How NOT to get out of a parking ticket

#1 owerhuwsefnowei@iosfoiuwe.com

I understand the aggression, Parking tickets are a revenue generating scam.

Dec 2, 2010 at 6:54 pm rating: 31 small thumbs up

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#1.1 The Elf

The can be, for sure, especially when they are convoluted rules and the city has hired people specifically to enforce the parking laws. (Gotta get a return on investment.) But at the same time, you see the signs, you know the rules, you park there anyway, don’t be surprised if you get a ticket. Take your lumps and pay the fine.

Dec 3, 2010 at 7:32 am rating: 30
#1.2 Canthz_B

“Parking tickets are a revenue generating scam.”

Perhaps, but a scam is only successful if suckers fall for it. No “mark”, no con.

In this case, everyone who thinks they have a few minutes after the meter expires, or a few to “just run in and out” of some store while parked in a loading zone is a potential “mark”.

Dec 4, 2010 at 12:12 am rating: 7
#1.3 owerhuwsefnowei@iosfoiuwe.com

You obviously don’t live in NYC, where as opposed to juries and judges, we have an “adjudicative” system. They themselves admit that they need a 65% conviction rate to justify their existence (remain profitable). We are not allowed to question our accusers in court. They accept the traffic “officer’s” statement on the ticket as “fact”.

Also, in NYC, carriers like Fedex and UPS pay a flat fee to the city (a few million a month) to “take care” of all of the tickets they accrue. Essentially sending the signal that if you are rich enough, you can park wherever you damn well please.

Do not ever insult my intelligence again by calling me a “mark”. I live in NYC and can see a scam coming before the scam knows it.

Dec 5, 2010 at 10:56 pm rating: 11
#1.4 Canthz_B

You sound like you’ve gotten a ticket or two in NYC in your time, guess you didn’t see the scam coming before the scam knew it, huh?

Fedex and UPS pay the cost of doing business so their drivers don’t have to pay parking tickets, and packages can be delivered.
As you say, they can park wherever they please…because they paid the cost to be the boss in advance! They are not parking for free.
Fedex and UPS know they are marks, they just understand it’s cheaper to just make the pay-off than it is to pay all of the tickets they’d actually get.
Call it a discount rate, if you like, but it ain’t free parking by any means.
When you have as large an economic impact on commerce as Fedex and UPS have, you should pay the cost of doing business as well.
If you just need to stop at Subway for a sandwich and double-park to do so, please don’t compare that to Fedex or UPS.

I mean, you really can’t say, “Why are you giving me a ticket and not that UPS truck?” , when you KNOW that UPS pays for the violation in millions of dollars in advance. Can you?
You don’t have to live in NYC, or Lower Podunk for that matter, to understand that.
So, no…I don’t think I’m insulting your intelligence…not at all.

I’m a NY/NJ/CT tri-state area guy myself, BTW.
So, what you think is obvious about me, is wrong in it’s assumptions, and implications. I am more than familiar with the area.
I spent many a weekend partying in The City back in the day…I parked legally, and never received a ticket then, or any time after that when I visited The City.
The signs can be confusing at first glance, but if you take a second to stop and read them, a reasonably intelligent person can make sense of them.
If you decide not to read them, you’re a “mark”.

Oh, and I didn’t call you a “mark”, unless you are the type who thinks they can “get away with” illegal parking if you do it really fast. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You don’t get overjoyed when you win, so don’t get pissed when you lose.

Here’s a hard to swallow fact for you…Of course the officer’s statement on the ticket is accepted as fact. It’s his/her sworn statement to the court. You expect them to bring the whole system to a halt to haul EVERY officer into a courtroom to verify EVERY ticket some dickwads want to contest? Imagine how much the fines would have to go up to pay for THAT kind of inefficiency in a city of 8.5 million people!!
Even if you could question the ticket-writer, their word would be taken over yours before a judge.
Then you’d get the privilege of paying both the fine AND court costs.
What? You think they’re going to show up in court and say, “Your Honor, I just made up a bullshit ticket to make my quota. This driver did nothing wrong.”?
That’s just the way things are in court. You have a vested interest in getting off, the officer (supposedly) has no vested interest in your conviction. We know that’s bullshit, but that’s how it works…be it parking, speeding, rape or murder.
I know, I’ve been to traffic court. Unless you can show that the ordinance or statute they put on the ticket does not apply to the offense you are charged with, you will lose.
I showed the State statute I was accused of violating was not the crime I committed (which was just a city ordinance) and paid $24 instead of the $135 I’d have paid if I hadn’t fought it. But ya gotta do the work before you go before a judge, and be prepared with facts…not emotions.

They will always have more than a 65% conviction rate, not because the system is corrupt, but because way more than 65% of tickets are valid.
Just look around at some of the crazy (and just plain stupid) ways people park in Manhattan.
It’s fucking mind-boggling!

Dec 6, 2010 at 1:02 am rating: 10
#1.5 Canthz_B

“They themselves admit that they need a 65% conviction rate to justify their existence (remain profitable).”

The fact that they only need a 65% conviction rate (65% being quite a low rate) to be profitable is testament to the fact that there are more than enough legitimate parking violations to support the need for their agency. And that their operations budget isn’t very costly to the city relative to the benefits to the city. Government well done for once. Something to be happy about.
It speaks to a certain degree of efficiency that they don’t need a 95 or 100% conviction rate to justify the cost of their agency.

There are so many parking violations, they don’t even need to gain convictions on 35% of them to still be of use to the city, and are not a waste of taxpayer money. Isn’t that what we want of a government agency?
Their efforts should be applauded, not condemned.

Dec 7, 2010 at 8:25 am rating: 5

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#2 Canthz_B bang

Fuck me and my ticket?!

I got news for ya pal…it’s been your ticket ever since I lifted yer wiper blade!

Dec 2, 2010 at 6:55 pm rating: 44 small thumbs up

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#2.1 Woman on the Verge

I think it was an invitation: “Fuck you and your ticket?” His phone number is on the back.

Dec 3, 2010 at 12:05 pm rating: 9

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#3 lauren

I’m in Chicago, I can only imagine how vicious cops are in Wrigleyville, where there are about a bazillion tourists on any given day, even if it’s not baseball season.

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#3.1 park rose

Hubba-bubba! By gum, you’ve got it!

Dec 2, 2010 at 10:35 pm rating: 7
#3.2 Canthz_B

rose! That one deserves a big red sign on it!

Dec 3, 2010 at 3:56 pm rating: 2
#3.3 anglophile

I don’t know if I got the joke, CB. I’ll have to chew it over a while.

Dec 3, 2010 at 9:02 pm rating: 2

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#4 Canthz_B bang

I wonder how it’s obvious that the first guy is already broke.
Has he been getting tickets on a 1976 AMC Pacer?

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#4.1 Silence

I can’t speak for Chicago, but here in Denver, tickets triple in price if you don’t pay them right away. If that guy had parked here, and gotten a $50 fine each day, he’d be looking at almost $500 in fines in a little over 2 weeks.

And that’s just for those 3 days.

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:59 am rating: 2
#4.2 Jim U. (Reno, NV)

They triple?? Isn’t that considered usury, or does Colorado not have such a law?

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:20 pm rating: 5
#4.3 Silence

I’m not sure. All I know is that you get a late fee, which is the price of the ticket, and then an Admin fee, which is also the price of the ticket.

A pal of mine literally lost his car because, while he was out of town over last Christmas, he racked up 5 tickets. By the time he got back, they’d tripled in price, and he didn’t have the money to pay the $750 in fines. They then booted his car, which added another $50 charge. After 3 days with the boot, he still couldn’t pay the now $800, so they impounded his car. After that, the fees really went out of control. Long story short, he could never get enough money to get his car, and he now bikes everywhere.

I wish I could say that it was his fault; that he had parked in some limited zone, but he didn’t. He parked in a free zone that the city decided to do construction on while he was gone. The only fault on his part, I guess, is not being able to park his car anywhere else, like a driveway or a lot…or not having someone watch his car (but considering that he was new to the city at the time, he probably didn’t have many options in that respect).

Dec 4, 2010 at 12:34 am rating: 5
#4.4 Canthz_B

A car sitting long enough to get 5 tickets, plus 3 more days with a boot (what? over a week?) would be considered an abandoned vehicle. The world isn’t his private parking lot, first of all. And secondly, he was basically asking for his car to be stolen.

So there is other fault on your friend’s part. He should have paid to store his car properly (I’m assuming Denver has parking garages like most major cities, and some service stations will store your car at a reasonable rate). It would have been cheaper to pick-up the Yellow Pages, and he wouldn’t be biking it now.

Insult to injury…he still owes the fines and towing and storage fees. There is no escaping responsibility.
Probably in the computer as a scofflaw, he may have an arrest warrant for those 5 unpaid tickets by now.

Dec 4, 2010 at 8:59 am rating: 5

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#5 Jorge Barnes

And we’re sure the note isn’t from someone who the ticketed (poorly) parked next to and wanted to rub it in their face?

Cuz that would make more sense.

Dec 2, 2010 at 7:04 pm rating: 1 small thumbs up

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#5.1 Smiley4099

I think the cop left it there to rub salt in the wound.

Dec 2, 2010 at 7:49 pm rating: 2

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#6 Canthz_B bang

I bet Uncle Paul could get that new sticker to him lickety-split!!

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#6.1 SP

Hahahaha! That’s funny, Canthz_B!

Dec 2, 2010 at 8:49 pm rating: 0

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#7 H Bomb

Holy cow. I’ve been missing a whole ‘nother world of passive aggression by being too poor to buy a car in the first place.

Dec 2, 2010 at 8:18 pm rating: 14 small thumbs up

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#8 Larry Gilbert

Protest songs against $20 parking tickets? Sheesh. Here in San Diego we only dream of parking tickets that cheap.

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#8.1 Seanette

Here in Sacramento, they’re now $50, since California decided to stick a state fee on top of what the city gouges residents for.

DH has concluded that the complexities of parking regulations in our neighborhood are designed to provide revenue to the city. He probably has a point.

Dec 3, 2010 at 12:37 am rating: 1
#8.2 Lhyzz

New York City is terrible, too. And we have alternate side of the street parking rules once a week in my neighborhood, where the parking is sparse as it is. Drives me crazy.

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:36 am rating: 1
#8.3 divaandwriter

I am a NYC resident, too. I live in one of the “outer boroughs.” I don’t have a car, but I sympathize with those who do. Not only do our neighborhoods have alternate side of the street parking, we also have people who drive in from some other area in order to take the subway into Manhattan. These people park in spaces that the neighborhood residents need for THEIR cars. Grrrrr!!!

Dec 3, 2010 at 9:55 am rating: 2
#8.4 B.

You dream of parking tickets?

Dec 3, 2010 at 12:07 pm rating: 2
#8.5 *snerk*

Someone did a traffic study in NYC (Brooklyn, I think). They determined that the majority of the traffic was people just driving around looking for parking.

The alternate-side parking rules are a laugh. Sometimes they’re in effect, sometimes suspended. Don’t know how you all keep them straight.

Dec 3, 2010 at 12:08 pm rating: 4
#8.6 merkin4

My last parking ticket was $280.

If that wasn’t bad enough, I never left the vehicle.

Dec 3, 2010 at 12:24 pm rating: 3
#8.7 butt

My thoughts exactly, Larry Gilbert. $50 here in LA last I got one.

Dec 4, 2010 at 3:02 am rating: 0

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#9 Barb

They’re NOT COPS!! They’re city workers! Please, let’s stop giving them this false cred. Maggots.

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#9.1 Canthz_B

I know where you can borrow some change for the meter, but you have to pay it back by Christmas.

They know they aren’t cops, they’re Parking Enforcement or Parking Authority (as in “The Authorities”), and they have all the “cred” and authority they need to ticket illegally parked cars.

Even committing a minor crime like illegal parking makes you wrong. Don’t get so pissed off because you got fined for it…there are signs and shit telling you where and when you can legally park.
Sometimes you fight the law and the law wins, suck it up like a good little citizen and pay your damned fine.

Dec 2, 2010 at 9:17 pm rating: 31
#9.2 owerhuwsefnowei@iosfoiuwe.com

So, what’s your parking authority badge number?

I have some outstanding tickets, maybe you can “take care” of them.

Dec 2, 2010 at 10:57 pm rating: 1
#9.3 molly moon

Part of me wonders when people are applying to this job if they think “wow I’ll be working for the city, I’m going to be getting great benefits”. and then I wonder if they think of millions of people hating them as a benefit?

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:03 am rating: 7
#9.4 Lhyzz

It’s a power trip, plain and simple.

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:37 am rating: 5
#9.5 Silence

We’ve got Parking Enforcement out here that is on shift in the middle of the night…hunting down cars while their owners are asleep. They’ll ticket you for expired tags (even if it’s before the 1 month grace period), being parked too far from the curb, being 3 inches past into the No Parking zone, and being parked in a Loading Zone.

It all begs the question: what kind of person looks at a job with those hours, that lack of social interaction, and that shitty pay and says, “Sign me up!!!”

Dec 3, 2010 at 2:03 am rating: 2
#9.6 The Elf

Someone who can’t get another job. In this economy, I bet there’s lots of people willing to take that kind of job.

I can’t blame the parking authority people for doing their job. I can blame the local legislature and local DMV for making up some stupid parking rules, though.

Dec 3, 2010 at 7:36 am rating: 23
#9.7 SarahWoopWoop

In my town, we only have one woman that does it. For her, it’s definitely a power trip; she’ll stand by cars if they have less than 5 mins left on the meter just so she can write up the ticket the SECOND time runs out. Thankfully, she’s never gotten me…yet.

Dec 3, 2010 at 9:53 am rating: 1
#9.8 *snerk*

We have one of those, too. An aged guy in his little smart car zipping around the village, diligently stamping out any spark of parking irresponsibility.

Dec 3, 2010 at 12:10 pm rating: 1
#9.9 Chiclet

Um, probably the kind of person who has either already worked one job that day or someone who doesn’t have childcare during the day but can secure some at night. Why do you have to be so judgmental?

You can’t blame someone for doing their job.

Dec 3, 2010 at 2:59 pm rating: 10
#9.10 Canthz_B

Seems to me there’s a great way to stamp out parking tickets:

Learn how to drive, read and park.
If you don’t want to be ticketed for expired tags, try the sneaky method I use…renew your registration on time.

I know this all seems quite complicated, but the vast majority of drivers have mastered these things.

Once I got a ticket for being parked on our street after 1:00am. I was out there at 1:15am to move my car when I found it, but the ticket was timestamped 1:07am or something like that.
I was wrong by 7 minutes, but I was still wrong, so why get mad at the Cop (police issued parking tickets in my town)?

Dec 3, 2010 at 4:04 pm rating: 21
#9.11 anglophile

In my town, it is the cops.

I have zero sympathy for people who get parking tickets. And I have gotten them myself.

Dec 3, 2010 at 9:15 pm rating: 9
#9.12 Silence

“You can’t blame someone for doing their job.”

No, but I can blame someone for choosing said job. If you choose it, you have no right to complain about people disliking you for it. And while I’m sure there are some who do it for those reasons, there are many who don’t. You only have to meet one or two of them to see exactly what kind of person they are. Suffice to say, they make you hold your children a little closer when they walk by.

Dec 4, 2010 at 12:38 am rating: 3
#9.13 Miz

Seriously?

Collecting city revenue from people who break laws (however minor) is scary to you?

There are control freaks all over the world in every profession.

Get over it. Somebody has to pay for the roads, let it be the stupid people.

Dec 4, 2010 at 6:19 am rating: 14
#9.14 Canthz_B

I suspect most if not all took the job because it was a legitimate job opportunity and they needed a job.

Most probably started out thinking that if they were polite and courteous, the public would be as well.
After all, who wants to be bitched at by people who are obviously in the wrong insisting they should have a right to do wrong without paying the consequences?

Get cussed out enough by assholes who think they deserve special treatment and free parking though, and I suspect even the nicest person would grow a thick skin. The less nice person will develop a “fuck you” attitude.
So if the Public don’t like PA/PE peoples’ attitudes, the Public have only themselves to blame.
YOU MADE THEM THAT WAY!!!

Tell me, who the fuck else in life do you think you can cuss out and call every name but Jesus Returned without having them turn around and beat the living shit out of you?
But they’re the assholes??
I’d say most of them have the patience of Job…and a lot more courage than some of you crybabies.

Dec 4, 2010 at 10:09 am rating: 14
#9.15 former chicagoan

Canthz_B – you clearly don’t live in a major metropolitan area. One fourth of July, I watched the parking people come out, put up street-cleaning signs for the same day (which by city ordinance need to go up more than 24 hours in advance) — not to mention that it was the FOURTH OF JULY and you have GOT to be insane if you think the city cleaning crews were actually going to come CLEAN the streets on a holiday — and about an hour later started ticketing the cars on the street for being parked in a street-cleaning zone.

I also got a parking ticket for being in an alley for more than 15 minutes… at 2:30 a.m….. on a night I and my car were home. Not in an alley. I was the only one with keys to my car. Coincidentally, I had just successfully challenged a street-cleaning ticket the week before (because the signs weren’t up the day before — I know, because I went to look every day, and got the cleaning schedule in advance from the alderman when I was going to be away for a day).

The parking enforcement division is just as corrupt as the rest of the city, for better or worse. You don’t have to do illegal things or be irresponsible to feel its wrath.

Dec 5, 2010 at 11:12 pm rating: 5
#9.16 Canthz_B

Yeah, right. I lived in the NY/NJ metro area for 47 years (now in the Phoenix metro area under Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and you want to tell me about corruption?). Is there a more major metro area than the NY metro area I haven’t heard about, Mr. Second City?

The term megalopolis was coined to describe the area I lived in all those years!!

You clearly understand that you have to be savvy enough to understand how the game is played in a major metropolitan area to stand a snowball’s chance in hell of surviving the game.
NJ is the most densely populated State in the Union, and arguably the most corrupt politically up and down the line. I know of parking wars firsthand.
I’m born and raised in one of the most densely populated areas of NJ, the Newark metro area (still wanna talk about municipal corruption?), I’ve seen (and done) things that would curl your nose hairs (ever had National Guard troops in your neighborhood during a riot? in tanks?), and never spent a minute in Essex County Jail, so please don’t try to lecture me about how to get over without getting burned or about life in a major metropolitan area.
You don’t know me that well, hell, you probably don’t know much about major metropolitan areas except the damned suburbs and the fucking interstate, so who are you to tell me where I “clearly” live just because you successfully beat a parking ticket or two?!
Odds are you know absolutely nothing about being a Black male in a major metro area.
Parking tickets are a minor inconvenience when you’re just trying to survive the week.

Not everyone in or from the inner-city is inarticulate.

PS, Chicago pizza sucks! NY pizza rules!

Dec 6, 2010 at 12:48 am rating: 2
#9.17 Canthz_B

Silence, I’m confused. Didn’t you choose to be a bartender?
If so, why were you complaining about bar customers again?

“…I can blame someone for choosing said job. If you choose it, you have no right to complain about people …”

Didn’t you know customers come with the job of tending bar?

Dec 7, 2010 at 1:37 am rating: 0
#9.18 former chicagoan

Whoa. Former NY/NJ…well, that explains your rage problem, Canthz_B. That’s an awful lot of hostility. I’m glad I don’t live in or visit Arizona, ever, and quite glad I don’t, in fact, know you.

Dec 7, 2010 at 11:16 pm rating: 0
#9.19 Canthz_B

You call that rage and hostility? It’s not.
It may, however, explain why I don’t take bullshit from people like you. After all, you decided to place me in the boonies. I hadn’t said a word to you. You could have written about your little parking saga without the first sentence, but you chose to fuck with me. Why? I don’t know, and I don’t care.

No wonder you scampered away from Chicago.

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#10 JetJackson

Illegal parking is reverse gambling. In a city where parking costs $25 an hour and a parking ticket is $55 I only have to get away with parking illegally 3 times and I am in the clear. About 15 parking tickets in 3 years and I am still well ahead!

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#10.1 DarwinSurvivor

Actually, you only need to get away with it 2 times.
Assuming you get caught every third time (get away 2 times, ticket 1 time) then you payed $55 in tickets and saved $75 in fees. Assuming they don’t also make you pay the fee for when you got caught (basically making it a $80 ticket).

Dec 2, 2010 at 11:24 pm rating: 3

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#11 Divvitar

Parking Enforcement would do much better service if they would patrol grocery store and school parking lots. They could hand out thousands in fines for double parking, blocking traffic and illegal parking in disabled spaces.

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#11.1 WMDKitty

THIS!

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:43 am rating: 2
#11.2 curvy

I don’t know about where you live, but where I live schools and supermarket carparks count as private property – the city has no power to give out parking tickets for it.
It’s up to the schools and the supermarket proprieters to have cars towed themselves.

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#12 RG

Breaking the little laws is the beginning of the slippery slope to major crime. Next you’ll be complaining about getting busted for knocking down little old ladies and stealing their purses. Mock parking enforcement officers if you must but realize they’re the first line of defense in the battle against total lawlessness.

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#12.1 Joel

I would normally agree with you, but with parking, it’s not a “law” as much as it’s a racket. Think of this, and let me know how you feel afterwards.

-You can’t feed other peoples’ meters.

Why would they *prohibit* you from feeding someone’s empty meter if it were ONLY about abiding by the laws? Who cares WHO fed the money as long as it’s not dry??? I forgot to push the free 15min button once and was charged 25dollars. I was back in 5. I literally went inside, realized I hadn’t hit the button, and went out to find a nice ticket on my windshield. Excessive I’d say…

-Joel

Dec 3, 2010 at 5:42 am rating: 9
#12.2 harmonicpies

Someone’s sarcasm radar is broken.

Dec 3, 2010 at 6:41 am rating: 16
#12.3 Canthz_B

It may be a racket to some, but it’s a legal racket. You’ll note on your ticket the number of the statute you’re being cited for violating.
As far as not feeding other peoples’ meters, one purpose of meters is to get cars moving along so they don’t sit there all day. The Chamber of Commerce of your town really likes customers to be able to park, shop and leave so they can have someone else park, shop and leave.
So does the City Council, because they make more money on sales taxes than meter change and parking tickets combined.

It’s called “turnover”. So you see, meter and ticket money are nice, but they’re not going to run your schools or anything…but sales taxes are the pot at the end of the rainbow!

Dec 3, 2010 at 4:22 pm rating: 4
#12.4 Canthz_B

Just do the math.

You park and put 50¢ into a meter for an hours time. You walk into a store and make a $50 purchase with 6% sales tax on it, then leave and drive away leaving 15 minutes on the meter.
The next guy takes your spot, adds a dime for 15 more meter minutes. He makes a $50 purchase with 6% sales tax on it, and is gone in 20 minutes.

In one hour and five minutes, that’s $6.00 in sales taxes vs. 60¢ in meter takings…just for that one parking space. Multiply that by dozens or hundreds or thousands of parking spaces, and you can see the revenue stream is about taxes, not tickets, since more people will park legally than will park illegally and get tickets.
Ticket revenues will never match tax revenues.

That’s how the world works when everyone plays by the rules. If you don’t want to play by the rules, you’ll get a ticket to pay for it.

Dec 4, 2010 at 10:29 am rating: 1
#12.5 Donna Martin Graduates!

@ Joel – “-You can’t feed other peoples’ meters.”

Can’t you?!

Dec 4, 2010 at 4:00 pm rating: 0
#12.6 butt

@Donna: In certain places, no. I believe it’s illegal in Los Angeles, for instance. If parking enforcement sees you being a good samaritan, or they see you coming out to put more time on your own meter, they’ll ticket you.

Dec 4, 2010 at 6:42 pm rating: 0
#12.7 WMDKitty

It’s illegal here, too.

I $u$pect it’$ a revenue thing — the city get$ more money from ticket$ than they do from the meter$.

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#13 JetJackson

Fuck you and your ticket too…. and your Daddy!

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#13.1 Zsa

no, no no! It’s … and your little dog too!

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#14 Bethany

Something else that doesn’t help: Confronting the war vet who issued the citation and calling him a Nazi.

Happened to one of our officers a few months ago. He showed remarkable restraint in not clocking the guy.

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#14.1 The Elf

Generally, screaming at/insulting people who have the power to make your life miserable isn’t going to help. I never understood when people do that. Are you that desperate for future parking tickets?

Dec 3, 2010 at 11:21 am rating: 12

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#15 CremeBrulee

I suspect Wrigleyville was late in ordering his/her new sticker, and is thus responsible for this situation anyway: excuses denied!

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#16 tim

FWIW, the sticker that Exhibit A in Wrigleyville is talking about is readily available at stores everywhere in the neighborhood, plus dozens of other stores. Not sure how bad I feel for this guy.

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#16.1 former chicagoan

I agree, that’s exactly what I was thinking. Currency exchanges have them for the same price as the mail order.

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#17 Pappy

The “fuck you” guy? He has SIX outstanding tickets (all for “overtime meter parking”), so, no, fuck HIM.

https://indy.paycitations.com/cit/index.aspx

In my city, you get the boot after 3 tickets. He should be counting his blessings that he hasn’t been towed.

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#17.1 Woman on the Verge

Pappy, I thumbed you just because you actually looked that up! Well done!

Dec 3, 2010 at 12:14 pm rating: 5
#17.2 pony girl

Yeah, and all of them have been doubled because he didn’t pay in a timely manner.
Although, I guess if someone can’t take the time to put money in their meter in a timely manner, they’re probably aren’t going to pay the fine on time either.

Dec 3, 2010 at 7:19 pm rating: 3

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#18 sduck

Here in L.A., some of the parking signs are so complicated (sometimes even several signs that appear to conflict with each other), it’s hard to know if you’re parking legally or not. In theory, I don’t have a problem with the city fining people for illegal parking. But they need to make the rules simple enough that you don’t need a college-level logic course to understand the signs.

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#19 Jim U.

Yes, they can be a scam. I love it when the tiny sign explaining the rules is hidden behind a tree so you can’t see it . . . that’s a favorite in Sacramento, where I once lived.

Dec 3, 2010 at 1:18 pm rating: 8 small thumbs up

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#20 Bromley Lippincott

Meh. I am unimpressed. When I lived in Princeton, NJ, a town fabulously famous for its “Don’t break the rules” attitude, I had the misfortune of coming back by train from New York City in the wee hours of the morning. I drove back from the train station to discover that Princeton had had about 17 inches of snow. Parking on the street at night is strictly disallowed, but when I attempted to drive up the driveway to the apartment I was renting, I, of course, could not drive through 17 inches of snow. (My old beat up Chevy was hardy in snow, but not that hardy.) I had to leave my car on the main street. Of course, I received a ticket the next morning. Because illegal acts of parking are not allowed even during Acts of God situations.

But suck it up. Every town and city has its own dysfunctional parking laws.

Dec 3, 2010 at 2:12 pm rating: 5 small thumbs up

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#20.1 ashmeadow

Just so you know, the meters there think 1 minute =45 seconds.

Dec 3, 2010 at 9:34 pm rating: 0

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#21 Kurtis

Is it just me, or are all three of those written in nearly the same handwriting? I bet a graphologist and psychologist could have a field day with that concept.

Dec 3, 2010 at 4:08 pm rating: 1 small thumbs up

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#22 Canthz_B bang

If you’re not paying for this commercial, I hope your comment is stricken from the record.

This is PAN, not Craig’s List.

What the heck, I also hope you’re stricken by some hideous disease.

Dec 3, 2010 at 11:25 pm rating: 2 small thumbs up

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#23 Canthz_B bang

The job of Parking Authority personnel is to address the offense while it’s in progress. Not walk away and give you a chance to come back to your car.

Would you be happy if a police officer watched you getting mugged, but did nothing on the off-chance the mugger decided to bring your watch and wallet back?

Can’t you just hear a promptly caught mugger saying:

“But Officer, I only robbed that guy two minutes ago. I was only a thief for two minutes!
Besides, it’s not fair that you didn’t give me a twenty minute grace period to escape!”

Dec 3, 2010 at 11:34 pm rating: 2 small thumbs up

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#23.1 WMDKitty

And yet, I have yet to see a single illegally-parked jackass taking up an accessible parking spot…

Dec 4, 2010 at 10:10 pm rating: 0
#23.2 Canthz_B

Probably because most people don’t park there when they aren’t supposed to.
Maybe because you can’t be in all places, at all times, despite your belief in your own omnipotence.
Signs that clearly state $250.00 fine are a good deterrent. Most other parking fines are a complete surprise to the offender.
Some people have designated plates, some have dashboard or mirror placards.

Just because you don’t see their designation, doesn’t mean the car is illegally parked…or are you one of those Nazis that inspects every car parked in handicapped spaces? My mom often forgets to put her handicapped placard on her mirror, but an officer can see it inside on the center console. Do you inspect each car like they do before they issue a citation?

Dec 4, 2010 at 11:07 pm rating: 2
#23.3 WMDKitty

I don’t know where you live, but up here it’s a fucking epidemic.

I’m aware of the license plate/placard options. And well aware of the law regarding use. Plus, I’ve seen perfectly healthy people abusing the placard because they have a disabled relative (who is conveniently nowhere in sight). I’ve seen people who are obese but mobile misuse them — seriously, the extra exercise would do ‘em good, anyway. I’ve seen expecting mothers and new mothers take them because they have kids and it’s SOOOO hard being a parent.

It’s even worse in holiday shopping season: nobody is even aware of where they’re parking, just that there’s an open space….

Dec 5, 2010 at 1:11 am rating: 3
#23.4 Canthz_B

Just who are you to decide who happens to be “perfectly healthy” without knowing the reason the placard was issued?
You don’t have to have a visually obvious handicap.

My late wife (rest in peace Celeste) had handicapped plates because of a respiratory ailment, she could go short spurts without her oxygen at one point in the beginning, like a quick stop at 7-11, and frequently did. But she couldn’t walk a major supermarket.

You would probably have cussed her out because she didn’t LOOK disabled to you!

Mind your place and try not to be a bitch. Some people have shit inside them you cannot see!

Dec 5, 2010 at 2:28 am rating: 11
#23.5 anglophile

I prefer not to see the shit inside people, that’s for sure!

Dec 5, 2010 at 11:08 am rating: 2
#23.6 Divvitar

I second Canthz B. I have a disabled placard myself (and am currently on SSD). I have severe chronic pain caused by herniated discs and osteo-arthritis. There are days when I can hardly walk around my house, let alone tromp through the crowds at the supermarket. Every once in a while, I have a good day, and I’ll usually not use my placard on those days. I just get really pissed off at the fucks that park in the handicapped spaces at my youngest son’s school that don’t have a disabled permit.

Dec 6, 2010 at 1:39 am rating: 6
#23.7 The Elf

I get the invisible disability think, which is why I don’t confront, but I personally know of two non-disabled people who used a placard just to get closer parking. In both cases, the placard was issued to a disabled person, but that person was not with them when they used it. So when I see someone that looks healthy get out of a vehicle with a handicapped placard or plate, I’m suspicious. I suspect this is a common practice and a largely unenforceable one.

Dec 9, 2010 at 7:56 am rating: 2

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#24 Madrias

I’m sorry, if you’re too stupid to make sure you feed the meter, you deserve the ticket. That, and don’t think you’ll get away with illegal parking.

To the parking enforcement, why don’t you guys start busting people who double park and sit in the fire lanes in parking lots.

Dec 4, 2010 at 1:03 am rating: 5 small thumbs up

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#24.1 WMDKitty

And the people who park in the fucking handicapped spaces WITHOUT A FUCKING PERMIT!

NO, you CANNOT park there “for just five minutes.” I don’t CARE if you were dumb enough to crap out four kids in four years, YOU CAN’T PARK THERE, and your kids could probably use the exercise, walking from the back of the lot. And NO, you cannot park there if the disabled person isn’t getting out of the car — that’s cheating. NO, “FATASS” is NOT a disability, go on a diet and you’ll be able to breathe. PREGNANCY is not a disability; no matter HOW you got there, you CHOSE to carry to term. Own it.

TL;DR — GET OUT OF MY PARKING SPACE.

Dec 4, 2010 at 10:17 pm rating: 4
#24.2 Canthz_B

Wow…just, wow! Does anyone qualify if they’re not as disabled as you happen to think they need to be, Dr. WMDKitty?
I’ve never seen EVERY designated handicapped space taken. Just park in an open one.
Where do you park if all of the handicapped spaces are taken by properly designated vehicles? Or do you just sit in your car foaming at the mouth in fury until someone moves?
Some people say they don’t want to be treated special because of their disabilities…until someone steps on their special privileges that is.
You can’t lobby for special accommodations, receive them, defend them, and then say you don’t have special needs.
Isn’t handicapped parking a special need? Didn’t you say a few threads ago that you were against being labeled a “special needs” person?
Then stop bitching about parking spaces closest to the door, in fact, you should be fighting against them, not shouting “GET OUT OF MY PARKING SPACE.”

Dec 4, 2010 at 10:50 pm rating: 6
#24.3 WMDKitty

I have seen them all occupied, about half with a parking tag (or special license plate), the other half lazy slobs who can’t be arsed to walk an extra ten yards or so. Most of whom aren’t even morbidly obese — just on the porky side. A good portion of the time, they have small children with them, and “can’t” control them, so to keep them from running into traffic, they “have to” park there.

Assuring that everyone can access a location isn’t “catering to special needs” nor is it “special accommodations”. It’s required by law, and you’re goddamn right I’m gonna be upset when my RIGHTS are violated.

I don’t much mind being different to others, I just hate wishy-washy P.C. euphemisms such as “special needs”. I didn’t ask to be disabled, I’m just asking to be treated like a goddamn human being, instead of some twisted idol of “inspiration” for daring to be a fairly functional adult with a disability. After all, we’re supposed to be hidden away, shipped off to an institution and forgotten, because we’re not really people…. *gag*

All I want is my goddamn parking space so I can do my damn holiday shopping, but I guess that extra foot or so of space I need to get into my chair is just too much to ask.

Dec 5, 2010 at 1:04 am rating: 3
#24.4 WMDKitty

By the way, some of the things I listed — you can’t use the placard if the disabled person is not entering, exiting, (or even in) the car, placard must be in plain sight, you can’t park there without a placard — are part of the law, thx.

Dec 5, 2010 at 1:06 am rating: 2
#24.5 Canthz_B

It’s only required by law that handicapped spaces be designated and placed close to the entrances because that’s the law the handicapped lobbied for.
They didn’t lobby for a block of spaces in the middle of the parking lot, or in the back. Be treated like every other human being who has to find a space in the back during the crowded holiday shopping season if that’s all you want. Lobby for extra handicapped parking in the rear next time extra handicapped parking is proposed…so you can traverse that long distance just like everyone else. Heck, you’d probably get twice as many handicapped-reserved spaces if they were in the center or rear, rather than in the very front anyway.
But you won’t…because you want to have your cake and eat it too. Over “just another ten yards or so”? Heck, you have no special needs, you should be able to suck up “just another ten yards or so” too, right?

It IS catering to a special need. Your special need that there be no curb, for example. The rest of us don’t need that. It’s there for your special need for a smooth surface and for no other reason. The rest of us don’t need ramps, they are the to accommodate your special need.
BTW, you act as if these spaces always existed. They did not. In order to create them, spaces were taken from the rest of us. Spaces WE used to have a RIGHT to.

They don’t get a placard simply because they are obese. I think there has to be a qualifying respiratory, cardiovascular, ambulatory or back related condition.
Unless and until you are prepared to, and qualified to diagnose everyone who doesn’t present an obvious disability to you, I’d suggest you slow your roll.

Speaking of your roll, if you happen to be in a wheelchair, why wouldn’t extra wide spaces at the BACK of the parking lot suffice? I mean, you have wheels…it’s not like you’d have to WALK the whole parking lot to get to the door.
Just roll your ass down the parking lot.
A woman with a high-risk pregnancy deserves as much respect as a person with CP, no?

I always laugh when I’m in a huge warehouse store, and there’s someone way the fuck at the far end from the front door in a wheelchair…because I know they got to park way the fuck closer to the door than me because (supposedly) they cannot travel very far! ROTFLMAO!!

Yes, I know where the placard should be, by law. So do the cops…still, they have the courtesy, if not the responsibility, to look inside before issuing a citation.
You have no responsibility to enforce the parking laws. You’re far more possessive of a handicapped spot you’re not using, that is occupied by a non-qualified vehicle, than the average person not looking for a parking space would be of a space occupied by someone parked at an expired meter, that I wonder about your sanity.

People like you look for a cop so you can point out the offender. Most folks don’t seek out the authorities to point out an illegally parked car.

If you want to be treated like everyone else, try acting like them.

Dec 5, 2010 at 1:27 am rating: 6
#24.6 Canthz_B

You sound like the mother of two who makes $10,000 a year, who says that another mother of two who makes $13,000 a year isn’t REALLY poor.

Hell, that’s like me taking advantage of Affirmative Action legislation, but not admitting I’m Black…then saying that light-skinned Blacks shouldn’t get any because they aren’t as dark as me!

You have special needs. Society has passed laws to accommodate your special needs. You take full advantage of your special needs accommodations. You defend your RIGHTS to your special accommodations citing the law.
But you cannot admit you have special needs

Dec 5, 2010 at 1:55 am rating: 2
#24.7 anglophile

Um, WMDKitty, obese ≠ lazy.

Just thought you ought to know.

Dec 5, 2010 at 11:18 am rating: 6
#24.8 Mishka

WMDKitty,

I’m not sure what your disability is, but I am one of the people in the world where mine isn’t obvious. I have Lupus, and I am one of the people with a handicap sticker that is “fat.” I would like to point out that I’m not fat due to laziness, genetics, etc. I am fat due to the crapload of Prednisone I have to take every day. Until I started it I’d been a beanpole all of my life.
Just keep in mind that you never know what someone is going through. Since you’re disabled I’m sure you’re probably bitter, I know I was and still am sometimes. It’s better to give someone the benefit of the doubt.

Dec 5, 2010 at 3:24 pm rating: 8
#24.9 oi

I think world is out to get wmdkitty, she is the “chosen one”. Each and every able bodied person keeps watch on her schedule so just they can illegally hoard the parking spaces when she goes to store. Especially pregnant mothers and obese people, women get pregnant just so that they can steal her parking spot and obese people do not exercise so they have an excuse to steal her parking spot. What’s more, even people are out there to get her “special need requiring self’s” parking spot they also think her as a “some twisted idol of “inspiration” for daring to be a fairly functional adult with a disability”
Wow! wmdkitty, could you please change earth’s rotation to make day and night of same length all year round? You, after all, are axis of the earth’s rotation.

Dec 5, 2010 at 4:53 pm rating: 8
#24.10 Mishka

Another thing to think about is people with skin cancer or diseases that cause photosensitivity (like Lupus). I can be out in direct sunlight for less than a minute before I get the lovely butterfly rash, then the lupus flares up.
As for the “fat” people with breathing problems: most people with poor lung function are put on prednisone. Prednisone will make *anyone* fat. Anyone. You can’t get around it, believe me I’ve tried.
There’s lots of other disabilities out there that I’m not familiar with that aren’t recognizable by sight. I think it’s sad that someone with a disability could be so heartless and uncaring about the difficulties others face in this world. I think you need a therapist or someone to talk to, since you seem to have issues.

Dec 5, 2010 at 8:45 pm rating: 4
#24.11 April

Actually pregnancy can be a disability. Just saying. Mine was yet I was never offered a handicapped placard. I was put on strict bedrest meaning I could only get up to potty or go to doctor’s appointments but still no front parking space. The walk into the hospital alone could have started my preterm labor again.

Thank God for my stepdad and his handicapped placard and the fact that my mother rented a wheelchair to push me around in. Not to mention my stomach was covered in bruises from my blood thinner shots I had to take and that the babies were pushing on my lungs so bad I was having oxygen saturation issues.

This is one of my triggers, but YES some pregnancies are extremely fragile and difficult and do make you temporarily disabled. I was not off trotting around shopping, I just needed to go to my prenatal checkups without babies falling out of me till I got to 36 weeks. I think that qualifies as fairly disabled.

Dec 6, 2010 at 9:40 pm rating: 3
#24.12 Canthz_B

I thought of this thread yesterday, and felt quite guilty.
We have a men’s room at my job which contains but one toilet stall.
It’s a handicapped stall.
As I contentedly moved my bowels, I began to wish I’d have used the other men’s room…the one with four stalls, only one handicapped equipped. I wondered what I’d do if a handicapped man rolled in while I was parked there in the middle of doing my “business”.

All satisfaction of a crap well-laid was lost, but I quickly got over it…because no wheelchair-bound men work in my office!

Dec 7, 2010 at 1:13 am rating: 2
#24.13 Canthz_B

WMDKitty, you have no clue what it’s like to search for a parking spot in a crowded lot, think you see one, begin to pull in, only to see it’s a handicapped spot no one is using but you can’t either and must continue the search. What it’s like to find the only vacant spot way in the back, and walk past six or seven unused handicapped spaces on your way in from the nether regions of the parking lot in the middle of holiday shopping season.

It kinda makes us hate you a little inside, but that’s a transitory feeling we know better than to have.

Y’all know I ain’t lying, just keepin’ it real!

Dec 7, 2010 at 7:43 am rating: 1
#24.14 The Elf

When I drove my disabled grandmother around, I sometimes couldn’t find handicapped parking spaces and had to double park to help her out and then race to find a new space and then race back to accompany her. Loads of fun!

When it’s just us healthy folks, I seek out those parking spaces waaaaaay in the back of the lot. I want to park where the likelihood of someone dinging my car or bike is minimized. What I hate is after going through all that effort I sometimes see a car parked immediately next to mine when I exit. There’s lots of other spaces, closer spaces, to choose from but they chose mine. Oddly, they are usually minivans or SUVs, frequently with kid-oriented stickers or window shades. Over the years I’m betting these are dads who are driving a mom-mobile but really want that sweet motorcycle or low sportscar I’m driving. They park next to me because they want coolness by osmosis or something. When I drive my beat-up old truck and park in those same places, I don’t get people parking next to me like that! (Suits me; that truck doesn’t have power steering and has a full size bed so I’d like the extra room to turn it out of the lot.)

Dec 9, 2010 at 8:03 am rating: 0

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#25 paranoidandroid

again, all this parking ticketing maddness makes me glad i live in the outer suburbs of Perth where i have a driveway and no need to have 3000 cars vying for a space on the kerb in front of my house! I have seen how bad it gets tho, the inner city suburbs, like Subiaco, East Perth etc are a nightmare to park in and a lot of the rangers (council rangers do the ticketing in australia) are very quick to give tickets.

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#25.1 WMDKitty

Sounds like the Aussie version of Seattle…

Dec 4, 2010 at 10:18 pm rating: 0
#25.2 Divvitar

Seattle is awful for parking; not just lack for lack of spaces, but it’s EXPENSIVE. I consider myself fortunate to find a spot within 1/2 mile of SAFECO Field that is under $15. Downtown is just as bad, with all of the one-way streets and limited spaces, but I usually end up shelling out $12-$20 to park in a garage somewhere. It’s better now since the elevated rail goes to most of the “hot spots.”

Dec 6, 2010 at 1:54 am rating: 0
#25.3 phone to call when booted

this is so bad that we have become so into self. we don’t care about each other. it only gose to show why we need parking rules. when i get a call from one of you self made bitchs. it’s never about what you did wrong, but it’s the peo problem. you call in hope of that person ending up with out a job. i never got a ticket, someone was driving my car. well i been booted and someone was driving my car. i let that person do it by giving them my keys. now i don’t let anyone drive my car. i get crying yelling, people say their mother just died. only to have her call to make payment for them. i get kids calling yelling at their mother or father who is making payment for them. the kids is talking to them so bad because of the tickets the a** got. if we all take time to think about all the people that have nonething. but they get up and give thanx to god for what they do have. i don’t like getting tickets so i read the sign, if i did not see the sign i still don’t call and yell at the person that answer. i go to court. stop being a a** just own what you did. give all people respect. think of what god is thinking about you. make better kids that know right from wrong. not that i’am to good or so much better then everyone because my mother or father showed me how to be a a**. for your kids will be the ones that get someone to kill you, if they don’t do it their self. listen to or read the news. my father alway said what ever will go wrong, you let it happen by what you did.

Dec 6, 2010 at 3:45 pm rating: 0
#25.4 Canthz_B

OOF! So much to say, so little space!

Dec 7, 2010 at 12:57 am rating: 0

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#26 this is laugable

Canthz B. You seem to have so much free time to read and response to this blog. I’ve some suggested readings for you, I hope you will read all of them to educate yourself:

http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2009/09-0728_rpt_cao_3-31-09.pdf

http://la.streetsblog.org/2009/04/15/lessons-from-chicago-what-could-happen-to-parking-in-la/#more-2010

http://www.scottforchicago.com/pdf/32ndWardParkingMeterPrivatizationAssessment.pdf

http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2009/09-0728_rpt_cao_3-31-09.pdf

http://www.ivt.ethz.ch/vpl/publications/reports/v025.pdf

And a book called “Some theoretical aspects of road traffic research” Proceedings Institute of Civil Engineers

You will notice that academic, policy and city research from civil engineers and economists who had assessed the long-term effects of parking meters tend to agree that parking meter does not improve the parking efficiency overall.

If you read between the lines and the data of the reports, it is clear that the argument (especially reports from the cities) normally goes back about the revenue instead of efficiency for public goods.

All in all, parking meters supporter claims to create 1) efficiency 2) jobs 3) revenue. All of those are dismissed.

Since parking meters really under public entities don’t statically (significant) improve the efficiency of traffic flow nor safety, that begs to the question of the original policy intent. So in effect, implementation and enforcement of parking meters are wasteful activities.

In particular, jobs created under park meters are essentially the Batiast’s Broken Window Fallacy: someone breaks a window, so a business or the community has to hire people to clear up the mess. Job created? Yes. Is this job really increased the welfare of the society? No.

That person would probably contribute to the society by actually engage in productive activities that are valued-added to other members of societies and society as a whole.

Dec 10, 2010 at 12:34 pm rating: 1 small thumbs up

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#26.1 Canthz_B

I said “one of the purposes” of parking meters was to encourage turnover. I said the money was nice (not that it wasn’t one of the reasons they’re there), just that it’s not paying a significant part of anyone’s budget when compared to sales taxes.
I also said “That’s how the world works when everyone plays by the rules…”

I never claimed it works in actuality (because not everyone will ever play by the rules, nice caveat, huh? Gotta be careful what you claim around here, because some asshole of a nerd will always look it up), nor that I support them.

I was referring to the theory, even gave an example of how it’s supposed to work in theory. Now, if you sell parking meters, and you run my scenario past the City Council and the Chamber of Commerce, you’re gonna sell some meters.
Because greed outweighs statistics, and they’ll convince themselves they can produce legislation which will maximize the “potential” you just sold them.
For the record, I don’t mind them. They’re a great deal as opposed to a pay-to-park lot.

Thanks for confirming that the theory of the parking meter making for more efficient traffic flow/parking is in fact a real theory. One studied by civil engineers, et.al.
I’d hate for anyone to think I was blowing smoke out my ass, and I’m glad I gave you a nice little project to delve into for your amusement. Guess you had some free time on your hands.

Thanks for the invitation to educate myself (I presume you meant about parking meters, but then, I’m an assuming SOB), but the subject is a bit too boring for my tastes.

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