Civil diso-brattiness

November 28th, 2010 · 124 comments

“My boyfriend, Alex, lives in a high-rise apartment building occupied by college/university students — people you’d think would have some intelligence,” says Meghan in Hamilton, Ontario.

Of course, a little learning is a dangerous thing. In Alex’s building, this seemingly civil request from one of the building’s residents garnered the following indignant response.

Please smoke on the balcony.  Everyone's apartment smells of cigarettes because someone is chain-smoking all day long. Please be considerate of your neighbours.

No I won't!  What next? Don't cook Currie or fish Don't use smelly cleaners Don't perk coffee Don't bring food into building. I can smell it Don't drink, you stink up elevators Don't take shoes off, smelly feet Don't fart or burp, I can hear it and smell it.  Move to a smoke free hotel room.

But Meghan says her favorite thing about this exchange is the placement — right next that big ol’ city-mandated “no smoking” sign.

NO SMOKING: City of Hamilton By-law 80-258 Maximum Fine $5000

related: Cigarettes & energy drinks

FILED UNDER: Canada · neighbors · odor · Ontario · questionable logic · rebuttals · smoking


124 responses so far ↓

  • #1   Walker, "Tex" (a stranger) bang

    In case of fire,

    NO I WON’T !
    leave the fire area immediately,
    pull the fire alarm,
    notify others,
    leave the building
    or call the Hamilton Fire Dept. 911

    And I certainly will not Remain Calm!

    Nov 28, 2010 at 3:01 pm   rating: 40  small thumbs up

     
  • #2   Louisa

    Love how the writer took time in the frantic rant to incorrectly edit the response. “Oh yes, hotel has a capital…”

    Nov 28, 2010 at 3:07 pm   rating: 15  small thumbs up

     
  • #3   KST

    I would have just turned his ass in.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 3:16 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   April

      That is how I feel about it too. If smoking is banned in the building I have zero tolerance for people doing so. Actually smoking even on the balconies might be prohibited. Some buildings are smoke free period meaning you cannot smoke within so many feet of the building and that would include balconies.

      If you want to smoke, move to a smoking building or buy a house.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 3:44 pm   rating: 59  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.2   Kevin g

      Not to mention how obnoxious it would be to try and enjoy your balcony directly above those smoking below.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 6:40 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.3   Rattus

      Is it a no-smoking building, though? Yes, there is a no-smoking sign, but that may just apply to the lobby or wherever all this squabbling has been posted. It may be perfectly legal to smoke in one’s own apartment, in which case the riled up responder has a point of sorts.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 11:15 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.4   mystic_eye_cda

      Well since the by-law number matches up I’m going to assume it is Hamiton Ontario, and I’m pretty sure it only applies to the common areas:
      http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/99504B67-3198-42F7-9B87-0BADB441DA4D/0/ByLaw02054.pdf

      Its a grey area because tenant protection law doesn’t specifically mention smoking, but if its damaging the unit or interfering with other people’s enjoyment of their units they could theoretically evict.

      http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/co/reho/yogureho/fash/fash_009.cfm
      http://www.toronto.ca/health/smokefree/protection/multidwellingfacts.htm

      Nov 29, 2010 at 11:18 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #4   oi bang

    The claim that everyone’s apartment reeks of cigarettes sounds smoky to me. Unless the high rise is made up of three units.
    The first note with an oddly specific suggestion about where to smoke, obvious exaggeration and social guilt trip is begging for that tasty retort. Not to mention thin veiled anonymity of the offender, sheer ridicule of the note when smoking is not allowed in the first place and resorting to addressing all when only meant to one. I am not a smoker and do not like cigarette smell. Even then I can’t help but validate the second note.
    A simple pointer to do not smoke sign would have done the trick.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 3:28 pm   rating: 19  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   April

      I disagree. The regular no smoking sign was not enough to deter their smoking when it really should have been enough. I would not have bothered with the note. I just would have told the landlord and possibly the cops if it was a violation of smoking laws. I know in my state smoking in all public buildings meaning anything but a private residence is illegal.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 3:47 pm   rating: 37  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.2   oi bang

      Yeah exactly. If it is illegal than warn him about first. If that does not work then turn him in without beating around the bush. If the first note from the City does not bother him then what makes you think that totally ridiculous and encouraging illegal activity will? If you post the ridiculous note you will get ridiculous response.
      I would post the similar response even though I won’t be ever the offender. (I do not smoke) It is a principle thing.
      I am not validating his smoking just his response. Who is the first writer to allow him smoking in the balconies? My guess is that first NW knows who that smoker is and smoker’s apartment is located in such way that smoking in balcony would not bother the first writer. It might bothers other but not him, still he posted this note for the greater good. Hypocrite.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 3:53 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.3   Jasmine

      A sign pointing to the no-smoking sign is just as dumb as the first letter. Obviously the smoker reads the signs on the wall, and obviously s/he does not care. Skip the PA note, turn the smoker in, and everyone wins.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 6:30 pm   rating: 15  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.4   Wrench

      If the ventilation systems are affected, then yeah, I’d buy it — cigarette smoke travels pretty far. And unlike curry and cheese, smoke clings to EVERYTHING.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 5:10 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.5   oi bang

      Pointer as in draw his attention to the no smoking policy as in to build your case. Not a note pointing to the no smoking sign. “If the first note from the City does not bother him then what makes you think that totally ridiculous and encouraging illegal activity will?” See that sentence? Sish people!

      Nov 29, 2010 at 6:09 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.6   CurlyQ

      I agree with Wrench. I live in a building where only one tenant smokes in their apartment–a few units away from mine–and the smell still manages to travel to my unit. It’s even worse if they go out on their balcony, but I think the first LW was just trying to offer some alternative as opposed to telling the offender to stop smoking altogether.

      Dec 1, 2010 at 4:51 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.7   Canthz_B bang

      Well, um, where do they get off “offering an alternative”? Never occurred to them that the neighbor was quite happy in their existing lifestyle?
      We all live in a world populated by other people. Learn to deal with the fact that sometimes what others do will affect you, even when they have a right to do them…or hit outer space and start your own, private world.
      Ever consider that the letter-writer may not be the perfect neighbor either? Maybe a smelly dog. Maybe a loud bird? Maybe a heavy walker? Pain in the ass possibilities abound!

      When you live in close proximity to other people, you have to accept that you aren’t on a farm in the country.

      They need to learn to accept that fact, make that concession, and stop believing that the world owes them something they haven’t paid for.

      Hell, if your smoker is on their balcony, close you window for the 10 minutes it takes them to smoke a cigarette. Very doable, and at least they went outdoors. They made an effort. Try making one as well. Since you have no way of knowing what your smoking neighbor finds offensive, how can you know that anything you may do offends them and they are just accepting enough to not bring it to your attention?
      As you say, smells travel between apartments/units where you live. If you can smell their apartment/unit, they can probably smell yours on occasion as well. Do you think you live scent-free, or have just become accustomed to the scents you surround yourself with?

      A little introspection may be in order for a great many people. Far too many people are talking about how others affect them, far too few are examining how they may affect others.
      Living around others in harmony isn’t all that hard unless you’re a selfish bastard!!
      Intolerant people are usually also inconsiderate people, they just can’t see that, because the concerns of others never factor into their thought processes.

      *rant over, sorry :oops:*

      Dec 1, 2010 at 5:46 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.8   oi bang

      I think I need too explain my beef. I have got beef with the first NW because his assumed authority about the issue where clearly he does not have any. The no smoking sign does not clearly explain if the smoking is only prohibited in the hallways or it is completely non smoking building. It does not matter though. If it is completely non smoking building than he can’t authorize him to smoke in balcony. If it is banned only in hallways and such then too first NW does not have any right to suggest smokers smoke only in balcony. First, Who gave him right to do so? Second smoking in the balcony might not bother him but it might bother to the other neighbors. Selfish much?
      See, If you are political party and propose to ban smoking in each and every building (residential, commercial) I very well vote yes to your proposal. The current law allows smokers to smoke than I am on their side. If the law does not then I am on your side. Basically I am on law’s side. You can’t go bending rules even if you think you are right. I am sure thief has ways to justify his thievery. In this case you are right but rules are the agreed upon system for differentiating right from wrong. You have to follow that. If you have beef with system take it to the system.
      You know what? This is getting way to tangential for this comment. I am going to take this to on my blog. See ya!

      Dec 1, 2010 at 9:45 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #5   bowloftoast bang

    While smoking is forbidden in hallways, elevators, and open areas of apartment buildings in Ontario, there is no law against smoking within the apartments…likely why my entire building smells like weed on a Saturday night (which isn’t necessarily a bad thing).

    The note-writer here is completely off-side. There are plenty of smoke-free buildings, and move they should.

    Team ‘No I won’t’.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 3:44 pm   rating: 31  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   April

      Looks like this might be a smoke free building since they have a giant no smoking sign posted on the wall….

      Nov 28, 2010 at 3:48 pm   rating: 28  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.2   bowloftoast bang

      Nope, those signs are up in all buildings, because you can’t smoke in the lobby or hallway. What’s missing is the sign that says, “This is a smoke-free building”, which most smoke-free, residential buildings have everywhere. If this was a smoke free building, a simple phone call would have put an end to the problem, and the note wouldn’t have been necessary. Since most of the residents are University students, I’d wager that it is actually not a smoke-free building.

      Sounds to me like the notewriter is just a whinging, self-appointed p.c. arsehole, who is both ignorant of the law, and arrogant enough to think that the world should adjust to their desires, as opposed to taking some measure of personal responsibility for their choices. Like the choice to move into a building where smoking is permitted.

      Perhaps they should consider moving back to Mommy and Daddy’s house where, as an only child, this sort of petulance gets results.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 4:58 pm   rating: 34  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.3   BurstingAtTheSeams

      In the city where I live, there are only 3 smoke-free complexes. There are smaller places (four-plexes or duplexes), but high-rises and complexes: 3 total. I don’t understand why they are so hard to find here, since polls show that most non-smokers do not want the smell – not to mention the toxins – associated with in cigarettes in their apartment buildings at all. Maybe it’s easier in Canada to find smoke-free housing though. Sigh. Is everything better up there?

      Nov 29, 2010 at 12:08 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.4   Kat a falling star bang

      Yes. Mostly.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 2:04 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.5   Karnivax

      “…and arrogant enough to think that the world should adjust to their desires, as opposed to taking some measure of personal responsibility for their choices.”

      Incidentally, this description reminds me an awful lot of the smokers who raised hell when our city made all its public buildings smokefree.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 9:34 am   rating: 19  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.6   bowloftoast bang

      Yeah, people tend to get pretty bent out of shape when their freedoms are impinged on, be they smokers or non. Personally, I think religion causes more discomfort, death, and suffering in this world than tobacco, and I think a public ban would be equally appropriate. Unless of course you think that some ‘arrogant’ people might protest having their rights stripped away?

      Nov 29, 2010 at 7:58 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.7   Canthz_B bang

      Karnivax, maybe they were just upset that their world was being adjusted to your desires.
      Free speech and all that stuff.

      But then you would never speak out if a rule or law were made that affected you adversely, right? ;-)

      Nov 29, 2010 at 8:25 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.8   kos

      So, wait, the fact that I want to be able to breathe air that’s not contaminated with all the crap in cigarette smoke makes me a whiner? Sorry, but I feel that my freedom to breathe outweighs someone else’s freedom to smoke. It’s possible non-smoking buildings weren’t an option for NW. Without knowing the whole story, I’m still Team NW.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 11:42 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.9   Canthz_B bang

      Clue:
      You never breathe air that’s not contaminated with something.
      Heck, “air” is 78.09% nitrogen. Try living on that stuff alone and we’ll be at your funeral. Deep-sea dive for a while and come back to the surface too fast, and that’s the stuff that can kill you much faster than any smoker’s cigarettes.
      Yup, you breathe in stuff that can kill you all night and day, all of the days of your life. All kinds of toxins and infectious agents are entering your body through the very necessary act of respiration. They build up in there, and eventually contribute to your inevitable death. Then there are autoimmune diseases which can result in your own body killing you off. Nice, huh?
      In fact, if you start with 100,000 people in each category at age 30, by age 95 light smokers have a higher survival rate than non-smokers…1,320 for non-smokers, 1,366 for light smokers. Only 938 out of 100,000 heavy smokers will make age 95, but can you say statistically insignificant difference?
      Source

      Sucks, huh? Life is a crap-shoot. But, in the end, we all lose to the house. We all get closer to death from the moment of conception. Deal with reality. You’re not going to live forever, so don’t begrudge those who chose to live how they want while they’re here.
      Life, enjoy yours how you’d wish…allow others to do the same, because we all only get one shot at this deal.
      BTW, the above data do not list cause of death. There are lots of ways to go. I’ve already attended funerals for folks my age who never smoked a day in their lives.

      Answer:
      Yes. You are a whiner…and have every right to be. ;-)

      Nov 29, 2010 at 11:47 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.10   Karnivax

      “Personally, I think religion causes more discomfort, death, and suffering in this world than tobacco, and I think a public ban would be equally appropriate.”

      It’s not that I disagree with you, but…proselytizing doesn’t bear quite the same acrid, nauseating, stinkbug-like miasma that tobacco does. Public smoking is on par with public walking-around-without-bathing-first, with a key difference being that those folks can’t get their own lobbyists.

      “Karnivax, maybe they were just upset that their world was being adjusted to your desires.
      Free speech and all that stuff.”

      Smoking sections were the real “adjustment” in the first place. Public smoking was just a tenuous concession to a large demographic with money to burn…Now that there’s substantial proof that smoking bans do NOT, in fact, kill businesses, more and more places are putting up the ban. Sorry smokers, but you should’ve always known the ride wouldn’t last forever!

      “But then you would never speak out if a rule or law were made that affected you adversely, right?”

      Not if it was MY OWN FAULT.

      Nov 30, 2010 at 12:11 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.11   Canthz_B bang

      It’s the other way around, I’m afraid you have your “facts” mixed up.

      Once upon a time, smokers could smoke anywhere at all.
      Smoking sections were not set up to accommodate smokers. They were set up to segregate them to accommodate non-smokers.
      Once, smoking was allowed in every car of a train, for example. Later, separate smoking cars were created. Once, smoking was allowed all over restaurants, for example. Later, separate smoking and non-smoking sections were created. Once, people could smoke in their offices and other places of business. Later, separate smoking rooms, followed by smoking allowed outside only, followed by the “tobacco-free” campuses of today came about.
      All to accommodate non-smokers.
      I’m not saying these changes are bad, just saying you should get your facts straight.
      So forgive the average smoker his or her sense of persecution. The facts speak for themselves, and it’s not their fault you happen to think you will find immortality or even longevity by not smoking and treating perfectly decent people, who happen to enjoy smoking, like lepers. Perfectly healthy-looking people drop dead every day, and accidents happen.
      You may avoid any and all smoking related illnesses, but you’ll die just as dead as anyone else.
      Sure, it may be a slight headache today, but in three you could find yourself dead of viral meningitis. Life’s funny that way, and Death doesn’t play favorites.

      Nov 30, 2010 at 11:29 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.12   Canthz_B bang

      No, Karnivax, you’re not arrogant enough to think that the world should adjust to your desires…you’re just too ignorant to see that it is doing so, and too selfish and bigoted to care.

      Dec 1, 2010 at 12:43 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.13   bowloftoast bang

      Well Karnivax, that was kind of the ironic point I was making, and somehow you managed to turn it a complete 180. If it were your rights being stripped away, on an arbitrary matter that I might support, you may feel equally impinged upon. Trying to regain the moral high ground with smoke and mirrors doesn’t put your argument in a better light.

      My statement to the writer’s ‘arrogance’ was in response to their belief that it was their right to offer direction on what another person should be allowed to do in their own home, and, in light of the fact that there is no law supporting their view, that’s the definition of arrogant (if not pious). And the note in response is appropriate. Where exactly is the line when zealots make determinations of right and wrong that fall outside of the law. Who the f*ck are they?

      The same sort of lunatics who blow up abortion clinics, that’s who. The most dangerous elements of society, that’s who.

      In Ontario, you may not agree with the law, but it’s the law: An established and democratically supported convention on social mores. This is what the public, right now, hold as the agreed line as to the level of the state to enter into people’s private lives, and mandate behaviour in the home. This is Canada, not Texas, and it’s an issue that is a bit bigger than whether smoking is good or bad.

      Again, if it were a neighbour of yours trying to dictate what you should and shouldn’t be allowed to do in your home, I suspect it would probably piss you off as well. That’s the issue in question, and it seems you’ve lost sight of that in the fog of your disdain for the habit.

      As for smoking not hurting businesses, that’s utter bullshit. I happen to have DJ’d for many years in area clubs. I know a very large number of bar owners and restaurateurs who were decimated when smoking was banned in the bars here.

      Most smokers here have adapted, and it’s normalized. Lots of the bars have rebounded and people have become accustomed to (and in many cases prefer) smoking outside. That however, doesn’t change the fact that many lost their businesses over the period of transition. Many, who’d invested tens of thousands to build separate, outside-venting smoking rooms, on a promise of a five year transition, had the rugs snatched out from under them when the change was accelerated by nearly three years. Many people I know personally were wiped out financially.

      If you’re going to be passionate about a subject, at least keep a balanced and tolerant perspective on things, and draw from fact, not opinion.

      Dec 1, 2010 at 1:01 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.14   Canthz_B bang

      Yeah, my favorite little corner bar and grill in New Jersey died about six weeks after smoking was banned in there by the State.
      Most of the customers smoked. The bartenders smoked.
      No one liked going outside for a smoke and returning to find their bar stool taken by another patron.
      No one liked the bartender popping out for a few quick drags either.
      Personally, I found no good reason to pay $3.00 for a beer and not be able to sit and enjoy it along with a cigarette, so I spent $5.00 or so for a six-pack and took myself home.
      I’ve often wondered just what kind of a person goes to a place of vice and complains about the vices of others they encounter there.

      As for non-smoking bartenders, didn’t they know people smoked in bars? Didn’t they see the ashtrays on the bar when they applied for and accepted the job?
      Kinda like buying a home near an airport, then complaining about aircraft noise if you ask me.

      Dec 1, 2010 at 1:14 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #5.15   Aapje

      There is a difference between vices that don’t affect others and those that do. Drinking a few beers is not the same as getting hammered and puking over other patrons. One is accepted behavior in a bar, the other isn’t. Similarly, wearing a nicotine patch or smoking a smokeless cig is not the same as blowing your smoke in the face of others.

      Obviously, people who spend lots of time at bars are likely to have genes that are sensitive to addiction and thus likely to be addicted to nicotine. However, non-smokers visit bars too and would like not to be exposed to high amounts of foul-smelling carcinogens. You have a need that affects others, so IMO you should be considerate to them. Would you accept it if I had the ‘need’ to punch you in the face? Perhaps that is my vice when I visit a bar. Or are some vices not acceptable?

      Dec 1, 2010 at 7:33 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #6   Woman on the Verge bang

    I really want to know exactly where this person is chain smoking to make EVERYONE’s apartment smell of cigarettes. Is this some kind of superhero smoker with the ability to blow smoke through walls? Is the note writer his archnemesis standing by with an asthma inhaler?

    Nov 28, 2010 at 4:18 pm   rating: 21  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   April

      Just a guess but sometimes apartments/dorms will share heating/vent systems so that smoke will travel through the vents into your neighbor’s place. So I can definitely see how chain smoking in that case would bother your neighbors. Or maybe they smoke so much and the place is not well ventilated that when they open the door smoke just pours out into the hallway and into other apartments? I guess those are too options.

      My best friends years ago were some hella smokers. They had about 4 to 5 smokers in one apartment and they smoked a lot. It smelled outside their apartment. It smelled in the apartment. The scent just wafted around them on their clothes. Their porch reaked of it. Smoke just really carries sometimes especially when there is a lot of it.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 6:41 pm   rating: 18  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.2   Woman on the Verge bang

      I like my idea of a superhero smoker better.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 7:29 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.3   T

      What April said. It’s why my apartment smells like smoke sometimes :/

      Nov 29, 2010 at 8:52 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.4   no_need

      When I lived in the university dorms in my first year, the guy in the room next to me smoked a fair bit of weed, and even though we didn’t have a shared ventilation system between the rooms my room still smelled like weed all the time because of him. You could instantly tell if he was home because the smell seeped straight through the walls. So I don’t think this is all that far-fetched – maybe slightly exaggerated, but there’s probably some truth to it.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 11:06 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.5   goose

      He’d probably get on better with his neighbours if he didn’t take the expression ‘blowing smoke up their asses’ so literally…

      Dec 1, 2010 at 12:04 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.6   Kel

      @ no_need: Curious, did your parents buy that excuse when they would come for visits?! Sounded *almost* convincing!
      Team “no_need for weed”!

      Dec 1, 2010 at 1:00 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #7   Na

    I don’t think smokers often realise how foul the smell of cigarettes can be to non-smokers, and how strong the smell can be. And it clings to you a lot longer than other smells (like farts, for example). I once got a second-hand mp3 player and for the entire time I owned it, I couldn’t get rid of the faint smell of smoke that was on it.

    I don’t mind the smell of burning tobacco, cigarettes that people have rolled themselves aren’t too bad. (They still smell but it’s not unpleasant.) It’s the ones you buy in packets from the cornershop and are full of chemicals, those smell absolutely disgusting and I have no idea how any one can stand them.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 4:21 pm   rating: 58  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   Canthz_B bang

      Clearly, you’ve never smelt my ex-wife’s farts!

      She’d fart, and a Hazmat team would show up at our house!!

      What would make you think smokers don’t know what smoke smells like to non-smokers? Do you suppose smokers have been smokers since birth or something, or do you think they were at some point in their lives non-smokers and have smelled it from that standpoint before but gotten some sort of nicotine induced amnesia?

      Do you think that smokers walk around all day full of smoke? That they can’t smell the outside world because they had a cigarette three hours ago?
      Believe it or not, smokers can smell smoke too.
      We can smell pizza, cake, bacon…and even cigarette smoke.

      Goodness! Some of you people don’t have the good sense God gave a grasshopper!

      Nov 28, 2010 at 7:21 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.2   Nahhh bang

      I quit smoking almost seven months ago. The most effective deterrent to my ever smoking again is occasionally passing a current smoker and knowing that I stunk like that for *years.*

      Get a craving? Sniff a smoker.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 1:57 am   rating: 31  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.3   Canthz_B bang

      Question is, what do you smell like now, and how could you know, if you spent years not knowing how you smelled before?
      Maybe you’re just a smelly mother-fucker no matter what you do…we just can’t say.
      You’ve already admitted that you’ve never had a clue how you may smell to others. Why should we assume you smell springtime fresh now? :-P

      Nov 29, 2010 at 2:25 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.4   liddy

      I am a former smoker, and the smell of second hand smoke makes me sick, and it is ten times worse when it is lingering smoke on material (clothes, couches, cloth upholstry in vehicles, etc.)

      Nov 29, 2010 at 9:35 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.5   kos

      I’m a TA and when I grade papers, I can tell which students smoke. Kinda makes me not want to bring their papers home…

      Nov 29, 2010 at 11:44 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.6   Canthz_B bang

      Really? Maybe their roommate smokes. Maybe their significant other. Maybe a parent. Maybe their parrot.
      Maybe they wrote their paper at the bar in a casino. Just grade the papers and stop playing private detective.

      I don’t think there’s much chance a smoker’s paper will contaminate your abode.

      I sure hope you grade impartially.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 11:51 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.7   April

      I had a college professor who gave me back my term paper and it REEKED of pot smoke. REEKED. I gave it to my dad who is a pot smoker himself on occasion as am I and said “Well this is the only paper I have ever got a D through my entire college education. I am going to have to say it was not a fair grade since he was obviously high when he graded it.” My dad just laughed.

      And to clarify: Neither of us had smoked recently so it was not from us and we never smoke it in the house. It was definitely HIS. Of course I knew he was a pot smoker before I took his class but I had no other courses to choose from. My husband used to be good friends with the guy’s daughter and he let her smoke pot when she was in high school with him. So I was not exactly surprised, I just thought you would have enough decency and respect to not smoke pot when you grade people’s term papers for goodness sakes!

      Nov 30, 2010 at 10:17 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.8   Canthz_B bang

      The family that plays together taken just a bit too far.

      Nov 30, 2010 at 10:30 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.9   Nahhh bang

      “You’ve already admitted that you’ve never had a clue how you may smell to others.”

      I admitted no such thing.

      “The most effective deterrent to my ever smoking again is occasionally passing a current smoker and knowing that I stunk like that for *years.*”

      I knew I stunk when I smoked, but I didn’t care, because I am an addict and needed my nicotine more than I needed to smell like a human being instead of a dirty fireplace.

      Good reading comprehension ftw.

      Dec 1, 2010 at 1:37 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.10   Canthz_B bang

      It was just a joke…chill (see the :-P up there?). Just like I’m assuming you didn’t mean to imply that all smokers smell bad, just making light of those who do.
      I’m sure you smell just fine. ;-)

      Dec 1, 2010 at 2:01 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #8   Danielle

    We used to live in a condo and a neighbour, about 3 units away used to smoke inside and we could smell it in our living room all the time. The smell was in our furniture and clothes.

    We obviously didn’t know this was a issue when we bought it and moving wasn’t an option. We just had to live with someone’s second hand smoke.

    When you live in a space shared by others you need to be respectful of the people around you. Especially if it can something that can be harmful to their health.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 5:54 pm   rating: 28  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   Serenity

      Where I live, most people who smoke, smoke outside in the courtyard. I like to have my door open most of the time, so if it’s coming into my apt., I get up and shut the door for a few minutes. It’s a little annoying, but since I’m sharing a space with others, I have to expect certain things may be bothersome.
      I’d guess in a condo, if someone was smoking indoors (gross), then it could travel thru the vents. However, not to be unkind, but not only are they sharing a space with you, you are also sharing it with them. And if someone pays for a condo in a smoking permitted building, they have a right to smoke there.
      I’ve lived in a condo before, renting out a room from the owner. That’s when I decided I would never buy one, because it’s all the same issues you have with an apartment (loud neighbors, sharing the pool, etc.etc.), but you OWN it, and can’t make a quick getaway if it turns out you have neighbors from hell. I don’t see that as a good idea at all. :)

      Nov 28, 2010 at 6:58 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.2   Canthz_B bang

      ROTFL…secondhand smell isn’t the same as secondhand smoke.
      You’ll probably survive! :lol:

      Nov 29, 2010 at 8:09 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #9   eatthepeach

    Oh please, smokers don’t realise that the smell offends non smokers? Sure, that’s never been brought up before. I’m not a smoker but I love smokers because they are sexy outlaws and I prefer them to uptight rulemakers. Team “No, I won’t”.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 6:13 pm   rating: 21  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   Canthz_B bang

      I’m a smoker. I made sure my complex was NOT a non-smoking development.
      If the non-smoking sign means no smoking in the common areas only, then the original note is unreasonable, and the response is warranted.
      You can’t tell people what to do inside their own apartments (which they pay to live in) just because you don’t happen to like it.
      Damned if I’d pay for a place to live and still have to smoke outside…especially in Ontario, Canada in winter. I’m already taking the risk of lung cancer, why go out and catch my death of pneumonia?

      To paraphrase #3.1: If you don’t want to smell smoke, move to a 100% non-smoking building or buy a house.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 7:08 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.2   T

      Yeah…I’m not going to feel sorry for you because you’re “taking the risk of lung cancer.” You make yourself sound like some sort of hero.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 8:55 am   rating: 32  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.3   The Elf

      I gotta agree with CB – it all goes back to the original law. If the law only applies to common areas, then the note writer is out of line and should invest in air filters, air freshners, and/or move to a smoke free building. If the law applies to all interior spaces, including invidual apartments, then the note writer is in the right but did manage to pick a PA way to say something. They should bring it up with the building management or at least confront the neighbor directly with a copy of the law in hand.

      As for me, I’m a non-smoker who hates the smell of smoke. I thankfully wasn’t bothered by it when I was an apartment dweller in a smoking-allowed building (they all were back then). I think it helped that I was in one of those buildings where the hallways and stairwells were all open to outside air and the indoor common areas (like the gym) were in a seperate building, which was smoke free.

      Anyway, now I have my own home and thou shalt not smoke in it. Sounds like note-writer should save up and do likewise.

      Smoking might be disgusting, but they can be disgusting if they want to be. I just make sure I’m upwind of CB.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 9:39 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.4   oi

      Uh, T not wanting to take unnecessary risks does not make one a hero. If that was the case I’d be hero every f*** second.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 10:37 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.5   oi bang

      I wish I had signed in when posted this comment.
      what I meant is: not wanting to take unnecessary risks does not mean one is fantasizing himself as a hero.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 6:13 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.6   Canthz_B bang

      T, I assume you use your respiratory system like the rest of us. If so, you too are taking the risk of getting lung cancer.
      Smoking increases the risk, but there is still a risk even if you’re never exposed to cigarette smoke. Smoking is but one cause of lung cancer, there are many others.
      There’s no way to tell just who will and who will not become ill. They’re working on it…but don’t hold your breath.
      Hero? Really? I didn’t say I was out trying to get cancer so as to save someone else from getting it, and if I could do such a thing I probably wouldn’t, so I’m no hero. Just an average, everyday smoker who prefers smoking in the comfort of his home rather than outside in the cold. ;-)

      Nov 29, 2010 at 6:56 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.7   Wordtinker doesnt smith bang

      Much to my insurance company’s dismay, I AM trying to get cancer. Having worked in hospitals and nursing homes and having seen many of the other ways one can die, cancer definitely comes gets you the best drugs.
      As for the lingering odor people keep complaining about, you have no idea how many smokers you’re around everyday. Until I moved in with other smokers recently, no one realized I smoked because they couldn’t smell it. Regular housekeeping and routine personal hygiene works wonders.
      CB, feel free to light one up at my place anytime.

      Nov 30, 2010 at 12:28 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.8   Canthz_B bang

      Thanks, Tink.

      You’d think some people have never heard of Febreze®, wouldn’t you?

      Nov 30, 2010 at 10:37 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.9   Aapje

      Canthz,

      Smoking is not just one cause of lung cancer. About 90% of lung cancer is caused by smoking. A smoker has 10x as much chance to get lung cancer as a non-smoker. Second-hand smoke is an important cause for lung cancer in non-smokers, so your poison affects them as well.

      Dec 1, 2010 at 7:19 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.10   Canthz_B bang

      Poor use of statistics.
      90% of lung cancer is caused by cigarettes? I won’t take that at face value, but only because so many people have died, and are dying, of lung cancer (mesothelioma) caused by asbestos and industrial particulates.

      10 times as much as what original risk though?
      10 out of 100 instead of 1 in 100? 10 out of 1,000,000 as opposed to 1 in 1,000,000?
      Where’s your reference point? Do you even know? Or is “10 times” more risk just scary enough to you to stop you thinking any more deeply?

      Simply saying 10 times more likely is absolutely meaningless.

      Now, if you maintain that non-smokers very rarely get lung cancer, then you’re also saying smokers’ risk is 10 times what is an extremely small original risk in the first place.
      Not a very scary thing to say if you give it some thought.

      Popular sugarless gum advertisement:
      “4 out of 5 dentists who chew gum recommend sugarless gum.”
      What percentage of dentists chew gum?
      Without that, the first statistic is meaningless.
      If 100% of dentists chew gum, 80% recommend sugarless gum, but if only 10% of dentists chew gum, then as few as 8% of dentists recommend sugarless gum.
      And that’s assuming that 100% of non-gum-chewing dentists do not recommend sugarless gum. We don’t even know what dentists who do not chew gum recommend. They weren’t part of the cited study group.
      A seemingly easy to understand original statement, actually gave you no usable information whatsoever.

      Statistics are slippery.

      Lies, damned lies and statistics. Watch out for all of them. Statistics especially in your case. ;-)

      Dec 1, 2010 at 11:46 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.11   Canthz_B bang

      I take that back. It wasn’t simply a poor use of statistics.
      It was more a poor understanding of how to interpret statistics, and knowing when the stats you’re using actually have any validity. Validity is a key component when it comes to statistics and what they say and don’t say…and what they can and should be used to prove.

      Here are some questions you may want to ask about your 10%:

      How much does a smoker need to smoke to reach a 10% higher risk of lung cancer than a non-smoker?
      One cigarette a day? 10? 20? 50? You don’t know?
      Then don’t spout meaningless statistics.

      Does a guy who smokes half a pack a day have a higher or lower risk than a non-smoker who has worked with asbestos? What about the asbestos worker whose spouse did his laundry lo those may years? How did her exposure to asbestos and her infrequent smoking affect her? How do you assign statistical blame in these cases and others like them?
      Many of the studies people rely upon today are flawed because investigators only looked for a correlation between smoking and lung cancer. The links between asbestos, radon, dioxins, pesticides, etc. and lung cancer were not widely known, and were not factored in.
      When you do a study, you have to be extra careful that your study is not structured to find what you happen to be looking for.
      So, I dispute your “10 times more likely” solely do to smoking claim.

      Can you say “Quite a number of flawed study results out there when it comes to statistical conclusions”?

      Dec 2, 2010 at 2:24 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #10   Thorbjørn

    This just goes to prove that smokers = inconsiderate people.

    Oh and by the way, smoking is about a sexy as a middle-aged man’s hairy butt-crack.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 7:06 pm   rating: 38  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   Canthz_B bang

      Bullshit. It doesn’t “prove” a damned thing, except maybe that some non-smokers think they have a right to tell others what to do. It’s just a selfish opinion.

      Most smokers are extremely considerate of the space non-smokers want and need.
      We go out of our way for the most part to NOT offend.

      Non-smokers, on the other hand, tend to be some of the most intolerant people you’d ever want to meet.

      They get pissed off just seeing someone smoke…outdoors!! Totally irrational objections are commonly accepted as politically correct and proper.
      They even sometimes act as if an old cigarette butt is a direct threat to their health.
      Really strange people they can be.
      This note is an example of their exaggeration.
      Since when does their ability to smell that someone smokes equal a chain-smoker in their midst?
      Hardly anyone chain-smokes these days. There just isn’t much opportunity to do so, and cigarettes are far too expensive, among other reasons.
      After all, if they really wanted to protect their lung health, they’d be out protesting truck and bus traffic. That’s some REALLY deadly secondhand smoke for you!
      And they sure as shit wouldn’t drive automobiles.

      When was the last time you heard of someone committing suicide by locking themselves in their garage and lighting a cigarette?
      So, what’s more deadly outdoors and in? Car exhaust, or cigarette smoke?
      Just because you can’t smell the carbon monoxide and other things from car, bus and truck exhausts doesn’t mean you aren’t taking it in with every breath you take.
      And if your nose is such a finely-tuned instrument, why doesn’t internal combustion engine exhaust offend you?
      Isn’t that in your clothes and home too?

      Some arguments are more full of shit than a two year-old’s diaper.
      Just say you disapprove of smoking, it’s okay, but don’t try to make up bullshit reasons for why you are against it. Smoking will not end the world, get a grip. You will not die because you caught a whiff of cigarette smoke today.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 7:28 pm   rating: 18  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.2   eatthepeach

      I also know middle aged men who have very sexy hairy butts; aren’t you the judgemental one to think this is not possible?

      Nov 28, 2010 at 10:42 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.3   woodsey

      I am enormously affected by cigarette smoke. I am concerned about a lot of different pollutants in our environment, but cigarette smoke in particular leaves me nauseated. I generally do not complain about smokers in the outdoors, though I sometimes am sorely tempted when they light up in a crowd outdoors at a show or something. That is irrelevant to why I respond to your comment, though.
      WE ARE NOT SCARED OF YOUR DISCARDED BUTTS. WE SIMPLY FIND IT OFFENSIVE WHEN GHETTO SMOKERS TOSS OUT THEIR TRASH LIKE THEY THINK THEIR MOM IS GONNA PICK UP LATER. Yes, I know I was shouting. Yes, I recognize the irony of a PA rant in the sub-thread of a blog on PA notes. Fuck you. Pick up your gotdamned trash.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 10:59 pm   rating: 39  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.4   Canthz_B bang

      Cool, but why does cigarette trash in particular make you so irate?
      I pick up my butts and dispose of them properly…as I do all of my trash.
      Clean up every butt on Earth though, and you’d still have mountain ranges worth of trash blowing about.
      You may drink bottled water. Have you any idea how long those plastic bottles will be around as opposed to how long the average cigarette butt will be?
      There are no cigarette butts floating around in the mid-Pacific Ocean, but there’s plenty of plastic out there.

      Guess you’d rather I chew sticks of gum and not properly dispose of the two pieces of paper that would produce each time. Gum chewers far outnumber smokers, and we’ve all seen them routinely drop gum wrappers on the ground, not to mention their disgusting chewed gum, with its potential to follow you home on the bottom of your shoes (unlike cigarette butts, unless they happen to be captured by some gum).

      Really now, trash as a result of smoking is about the dumbest argument against smoking one can make.

      Irrationality blows freely in the wind also it seems.

      Nov 28, 2010 at 11:27 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.5   BurstingAtTheSeams

      …I have a serious immunodefiency and can’t tolerate cigarette smoke. But I can’t be around car exhaust either, and I don’t own a car because I can’t drive. I have to wear a mask to go out in public most of the time…

      It’s a gigglebrax, but I can’t tolerate perfume either. Recent studies show that many of the same VOCs that are released by cigarettes are also ingredients in perfumes. Scary times we live in.

      On the other hand, I haven’t written any PANs yet about my illness. Hmmm, maybe I should, maybe I should…

      Nov 29, 2010 at 12:19 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.6   Canthz_B bang

      BATS, sorry to hear that, and I hope you are and stay well…but tell us, do you find smokers to respect your condition and not smoke around you once they know, or to be inconsiderate people in general?

      Nov 29, 2010 at 12:31 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.7   woodsey

      @Canthz you win. I freely admit I am just as pissed off about non-smoker trash in the street. I guess it’s just me that thinks smokers frequently do not see their butts as anything anyone would notice (HINT: we notice).
      But, if you speak true, I have very little concern over your trash, cig-based or otherwise. It’s the stuff that doesn’t get disposed of properly that bothers me.
      And don’t go all straw man on me. I never said I was making an argument against smoking. You brought up butts. All I said was, PICK UP YER GOTDAMNED TRASH! Since you do, my comments were directed elsewhere.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 1:06 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.8   Canthz_B bang

      Well, the note is about smoking, so you didn’t have to bring up butts…still trying to discount your “ghetto” reference..,WTF was that about? (WE SIMPLY FIND IT OFFENSIVE WHEN GHETTO SMOKERS TOSS OUT THEIR TRASH LIKE THEY THINK THEIR MOM IS GONNA PICK UP LATER.) You were upset about the trash that are cigarette butts, I simply responded and tried to put things into perspective. You’d wonder what I meant if I said ” Jerry Springer trailer park trash” too.

      I agree. Trash is trash, and should be properly disposed of. :-P
      I was just wondering why you felt the need to shout about butts when the world is saturated with trash of all kinds…nothing personal…just curious.
      I’m just saying that if EVERY smoker picked up their butts, you’d still have loads of trash to piss you off, is all.
      So, yeah, it’s probably just you that thinks smoking causes people to not know what trash is.

      Trust me, I know trash when I see it…tag!! ;-)

      Nov 29, 2010 at 1:32 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.9   Sarah

      “There are no cigarette butts floating around in the mid-Pacific Ocean, but there’s plenty of plastic out there.”

      Uh, Canthz B, hate to break it to you, but cigarette butts ARE plastic. Read this: http://theflotsamdiaries.blogspot.com/2010/11/ashes-to-ashes-part-ii.html

      Your butts hang around for as long as other plastics do, and many of them probably do end up in the Pacific.

      You seem to think it’s ok that you litter because other people do too. Not a very strong argument.

      As for the cigarette smoke, there’s a guy in my building who smokes in the lift. All of the public areas of the building are smoke free. I have to take the stairs because I have asthma so can’t go in the lift if it’s full of smoke.

      Smoke getting into other people’s apartments can actually constitute a legal nuisance. Team note writer.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 3:41 am   rating: 18  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.10   Canthz_B bang

      Hate to burst your bubble, but as I said above, I don’t litter. ;-)
      Don’t know about where you live, but in the US smoking in elevators is illegal. The guy that smokes in your lift is an asshole, but not all smokers are just because he happens to be.
      Please don’t overgeneralize about the habits of smokers, and I’ll try not to do the same about the attitudes of non-smokers.
      You are not all paranoid assholes.

      You “probably” live a compost-filled “green” lifestyle, but most of the other people in the world contribute more plastic-based trash to the world than the average smoker.
      You can “probably” all you want about what’s in the Pacific Ocean, but the plastic bottles and other refuse is a fact.
      Just keep your kid in disposable diapers for three years and you’d “probably” have the average smoker beat on the plastic trash meter.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 7:52 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.11   Woman on the Verge bang

      I never have to remind CB to clean his butt.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 7:53 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.12   The Elf

      Non-cigarette litter irks me too, but it does seem that cigarette butts are freakin’ everywhere on the street. Not every smoker is as considerate as you, CB. However, I see this as a littering problem, not a smoking problem. The solution is to fine people who litter, not ban smoking.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 9:43 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.13   peachfuzzbutt

      I wouldn’t dare call my butt sexy, but it surely isn’t offensive. :razz:

      Nov 29, 2010 at 12:48 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.14   Canthz_B bang

      Elf, I guess you can find just about any kind of trash “everywhere” on the street if you’re of a mind to look for it.

      My theory is that there are a lot of butts on the streets because smoking is banned indoors almost everywhere. Before the ban, most of those butts would have been placed in ashtrays.

      Here’s a thought, if you want to banish smokers to the streets, put some ashtrays out there for them to use.
      They’d probably be used about as often as non-smokers use public litter-baskets, but it’s worth a try. ;-)

      Nov 29, 2010 at 7:26 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.15   woodsey

      “They even sometimes act as if an old cigarette butt is a direct threat to their health.”
      you brought it up. I just responded. I wish nobody would smoke, but that’s a decision everyone has to make individually. I don’t think butts are a threat to my health, but I still get mad about them (and all trash that isn’t in a trash can). As for ghetto, maybe that’s my latent racist tendencies (we all have them, don’t deny it) but when people throw trash in the street, I think, “ghetto.”

      But thanks for all your great statistics about the percentage of plastic discarded by smokers v. non. I don’t doubt them at all.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 9:12 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.16   Canthz_B bang

      As a health issue, not as a trash issue. And a minor aside at that. You went the extra mile to trash on your own.
      I didn’t specify that the butts needed to be improperly disposed of, they could just as well be in ashtrays, non-smokers hate them anyway.

      I don’t think I gave any statistics, certainly no percentages, but what I meant is that the amount of plastics discarded by your average non-smoker would exceed the amount that a smoker’s discarded butts would be. Not total smoker’s plastics of all types…that would be a silly thing to say.

      My apologies, I should have made that much clearer.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 9:33 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.17   woodsey

      I’ll give you my leap from “butts” to “trash.” I think butts are nasty, as you suggest, and i might have missed a little sarcasm there.

      But I really don’t care about them much if they are disposed of properly. After my little tirade about statistics, I won’t say “most smokers do not dispose of properly,” but I suspect you will agree that isn’t a great stretch. Either way, I will sign off with many thanks to you and other smokers who expend the extra effort required to put your trash where it belongs.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 9:54 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.18   Canthz_B bang

      Fine by me, but when people throw trash in the street, I don’t think “ghetto”, I think “stupid”. ;-)

      Nov 29, 2010 at 10:00 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.19   BurstingAtTheSeams

      LOL, @10.6. Never really thought about it, but truly, smokers do ten to be more considerate and aware of their output than fragranced people. =) Smokers are more noticeable, true, but many of them stand aside while smoking while the perfumed crowd blends in. Ha, ha, thanks for a good laugh.

      Dec 5, 2010 at 3:15 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.20   Canthz_B bang

      That’s all I’m saying, BATS, smokers are not the assholes people would like to make us out to be, whether they happen to like the habit or not.
      Non-smokers are much more likely to be the assholes in your life, they do not believe in “live and let live”, in large part.

      I’m just asking that we all be reasonable and give each other some space.

      Dec 6, 2010 at 5:13 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #11   Canthz_B bang

    I just wish no one would wear cologne or perfume. Not because it bothers me physically, but because I can smell it. It gets in my clothes, and in an enclosed space like my car I can smell other peoples’ preferred scents coming from MY clothes.
    I often light a cigarette just to mask that crap, so please, only wear your cologne/perfume on the balcony.

    Thank you.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 7:16 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   BurstingAtTheSeams

      Could you please also make sure to fart on the balcony? The neighbors will hate the amplified sounds but will be glad to have the methane steered properly into the atmosphere.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 12:23 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.2   Nahhh bang

      Come fart by me; I’m trying to give that up, too.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 2:05 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.3   Canthz_B bang

      I’ll give you a beer fart that will make you forget all about cigarette smoke, Nahhh! LOL

      Nov 29, 2010 at 2:48 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.4   Wrench

      Oh, please. I can see working in a small office, in a cubical directly beside someone who takes an Italian shower every morning. But no sane person can reasonably argue that someone who wears perfume has enough sillage to float their stench to adjoining apartments.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 5:28 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #11.5   Canthz_B bang

      Wrench, of course no sane person would make that argument, but as a JOKE it was kind of a cute play on the note. ;-)

      Nov 29, 2010 at 7:33 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #12   Non-Mommy

    I guess all that smoking impairs their ability to use apostrophes in the word “don’t” as well!

    Nov 28, 2010 at 8:10 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

     
  • #13   aaa bang

    If you don’t wear shoes, you won’t get smelly feet. Jesus fuck, people should know this shit already!

    Nov 28, 2010 at 10:31 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

     
  • #14   Madrias

    Because of the no-smoking sign, I have to call Team No-Smoking-Here on this one. I’m a non-smoker who doesn’t give a crap where you smoke, as long as it’s a: not in a no-smoking area, and b: not in my damn car or house.

    Simple as that. Don’t blow your smoke in my face, and I’ll be happy and not put a firecracker in your next smoke.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 10:45 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   The Elf

      Yes, if that is what the no smoking sign means. There appears to be some debate about that.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 9:46 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #15   Canthz_B bang

    I live in Arizona. At my job there used to be a smoking area outside at the far end of the campus.
    We are now a non-smoking campus. We aren’t even allowed to smoke in our cars on campus.

    Now that the smokers no longer use that space, it is free for use by non-smokers.

    Guess how many of them sit out there in 112°F. temps to eat lunch and socialize in the sun.
    Bottom line is that they just didn’t want to even see smokers, not that the smoke was a bother to them or they really wanted to use that outdoor space.

    Those tables and benches are made of marble…hot as Hades in the desert sun, and totally unusable for any comfortable purpose. But you win. You can have them.
    Happy now? Now that the company pays to maintain a totally unused area?
    At some point you just have to see that your crusade has gone too far. When that will happen, no one can say.
    Maybe when all smokers quit and all the lovely hundreds of thousands (millions?) of tax dollars disappear.

    Nov 28, 2010 at 11:08 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

     
  • #16   Kat a falling star bang

    Nice to see the Tea Party has arrived in Canada.

    Nov 29, 2010 at 2:06 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   pony girl

      I’m confused.
      Je ne comprends pas.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 3:56 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #17   Woman on the Verge bang

    I’m pretty the smokers are jonesing so bad for a cigarette that they stopped reading right after “PLEASE SMOKE ON THE BALCONY”. They probably thought, “Awesome! Now I can light up there too!”

    Nov 29, 2010 at 7:34 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   Canthz_B bang

      LOL, you’d be right! There are damned few signs telling us where we CAN smoke.
      Any and all would be greatly appreciated! :-D

      Nov 29, 2010 at 8:17 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #17.2   Woman on the Verge bang

      You can smoke outside of my house anytime, CB.

      Nov 29, 2010 at 9:12 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #17.3   WMDKitty

      *lights cigarette*

      *offers one to CB*

      Nov 29, 2010 at 10:14 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #18   Cizzerhand

    The acoustics must be excellent if you can hear a fart from all of the apartments.

    Nov 29, 2010 at 10:51 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #19   WMDKitty

    Team “No I Won’t”

    What I do in MY apartment, that I’M paying rent for, is MY BUSINESS. All you nosy nellies can just fuck right off.

    Nov 29, 2010 at 10:13 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #19.1   t.velociraptor

      Yeah, but when what you’re doing in your apartment starts to impede on my apartment, THAT I ALSO PAY RENT FOR, a problem arises.

      Playing your music really loudly all day is YOUR BUSINESS, but I also don’t think that I should have to have my apartment shake for 12 hours a day because you refuse to turn down the bass on your stereo. Similarly, I don’t care if my neighbors smoke inside, but if someone WAS smoking so much (and I think that it would have to be a fuck of a lot for it to happen) that it was THAT noticeable throughout other parts of the building, I’d complain.

      Nov 30, 2010 at 10:01 am   rating: 10  small thumbs up

       
    • #19.2   April

      I agree. Apartment living is about respecting your neighbors and having to do certain things like keep music low or don’t stomp around at night or not smoking in non smoking buildings. Heck even some of that stuff applies to houses in neighborhoods with the music at least if you have it loud enough. We have to try to be courteous and not try to bother others.

      Sure if smoking was allowed in the apartment then fine. But if it is not, you are damn right I am going to be pissed if you smoke and will raise a shitstorm about it too.

      I had neighbors in a pet free duplex that decided to own several cats and several large dogs. I would have let it go till their dogs started pooping all over the place and smelling up my patio so I could not even go out there. Then I reported their ass and they got evicted. I have a right to enjoy my pet free duplex. Their rights were to follow the rules.

      Nov 30, 2010 at 10:26 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #19.3   Canthz_B bang

      t.velociraptor, the only difference here is, there are some people who will tell you that if they can detect even the slightest hint of cigarette smoking, they are being poisoned by secondhand smoke.
      So, unfortunately, it doesn’t take someone smoking a heck of a lot for someone to pitch a bitch about it.

      If they were more educated about just what exactly was meant by the “experts” when they came up with the term “secondhand smoke”, they could tell the difference between being able to smell that someone smoked, and actually inhaling smoke.
      But the damage is already done, the irrational fears are too deeply ingrained. They’re convinced that they are being forced to smoke because they can smell cigarettes.
      Well, let me tell you something, when I feel the need for a smoke, sniffing a smoker wouldn’t do the trick in and of itself! LOL

      As far as I know, scent molecules sensed by the nose and interpreted by the brain have never been linked to lung disease. So if you’re not in a cloud of smoke, your health is probably not being affected…just your sensibilities.

      Just because they can smell bacon, doesn’t mean there are slices of bacon forming in their lungs. LOL

      Nov 30, 2010 at 10:50 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #19.4   t.velociraptor

      I was going on the (probably incorrect) assumption that most people have SOME reason, and that it would take more than just the knowledge that someone, somewhere in the building, was smoking to get them upset – and that they’d be more upset over the unpleasant-but-otherwise-harmless smell of stale smoke, not that nicotine-fueled cancerous germies are flying through the air to attack their respiratory systems.

      Maybe it’s just my experience, but the same people who claim that every smoker is out to give them cancer tend to also accuse their neighbors of trying to destroy their sleeping patterns by vacuuming after 6 pm.

      Dec 1, 2010 at 1:37 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #19.5   Canthz_B bang

      Personally, I’d rather invest in a little Carpet Fresh and Febreze, maybe a few Glade Plug-ins, than get all riled up over what someone else does in their apartment. That works for us, and I smoke, and yes…stale smoke smells bad, so you have to do what’s right for all concerned. Empty and clean ashtrays and take out the trash. Open a window or two for some ventilation and fresh air.
      Just seems like the reasonable thing to do. But then, who says everyone is very reasonable? :lol:

      Speaking of trash, I once had apartment neighbors who evidently collected trash. Every time they opened their door the stench filled the hallway and, if the airflow was just wrong, seeped in under my door.

      Unclean is unclean, smokers don’t have a monopoly on it either.

      Dec 1, 2010 at 2:41 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #20   connie_brea

    Yup, they should respect the No-Smoking Sign. Most campuses have zero tolerance for that at least in SDSU nr computer lab.

    Second-hand smoke annoys everyone,even some people who smoke hate smoke. I’m seeing Electronic Cigarettes around campus. check out the video.

    http://celebrities-electronic-cigs.yolasite.com/

    Nov 29, 2010 at 11:18 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #21   Kent M

    The sign doesn’t apply to the actual units, most likely.

    Those signs exist in my building, but only mean no smoking in the common areas.

    The smoker is probably within their rights.

    Nov 30, 2010 at 10:50 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #22   Wordtinker doesnt smith bang

    The odor of your preferred laundry detergent, scented trash bags, auto freshener, home air freshener, deodorant, body spray, mouth wash and breath freshener makes my eyes water, my nose run and my skin sting. It also causes me to cough, sneeze, and choke. I’ll quit smoking (which negates my reaction to perfumes to the point that I don’t have to be medicated) if you’ll give up the joys of scented products. Fair enough?

    Nov 30, 2010 at 12:44 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #23   monop

    Sympathizing with the initial note writer. I own a condo, and another condo owner on my floor is completely within his right to smoke it up in his suite but it makes mine reek as well. I actually do smoke on occasion, when I’m out and drinking, but the smell of stale, secondhand smoke makes me ill.. I wish my kitchen wasn’t right next to the condo’s doorway, where the smell is focused. Sigh.

    Nov 30, 2010 at 1:32 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #23.1   boiztwn

      Then you should address the owner directly with a note or a face-to-face chat rather than posting a note dripping with hyperbolic OUTRAGE! in the common areas.

      I have no tolerance for those that pull these kinds of pathetic stunts. Seen it all too often when it’s one-on-one and no one else really cares enough to contribute to the whiner’s crusade.

      Dec 6, 2010 at 7:43 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #24   shannon

    Everyone knows there’s no such thing as a ‘smoke free hotel’.
    I think smoking inside your house is disgusting, but when it affects other apartments and possibly children or individuals with asthma or allergies, that’s really messed up.
    As far as I’m aware and I haven’t done much research, stinky feet and curry isn’t a highly addictive and documented carcinogen.

    I’d be scouring my lease for legal backup.

    Nov 30, 2010 at 9:23 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

     
  • #25   shepd

    In ontario, despite any rules made by the landlord or in your rental agreement you may always smoke in your own apartment. That no smoking sign applies only to common areas (hallways, elevators) and nothing else.

    So, putting it beside that sign is totally irrelevant.

    If you don’t like it (I didn’t) either buy a detached house or write the government.

    Sorry to be a wet blanket, but people in this province are anti-smoking insane.

    Dec 1, 2010 at 7:03 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   Aelwyn

      Actually, one can sue their neighbours (in a detached house/apartment/townhouse) to stop smoking if it affects their health. There was a legal precedent (it was in the news in Hamilton, ON).

      Dec 30, 2010 at 7:11 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #26   Zara

    Ah, more proof that smokers are selfish assholes.

    Dec 2, 2010 at 12:27 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #27   sallah

    I own rental units. I have no smoking put into my leases. If someone decides to smoke in their units, I am not likely to evict them, but you can bet your bottom dollar they have lost their deposits and will be liable for any other damages due to their smoking… A normal deposit doesn’t cover a full paint job, cleaning the AC/heating unit, cleaning (and in one case, replacing carpets because of burn holes) a complete wipe down of cabinets and every single hard surface…

    On one of my small two bedroom units, the cost of smoking, in damages would be close to 1600 dollars…

    Dec 2, 2010 at 4:00 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #27.1   Aelwyn

      Not to mention the massive number of fires (and it’s growing every year) due to people falling asleep while smoking in bed or laying on the couch! There goes your entire rental unit.

      And while renters in Ontario MUST have rental insurance, most don’t, so who pays for the damages????

      Dec 30, 2010 at 7:13 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #28   Steva

    Yay! I’m from Hamilton :)

    Dec 5, 2010 at 9:18 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #29   boiztwn

    I work in apartments management and get garbage like this all. the. time. “There’s a smoker on my floor and I can SMELL it; do something!”

    It’s perfectly legal (now) to smoke in your unit, even if there’s a municipal or State ban. Bans extend to public areas. Even if I wanted to (and I don’t) file an eviction over something so trivial would be an LOL waste of time and investment, not to mention MONEY! Spending thousands of dollars to evict someone because some whiner on the same floor “demands” it, and then moves out at the end of their lease anyhow because they want to “try something different?” HA!

    The worst you could do is write a mean, bluffing letter or give a similar phone call. You could even say “Move. Now.” But If someone doesn’t want to, they don’t have to. Smoking in your unit is completely within the law, even if the hallways smell of smoke or if some frail tenant whines it’s in their apartment (and trust, then you get the ubiquitous “I’M ATHSMATIC!!!” or “I JUST HAD NASAL SURGERY!!!!” like, lol whut? cries of grandeur).

    Team response all. the. way. The response is 100% dead on in calling out all the other “sensitivity” whining that goes on in multi-unit buildings such as “she walks on her floor in HEELS!” or “that man was SCREAMING on his cell phone at 10:30 am!” File that whiny “please be my RA” garbage in the dustbin of history.

    Dec 6, 2010 at 7:33 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #30   Aelwyn

    In Hamilton, ON, one can’t smoke in public areas, including beneath umbrellas or canopies ANYWHERE (at a bar, in front of a store, etc). I get PISSED when people smoke right in front of a store, under the overhang. And I tell them. I am asthmatic, and severely allergic to chemicals (to the point that I can’t use cleaning chemicals–I use lemon juice and vinegar mostly).

    I know a woman with COPD who goes outside and smokes, and it drives me NUTS. Seriously. And she’s on disability for COPD because she can’t walk for extended periods of time due to it. Make sense to anyone????

    As for not being able to taste or smell–darn straight! My dad LOVES to smoke–loves the taste, the feel, the addiction. He quit 8 or so years ago (a year after my mum did) due to rising costs of cigarettes. He now admits he can smell and taste things he didn’t know he could. He eats VEGETABLES, something he never did while smoking because he hated the taste (but now loves it). Both he and my mother can’t stand the smell of cigarette smoke anymore.

    Personally, I can smell it about half a city block away, if someone is smoking. If someone is a heavy smoker or just entered a shop I’m in after smoking, I can smell it. I hold my breath and move as far away as possible.

    I live in a townhouse, and I’m lucky that when the next door neighbours are outside smoking up a storm (the one who was pregnant until recently, still did during her pregnancy and still does), I can close my door until they are done. It sucks that I can’t get my “fresh air” (as if Hamilton’s air is “fresh”, but I live near Ancaster where it is slightly more “fresh”), but at least I can’t smell it through vents or the cracks around my door anymore.

    Not to mention the massive amount of illnesses I have that could very well be chalked up to my parents smoking as I grew up. Yay for nicotine (and the chemicals in cigarettes) sucking calcium out of bones, and affecting estrogen. I’m 31 and without a uterus, and had to relearn to walk due to endometriosis affecting nerves in my feet.

    Dec 30, 2010 at 7:23 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     

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