackson can change your mind.

      Hugs & Kisses,

      Nana

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:05 pm   rating: 25  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.2   Renagade676

      P.S., That 20 is going nowhere near a collection plate, just so you know.

      Jan 28, 2010 at 6:41 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #11   Hmmm

    Dear Hmmm,
    So sorry you’re not handsome. Or kind or caring enough to visit me more often than once a year. You must be Satan.
    Love, your Grandma-ma

    P.S. Send me $20

    Jan 26, 2010 at 9:56 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

     
  • #12   Palomon bang

    Grandma. Joel. Glad you’re more or less peaceable in agreeing to disagree.

    For what it’s worth, the existence or non-existence of God was settled…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBEP5c-SUEQ

    Jan 26, 2010 at 10:01 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #13   Hmmm

    Does an dyslexic agnostic insomniac lie in bed all night wondering if there really is a dog?

    Jan 26, 2010 at 10:01 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #13.1   anglophile bang

      Congratulations, Hmmm! When Joel’s grandma is tipped off by his cousin (who’s doing everything she can to get Joel out of the will, including telling Grandma he’s an atheist) to come and read this thread, just to see how disrespectful of his grandmother he really is, she will read your comment and be officially the last person in the world to hear this joke.

      Good job!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:04 pm   rating: 27  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.2   Hmmm

      Glo, Umm…OUCH!

      It’s our responsibility to keep this joke alive for the future generations that might be tempted to join questionable religious organizations…

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:17 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.3   park rose bang

      That joke was fucking delicious.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:37 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.4   Gandalf

      Bring out the Holy Unitard of Antioch!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 2:27 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.5   mamason bang

      Brings out the Holy Unitard of Anticrotch.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 4:35 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.6   park rose bang

      Just had a thought. The Anticrotch and the Anti-freeze would be the complete antithesis of one another, wouldn’t they?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 5:40 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.7   Crystal

      one, two, five

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:56 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.8   Canthz_B bang

      Questionable religious organizations?

      You can’t question, that would show a lack of faith. ;-)

      Jan 28, 2010 at 12:00 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.9   mamason bang

      Asking questions is how we learn. The disciples questioned Jesus constantly.

      Jan 28, 2010 at 9:49 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #14   J

    I really don’t see how this is passive aggressive at all. It sounds like she’s a nice elderly woman who wants the best for her grandson and doesn’t understand his beliefs. No where in this note did she bash him or threaten him. She wasn’t rude at all.

    Curiouser and curiouser…

    Jan 26, 2010 at 10:07 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   jetjackson bang

      Go directly to WTF? Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

      ;)

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:11 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.2   Kat

      I dunno, it’s pretty condescending.
      Imagine it the other way around.

      “Dear Grandma, I have heard that you say you’re an Christian. I don’t believe that because you have so many atheist qualities. You are intelligent, brave, and honest with yourself. (Why not use those gifts!?) Please use this check to have a great New Years day breakfast.”

      It’s pretty rude either way I think!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:11 pm   rating: 62  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.3   Critical Grass bang

      Everytime with the ‘this is not passive aggressive’… You gotta be freakin’ kidding me.

      She agrees on not sending him money anymore, since he asked her not to -> Someone tells her he’s an atheist -> She sends him a card listing all his Christian qualities with a check for $20 attached.

      You still don’t think that’s passive aggressive? No? *sigh* Ok then…

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:20 pm   rating: 38  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.4   G

      Oh, no, Joel can’t believe the things he believes! Because Grandma is certain that the qualities in Joel are the exclusive right and property of the Christians. So obviously Joel is just mistaken about what he believes.

      …yeah, not PA at all, nope.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:25 pm   rating: 26  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.5   oi bang

      I don’t really see how this internet connects people all over the world at all. This is just a tv and a type-writer connected together so that I can see what I am typing. No where I see any other set of typewriter and tv near me. It’s not worldwideweb at all.

      stupider and stupider.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:34 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.6   Canthz_B bang

      I think the beliefs (teachings) she doesn’t understand are her own.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:26 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.7   park rose bang

      I think passive aggressive notes can be overly polite. You know, the rudeness comes sugar-coated. Don’t you think so too?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:39 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.8   se

      Adam? Adam? J, meet Adam. Adam, meet J

      Jan 27, 2010 at 2:50 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #15   GOD

    TEAM ATHESIS!

    (sound of thunder booming)

    Jan 26, 2010 at 11:07 pm   rating: 18  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   park rose bang

      I am an athesis!
      I am an anarchist!
      Don’t know what I want
      But I know how to get it…

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:43 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.2   Mark bang

      I want to DESTROY!
      Grandma’s faith
      Cause I….
      wanna be….
      Athesis!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 9:56 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #15.3   park rose bang

      a-the-sis for the u. s. A!
      a-the-sis for the u.s.A!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 5:06 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #16   bonk

    I take that AndyJ and buy Grandmama a FSM t-shirt.

    Jan 26, 2010 at 11:09 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   pxmidnight

      Perhaps she will be touched by His noodly appendage.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:12 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #16.2   Clumber

      rAmen.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:46 am   rating: 26  small thumbs up

       
    • #16.3   TheOldSchool

      How can anyone top rAmen?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 6:13 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #16.4   anglophile bang

      A little diced hard-boiled egg, some sprouts, a bit of chili sauce. It’s not hard.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 7:09 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #17   Canthz_B bang

    “…have a great New Year’s Day breakfast.” is code for, “Don’t get sloppy drunk on New Year’s Eve again this year and sleep until sundown, you heathen.”

    Jan 26, 2010 at 11:30 pm   rating: 20  small thumbs up

     
  • #18   Lisa

    Honest, loyal, kind, generous, talented, handsome– the antithesis of an athesis.

    (Note that ‘intelligence’ ain’t mentioned, in enumerating the hallmarks of a good Christian.)

    Jan 26, 2010 at 11:33 pm   rating: 27  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   Canthz_B bang

      She never inferred he was a “good Christian”.
      Quite understandable, as they are few and far between.

      Don’t try telling them that though. All (within their own denomination, of course) are good Christians.
      It’s those others that call themselves “Christians” (they do that one with finger quotes, BTW) who have missed the mark and are going to Hell.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:38 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.2   passerby

      Could be worse. Even atheists think Quakers are going to hell.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:33 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #18.3   Canthz_B bang

      Thanks, passerby, now I’m craving a nice hot bowl of oatmeal.

      I wouldn’t make many Quaker jokes.
      Why do you think you haven’t heard of the Lutheran Oats Company?
      Those Quakers are a tough bunch.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:56 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #19   Adam

    Not a big religious guy, but leave it to a grandma to say something really nice.

    Jan 26, 2010 at 11:50 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #19.1   anglophile bang

      And with this comment, Adam, you have restored my faith. Bless you.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:24 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #20   fireserpent

    so… is 20$ the price of conversion? don’t sell your soul, man; but if you do, don’t sell it that cheap!

    Jan 27, 2010 at 1:20 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #20.1   Canthz_B bang

      Let me guess, you’re a money-changer.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:34 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #20.2   park rose bang

      He’s turned the tables on us…
      Wait, wrong guy…

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:44 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #21   Ethnic Avenue

    Twenty bucks is enough for me to back-slide on my Atheism.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 1:50 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #22   TheOldSchool

    Since neither Granny or Joel mentioned anything about Grandpa, I’m assuming that the old boy is metabolically challenged.

    She’s now a lonely liar with lots of money to blow — the best kind of GILF.

    Gosh … this is weird … I think I’m … beginning to see … the light.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 2:00 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #22.1   Canthz_B bang

      DON’T GO TO THE LIGHT, BABY!!!

      Unless it’s the light of a GILF’s all-night ATM. ;-)

      Jan 27, 2010 at 2:05 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.2   infant tyrone bang

      The Velvets…GILFing it up since before ’69…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3gWi9bBkHQ

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh45Rz76nsc

      Jan 27, 2010 at 3:35 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.3   anglophile bang

      LOL. “Metabolically challenged” has so replaced “kicked the bucket” on my List of Favorite Euphemisms for Dead. Didn’t quite make it to “planting a worm farm”, but the early-morning chuckle was much appreciated.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 6:17 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.4   infant tyrone bang

      glo’,
      It’s PM now, so riffing on the citric acid that would be in the AM OJ of Metabolically Challenged, maybe “a few enzymes short of a Krebs cycle”?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:54 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.5   Canthz_B bang

      Paraphrasing the now metabolically challenged Geo. Carlin:

      Doctor: I’m sorry, he expired this morning.

      Relative: Expired? Couldn’t you just renew him?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:17 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #23   Critical Grass bang

    The week after that, when Joel received from his Grandma a musical card playing “What if God was one of us”, he knew she meant business.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 3:26 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

     
  • #24   at2002

    I’m no expert, but I thought the primary quality one must possess to be a Christian was …. to believe in Christ.
    No? Excellent- since I’m hot, totally talented, loyal, and giving, I must already be a club member. The honesty part, overrated and not always practiced anyway by the foremost Christian (Gotcha, Abraham, you don’t *really* have to kill your son! Just testing!)

    Jan 27, 2010 at 6:14 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

     
  • #25   Havingfitz

    Ahhh, give Grandma a break here. She clearly loves Joel, and tolerance goes both ways. I’m not a religious person, but I can see an elderly person who is having this point of view. Joel, if you’re reading this my grandma has been gone for over 12 years now; she drove me bonkers while she was alive and I’d give everything I own to be slammed with her passive-aggressiveness just one more time.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 7:35 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

     
  • #26   Sam

    This assclown is calling his grandmother a “liar” because she sends him money? The note is also very gentle, yet he still mocks her.

    Douche. No surprise. Most atheists are.

    For the record, I am an avowed agnostic.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 7:46 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #26.1   Pioter

      Hey, the note is as passive-agressive as it can get! I’m an atheist and I don’t like you calling us douches. And I don’t give a shit about what you’re (or you say you’re). Insulting other people as a group just means you are not very intelligent (yes, I’m calling you idiot)

      Jan 27, 2010 at 7:59 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.2   anglophile bang

      How many atheists do you know, Sam?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:10 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.3   park rose bang

      I vowed off avowed agnostics a while ago. I couldn’t handle the aggression, the rigid belief system and intolerance for others. I mean, the creed goes something like this:

      We believe in one possibility, all possibilities, no possibilities,
      We believe in possibilities almighty and not so mighty,
      We believe in the maker of possibilities and the unmaker of possibilities,
      and all things possibly visible and possibly invisible…

      …douche canoes and the waters they want to paddle should surely get a look in, no? Or are they all washed up on the banks of brook no dissent?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:14 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.4   Canthz_B bang

      Each atheist is just an agnostic in the making.

      God isn’t finished with them yet.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:20 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.5   Sam

      Pioter:

      So you never insult groups of people? How about people of faith?

      This makes you not only an idiot, but a hypocrit as well.

      Anglophile:

      I went to a liberal-arts college. I’ve met plenty. They tend to be very depressed, nihilistic, and egotistical beyond belief. They don’t worship anything bigger than themselves.

      I’ll give you numbskulls a hint: if you were indeed at peace with your nihilism, you would not be compelled to mock those of faith.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:26 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.6   anglophile bang

      Most atheists I have met (and I could best describe myself as an agnostic) have had a lot of faith in the goodness of humanity. I guess the ones you have met may have had that faith shaken.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:30 am   rating: 23  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.7   park rose bang

      Ah, I think we’re knocking the aknostics, Sam. Or just one, really.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:31 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.8   Sam

      anglophile:

      I would argue that a belief “in the goodness of humanity” is a contemplation of some sort of divinity. What is “goodness”, if it’s something that is beyond the simple pursuit of self-gain?

      If you believe that humanity is inheritably “good” – then I think that is a profession of faith. It doesn’t have to be a hijacked image of Zeus behind the clouds.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:44 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.9   anglophile bang

      atheism: someone who denies the existence of god

      Not everyone believes that goodness comes from god. That’s the whole fricking point.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:49 am   rating: 33  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.10   Sam

      anglo:

      Where does goodness come from, then?

      Is it simply a mechanism to bond people together?

      Racism also bonds people together.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 8:56 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.11   anglophile bang

      Well, some would argue that the human brain evolved to the level of intelligence to understand that it is in the best interest of the individual and society as a whole to be “good”. If the end result is “goodness”, does it matter that the person doesn’t believe it is a gift from God? Does that make the person less “good”? I don’t believe so, but then, unlike you, as I stated at the beginning, most atheists I have met have been people I admire for themselves.

      Shit, I’ve gone and done the very thing I was trying to head off at #3.5. :|

      Jan 27, 2010 at 9:05 am   rating: 27  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.12   aaa bang

      Hey, blanket statement time!

      People who are truly secure in their beliefs (or lack thereof) don’t feel the need to convince others how right they think they are. c:

      What? I’m totally not being an inflammatory douchebag! YOU LIE.

      I’m gonna go eat tofu in front of hardcore carnivores while watching gay porn in front of homophobic anti-porn people now. And maybe kick a puppy or two.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:00 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.13   Mo® bang

      Hullo I am back from my Seal cub clubbing trip. Those beastility seal clubbers sure are a lot of fun! How about some spotted owl or penguin for dinner tonight? let’s go check out some elderly alzimer patients from the nursing home and bang them in the front pew of a church later.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:08 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.14   passerby

      Oh, Sam, Sam. It’s not people of faith we’re compelled to mock. It’s people of very little brain.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:10 am   rating: 24  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.15   aaa bang

      I went clubbing with seals once. It was pretty bitchin. Although I took a little too much E and ended up with a blubber-laden monster baby nine months later. :c

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:12 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.16   Mo® bang

      THAT WAS YOU! I saw that video! The Lolrus wants his bucket back too BTW.

      You know what else bonds people together? Super glue. Really.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:27 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.17   infant tyrone bang

      @ Lolrus…I CAN HAZ BENTHIC BIVALVE MOLLUSKS ?

      Sam, check out “reciprocal altruism” in the biology department.
      “Lower” animals are capable of being “good” to each other, too.
      Does it rise to the level of divinity ?

      The fact that the kind of goodness we are discussing is a
      weightless abstraction does not make it supernatural.

      On the other hand, some have partaken of Paula Dean’s pecan divinity
      and have said things like “I thought I’d died and gone to Heaven”.

      Other diners have been less charitable in awarding approval
      to her Cajun Blackened (“Good Housekeeping”) Seal.

      De gustibus etc….

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:26 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.18   HappyNat

      I’ve never heard someone call themselves an “avowed agnostic”. That could be the douchiest thing I’ve ever heard. I’m ready for a Kirk Cameron type conversion from Sam.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:45 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.19   Sue Do Nim bang

      Speaking of Kirk Cameron:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A&feature=related

      Jan 27, 2010 at 4:11 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.20   park rose bang

      Timo, you were the walrus?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 5:10 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.21   TheOldSchool

      “So I gave myself to God.
      There was a pregnant pause …
      before he said, “OK.”"

      – Belle and Sebastian

      Jan 27, 2010 at 6:25 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.22   passerby

      …and then there was a pregnant virgin?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 10:52 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #26.23   Canthz_B bang

      Sam, I’d suggest you Google “Secular Humanism”…I’m not going to explain it here.

      However, your position that those who put more stock in man than “God” is contradictory to the argument that those who don’t believe in “God” have no believe system at all, no? ;-)

      Racism? Really? The Klan professes to be a Christian organization. Their interpretation of God supports their world-view.
      Are you saying that anything we do invoking God’s name to bind us together is inherently good?

      Oh! Ye of little sense.

      Feb 4, 2010 at 7:30 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #27   Woman on the Verge bang

    Grandma forgot to mention that $20 is the exact amount of a ticket to the all-you-can-believe-in New Year’s Breakfast Buffet down at her church. She’ll be picking him up at 6:15am.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 7:53 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

     
  • #28   Gavin

    God I’d pass on the 20 bucks if that guilt trip came with…

    Jan 27, 2010 at 8:38 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #28.1   park rose

      Well done, my son.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 5:37 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #29   aaa bang

    So, the price is right?
    God wanted me to bribe you
    It’s for your own good…

    Jan 27, 2010 at 11:04 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

     
  • #30   Cady

    G-ma’s right. I’ve never met ANYONE who was honest, loyal, kind, giving, handsome and talented without being Christian. Those are just qualities that Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Wiccans, Deists, Agnostics and Atheists can’t have.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 11:04 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #30.1   anglophile bang

      What about Pastafarians?

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:18 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #31   Lucy

    Team Granma. Old people are allowed to be misguided. And she gave you money, dude. And you dissed her on the internet. You’re a bad grandson.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 11:14 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #31.1   aaa bang

      You’re just waiting till your sixties so you can be a douchebag to everybody ‘cuz you know they’ll be too afraid to call you on it, aren’t you? ;D

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:16 am   rating: 18  small thumbs up

       
    • #31.2   Lucy

      Nope, I do it now. I’m too kickass to wait til my sixties.

      Jan 30, 2010 at 3:19 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #32   Kara

    Joel,

    I didn’t know that a prerequisite of being an athiest is being an #$^&&*&*^% to your Grandmother.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 11:24 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #33   anglophile bang

    I always get a little wistful with these Grandparents threads. I wish my life experience taught me that being a grandparent automatically means you’re a good person. What happy lives so many of you have led.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 11:37 am   rating: 22  small thumbs up

    • #33.1   bev

      Word.

      My own mother – who is also grandmother to my children – is one of the most passive-aggressive old people you’ll ever meet. My kids like her, but they also know to dance around granny’s complex and righteous belief system.

      I wonder, at what age does one turn into a sweet old person? Apparently, 87 ain’t it.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 3:09 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #34   BeardedDave

    Did you all hear about the atheist who was dyslexic and had insomnia?

    He would lay awake at night wondering if there really was a dog.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 12:05 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #34.1   infant tyrone bang

      Does your elevator stop at the 13th floor ? (up yonder that-a-way) ⇑↑⇑

      For penance, ten Hail Mary’s and rework this to include Gregor Samsa
      and/or Roky Erickson.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:32 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #34.2   ashmeadow

      Except that joke doesn’t make any sense. He wouldn’t be wondering if there was a dog, he would just say there isn’t one. The word you’re looking for is agnostic.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 3:53 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #35   Lars

    I want to know where all the “honest, kind, loyal, giving, and not to mention handsome and extremely talented” Christians are. I only know slightly creepy, hypocritcal, angry, self-righteous zenophobes ones.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 12:07 pm   rating: 15  small thumbs up

    • #35.1   anglophile bang

      They’re a mixed lot, Lars. Just like every other group in this world.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:44 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #36   mamason bang

    I do, wholeheartedly, believe in God. I believe that He created the Earth and everything there is. I believe that, through sin, holy spirit was lost and that through Christ, reconciliation is available to those who accept it. I believe that Jesus is the son of God, born to a virgin and that he gave his life so that we might be reconciled, through adoption, to the Father and we are joint heirs with Christ and that Jesus died for our sins and that he is now at the right hand of God making constant intercession for us and that he will return.

    That is what I believe. That and run-on sentences. ♥

    Jan 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #36.1   Mark bang

      We believe in nothing, Lebowski. Nothing. And tomorrow we come back and we cut off your johnson.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 2:22 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #36.2   anglophile bang

      I am shocked.

      Everyone knows run-0n sentences are contrivances of the Devil.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #36.3   passerby

      Well, suddenly I understand why Dollhouse got a second season.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 10:54 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #36.4   hehe

      I believe in Joss Whedon

      Feb 2, 2010 at 7:27 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #37   NotGrandmaYet

    me? I believe in the ad below, “1 trick of a tiny bell” — I especially like the “1 weird old tip” as I’m weird and old and I like tips *ba dum dum

    …and the whole thing and elipses…

    Jan 27, 2010 at 4:15 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #38   Jared

    Dear Joel,
    Sorry that Jesus didn’t work out for you. Perhaps I can tempt you with Mammon?
    Love Gran

    Jan 27, 2010 at 5:09 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

     
  • #39   GalacticCowboy

    Ok, so… he told her not to send *money*, she agrees, and then she’s a liar because she sent a *check*? Everybody knows that a check is only *potential* money.

    Whew, that’s one thing off her conscience…

    Jan 27, 2010 at 6:37 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

     
  • #40   CourtH

    Got to say, I don’t think that Grandma’s note was that bad. Yeah, it can be offensive to assume that atheists can’t have any nice traits, but she didn’t come off as though she was completely done with her grandson. I would imagine that eventually she might learn something by having an atheist grandson.

    Plus, the tone of this letter didn’t seem very passive aggressive to me. I guess you could interpret it that way, but she just sounds sort of like a set-n-her-ways, caring grandmother to me.

    But Joel’s right about the money thing. What an awful liar she is. Can you imagine a grandmother wanting to send her grandson a gift? Bitch clearly needs to be called out on the internet by her “honest, loyal, kind and giving” grandson. Well maybe scratch out loyal and kind. Nice going, Joel.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 7:30 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #40.1   Wade bang

      A “set-n-her-ways, caring grandmother” is a Zen master of passive-aggression, no matter what her religious persuasion.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 7:48 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #40.2   oi bang

      Probably you misread the tone of comments? I don’t think anybody here says that grandma is not caring. Are they saying grandma is offensive, rude and self-righteous for listing those qualities as Christian? yes they are. Being set in your ways does not give you right to be offensive. Serial killers are set in their ways too, you know.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 7:50 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

       
    • #40.3   CourtH

      Really? Serial killers? That’s all you can come up with to compare with a grandmother?

      And where did I say that being set in your ways gives you the right to be offensive? I didn’t. I meant that Joel’s grandmother is likely in her 70s and 80s. She grew up in a different time, and from what I’ve seen people don’t really change in old age. The same thing will probably happen to us. It doesn’t mean that what she said isn’t offensive, but if you’re going to have a relationship with a grandparent you have to accept their personality faults.

      And like I said before, I would bet that grandma gets over Joel’s atheism.

      Jan 28, 2010 at 12:34 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #40.4   oi bang

      No I did not compare grandma to a serial killer, I made a point that if you defend grandma saying that oh she is set in her way so it’s ok to be offensive then serial killers can also be defended in same way. If you were not defending her then my bad. I am aware of the scale of proportion here, or I would have said something to the effect that grandma should be hanged.
      If you read my other comments you will notice that I did not take any sides because grandson made an unnecessary big deal about grandma sending money to him in my opinion. (may be there is more to it, who knows, but in the it was unnecessary to call her a liar light of given info) I tried to make only one point that grandma’s letter is offensive to non chritians and if you write offensive letters then be prepared to be called offensive. that’s it.

      Jan 28, 2010 at 1:46 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #41   Fanboy Wife

    I know people that are “honest, loyal, kind and giving… handsome and extremely talented” who come from all different religious paths, including Atheists. Yes, Grandma is old and probably set in her ways, but she shouldn’t harass her grandson about religion.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 7:33 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #42   agentnumone bang

    no backg!!

    ?

    Jan 27, 2010 at 7:33 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #43   oi bang

    ba ba bam di ba!

    Jan 27, 2010 at 7:50 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #44   Olivia

    Handsome Jewish guys get $40 from their grandmas.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 8:36 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

     
  • #45   Herc

    I can totally relate! My husband and I are not religious, so we had our wedding outdoors in a large garden. We asked that in lieu of gifts, people donate to charity. This was not good enough for my christian grandparents. Instead of donating to charity, they chose to send us a check with the note, “hoping you find church!”. No, don’t donate to the needy or anything.

    Jan 27, 2010 at 10:03 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

     
  • #46   Renagade676

    This is why I love being Wiccan. We don’t have to give a damn about other’s beliefs, as long as they respect ours.

    *Whistles, “Imagine”*

    Jan 28, 2010 at 7:02 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #46.1   passerby

      You think that might have some connection why you were the ones ending up as human candles…?

      Jan 28, 2010 at 12:15 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #46.2   coolalex

      Yeah, as in

      “Imagine NO religion”

      That includes wiccanism or paganism or hottopicism or whatever.

      Jan 28, 2010 at 6:54 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #47   mmbb

    cashed the check anyway, didn’t you, joel?

    Jan 28, 2010 at 7:42 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #48   luh

    Argh it’s so annoying, assuming atheists can’t be generally nice people.

    Jan 28, 2010 at 6:21 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #49   Max Time bang

    well jus spend it on some mcdonalds cinnamin rolls then leave it on the grandma’s doorstep with a nice note. Maybe the gramma will learn her PLACE!

    Jan 29, 2010 at 9:20 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #50   TippingCows

    I know this thread is dead and buried (and gone to the great big ramen factory in the sky) …

    but come on. Just because someone is old it doesn’t mean they can’t be called out on being ignorant and insulting. Don’t fool yourselves, people – the old people have us in the palm of their wrinkly, liver-spotted hands.
    They are waiting. Just. Waiting. Because time is all they have.

    Jan 30, 2010 at 9:05 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #51   pat

    she is your granma after all …would it kill you to justlet her think you are who she thinks??

    Jan 31, 2010 at 11:54 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #51.1   anglophile bang

      OK, so are you a Christian, pat? And you would be ok with your Grandma wanting you to be an atheist? You would just let her think you deny Christ as your savior because she’s a little old lady and she should just be lied to and allowed to believe that she can dictate your faith?

      Jan 31, 2010 at 2:19 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #51.2   TippingCows

      I think that would make him asshole of the year, actually. Being dishonest to someone because you look down upon them enough to think they can’t handle “the truth”? Sure, that’s respect right there, Pat. Yeah she’s a bit surprised and upset but trying to fit into a “mold” of what others expect from us isn’t exactly a way to live an honest, healthy life, is it?
      But what the heck is that, anyways? I’m not gay, I swear! I AM NOT HIDING ANYTHING, MOM!

      Jan 31, 2010 at 2:24 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #52   IrishEyes

    I think Grandma might be a bit affected by the elderly…

    Jan 31, 2010 at 9:48 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #53   aspentroll.myid.net

    I guess if you were brainwashed as a child and lived to a ripe old age when senility sets in, you likely won’t
    know how to deal with an atheist. Even the Pastors in the churches don’t understand atheism, much less deluded old grannies.

    Feb 6, 2010 at 1:01 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #54   Kaitlin

    Wow. So only Christians can have good qualities?
    I’m smart, friendly, generous, and I believe myself to be decent-looking. And while I’m Christian, I don’t believe those to be gifts from God so much as the products of good genetics and a proper raising.

    Oh, and I met a Hindu man yesterday. I don’t know him well enough to recognize too many of his qualities, but dude can paint. I thought only Christians could be talented?

    Feb 8, 2010 at 2:53 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
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