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Spoken like someone who has never tried to take a one-year-old shopping

February 15th, 2010 · 307 comments

Alex and his wife, Kathy, have an 18-month-old son who, among other his hobbies, enjoys pulling off his socks and shoes at any opportunity. (Perhaps he’s a future marathon-running superathlete. Or, you know, a normal 18-month-old.)

Recently, Kathy took her son with her on a trip to the store in their hometown of Las Vegas (temperature: a bone-chilling 64 degrees). When she came back to the car, she found this helpful bit of parenting advice waiting on her windshield.

How can you bring your kids out without shoes or socks!! It's not summer!! I see you have on shoes socks + long sleeves! Stop being a lazy ass mom!!

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307 responses so far ↓

  • #1   justtrollin'


    Feb 15, 2010 at 8:44 pm   rating: 24  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   park rose bang

      Put a sock in it, justtrollin’. Wait… you already have.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 9:30 pm   rating: 17  small thumbs up

    • #1.2   lilmegz

      i wish we could boo comments as well as give thumbs up. two thumbs down for this so over done, lack of creativity, and just so 2008 fucking delicious!

      Feb 19, 2010 at 6:30 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #2   Tolling

    Lady, it dont matter if it’s winter in Vegas. If 64 degrees is too cold to not wear shoes, then I should get frost bite everytime I walk out onto my deck, since it’s usually 40-ish degrees at night.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:01 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

  • #3   Mindy

    Perhaps the notewriter is an overzealous and semi-insane Baby Gap manager?

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:04 pm   rating: 52  small thumbs up

  • #4   stacey

    Seriously, this woman has never had a child. Neither have I, but I have a three year old niece who hates ALL clothes. Thank god her mother keeps the house at 70 degrees, or I’m sure this nincompoop would show up and “tut-tut” my sister-in-law.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:06 pm   rating: 18  small thumbs up

  • #5   farcical aquatic ceremony

    my brain did a leap from “lazy ass” to “lazy eye”, which (of course) made me wonder what a mom with a wandering ‘tock would look like… (could she EVER find the pair of jeans that fit right??)

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:19 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

  • #6   G

    I’m told that, at that age, I often stripped off ALL my clothes…wherever I happened to be…randomly and without warning.

    This mom’s doing well just to have the kid out sans shoes/socks.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:22 pm   rating: 38  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   much to my chagrin bang

      I never grew out of that stage and it’s done wonders for my social life.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:42 pm   rating: 81  small thumbs up

    • #6.2   Connie

      Once, at preschool, I peed on myself and my teachers took me to the hall to undress me and went off to get some clothes from the office. I left and wandered up and down the halls naked until they finally found me.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 5:10 am   rating: 36  small thumbs up

    • #6.3   park rose

      I think if you continued that behaviour into adulthood it would do wonders for your social life, too ;) Have you?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 6:45 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #6.4   Connie

      I don’t run around naked so much anymore, but I pee myself frequently. Do I get partial credit?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 7:19 am   rating: 36  small thumbs up

    • #6.5   oi

      I did not go as far s stripping off clothes altogether but my mom says that she had real hard time keeping my shoes, socks and sweaters on. I used to hide my socks in the attic, in the storage everywhere to get out of wearing it. i had like 15-20 pairs of school uniform socks because of it.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:03 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #6.6   MAMARILLA2 bang

      Can’t keep shoes on my 3 yr old grand daughter.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 2:35 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #6.7   Canthz_B bang

      My youngest was a “naked-teer”, but only at home. She kept her clothes on in public, thank goodness she didn’t follow what seems to be the norm of children not being able to keep their clothes on.

      I never noticed that was the norm until this thread, because the vast majority of children I see in public in real life seem to be fully dressed.
      That, and that the streets don’t seem to be littered with discarded socks and shoes.

      No offense intended, but we are born naked. Naked is our natural state of being. Being dressed is a social convention that must be taught and learned. If your children aren’t learning it, it’s not being taught properly.
      There’s no one “proper” way to teach it, no one-size-fits-all, but to not teach by saying “(S)He’s just like that” is a cop out.
      To say that Canthz_B is an asshole who thinks his way is the only way is pure bullshit to anyone who can read and objectively consider the written word.

      I don’t mean that in a bad way.
      Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
      That’s what she said.
      I’m not British.
      Not pointing fingers, but…
      Bless your hearts. ;-)

      Feb 21, 2010 at 3:23 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #6.8   MAMARILLA2 bang

      Of 4 children, only 1 had an aversion to clothing…
      I was grateful that after the age of 2 she restricted her nakedness to the homefront. I did not realize how common this was at the time.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 3:29 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #7   crumplet

    Stop being a lazy ass and learn some punctuation bitch!!! It’s “IT’S not summer”, not “ITS not summer”!!

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:24 pm   rating: 15  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   park rose bang

      Maybe she had a runny nose. But it would still have to be choice a). Ah well.
      Maybe the kid’s name is Summer, and the note-writer sneezed all over him, or at least the windscreen? It is how she refers to herself. She’s not too good with the third person ‘s’. Now that Summer is goober-infested, the note-writer knows (nose) for a fact that Summer will be needing those socks and shoes to battle the dreaded lurgie.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 9:35 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #8   Bemused

    Meh. I see plenty of parents with half-dressed kids and yet mom and/or dad manage to be bundled up. At some point you really have to quit whining “It’s because they’re kids!” and man up and dress your child appropriately and responsibly. “He’s one!” Well, what are you going to do when he’s ten and totally unmanageable because you didn’t crack down on him now??? Oh, I’m a parent, BTW….

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:25 pm   rating: 29  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   L.H.

      You don’t really “crack down” on a one-year-old, mostly because it doesn’t work like that. I’m guessing you’re either not a parent or you’re the hands-off type who leaves it to his wife to do all that kid stuff.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 9:44 pm   rating: 81  small thumbs up

    • #8.2   Annie Stevens

      Seriously? Shitty adults make shitty children. That doesn’t mean reasonably informed adults with intelligent children can’t discipline them at a young age. My four month old understood the word ‘no’. He is ten months old and knows not to tug off his sock (not that I don’t understand the predicament of the mother, hey, it happens) . Just because your child, reading your pathetic body language, manipulated you to be his baby back bitch, doesn’t mean the rest of us are totally under the infant thumb of our own spawn.

      Yeah, and I’m the 21 year-old wife who handles all that ‘kid stuff’. I guess your lovely children will be who my husband refers to when he says, ‘ditch diggers will always be needed’.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:39 pm   rating: 23  small thumbs up

    • #8.3   bug

      let me get this straight — you believe that your 10 month old is capable of reading your body language and using it to manipulate you? your child must be the real life equivalent to stewie griffin.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:03 pm   rating: 71  small thumbs up

    • #8.4   Canthz_B bang


      You believe a 10 month-old can’t read body language?

      What do you think babies read if not body clues and facial expressions?
      You think they’re born knowing English, Spanish, etc.?

      Talk about batty.
      Ever had strained peas and bananas at the same mealtime?
      Was your baby able to tell you as soon as you put the spoon in the peas that he/she wasn’t going to open their mouth, but that the banana was a done deal?

      If not…have that kid checked out.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:09 pm   rating: 30  small thumbs up

    • #8.5   bug

      i believe that the average 10 month baby is not capable of *consciously* reading body language, which would be required to then intentionally manipulate their pathetic parent.

      btw get out from under my bridge.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:24 pm   rating: 26  small thumbs up

    • #8.6   not a parent, but....

      uhmm – I’m not going to get into the “bad parent/good parent” argument, but I will say that at 10 months, my niece was able to speak several words and 2 full sentences (“Daddy home now” and “Daddy work now”). Both she and my nephew were fairly proficient at “baby sign language” by 8 months.

      So, yes, I’d say 10 month olds are capable of reading body language.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:05 am   rating: 17  small thumbs up

    • #8.7   bug

      a few points….
      1. babies = little animals learning to be human, all they’ve got is body language for communication.
      2. babies = completely dependent, if they weren’t designed to be manipulative they likely wouldn’t become adults. their cuteness, their very essence, is their prime manipulator.

      anyhow, the scary part to me is that Annie Stevens seems to feel that the mother-baby relationship is necesarily combative. i wonder if her ten month old knows much other than the word no and what not to do.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:33 am   rating: 32  small thumbs up

    • #8.8   Canthz_B bang

      Bug, you must not have any children.
      Babies are quite capable of communicating, in their way.
      Attentive parents can understand their communication.
      Yes, they are also good at learning cause and effect…in fact, that’s what they are built to do while their brains develop and build the necessary connections to allow them to be the social animals that humans are.

      Get a clue, or don’t have any children.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:47 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #8.9   Annie Stevens

      That’s awesome, Bug. Would it be better if my child was a little shit? Then would I get the gold star of parenting from you?

      There is a difference between discipline and combative behavior. I don’t think teaching him ‘no’ indicates that he does nothing in fear of retribution. He might just have more issues adjusting to the fact that not everybody’s little darlings aren’t subjected to basic rules that are useful, if not necessity in a rapidly disintegrating society.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:48 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #8.10   Canthz_B bang

      They don’t learn how to be human and then one day wake up human. They are human, and growing in sophistication by leaps and bounds by the hour, if given the proper stimuli.
      It’s a process of continual growth, not an accumulation of abilities until some graduation threshold is reached and then BOOM sudden change.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:56 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #8.11   bug

      is it at all possible that those “issues adjusting to the fact….” are at part to blame for our rapidly disintigrating society?

      see that little boy over there? see how he doesn’t have any shoes? his mommy is a bad mommy.

      not that you know her. or have any clue why she does what she does. or why he doesn’t have any shoes.

      why bother to try to understand the rest of the world? you already know that you’re right, and that is all the matters, right?

      CB – i agree with everything you just said except the first (unfounded assumption) and last (just mean) lines.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:58 am   rating: 23  small thumbs up

    • #8.12   bug

      and 8.10…that one just made my head mushy.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:00 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #8.13   Canthz_B bang

      True, the last line was just mean, my apologies…I forgot my new year resolution…parenting is a pet peeve of mine.

      I did see below that you say you are a parent, but wasn’t sure if it was poetic license.

      I usually try to stick to joking around here, but I feel strongly that if you don’t understand how the infant/baby/toddler brain develops you really ought to look into it…because time is running out if your child is still really young.
      Like I said, mine are grown and I know the drill…not just blowing smoke out of my ass. :-D

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:09 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #8.14   tokr

      Annie Stevens, please calm down. Parenting is not a contest. All children are different, and some may not want to wear socks and shoes. Since parents are also different, some may find that allowing the child to be barefoot is permissible. Most of us have learned to choose our battles, and this may just not be one of them.

      I speak from experience, as my kids are now 21 and 17 years old. Please, relax and enjoy your baby!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:17 am   rating: 79  small thumbs up

    • #8.15   bug

      hmm. you try to stick to joking, yet take other’s jokes seriously? unfortunately for most children, time has already run out.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:21 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #8.16   Canthz_B bang

      Um, no…I take some issues seriously.

      I hardly ever tale myself seriously, and hope no one else do so either most of the time. ;-)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 2:01 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #8.17   Canthz_B bang

      does so.

      where’s the edit feature?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 2:02 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #8.18   Edwina the Defrocked Nun

      I wanted to answer Bemused and not get into this whole good parent/bad parent thing…

      Anyway… I had terrible luck keeping hat and mittens and even a winter coat on my young-uns and now that they’re adults they’re the same way. I realized that they have Swedish blood through their father’s side and maybe, just maybe, they are comfortable at different temperatures than the rest of us?

      At a hundred degrees below zero,
      he buttoned up his vest…

      -from song “The Logger Lover”

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:17 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #8.19   park rose bang

      The Tale of Too Seriously, CB ♥ (8.16). I know that one, I know it well.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:27 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #8.20   aaa bang



      (Nobody can successfully argue against me with my iron-clad arguments! Bwahahahahaha!)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:57 am   rating: 40  small thumbs up

    • #8.21   Q

      Right now I just have to deal with socks being pulled off. Soon my 5 month old daughter will probably tear off shirts and diapers… honestly, if they’re not too hot or cold, what wrong with not wearing every bit of clothing possible? Peer pressure or the lure of pretty clothes will get her to eventually change.

      Also, note writer is a stalker. She probably watched the note receiver leave her car, took time to write the note, and then probably followed the OFFENSIVE woman through the store, clucking her tongue all the while, awaiting the moment when she would be validated.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:08 am   rating: 23  small thumbs up

    • #8.22   Rebelcat

      When I had just one child, I thought I was a fantastic parent. My daughter was an obedient, calm baby who could totally be reasoned with logically, even when she was just a year old.

      Obviously it was because I was doing everything right!

      It was all so simple. I couldn’t understand why everyone else couldn’t see it. Why their children would be perfect, if they’d just do everything the same way I did.

      Then I had a second child, and for some reason nothing I’d done with the first child worked with him. My son was an unreasonable baby. He had tantrums that could last hours. He would scream and flail rather than put his shoes on.

      I eventually learned to follow him outside into the snow. His toes would quickly get cold, he’d start to cry, and then – and only then! – would he let me dry off his feet and put his socks and boots on.

      My first child is now fourteen. She’s still an easy going, mellow, sane kid. She has never caused us any anxiety.

      My second child is now twelve. He’s a joy. But he has to learn things his own way. He burned himself on the stove, instead of listening to my warnings. But now he’s a great cook. And he mostly wears shoes when he goes outside. But not his hat or mitts.

      And me? Turns out I’m not a great parent after all. I just got lucky. Twice. ;-)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 10:42 am   rating: 98  small thumbs up

    • #8.23   matty-wat

      I always love your comments Canthz B, but you could stand to put down the glass of Sanctimonious Kool-Aid and walk away.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:32 pm   rating: 19  small thumbs up

    • #8.24   ohreally

      I don’t see the big deal in letting a kid go without shoes and socks in 64 degree weather. It’s not an indication that this mother never has control of the situation, she’s just letting her kid go without something on his feet in non-arctic temperatures. How can anyone form a full on judgement of her parenting skills over something so insignificant? It doesn’t mean her kid doesn’t know the meaning of the word “no,” or that she’s letting her kid manipulate her into being his obedient lapdog who never has control of the situation. She’s just learned, as we all do at some point in parenting, that you can’t sweat the small stuff. My kid’s a little furnace, and there are a lot of instances where my husband and I feel on the chilly side, but he’s totally comfortable, and if you tried to bundle him up more, he’d sweat like a faucet. It’s not giving up all semblance of parental backbone to not force him to dress exactly how we’re comfortable, it’s knowing your kid and what works for them.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:49 pm   rating: 41  small thumbs up

    • #8.25   Sean

      I want to know why ditch diggers were brought into the discussion.

      What did they ever do to Annie Stevens’ pompous husband?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:56 pm   rating: 26  small thumbs up

    • #8.26   i poo poo it

      Ya and I bet your kids twitch alittle everytime you enter the room.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:03 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #8.27   Jebidiah

      Bring up parenting and people get CRAZY. My 15 month old never wears shoes. First, I don’t want to mess with something he’s going to rip off anyways and possibly chuck out the car window. Second, we bought these awesome Puma socks that look like shoes!!! Eureka! A win/win. I don’t have to put shoes on the baby, and I stay out of the line of fire for “bad parenting” from all of the zealots. SWEET!!!

      Feb 17, 2010 at 12:25 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #8.28   April

      Yeah this. If my kid is not walking yet then there is no need for shoes. Same if I am not going to let them walk at the store, why do they need shoes? I will put socks on them though. Baby shoes for non walkers are a waste of money. They serve no real purpose. I never bought shoes for my kids till they walked. Then they had one pair of sneakers and that was it. They outgrow shoes way to fast to waste money on several pairs. I got some looks but I just laughed back at them because American Academy of Pediatrics says not to put shoes on nonwalkers too unless they are those slipper kinds.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 5:39 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #8.29   Summer

      Annie Stevens, you sweet naive girl. You’re 21, your baby is 10 month. A baby may well understand “no” at the precious age of 10 months. They also understand it at 18 months, and they laugh in your faces. It’s a game, and it’s typical, and all kids do it. It is in no way a sign of poor parenting or that such child will be wild older. Actually, the ones who act too perfect young tend to act out wilder as they age. I’d rather have a wild toddler than a teen finally getting a taste of freedom.

      Call me in a few years when you have more parenting under your belt.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 10:07 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

    • #8.30   Annie Stevens

      Summer, if you ever get the chance to fornicate, call me. Then we can discuss real world parenting, not your piteous half-dream.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 5:23 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #8.31   Aubrey

      I know other people out there over the age of 21 will get this…

      Annie, I’m not trying to degrade you in any way, but as you get older and get more life under your belt these petty things of socks and shoes will seem silly to you. You might be a fabulously mature 21 year old, but still, life only hands you so much and you should take into account that there are people on here with a lot more life experiences than you. Why not take advantage of that rather than trying to put up a defensive? It’s okay to take feedback, it’s not going to kill you. : )

      PS I live in Vegas too and I haven’t worn shoes since Decemeber!

      Mar 8, 2010 at 2:22 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

  • #9   0falcon8 bang

    How can you write a passive-aggressive note punctuated with only exclamation marks!! It looks really foolish!!! I see other notes and they have apostrophies and periods!! Stop being a lazy ass punctuator!!!

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:30 pm   rating: 33  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   ohreally

      Or at least slap a pink penis or two on there. Come on!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:49 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

  • #10   snatchbeast

    babies shouldn’t get a pass on the shirts and shoes required signs. because babies suck.

    team note writer

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:31 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   park rose bang

      It’s how they get their nutrition.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 9:36 pm   rating: 35  small thumbs up

  • #11   Melle

    I agree with @bemused. I have never seen any of my family members send their babies out into the street sans shoes and socks unless it was summer and they were wearing sandals. Sometimes I think it really is some parents just being lazy and not bothering to get their kids into good habits early.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:32 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   park rose bang

      It’s hell finding nun’s clothing to fit a two-month old, though. By the time you track some down, there’s only the cheap nylon versions available, and even then, the little ones grow out of them before you’ve even had the chance to rattle off one decade of the rosary.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 9:37 pm   rating: 105  small thumbs up

    • #11.2   Canthz_B bang

      ♥, rose.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:45 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #11.3   Folksy McBride bang

      Even if the habits are good, the baby boys still look a wee bit slutty wearing them.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:55 am   rating: 18  small thumbs up

    • #11.4   tinkerbell2

      ♥♥♥♥, rose. Hilarious mental image.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 5:08 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #11.5   Clumber

      Error : already voted!

      dammit. — ♫♥Rose♥♫

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:33 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #11.6   ohreally

      I don’t think she was sending him out into the streets so much as she had him with her shopping. In a store. I think his poor little feet probably survivied the trip from car to store and back in 64 degree weather without any physical damage or delayed development of his understanding when it is or is not appropriate to wear shoes/socks.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:52 pm   rating: 24  small thumbs up

    • #11.7   nil zed

      I’ve never heard of sending babies out into the street, period. If anyone is sending their babies out into the street, the question of shoes and/or socks is probably moot.

      That said, our family joke was: Do you know what a sweater is? What a child must wear when their mother is cold.

      Feb 18, 2010 at 1:35 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

  • #12   oi bang

    I too hate socks. and full sleeves. and burkha. and unitards.

    Team baby.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:34 pm   rating: 69  small thumbs up

  • #13   mykidsmomx4

    Wow! I didn’t even know my ex had been to Las Vagas!

    He alsways has lame comments like that for me. Like the one night when our baby was 7 mo old and I came home (my house, he was long gone) from my moms at 9:45 on a Friday night. He stood in the street and yelled “New Rule! She must be in by 9:00 every night!” (He was totally serious.)

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:39 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

  • #14   0falcon8 bang

    I see this situation going awry when Junior comes down with a raging case of ringworm of toe-herpes. Remember, kids: when you walk barefoot on a floor, your feet are having sex with all the other bare feet that walked there before you!

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:42 pm   rating: 19  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   bug

      it is…interesting…that 18 month old barefeet make your mind jump to foot sex.
      remember: most 18 month olds aren’t really walking around all that much; it’s still more of a recreational activity than a mode of transportation.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:30 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #14.2   Canthz_B bang

      You might want to have your 18 month-old checked out.
      Mine were walking at 10 or 11 months and toilet trained by 18 months.

      My ex used to say, “When they’re old enough to take off their diapers, they’re old enough to go to the bathroom.”
      Buy Pampers for three years if you want to, that’s on you. ;-)

      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:38 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #14.3   semi-bug-colon

      walking, yes. but did they walk everywhere you went? that would be an awfully slow day.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:51 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #14.4   Canthz_B bang

      Actually, yes, they did walk with us. We didn’t put our children in little push carts. (I don’t call them strollers, because the kid isn’t doing any strolling.) We just never treated them as cargo is all.
      We let them develop those things, um, what are they called again?…oh yeah, muscles.

      Anyway, wearing shoes is part of being dressed. If you want to take your child out half-dressed, that’s fine by me.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:58 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #14.5   bug

      “never treated them as cargo at all”

      well, that is impressive. i commend your parenting skill and patience. it must have been a difficult nine months, with mom always having to schedule her day around where the baby was going (or not going). and the trip home from the hospital must’ve been an agonizing crawl for the little guy, but so long as he wasn’t run over or stepped on, whatever doesn’t kill them only makes them stronger, right?*

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:15 pm   rating: 36  small thumbs up

    • #14.6   Canthz_B bang

      I’m sorry, did I say babies or were we talking about children of about 18 months of age?

      Cute little joke though.

      Very little.

      And, if you’re going to use quotation marks, try to be accurate with the content. :-P

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:43 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #14.7   bug

      hmm. i thought we were talking about toddlers…but that is of very little difference.

      :) yah tell me about it, it’s driving me crazy.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:08 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #14.8   Canthz_B bang

      Guess it Depends on where one draws the line. My kids weren’t Pampered, so once they started toddling, I considered them toddlers.
      I was so proud when they started to walk I’d give them great big Huggies! :mrgreen:

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:16 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #14.9   Ten

      Hooray for making those little buggers walk as soon as they can walk! I see so many parents continuing to push around 3 and 4 and 5 and 7 and 9 year olds in strollers, it drives me nuts.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:35 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #14.10   aaa bang

      Pffft, I was talking at three months and walking the next day. By the time I was sixth months, I was pushing my parents around in a stroller since they were walking too damn slow for me. After that, they never seemed to keep their fucking shoes and socks on. Goddamn.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:01 am   rating: 68  small thumbs up

    • #14.11   ohreally

      I just love parents who decide that their way of parenting is the only way.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:55 pm   rating: 42  small thumbs up

    • #14.12   looky lou

      Canthz B is scaring me.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 8:29 am   rating: 16  small thumbs up

    • #14.13   JMonkey78 bang

      He scares all of us at times, but what you have to ask yourself is, “would you rather be his friend when he snaps, or someone he does not like, or does not know?”

      Feb 17, 2010 at 8:47 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #14.14   April

      My kids are almost three and still can’t get thier diapers off on their own.

      Feb 19, 2010 at 5:41 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #14.15   Canthz_B bang

      Gene pool. Thin the herd.

      j/k :-P

      Feb 19, 2010 at 7:06 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #15   Caitlyn

    I would put my baby in socks, but not shoes, unless he is allowed to walk around. If kept in the cart, shoes are unnecessary, and actually harmful to the development of the baby foot.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 9:48 pm   rating: 25  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   Canthz_B bang

      StrideRite, not Shoprite.

      Properly designed and fitted shoes do not harm the development of feet.

      You can barely notice my children’s odd gait, and they’ve always worn shoes. ;-)

      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:34 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #15.2   semi-bug-colon

      you must allow me to get in touch with your offspring. all this time, i thought i was the only one born wearing shoes. finally! somebody that can relate to the inconveniences and embarassments; missing out on all the ice skating, sock hops, pedicures and bounce houses. and! maybe they know of a secret for getting the sand out; it’s been driving me mad since that trip to the beach when i was 2.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:46 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #15.3   Canthz_B bang

      If you’re not competent enough to purchase the right shoe size for your kids, I doubt my offspring would have much to say to you.

      They have their standards.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:55 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #15.4   bug

      i cannot believe that you would be so cruel! being the parent of children born wearing shoes surely you are aware that i have never been able to enjoy the simple pleasure of trying on a shoe. as a result, i must admit that i am doubtful of my own shoe size judging abilities. what you do not know is that i am also a responsible parent, and always defer to the shoe store professionals for the sizing of my children’s shoes.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:42 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #15.5   Canthz_B bang

      No need to explain. I got your attempt at humor the first time.
      Wasn’t impressed by it, but I got it.

      Should I explain that my children don’t have odd gaits? Or is that a given?

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:58 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #15.6   bug

      in my experience, an odd gait is not a symptom.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:41 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #15.7   Canthz_B bang

      In my experience it’s often a symptom (or side effect) of a job well done! :twisted:

      Feb 16, 2010 at 2:06 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #15.8   sleeps

      Now, now, ladies; you’re both pretty!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:18 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #15.9   so relieved that perfection is, indeed, possible

      Jeez, Canthz B, we get it already: you’re perfect, your childrearing was perfect, your kids are perfect, the grammar you used while being perfect and perfectly raising your perfect kids was perfect. That, and the fact that your rejoinders quickly degrade to meanspiritedness—all clear to us at this point.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:24 pm   rating: 73  small thumbs up

    • #15.10   ohreally

      I’d say I think we know who wrote the note on this woman’s car, but the note isn’t perfectly written, so…

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:00 pm   rating: 23  small thumbs up

    • #15.11   JMonkey78 bang

      Your children dont have odd gaits. At my old house we had an odd gait, sometimes I could not get it open. Whoever designed it was a total loss to the human genome.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 8:49 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

  • #16   sonicmega bang

    Way to sock it to ‘em, I guess!

    Feb 15, 2010 at 10:04 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   park rose bang


      Feb 15, 2010 at 10:09 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #16.2   park rose bang

      Sorry (mourns edit button like you wouldn’t believe). I meant R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:04 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #16.3   Clumber


      Really though, i’d still be pulling off my damn shoes and socks if the damn sidewalks weren’t so OWIE…. pout. I hate shoes. I say let the kids stay barefoot as long as they want. Team nekkid!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:38 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #16.4   Beanster bang

      i want to join my local branch of team nekkid.

      * scours yellow pages *

      Feb 17, 2010 at 9:29 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

  • #17   Morgaine

    Probably the same people who yelled at me when I left my dogs in the car when it was 55 degrees out.

    I left them in the car, in the shade for ten minutes. And it was 55 degrees out. Do people really think they need to be the common sense for others? I know that there are people who do stupid things, but give people some credit. We all aren’t crazy.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 10:09 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   Clumber

      Some folks amble through life in a constant state of being pre-offended. When they see the chance ANY CHANCE to share that offense, well just don’t turn your back on ‘em and keep one in the chamber…

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:39 am   rating: 31  small thumbs up

  • #18   Canthz_B bang

    64°F. is cold as hell when you’re used to 109°F. average during the summer.

    I think I’d curl up and die if I had to experience anything below 39° now, let alone standing at a windy bus stop in 13° in NJ like I used to.

    Let your kid pull his shoes and socks off in the car…put them back on before you take him into the store.
    We call that being dressed.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 10:30 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   Tolling

      If you’re a baby, it dosent matter what you’re use to. Socks and shoes are gone as soon as they can reach ‘em. My 2 year old neice still rips off her shoes whenever she comes over.

      Also, it’s just a note, lady. Don’t read too much into the submitter’s comment. Seriously.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:20 pm   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #18.2   Canthz_B bang

      1) I’m not a baby.

      2) By age two my kids knew how to keep their clothes on. You see, when they would try to take them off outside our home, we taught, yes taught, them not to.

      3) I’m no lady.

      4) Your local community college probably has a parenting course. Financial aid is available.

      5) You’re not supposed to “have” children. You’re supposed to “raise” them.

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:27 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #18.3   Tolling

      1. Obviously you’re not. I meant if you would think from a child’s point of veiw, which is obviously beyond your comprehension.

      2. I am so, so glad your children were so well trained.

      3. I am sorry for confusing your gender.

      4. I said ‘My neice’, not ‘my child.’ I have not even graduated high school, let alone even concidered a family.

      5. If you’re this particular about the way people type or the prefrence of how they clothe their own children, then it’s no shock your kids were well trained. Fear should not be a modivational tool for children.

      6. Why are you even getting this anal over one post on a funny website? You should grow up and get a hobby. Like a herb garden or something.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 am   rating: 85  small thumbs up

    • #18.4   bug

      pwned by a high schooler!!! NICE!!!!!!1!!!!!1

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:04 am   rating: 35  small thumbs up

    • #18.5   Canthz_B bang

      Poor little thing doesn’t even know how important good parenting is and why someone may care about it,et alone the difference between “training” and “teaching”.

      Finish high school and college, life still holds great things for you if you apply yourself.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:17 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #18.6   Tolling

      I know the importance of good parenting. Obviously, you take joking and comments on the internet way too seriously.

      Thanks for the encoragment, by the way. I’m certain to apply myself more than you did, sweetheart. <3

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:38 am   rating: 49  small thumbs up

    • #18.7   Katie

      Oh man. Yeah. That sucks. Highschooler wins. Adult fails at the dignified ‘bow-out’.
      Slight hope is left intact for the future of humanity.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:52 am   rating: 55  small thumbs up

    • #18.8   Canthz_B bang

      I’m sure you know the importance of good parenting.
      I just happen to have the experience of having been a good parent.

      Some day you may learn that your theory is not good practice, maybe it will be, but you really aren’t in a position to speak on the subject at this point in time.

      I don’t tell race car drivers how to drive, you really oughtn’t speculate about parenting until you’ve had the responsibility of raising children.

      And, I don’t care about winning or losing internet arguments.
      My point is made, and that’s the point. ;-)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 2:13 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #18.9   Schlubb

      Save it for the parenting forums, Pops.

      Speculate away, kiddies!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:06 am   rating: 22  small thumbs up

    • #18.10   hygenic

      Oh geesh, not THIS argument again.

      Having kids makes you no more a parent than having a piano makes you a musician.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 7:48 am   rating: 41  small thumbs up

    • #18.11   Canthz_B bang

      Pops? Your mom said she’d keep that a secret! 8-)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:00 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #18.12   anglophile bang

      I think my dictionary may be broken.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:03 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #18.13   gretcheepoo

      hygenic… I think I love you!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:14 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #18.14   ohreally

      I often keep responding to arguments I don’t care about winning or losing.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:04 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #18.15   hmmm

      yeah CB, it’s pretty clear you DO care, or you wouldn’t keep trying so hard to get the last word in…have some dignity, that teenager is more well spoken than you are, accept it and move on :)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:12 pm   rating: 30  small thumbs up

    • #18.16   Gandalf

      Having kids does not make you a parent, it only means that you have fulfilled your biological imperative of passing on your genetic material for the next generation.

      Raising kids makes you a parent! Any idiot can have kids ( and sadly, many of them do). But actually putting in the time and effort to raise your kids, and teach them, is the hard part. It is also neccessary to set the right example for them as well.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:24 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #18.17   bug

      wise words from the wizard.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 2:59 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #18.18   Geek Goddess

      When I was a teenager, I knew that my children were never going to fuss or scream or have tantrums, or otherwise behave badly in public. I simply wasn’t going to allow it. I was right about one thing; I didn’t allow it, and it stopped as soon as I taught them not to act that way. But hoo boy, in the mean time….

      Feb 17, 2010 at 1:39 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #18.19   Wordtinker doesnt smith bang

      In reference to 18.16 –

      Is it just me, or does it really seem like those who have the least to offer society preocreate the most?

      And I’m totally on team nekkid with this one. naked = you don’t have any clothes on,
      nekkid= you ain’t got no clothes on and you’s up to sumpin’

      Feb 17, 2010 at 8:21 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #18.20   infant tyrone bang

      Did I see y’all at Joe Bob’s Briggs’ Seminar on Suthrn Etymology ?

      Feb 17, 2010 at 8:54 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #19   Molly

    If I see a child without shoes or socks I usually assume that the child took them off, unless the kid is dirty and raggedy, then I assume neglect.

    This is when footie pajamas or tights come in handy ;)

    Feb 15, 2010 at 10:33 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

    • #19.1   Tolling

      Tights on pavement is a nightmare.

      Team Footie PJ’s!

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:21 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #19.2   park rose bang

      If I see a child without shoes or socks, I usually look out for a fox, or at least Mr. Knox. Crafty and sly. You can’t trust either of them.

      *PS: If this comes out in triplicate, please blame wordpress.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:03 am   rating: 17  small thumbs up

    • #19.3   Woman on the Verge bang

      And once again, I love you, rose.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:07 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #20   Canthz_B bang

    Barefoot toddlers outdoors give me the creeps.
    The only thing that creeps me out more is that these are the children of the very same people who don’t clean up after their pets, which happen to relieve themselves on the same lawns their children run barefoot on.

    Farking iceholes.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 10:50 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #20.1   snatchbeast


      Feb 16, 2010 at 2:00 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #20.2   Llama

      yeah, don’t let your kids run around barefoot outside. it’s disgusting. while you’re at it, don’t let them be kids either. seriously, CB, I was agreeing with you at first but then you got carried away…for the sake of your children, stop talking. you’re not the only parent out there with well-behaved kids.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 10:33 am   rating: 29  small thumbs up

    • #20.3   anglophile bang

      I really am having a hard time figuring out what’s so disgusting about being barefoot. I mean, yeah, not in a public restroom, maybe, but really? Your kids can’t run around barefoot in your lawn?

      Maybe it’s just that I’ve gotten out of bed in the morning and stepped in a pile of cat puke one too many times to really be all that freaked out by stepping in things. Unpleasant, yes, but feet are completely washable and it doesn’t kill you to get them a little dirty.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 10:57 am   rating: 48  small thumbs up

    • #20.4   ohreally

      I’m stuck trying to figure out how letting your 18 month old child go barefoot translates to not picking up after your pet. Talk about a leap in logic.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:05 pm   rating: 24  small thumbs up

    • #20.5   Schlubb

      Logic had nothing to do with it.

      A dash of ignorance + a dallop of prejudice + 2 gallons self-righteousness = CB

      Feb 16, 2010 at 3:17 pm   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #20.6   Llama

      Just for the record, when I said don’t let your kids run barefoot, I was being sarcastic. Unfortunately, there isn’t a sarcasm font… :( My mom used to send us outside into summertime rains barefoot, we’d go crazy splashing around in oily puddles. I have fond memories of that and I think I turned out okay (knock-on-wood).

      Feb 16, 2010 at 3:20 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #20.7   anglophile bang

      You can always join the movement, Llama.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 3:45 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #20.8   Canthz_B bang

      Um, no leaps of logic necessary. The people live across the courtyard from me and I’ve seen their dogs crap on the lawns without them picking it up.

      What’s so controversial or mean-spirited about that?

      It’s just a fact. Take it or leave it.

      I never claimed to be a perfect parent, just a good one. Never claimed my children grew up to be perfect or were perfect growing up.
      You people read to much into things, but whatever floats your boats.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:58 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #20.9   ohreally

      Your original post sounds more like a generalization, not a specific situation you’re personally experiencing.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 12:14 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #20.10   Canthz_B bang

      Only if you don’t see that it’s a joke based on experience, like a lot of jokes are.

      It’s based on “what goes around, comes around”.

      But, at base it’s just a joke.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 12:28 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #21   Canthz_B bang

    More parents should let their little ones go barefoot.
    According to the 2000 census, there has been a steep decline in the number of Hillbillies in the U.S.
    Right after we get those dogs callused up, we can shove a stalk of straw between their little developing teeth and size them for a custom made straw hat.
    Nothing but the best, yes?

    Feb 15, 2010 at 11:22 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #21.1   no one likes an asshole

      While I’m sure we all appreciate your pearls of wisdom, don’t you have to take a break from all this commenting to care for your ever-so-well-trained children?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:02 am   rating: 55  small thumbs up

    • #21.2   Canthz_B bang

      Mine are all successful adults. I think they can handle it from here on out.
      My dog is well-trained, my children were well-raised.
      In fact, they were raised to believe that only an asshole thinks that someone is an asshole simply because they may have a differing view from theirs.
      But thanks for your concern. :-)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:05 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #21.3   Q

      Actually, going barefoot IS good for children, and people in general, as it allows for certain foot muscles to be better developed to allow for better balance. Wearing shoes often pads the foot, altering how we walk, run, and land on our feet, and sometimes they can cause more damage wearing even properly fitting shoes than to just go barefoot.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:18 am   rating: 39  small thumbs up

    • #21.4   chilly

      successful adults? prove it. ;)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:18 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #21.5   Kate

      Careful there Canthz, you might fall off your high horse on the moral high ground.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:56 am   rating: 27  small thumbs up

    • #21.6   ohreally

      So instead of thinking someone’s an asshole for having a different opinion, they’ve been “taught” to lord thei superiority over those with differing opinions, painting them as white trash hillbillies for not agreeing with their chosen ideals? Or was this more of a “do as I say not as I do” kind of teaching?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:07 pm   rating: 27  small thumbs up

    • #21.7   ohreally

      Oops – “their.” (Seriously, where is the edit function?)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:08 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #21.8   Canthz_B bang

      ohreally, the hillbilly comment was a joke. Kinda what we do here most of the time, exaggerate what’s in the note and make a joke out of it.

      I didn’t make any racial references (there are black hillbillies), but if a black guy saying he’s a good father threatens you, you have bigger problems than I can address here.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:05 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #21.9   ohreally

      Wow, and where, ANYWHERE, did I say I am threatened by a black guy saying he’s a good father? Projecting much?

      Feb 17, 2010 at 12:16 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #21.10   Canthz_B bang

      Um, you found your way to “white trash”, not me.
      I never said anything like that, but you got there somehow.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 12:19 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #21.11   Canthz_B bang

      I mean oh really, ohreally, did you not notice the reference to the 2000 census? Do you think I was quoting a fact and that the Census Bureau actually has a definition of, and specific mechanism in place to count “hillbillies”?

      IT’S A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!!

      But the black helicopters are real.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 12:44 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #21.12   Canthz_B bang

      And, really, “lord their superiority”?

      Well, I’m really sorry if I made anyone feel inferior besides you, but that’s something of a personal matter you should look into.

      I don’t think anyone else here feels inferior to me or mine

      I really don’t think myself superior to you or anyone else, and am saddened that you’d allow anyone to make you feel inferior to them.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 2:26 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #21.13   hmmm

      Don’t worry CB, I don’t think anyone feels inferior to someone who has been commenting on the same note for 2 effing days. What a life you (must not) have. BTW, “white trash hillbillies” is a pretty commonly used tongue in cheek phrase, and no, does not mean someone is “threatened” by a black father figure. Sheesh, and you wonder why people think you think too much of yourself…

      Feb 17, 2010 at 12:14 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #21.14   Canthz_B bang

      hmmm, I don’t know how common that phrase may or may not be in your social circle.
      I only know that I’m not in the habit of using racially derogatory terms and don’t like being accused of doing so when I haven’t.

      I also know that if someone accuses someone else of “Lording their superiority” over others, they must be feeling inferior in some way.

      I did point out that I don’t think anyone but that person was feeling that when I wrote “I don’t think anyone else here feels inferior to me or mine…”

      But, if it makes you feel better to try to jump on some perceived bandwagon, hop aboard. You may even have an outside chance of lowering my self-esteem…but don’t bet on it!! :-P

      What? Did I put words in someones mouth?

      Feb 18, 2010 at 2:33 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #21.15   Canthz_B bang

      For the record, I DO think a great deal of myself…everyone should feel that way about themselves. ;-)

      Feb 18, 2010 at 2:48 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #22   Fifi LaRoux

    As someone who now and, as a child, loathed socks and shoes… Okay, yeah, fine. I don’t see the big deal. Keep the socks on, maybe, blah blah blah.

    HOWEVER; what is messed up was the kid I saw at the bus stop earlier this week. It was windy, around 30 degrees (considerably less with the wind chill) and the three-year-old and his little infant sister had on NO HAT. NO GLOVES. Jackets, but no hoods.
    THAT, my friends, is severely screwed up.

    Feb 15, 2010 at 11:26 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #22.1   Canthz_B bang

      I agree. Heat loss is greatest from the head…but the body shuts off circulation from the extremities first.
      That old friend frostbite will hit the feet before the head.
      Not in L.V. of course. If it did and the kid ‘s toes fell off in Vegas they couldn’t be re-attached.

      What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas! ;-)

      Feb 15, 2010 at 11:38 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #22.2   Kate

      Heat loss in not greatest from the head.

      It is no greater than anywhere else in the body if none of our body is covered. The reason people think we loose most of our heat from our heads is that we don’t tend to wear hats any more.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:53 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #22.3   Mark bang

      Kate, I’m pretty sure that heat loss is in fact greatest from the head. There is a great deal of blood flow to the head, and it isn’t shut off / throttled back when it gets cold. Your body tends to prefer to keep the brain supplied with blood at all times, whereas hands and feet are expendable, compared to the head.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 2:18 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #22.4   oh!

      For a great chunk of history it was widely believed that the brain’s sole purpose was cooling the blood and thereby regulating body temp.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 3:22 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #22.5   Canthz_B bang

      Don’t bother, Mark. If I say that water is wet, someone on this tread will dispute it. :roll:

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:10 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #22.6   Canthz_B bang

      thread…I miss the edit feature. Are we going to hold a service for it?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:11 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #22.7   Geek Goddess

      Dry ice, CB, dry ice.

      I rest my case.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 1:43 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #22.8   Erin

      The reason people think heat loss is greatest from the head is because they did a study testing how much heat was lost from a person with their head above water, then below water. Of course you’re going to lose more from the above water test. Water’s an insulator! Someone simply misinterpreted the results, and that’s how that Old Wives’ Tale came to be.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 7:05 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #22.9   HappyNat

    • #22.10   Canthz_B bang

      That’s CO2 not H2O, but I knew I should have specified liquid water.


      Feb 17, 2010 at 7:44 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #22.11   Canthz_B bang

      Must be true, you read it on the internet.
      That’s why people get frostbitten hands and feet before frost bitten brains and hearts…because most heat is lost through the hands and feet.

      It has nothing to do with your circulatory system.

      Lots of flawed science is published, remember “cold fusion”?

      Feb 17, 2010 at 7:56 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #22.12   Canthz_B bang

      The longer you’re alive in a bitter cold environment, the more heat you’ll lose. Over time you’ll stop losing heat from your extremities because your body will concentrate blood flow to the core and brain.
      The cumulative effect is that by the time you freeze to death most of your heat loss will have been from the last organ standing.

      Besides, when did you ever hear of a coroner fixing time of death based upon finger temperature? Clearly fingers get cold faster than livers.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 8:03 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #22.13   anglophile bang

      Please not to be raining on my cold fusion parade, CB. It is possible!

      Feb 17, 2010 at 8:03 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #22.14   HappyNat

      Lots of crappy books are published, but I still read.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 9:00 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #22.15   Mark bang

      @Erin: “Of course you’re going to lose more from the above water test. Water’s an insulator!”

      Um, are you joking? Water’s an insulator (compared to air, I assume)? :lol: I think you might want to read a little about thermodynamics.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 9:53 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

  • #23   anglophile bang

    It’s 64°F in my house right now. I have wool socks and slippers on. It’s fricking cold.

    And I wish these damn kids would get off my lawn.

    *shakes cane at them from her porch*

    Feb 15, 2010 at 11:46 pm   rating: 15  small thumbs up

    • #23.1   park rose bang

      They can’t, ‘glo. They were sent out without their socks and their toes have fallen off.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:46 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #23.2   aaa bang


      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:05 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #23.3   park rose bang

      aaa, the original shit-kicker. Be careful, it’s nasty when it gets inbetween your toes, under your toenails.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:20 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #23.4   aaa bang

      Pfft, I’m too fucking awesome to experience any repercussions for my blatantly antagonistic behavior. I’ll just hide for a couple of days and come back under a new username if shit gets too real. AND THEN THE CYCLE STARTS AGAIN.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:23 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #23.5   park rose bang

      Is that noise you keep making the result of the prunes you ate this morning? We love your blatantly antagonistic behaviour. I was just worried about what might be lurking in the long grass on glo’s lawn. Looking out for your welfare and all, like.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:27 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #23.6   aaa bang

      Feces are a lie. However, I will pretend that I defecate and roll in dog crap on the lawn if it keeps the normals from catching on.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #23.7   anglophile bang

      Don’t make me call the po-lice on you, aaa! Because I will!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:01 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #23.8   ohreally

      They have to stay on your lawn. Their hillbilly parents sent them out with no shoes and there’s years’ worth of dog crap all over their lawn.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:09 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #24   Rob

    Im from Buffalo, NY and 64 Degrees is NOT cold!

    Feb 16, 2010 at 1:01 am   rating: 16  small thumbs up

    • #24.1   Woman on the Verge bang

      Yeah, Rob, I’m from Rochester. We don’t even wear coats until it’s below 20…

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:09 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #24.2   Lulu

      I agree, as a crazy canuck it seems ridiculous to be bundled up for 64 degrees (17.7 C). When I was a kid everyone (children & adults alike) would walk around in t-shirts and shorts once Spring rolled around and we hit +15 C (59 F).

      But most kids learn very quickly ’round here that had, mitts, scarf and proper boots made leaving the house a lot more pleasant.

      When I met my husband, he was not used to cold winter and I had a long funny conversation with him explaining wind chill and why his magic gloves wouldn’t cut it.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 10:59 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #24.3   gretcheepoo

      Lulu, living in Chicago, I thought I knew what cold and wind was. That was until I visited the Saskatchewan in February for business. OH. MY. GOD. You Canadians have my respect in dealing with ridiculously cold weather.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:20 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #24.4   Beanster bang

      ya man. soon as the snow melted me and my little pre-teen friends were out in the back forty trecking in tank tops and shorts… we wore shoes but those quickly got too muddy and off they came. the game was “don’t fall into the semi-frigid slush-water”.

      of course, we were eleven. now we are grown-ups and wear scarves and stuff. because it’s canada. and its cold.

      (i don’t think my mum ever knew we were barefoot so she’s exempt from note-reception, right?)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:00 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #24.5   G

      I’m from Florida and 64 degrees is not cold :) Fahrenheit, even.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 6:27 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #24.6   smalltownblotters

      Agreed. I’m a Florida native of 25 years now living in South Dakota. 64 degrees was not cold before I moved to SD and it certainly isn’t cold now.

      Anybody who’d pitch a PA note-fit about a child being “underdressed” in blissfully-pleasant 64 degree weather needs to get a life.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 10:17 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #25   Katie

    Why the hell would a baby have/need shoes before it can walk? Waste of money and resources.
    And 64? That’s like indoor temperature!

    Lol. I bet my dog is trained better than all your babies! Bwhahaha!

    Who trains babies?

    I hate babies.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 1:46 am   rating: 21  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   my dog was rescuing tykes from drowning back when he was but a wee, blind, 4-wk-old pup

      “I hate babies.”

      I think I love you.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:38 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

  • #26   Nimo

    A mother went shopping and left her infant in the car alone. Socks and shoes are beside the point. Gross, shitty mom.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 2:16 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #26.1   park rose bang

      Where are you getting your information from, Nimo? You know something we don’t?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:04 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #26.2   park rose bang

      Ooh, I am missing the edit function.
      Nimo’s post reminds me of this:

      Mother and son went shopping one day,
      Son promptly cast his footwear away,
      Another mo-duckfuck… said “Quack, Quack, Quack, Quack.
      He’s got no shoes, you sure are crap”

      CIS were called straight away,
      So was jinx, she said bi’s aren’t gay,
      The investigator’s pen went tap, tap, tap, tap
      He’s got no shoes, you sure are crap

      Mother duck thought this wasn’t quite right,
      She turned to the saviour, Jesus Christ,
      He said, Well, my feet were washed by a whore,
      What do you need socks for?

      CIS bowed to a greater power,
      Mo’fo duck looked pretty dour,
      Son curled his toes and said wee-wee-wee,
      And the whole day turned out quite nicely.

      The end. I want to dedicate this nursery rhyme to adam, and to all the little piggies that went to market, stayed at home, had roast beef and had none. Thank you. Thank you very much.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:35 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #26.3   Beanster bang

      * pines for adam *

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:02 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #27   Sam

    If you’re going to have a go at someone’s parenting at least have the guts to do it to their face! But then again if everyone did that we wouldn’t have anything to laugh at then. :D

    Feb 16, 2010 at 4:34 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #27.1   park rose bang

      Ooh, very tenuous, but here’s my opening – well, we all know that tennis racquet strings used to be made of catgut, right? and still is sometimes, and well from cat we can go to kittens. I really think that the submitters need to employ the Mother Goose School of Parenting. When those naughty kittens discarded their mittens, then they got no pie. They found their mittens pretty quick-smart after that, didn’t they? Look, if it worked for a talking cat, I’m sure it could work for a human, and if not, I’m consulting Spock. I’m sure that Spock has a lot to say about socks, and with a Vulcan’s superior objectivity, we’re bound to get a balanced point of view that would leave even Solomon agape in awe and wonder. Just a suggestion. Some way of unraveling this 3 ply argylement we all seem to have got ourselves into.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:52 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #27.2   anglophile bang

      *tries desperately to think of a comment that will take “agape”(wide open) and veer it off into “agape”(Greek for love), realizes the futility of it all and bows to rose as the Tangent Queen*

      Feb 16, 2010 at 7:21 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #27.3   park rose bang

      Well, unless you are all agape, agape (Greek love) can be an uncomfortable and dangerous proposition, one which might rent you asunder. Maybe that was your point. Thanks for the opening ;)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:48 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #27.4   aaa bang

      Spock’s Greek love for Kirk doesn’t need any fucking socks.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:07 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #27.5   Woman on the Verge bang

      My Geek love for Spock and Kirk is all for naked feet.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:11 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #27.6   park rose bang

      I am sure that a rational being like Spock would promote safe sex, or don’t Vulcans have penises? (not really up on Trekky anatomy). Okay, my mad googling skillz to this really reliable site tell me

      The Vulcan male reproductive organs parallel those of most other known humanoid/vulcanoid beings.

      and there is more. Or were you thinking more of the Plato/Platonic ideal rather than the Alexander the Great reality?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:15 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #27.7   aaa bang

      My Geek love for Spock and Kirk is spilling over to my Geek love for Zachary Quinto and my Geek appreciation for Chris Pine. I’m gonna go write a sextastic fanfic shipping ZQ and Captain Fine now. Cuz it’s totally not creepy to do that with real people. And they’re not gonna wear socks or shoes. FUCK YEAH.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:16 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #27.8   aaa bang

      They don’t have STDs in the future. Although they do have male pregnancies.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:18 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #27.9   park rose bang

      Ah, so all that was prophesied in Deliverance came true.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:30 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #27.10   aaa bang

      Kirk totally squealed like a piggy when he got manpregnated by Spock.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:35 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #27.11   infant tyrone bang


      ♥ argylement for a rock-em sock-em verbal smackdown !

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:42 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #28   kts63

    When my 2nd son was a toddler, he could take off boots and socks, no matter what I did, in seconds flat. I tried everything to keep them on. One time, he sent everything flying while we were walking down the street and by the time I noticed, I couldn’t find his one boot. I stuffed my mitt over his sock, pulled down his snow pants and started looking for stores to find a boot substitute. Of all the people who chased me down the street to tell me that my kid didn’t have a boot (there I was pushing his stroller staring right at his feet) the best was the woman who tripped over the HOMELESS GUY in order to snottily tell me. The 2ndbest was the woman who followed me into a store and yelled at me as my hands were obviously holding a pair of boots.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 5:44 am   rating: 41  small thumbs up

    • #28.1   heh

      betcha didn’t try everything….

      how about duct tape??


      Feb 17, 2010 at 1:56 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #29   hygenic

    In the note-writer’s defense… it really isn’t sanitary for the kid to be out in public without socks and shoes.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 7:42 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #29.1   anglophile bang

      Well, unless you plan on eating off you’re toddler’s feet, I don’t see why the kid has to be sanitary all the time. You can wash kids, you know.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:00 am   rating: 38  small thumbs up

    • #29.2   Ten

      It isn’t sanitary to the store in which you happen to be shopping, not to the kid. Do you think stores really adapted a “No shirt, no shoes, no service” policy to protect your feet?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:27 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #29.3   anglophile bang

      I’m sorry. How is a toddler’s bare feet going to make the store any more unsanitary than a toddler’s shoes?

      I’m not trying to argue. I’m really just having difficulty seeing bare feet as somehow more unsanitary than shoes. I don’t see the logic.

      You want to talk unsanitary, let’s talk about the little bugger’s hands.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:36 am   rating: 31  small thumbs up

    • #29.4   park rose bang

      I thought it was to protect our eyesight, Ten. Have you seen People of Walmart? Even with clothes on, I’m not sure that they’re doing much to enhance the sanitation of the store.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 8:43 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #29.5   Canthz_B bang

      I dunno, I just always thought having my children wear shoes helped protect them if they stepped on broken glass or a rusty nail.
      Not perfect protection, but better than none.

      I stand corrected. Obviously I did the wrong things as a parent.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:17 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #29.6   anglophile bang

      Well, that’s safety, which is a completely different rationale (and a quite rational one) for having shoes on than “hygiene”.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:15 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #29.7   Canthz_B bang

      Part of the same rationale if you consider the life cycle of the hookworm ;-) :

      “How do I get a hookworm infection?

      You can become infected by direct contact with contaminated soil, generally through walking barefoot, or accidentally swallowing contaminated soil.”

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:46 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #29.8   Canthz_B bang

      But like I said above, if anyone wants to let their kids go barefoot, it’s no skin off my nose.
      I just didn’t let mine do it and feel I have good reasons not to. Both sanitary and safety concerns factored in. You just don’t walk around urban Essex County NJ barefoot. You could step on a hypodermic needle! :-P

      That’s a far cry from trying to say I’m perfect or that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

      I’m comfortable with my position and they’re comfortable with theirs.

      I really don’t see what the big deal is, but this is the internet, and it’s hard to add tone of voice to comments once people make up their minds that they think they know what you’re saying.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:58 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #29.9   Canthz_B bang

      “A third hookworm of dogs, A. caninum, is just becoming well recognized as a parasite of humans [1-4]. It is a cosmopolitan species, exceedingly common in both tropical and temperate areas, including North America.”

      So, yeah, there just may be a good reason not to let your kids run barefoot where dogs crap.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 12:11 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #29.10   Bethany

      I wash my feet daily.

      I hardly ever wash my shoes.

      I think the store would suffer more sanitarily-speaking by wearing shoes into it than by my bare feet. Though having seen the floors in most of the places I go, I wouldn’t want to be barefoot.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 2:56 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #29.11   hello

      I know I am late on this, but here is a little anecdote: My mother would nearly always make me wear shoes when I was child playing in my own backyard due to this perceived hookworm menace. In fact, I missed out on a lot of great things as a child due to my overprotective and controlling parents. I ended up stripping through my first two years of college. Coincidence?

      Feb 17, 2010 at 3:28 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #29.12   TippingCows

      I was hardly allowed to do shit when I was a kid. I couldn’t play outside barefoot (probably a good thing), couldn’t have friends over, have boyfriends, go to school dances, etc …

      I didn’t strip in college. Or ever.


      Feb 18, 2010 at 1:31 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #29.13   Canthz_B bang

      Ah, the rarely sited shoes-to-slut corollary rears its ugly head! :-P

      Feb 18, 2010 at 1:42 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #29.14   Canthz_B bang

      “cited” :oops:

      Feb 18, 2010 at 1:44 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #30   Gavin

    God, it’s cheap to hit-and-run with PANs at least give an address for them to respond >_< clearly an amateur…

    Feb 16, 2010 at 8:08 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #31   Swiss

    A healthy human baby must wear socks and shoes in sixty degree weather? Congratulations, you’re a control freak.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 8:20 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

  • #32   bonnies

    Man, if that lady went to Michigan, she wouldn’t last 10 minutes.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 8:46 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

  • #33   JMonkey78 bang

    Does anyone else come to the conclusion of “Bat Shit Crazy”…

    Feb 16, 2010 at 8:49 am   rating: 17  small thumbs up

    • #33.1   anglophile bang


      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:00 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #33.2   chilly

      To the note or to this string of comments?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:26 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #33.3   anglophile bang


      Feb 16, 2010 at 10:53 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #34   aaa bang

    a) Uh, didn’t the ‘rents know that you’re supposed to stable the socks and shoes to your kid if they won’t keep them on? Jesus, what the fuck is this world coming to?!?!
    b) How can you leave a note and not bitch at people directly like a real adult? Stop being a lazy ass stranger!!!
    c) Shoes and socks are for pussies.
    d) I just flossed my teeth and found a wad of ick shaped like Jesus.
    e) There is no e.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 9:12 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #34.1   aaa bang

      Staple, not stable. Where’s the edit function?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:13 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #34.2   Bunnee

      aaa, regarding your point (d): Ebay is your friend. There’s bound to be someone who will buy your ick.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:13 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #34.3   aaa bang

      Very true. I’d have to keep it pretty preserved, though. If it got squished in shipping and ended up looking like David Bowie, the poor ratings would hurt my chances of becoming a power seller.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:38 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #35   Woman on the Verge bang

    As a mother, and clearly an authority on all things labeled “parenting”, I have to tell you people something. When you have kids, you absolutely must pick your battles. Some things are worth the fight (no eating worms) and some are not (you must keep your shoes on). I have three boys. BOYS. One could divest himself of boots, socks, hat, mittens, and coat all while strapped into his carseat in about 3 minutes. Keeping your child clothed can be a challenge if they are embracing their inner nudist.

    While I would not allow them to traipse around shoeless in stores, I would sometimes prefer to carry them shoeless in and out rather than return an hour later to find the expensive shoes that they managed to wriggle out of in the store.

    Please, trolls, I know I’m not the parenting authority. Really. Get a grip.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 9:18 am   rating: 44  small thumbs up

    • #35.1   chilly

      Why no eating worms? ;)

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:28 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #35.2   Off_her_rocker

      Thank you.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 9:37 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #35.3   anglophile bang

      Good source of protein, and all that.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 10:01 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #36   Wow

    Wow, some people are getting a little emotional, aren’t they? I have two kids – I never had any issues with the first taking off her shoes and socks. She tried it a couple times, I told her no, and voila, no more problems. Wasn’t I just the perfect parent?

    Then my son came along, and the socks and shoes are off all the time. If he takes them off in the car, and it’s 64 degrees, I probably won’t bother putting them back on, especially if we won’t be outside for longer than a walk into a building. Now if it’s 20 degrees the shoes are going back on.

    Of course, I’m a bad parent because my one year old is in diapers, and I (gasp!) actually carry him instead of letting him crawl through the parking lot. I know, I know, better call child services on me!

    Pick your battles people! Every kid is different so what works for one kid won’t work for every other kid.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 10:18 am   rating: 34  small thumbs up

  • #37   Laura

    There’s nothing more vicious and cruel than a group of judgmental moms undermining one another. We truly are our own worst enemy. It’s too bad more women can’t rise above this undermining behavior and support one another – we’re all in it together, y’know?

    Feb 16, 2010 at 11:09 am   rating: 29  small thumbs up

    • #37.1   aaa bang

      Pfft, everyone else is my own worst enemy. Women were all ready to support me until they found out I had what could easily pass for a penis. That and the penises in jars I’ve collected over the years. But that’s not really relevant.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:08 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #37.2   Lori

      WORD, Laura. Honestly, I never understand why parents (and it’s usually moms that I’ve seen doing this) feel the need to get all judgy and bitchy with one another, even over something as simple as a young child taking off their socks in public in mild weather. Parenting is enough of a challenge without adding that kind of crap to it.

      My son is 21 months old and can remove his socks in about 2 seconds flat. When I’m in a store, he’s in the seat of the cart (which I’ve cleaned with wipes first, because yes, those things can be really nasty), so I’m not too concerned about his bare feet. It’s not an important issue to me, and it makes him happy, so I’m not going to go all authoritarian on him and insist that he is clad in socks at all times and turn it into an unnecessary exercise in frustration. As others have already said, parents need to choose their battles. And they shouldn’t involve battling one another over the little things.

      Is your child well-fed? Healthy most of the time? Loved? Being taught to love and respect others? Then you’re doing a great job.

      And by the way, I used to run around barefoot all the time when I was a kid, and never stepped on a hypodermic needle, picked up ringworm, etc.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 5:58 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

  • #38   Chris

    Although I wouldn’t leave a note, what the hell is wrong with this mother justifying having the kid barefoot in 64 degrees? First of all 64 degrees to a child used to 90 is freakin’ cold. Second of all, she obviously LEFT the car with the kid barefoot so even if she didn’t leave the house that way, put the damn socks back on before you take the baby out of the car. Obviously mom didn’t bother.

    I agree, she’s lazy and now wants to whine to justify her laziness. Nope..she didn’t put them back on before she took the kid out of the car seat (I hope he WAS in a car seat) and now she’s working on justification. Didn’t work with all of us. Keep your kids feet covered.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 11:09 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #38.1   Connie

      I’ve lived in the cold part of the country since I was in a car seat, myself, so I’ve kind of forgotten. Does the temperature when frostbite sets in change depending on geographic location?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 2:30 pm   rating: 17  small thumbs up

    • #38.2   Erin

      Right, because no socks OBVIOUSLY means this is a neglectful parent who refuses to buy or use a car seat.

      Welcome to Conclusions. Did you enjoy your leap?

      Feb 17, 2010 at 7:15 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #38.3   Aubrey

      Chris, it isn’t USUALLY 90 degree here. And l’ve never heard of a store or home or any other residence being cold enough for frostbite. If she was literally going 100 feet to get into the store, office, etc then what does it really matter? It is currently 52 degree in vegas and I am wearing flip flops. And I have been wearing flip flops since a wee age in this beautiful vegas weather and still haven’t gotten frost bite.

      Mar 8, 2010 at 2:36 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #39   tilywinn bang

    So Kathy did get married to Alex after all? I heard she got cold feet.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 11:10 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #39.1   tilywinn bang

      Oh and for the record I’m team take-a-chill-pill. Don’t be so hasty to judge the parenting; I’m sure the kid will turn out fine.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:11 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

  • #40   brie

    How can anyone take a note where “lazy ass” isn’t properly hyphenated?

    Feb 16, 2010 at 11:12 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #40.1   brie

      OOPS! I mean

      How can anyone take a note seriously where “lazy ass” isn’t properly hyphenated?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:12 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #40.2   park rose bang

      I don’t know about that. I think a bullet shot from a single-barreled shotgun can be as fatal as one fired from a double, if it reaches its target.

      How might lazy-ass be improperly hyphenated?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 11:21 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #40.3   sleeps

      La-Z-Ass. Little known fact, that was the original idea for the La-Z-Boy brand name. Didn’t fly.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 12:31 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

  • #41   thursday

    I am so glad I saw this before I had children. Now I am prepared to dress them with super glue and/or duct tape.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 11:46 am   rating: 19  small thumbs up

    • #41.1   ohreally

      And the second they take their first step, you better ditch that stroller!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:15 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #41.2   anglophile bang

      Well you might as well, because all they ever want to do is push the thing as soon as they can walk.

      And damn it, I’m sick of bleeding ankles from getting crashed into by some kid pushing a stroller.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:33 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #41.3   Canthz_B bang

      Damn, ohreally, you’ve really decided that I’m some sort of irrational Nazi parent, haven’t you?

      Your absolute absolutism is a marvel to behold, but let’s try using a little common sense, shall we?
      No, the first step does not mean that a child is a master walker.

      I believe that children who have become proficient at the art of walking should walk.
      You are free to disagree, but our method of raising our children worked for us.
      I never said it’s the only method that works, just that it worked for our children.
      What really amazes me is the number of people who took it personally.
      I wonder what Freud would say about that?
      I never said anyone was an incompetent parent (except in my jokes, which weren’t gigglebraxes for the most part), but very many took it that way.
      Raise your kids the way you want to, I just said how I raised mine…nothing more.

      I’m a strong supporter of public schools for example, but mine were home schooled because their local public schools didn’t meet our standards. Doesn’t mean that public schools everywhere can’t.

      Try not to be so black and white on things…there’s a lot of gray area to consider before you make judgments about people you don’t know from Adam.

      Overall, I was pretty polite, and apologized when I went overboard.
      You almost act as if I’m not entitled to my opinion and should forget my experiences raising my now 32, 25, 24 and 22 year-olds.

      Honestly, I’m not trying to dictate, just relate. Take from it what you will.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 1:59 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #41.4   aaaaaaa

      Relax. Chill. Take a break.

      Essay responses, self-righteous complaints to everyone and constant claims of your superior experiences are the reason why you sound like a Nazi parent

      Feb 17, 2010 at 5:52 am   rating: 21  small thumbs up

  • #42   KelBel

    As an import to the SW from the midwest, they have absolutely no sense of the proper temperature to justify putting on extra clothes. It’s currently 70 degrees in tempe and I guarantee you I will see someone in a scarf and coat on in the next ten minutes because it is “not summer.” This mom should get a medal for not raising her kid to be a regular SW person who can only handle temperatures above 85.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 12:21 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #42.1   Bethany

      The first year that I spent in central California, I was wandering around in jeans and t-shirts, maybe a light jacket in upper-40° weather. People on buses had on heavy winter coats, gloves, and scarves. Considering I’m the kind that’s “cold” if it’s less than 70° outside, I thought it was pretty funny.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 3:18 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #42.2   Aubrey

      Hey, hey there. Next time its 120 degrees out and your sweating like a little piglet, I’ll remind you that maybe you should have conditioned yourself more to that cooler weather.

      Mar 8, 2010 at 2:42 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #43   matty-wat

    I’m surprised that the note writer didn’t approach the mom and tell her in person. Usually those buttinsky types have no problem telling you what they think you are doing wrong to your face.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #44   Angela

    They really should start giving out PhD’s for stating the obvious.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 12:30 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #45   CDjr

    Who asks questions with exclamation marks!!

    Feb 16, 2010 at 12:42 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #46   Keelhaulrose

    I work with toddlers, and our room is usually a graveyard of discarded shoes and socks. The biggest challenge is making sure we put the right socks on the right kid. When my daughter was 18 months I got so sick of her taking off her shoes and socks at the zoo I went to the car, got the duct tape, and taped her shoes to her pants. That just meant she had to pull her pants off, too.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 pm   rating: 21  small thumbs up

  • #47   sam

    oh my god, why do people care so much if a baby has on shoes or socks? maybe if he/she is out in the arctic or walking in snow or something, but i think it’s perfectly fine if they’re being carried and it’s obvious that they are well-cared for.

    i never wore shoes or socks as a toddler; i never wore shoes while running around in the woods behind my house when i was a child (idk how i managed that, to be honest); i would always take my high heels off at dances or when i was walking home in college (gross, i know); and when i go snowboarding in 20-30 degree weather, i wear a short-sleeved shirt under my jacket and goggles – no hat, no scarf, no earmuffs. and i’m perfectly fine.

    people are so self-righteous it’s unreal. use your anger for REAL tragedies in the world.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 1:24 pm   rating: 18  small thumbs up

    • #47.1   G

      Why gross?

      Feb 16, 2010 at 6:34 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #48   jessica

    It sort of seems like the main issue with this article is this:
    Was the child walking or being carried/in a cart?

    64 degrees is not going to give a kid frostbite, no matter what they are used to.

    If they are barefoot in public, i have more of an issue with it, just in case they have a cut or something on their foot and some nasty public bacteria gets in it. You never know.

    i agree with the above posters who talk about picking their battles. i have two kids who are generally well-behaved (3 years and 1.5 years) and if you HAVE to go out and get something, and they’re taking off all their clothes and you can manage to keep shirt/pants on them, it’s not worth fighting over socks and shoes if they’re not going to be walking.

    But like i said, at least for me, the issue is whether or not the kid were barefoot. If there were broken glass on the ground or whatever, that would be one SAD kid getting a tetanus shot.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 1:27 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #48.1   G

      Nooo, I think the main issue here is some snoopy jerk sticking his/her nose into someone else’s life, and pretending they have a right to do so.

      It doesn’t *matter* whether the kid was walking, being carried, or flying. The mom is the responsible party; let her make decisions for her own kid.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 6:37 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

  • #49   oi bang

    Screaming toddlers are the open and shut case of failure on the parents’ part. If you don’t know how to shut up your wailing banshees in flights and public places probably you should steer clear from contributing gene pool. kids don’t better but parents? parents should gag their loudspeaker mouths.
    there. I said it on behalf of the half the commenters and a note writer.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 1:48 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #49.1   oi bang

      don’t know better.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 1:49 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #49.2   Erin

      Screaming toddlers are at the developmental stage of starting to learn to express themselves. If they cannot communicate effectively in English/Spanish/Klingon/whatever, they get frustrated. Thus, the screaming. The best you can do at that point is try to calm them down and figure out what they want. Every child screams, it’s a matter of whether the parent responds to that in a timely and loving manner, or just yells back at them (and possibly even responds with physical punishment, which I have seen).

      You can’t tell me you never wanted to scream at the sky when you’ve gotten frustrated as an adult.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 7:22 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #49.3   Kore

      You think we should gag our children?

      I’m really, really getting tired of the anti-child sentiment that is so common in America. Children are people too. They have rights too. For you to advocate child abuse (take your paragraph above and replace and “kid” with “puppy” and see how you feel about it) makes you a sour son of a bitch. With your violent tendencies, you’re the one who doesn’t belong in public.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 7:30 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #49.4   anglophile bang

      It’s this complete lack of humor and the way you go on about the Sooper Serious Business of raising your children that create this anti-child sentiment you know.

      It. was. a. joke.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 7:59 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #49.5   Canthz_B bang

      I’d never gag someones screaming banshee child. Bullets work much better! :-P

      Feb 17, 2010 at 8:28 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #49.6   oi bang

      wow! you guys are so ready to be offended that you can’t recognize in- your face sarcasm? gagging kids really?
      Actually that’s what I was hoping for and was certain that everybody would see through my obvious trolling. but I am dancing right now.
      Hey glo. Thanks!

      Feb 17, 2010 at 10:29 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #49.7   oi bang

      oh and I am anti-PETA and I had a puppy and for the breakfast, kore. :P

      Feb 17, 2010 at 10:31 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #49.8   Bethany

      49.2 – At my niece’s first birthday, one of my brother’s friends was there with his 2y.o. son. It was getting toward 5:30p, the kid was tired, hungry, and bored (he was the only boy child there) and was having a fit. The father’s response was to tell him to knock it off or be put in time out and apologize that the kid was being a brat.

      I so badly wanted to slap the father upside the head. I get as annoyed as anybody by a screaming child, but moreso by the fact that the parents are attending to their own needs (shopping, dinner out, socializing) instead of figuring out what the problem with the kid is than I am by the actual screaming child.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 4:31 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #49.9   nil zed

      agree with your last paragraph

      As the mom of a toddler (who has no interest in taking off his foot wear, obviously I’m a fantastic parent!) I really wonder why so many parents set their children up to mis-behave as that dad was. Here, kid, let’s skip your nap, hang out with grown ups and other kids you don’t know, and dinner will be late. Now behave. It might work with an older child, but certainly not a 2 year old.

      As a native Floridian, whose spent some years in colder climes, I vote 64 degrees is warm enough for shoeless feet on a child who isn’t walking around.

      Feb 18, 2010 at 2:01 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #49.10   PennyDwyre

      My favorite is “Stop crying, or I’ll give you something to cry about!”

      I am so glad my kid got my mellow attitude. Now I don’t have to be like my mom.

      Feb 18, 2010 at 2:34 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #49.11   Canthz_B bang

      OMG! I caught myself parroting that very same line once!
      My mom was good at giving us something to cry about…even though I was always pretty sure I was already crying about something! ROTFL

      Feb 18, 2010 at 2:51 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #50   ERICH ELSTER

    64 is really too cold for a baby to be out without at least socks. if the baby kept pulling them off they should have put him in a footie pj or pants with footies. i’ve got to agree with the p.a. person, you’re a lazy ass mom. i have one child, she’ll be 18 years old this month

    Feb 16, 2010 at 3:49 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #50.1   Rebelcat

      Sheesh, 64 F is almost 18 C.

      Up where I live we call that good summer swimming weather. The kids get into their bathing suits and jump into the local – outdoor and unheated! – city pool. And the toddlers run around the park, soaking in the sun, in nothing but their swim diapers.

      Even our children’s school won’t make them put on sweaters until the temperature has dropped to 10 F (-12 C).

      I feel sorry for any baby stuck sweltering in a footie pj at 64 C!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:13 pm   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #50.2   Rebelcat

      Arrgh… That should be 10 C converted to 50 F – not minus 12!

      - 12 C is what we’ve got right now and it’s definitely too cold to go outside without a coat.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:16 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #50.3   Rebelcat

      Errata number 2 – that last line should read 64 F, not C. Otherwise I guess that baby would be pretty well roasted.

      All you Americans should just convert to a civilized way of measuring temperature. It’d be a lot easier all around.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:18 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #50.4   Mark bang

      My car gets forty rods to the hogshead, and that’s the way I likes it!

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:20 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

    • #50.5   anglophile bang

      These damn metricists. You give them an inch and they take a furlong.

      Feb 16, 2010 at 4:33 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

  • #51   Heather

    That is just ridiculous!!! I live in North Dakota, she doesn’t know what winter is!!! ha ha!! I have a 20 month old and know exactly what everyone’s saying about keeping there shoes on, thankfully mine keeps them on most of the time but as soon as those shoes come off so do the socks. Your doing a good job, goodness when its 64 here it feels like summer for all of us, I would probably be wearing shorts.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 9:27 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #52   kathy THE MOTHER

    I’m the Mom.. the Kathy who did this and I’d like to clear a few things up. First of all the baby was not walking. Are you kidding me? Who lets an 18-month old walk through the parking lot or grocery store. Second of all, who thinks 64-degrees is cold? His feet weren’t cold, we were running into the store for 5-minutes. If I put the socks and shoes on they end of scattered around the store and I lose them. I’m not an idiot. I’m not raking my kid to the park without shoes. I have two kids and I work from home so I can be with them and teach them to be wonderful people. If he doesn’t wear socks into a store while I’m carrying him it’s the least of our problems in the world.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 11:06 pm   rating: 36  small thumbs up

    • #52.1   Canthz_B bang

      “Are you kidding me? Who lets an 18-month old walk through the parking lot or grocery store.” (?)

      People who take the time to pay attention to where their children are…even hold their hands. People whose children listen to them when they say “Come here”, or “Don’t do that.”
      In short, people whose children behave in public.

      Feb 21, 2010 at 5:09 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #52.2   Aubrey

      Now I haven’t read your comments before, but Cathy I think this is what others were saying when they meant you were being a little self-righteous.

      Mar 8, 2010 at 2:52 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

  • #53   Kathleen Kaufman

    Anyone who would leave this note obviously has NO experience with toddlers. They don’t care about the cold, they pull their socks off anyway.

    The only time I choose to fight this battle and make my two year old wear his socks and shoes is when he’s going to be walking – I wouldn’t fight it on a grocery store run.

    And 64 degrees is not cold, especially to a kid.

    Feb 16, 2010 at 11:32 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #53.1   Chris

      Wrong. 64 degrees in LV or in Florida is DAMN cold to a kid. That is why you see children bundled up by RESPONSIBLE parents in those parts of the country when tourists have their kids in shorts. It is because they get acclimated to the warmer weather and feel the chill more acutely.

      Feb 17, 2010 at 5:53 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #53.2   Aubrey

      Wrong chris. Its 52 degrees now and I’m in shorts and a long sleeve T shirt. I’ve lived here all my life and can speak accurately to the fact that we (children and adults) can handle 67 degree weather just fine.

      Mar 8, 2010 at 2:54 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #54   aaaaaaa

    C_B is really on a one-person crusade today. Parenting only works if you do it HER way and have babies running marathons at 10 months!
    No shoes? Parents are LAZY

    Feb 17, 2010 at 5:47 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #54.1   anglophile bang

      Nice trolling, aaaaaaa. The One-Person Crusade was yesterday. Today we are talking about Toast. I suggest you read a new-to-you site a bit before jumping in to comment on the other commenters, just to get a feel for the place. Once you become more familiar with PAN, you will discover things like CB is not a she, and when there’s a fresher note on the table, not many people really hear your attempts to start a knife fight over the scraps of the old one. Maybe your timing will be better on a future note. Hope this helps!

      Feb 17, 2010 at 6:17 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #55   Canthz_B bang

    Maybe you decided not to read this, r just to be a jackass and act like I never wrote it, but here it is again:

    You are free to disagree, but our method of raising our children worked for us.
    I never said it’s the only method that works, just that it worked for our children.

    Feb 17, 2010 at 8:12 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #56   April

    So if it’s such a big deal for a toddler who as the mother said was not walking to not have socks or shoes, then why is it so acceptable for everyone else to run around in sandles without socks *gasp* . As for Canthz B are you telling me that even in summer your children were not allowed to wear sandles? Cause if they were that means that they could of still gotten those nasty little worms. I am not putting down your parenting, but I’m also not going to take away the fun experiences of mud squishing between their toes, feeling the grass under their feet and all the other great things to do while barefooted.

    Feb 17, 2010 at 8:39 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #56.1   Canthz_B bang

      Honestly, no. My children did not wear sandals. Neither did I or my ex-wife.
      Flip-flops either.
      It has nothing to do with being allowed. Sandals were just not a footwear of choice for them.

      I suppose a lot of it has to do with where you happen to live though. Sandals not being a prevalent fashion choice in the inner city, my children usually wore sneakers, but we always made sure to get brands with good arch support.
      They really liked the ones with Disney themes…I remember they had Little Mermaid and Aladdin kicks, and also liked the sneakers with the lights in the heels.

      Not saying my kids were never “barefooted” outdoors, just not as a matter of course. There are appropriate places for that, and there are inappropriate places for it.

      But as If said several times, seemingly to no avail, do what you want with your kids. How is that supposed to affect me?

      Feb 18, 2010 at 12:38 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #56.2   TippingCows

      When I lived in Florida, everyone wore sandals.

      In the suburbs of Boston, you never wore them. Ok, maybe when you went to the beach. Once or twice a year. Then you got those cheap flip-flops from CVS.

      Our kids don’t have sandals because our environment and their activities call for other shoes. Of course, we also don’t believe our children should have a shoe of every kind, for every outfit, for every occasion.

      Feb 18, 2010 at 2:10 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #56.3   Canthz_B bang

      TippingCows, I’ve relocated to Arizona from New Jersey.
      Barefoot children are common here, not so in urban parts of NJ, so I’m seeing this for the first time and it freaks me the heck out..
      I’ve see at least four, maybe as many as six, instances wherein screaming barefoot chldren run home having cut their feet steping on some sharp object or other.

      Maybe it’s just me, but I just don’t see why anyone would send their kids outside barefoot given all the crap people discard onto the ground.
      It’s just nasty and “trifling” to allow our kids to walk in snot spit, bird shit, dog shit, dog piss, mouse shit, et. al. small animal shit, then wipe the “dust” off the bottom of their feet and a few minutes later place hand to mouth, nose or eyes.
      We don’t wipe “dust” off of the soles of our shoes, but while barefoot, we often swipe the soles of our feet.

      I could just be a bit anal retentive though…go figure. :-)

      Feb 18, 2010 at 7:40 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #56.4   April

      I guess I just don’t see the big deal of being barefooted. It must be that I am from family that as soon as the tempeture is above 10 degrees celcius (50 farenheit) nobody is in shoes, we are all wearing sandles. In the city, in the country, snow on the ground we don’t care. If we are at our cabin you won’t find a single person in shoes or sandles unless they are going for a quad ride. Yeah our feet are black from the dirt by the time we get home, but amazingly they wash off (who knew?). It must be the Canadian in the blood.

      Feb 18, 2010 at 9:01 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

  • #57   GuavaJoe

    I was just at a tourist spot in Florida (near Tampa), where admittedly it has been a little chilly the past week, and a woman shouted at me across the road to put a coat on because it was cold.

    I need a giant sign that says ‘YOU’RE NOT MY MOM’ – can anyone help me out? This would work great I think except on my mom.

    Feb 17, 2010 at 11:18 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #58   Lauren

    Just a little shout out to the person who was complaining about the anti-kid sentiment?

    Actually, no. It’s not anti-kid. In general, people are at the very least AMBIVALENT about kids.

    It’s the whiny adults who bitch and moan that people aren’t treating their speshul snowflakes right!!!!omG!

    This is usually followed by the adult refusing to control their wailing two-year old because little poopsiekins is so cute, and they really just can’t be bothered….

    Sorry about that. Lol.

    Feb 17, 2010 at 8:16 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #59   Janey

    My nephew spent some of his earlier months without shoes and socks in the backyard because it was summer. There was no need for them.

    And then it became winter and the temperatures were far below zero — definitely shoe weather. He would throw a tantrum anytime you tried to put shoes or socks on his feet.

    Finally, his parents were able to get through to him that if he wanted to go outside, then the shoes and socks must be on. And trust me, this kid loves the outside. Now he’s about as patient as a 2-year-old can be while they are put on his feet. But the instant he’s inside those things are off!

    Feb 18, 2010 at 12:21 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #60   Jenny


    My children learned to walk barefoot, inside and outside, as per the recommendation of our pediatrician. They had the chance to develop the muscles in their feet, as children have been doing since children have EXISTED.

    Yes, there are places where broken glass, dog feces, etc. are on the ground. Yes, we lived in a major city. No, they didn’t walk barefoot (or at all) where there were hazards. Toddlers, after all, pick up and mouth interesting objects pretty readily. If the only place your child has to walk outside is a Superfund site, I can understand being hardcore about the shoes, I guess.

    Feb 21, 2010 at 3:59 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #60.1   Canthz_B bang

      Barefoot? You Earthers are a strange species.
      Our children are born with shoes and have never experienced barefootedness.:lol:

      Feb 21, 2010 at 4:53 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #60.2   Canthz_B bang

      And just for the fun of it:

      “The toes of East Asia’s oldest modern human show that our ancestors first began wearing shoes around 40,000 years ago, about the same time they developed more sophisticated toolkits and began creating elaborate art. Erik Trinkaus, an anthropologist at Washington University in St. Louis, came to that conclusion after studying toe bones of the 42,000-year-old skeleton dubbed Tianyuan 1. Of indeterminate sex, the skeleton was discovered in a cave on the grounds of the Tianyuan Tree Farm, four miles southwest of the site of Zhoukoudian, where the so-called Peking Man fossils were discovered in the 1920s. “ ;-)

      Feb 21, 2010 at 6:15 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #60.3   Canthz_B bang

      “Trinkaus found that Tianyuan 1 had robust leg bones but that the toes were considerably more gracile, or slimmer, than those of earlier humans–who went without shoes for millions of years and had thick toes. When one walks barefoot, the middle toes curl into the ground to give traction during push off. But when wearing a shoe, a person pushes off with the big toe, placing less stress on the middle toes, resulting in less-developed toe bones. Trinkaus notes that the gracility of the toes is an individual pattern that develops during childhood. Tianyuan 1, it seems, had worn baby shoes.”

      Feb 21, 2010 at 6:20 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #60.4   Canthz_B bang

      So simple, a caveman can do it! ROTFL

      Feb 21, 2010 at 6:23 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #61   NoAdditives

    It’s really not that hard to keep your kid in shoes and socks. We don’t wear shoes in the house and my 16 month old daughter knows this, so she generally takes her shoes (and occasionally socks too) off in the car. But as soon as we get to our destination I put her shoes back on and she never has a problem with that. She knows that if she keeps her shoes on she might get to walk around herself instead of being confined to the shopping cart or stroller.

    It’s not that difficult to teach infants and toddlers the rules. Establishing some discipline and boundaries early on works and is highly beneficial for both parents and children.

    Mar 1, 2010 at 5:34 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #62   Renee

    I know this is a relatively old note, but I wanted to give everyone the perspective of someone who grew up in warm weather climates (SoCal, TX) and who spent as many hours as possible barefoot while doing so. The result? I got worms, likely from playing barefoot in the creek behind my house. My feet developed some impressive callouses in the summer from running down the sidewalks and across the asphalt (which melts in the Texas heat). Also jumped barefoot onto a glass bottle once, shattering the bottle and leaving me with an impressive scar.

    So, as someone who survived childhood RIDDLED WITH WORMS, BLOOD, AND BARE FEET, let me tell you, I wouldn’t have changed it for the world. I’m terribly happy I was able to be a kid. Scars and all. I’m now 35 and pamper my feet with regular pedicures and fabulous shoes. But my 21 month old? I hope she continues to run around as freely as I did.

    Mar 2, 2010 at 3:32 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #63   Uly

    Of course, that assumes you think keeping shoes and socks on is a priority. Which you are.

    If you think that keeping shoes and socks on is at about the same level as making sure they don’t wear spots with stripes, well, why would you bother?

    Mar 10, 2010 at 12:07 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up


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