Please stop feeding the homeless

December 8th, 2010 · 247 comments

Now, our submitter Kenny doesn’t want to you to get the wrong idea about his buddy Lamar. Yes, Lamar drives an old church van, but he works at a piercing parlor — he’s not the kind of rabble-rouser who’d go around doing things like, say, “feeding the hungry.”

Apparently, however, one of Lamar’s neighbors in the Little Five Points neighborhood of Atlanta saw the van and concluded otherwise — leaving behind this disapproving note for him to meditate on.

PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE HOMELESS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU ARE DOING HARM TO Those of us Who live here. Take it to your on backyard. Thank you + Please —

related: Find somewhere else to sleep and piss

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FILED UNDER: Atlanta · heartwarming compassion · irregular capitalization · mistaken identity · NIMBY · pleasantries as afterthought · questionable logic · the homeless · there goes the neighborhood · WTF?

247 responses so far ↓

  • #1   L

    Maybe they could set up a tent in the backyard for the homeless too.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 9:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   Mace Elaine

      But then they’d have a home and no longer be considered ‘homeless’ and we’d have to stop feeding them.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.2   Sharon bang

      My Dad (with his enormous beer gut) was appraoched by someone asking for a few dollars & he replied “No! you’ll just go & spend it on alcohol”. I reminded him that he spends his money on exactly the same thing.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.3   eyehearta2

      …of course, your dad isn’t asking anyone for the money though, is he? As you pointed out, it is HIS money.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 8:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #2   lagne

    Sigh. What kind of douchy person has such a small life that they have time to dig out pen and paper for this crap? Leave it in your OWN toilet, note-writer.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 9:07 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #3   QuikLives

    At what point did we stop giving a damn about other people at all?

    Dec 8, 2010 at 9:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   sleeps

      I think it really got off to a roll during this whole Health Care debacle. That’s when people really started to blatantly say, “Fuck the other guy, I like my insurance how it is.”

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.2   Grouch

      Let me guess, sleep, you currently don’t have insurance and believe some stranger should pay for it.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.3   GhostWriter bang

      I would then guess, Grouch, that you currently don’t have insurance either, because you believe that everybody should fully pay for their own medical services.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 3:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.4   sleeps

      Guess again, Grouch. I have amazing, “Cadillac” coverage. I just think the system is broke after working with uninsured and Medicare/Medicaid individuals day after day.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 5:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.5   The Elf

      I’d say it was when other people pissed in the courtyard.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 11:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #4   Black Market Beagle

    Fuck you, douche-bag. People are not stray cats. They are fucking people. Douche.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 9:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   Mike

      Hell, the note writer would probably feed stray cats.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #4.2   DhSoj

      This time of year always puts me in the giving mood. I think I am going to take a page from your books this year. Instead of dropping my change in the bell clnger buckets, I am going to feed all the stray cats on my block for the rest of the month.

      They at least are more human than the homeless I meet.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #4.3   slythwolf

      “They at least are more human than the homeless I meet.”

      Seriously? Wow. How come you call them cats then?

      Dec 10, 2010 at 2:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #4.4   clumber

      Any chance Dhsoj is just being ‘hip’ circa 1960s? Maybe also calls his/her boss “Daddy-O” and such?

      }crickets chirping and tumbleweeds rolling{

      Well okay then, no. Just a dilrod then. Carry on.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 2:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #5   aa

    ugh this is so completely disgraceful. this person should be ashamed. i hope they see this

    Dec 8, 2010 at 9:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   Mama

      If the person wants to invite the homeless into their house, fine. But they are going to someone else’s neighborhood, likely to make sure they don’t get people hanging out near THEIR house.
      There is a group in my town who decides they are doing good work by setting up shop on a sidewalk and handing out sandwiches. The refuse to listen to anyone asking that they move a few blocks away. The reason people were asking them to move is because there is a group home for young girls 2 houses away, and some of the homeless men were sex offenders who were luring them into prostitution, or getting them to a secluded place to rape them.
      If you want to feed the homeless, fine. Volunteer your time and supplies to a shelter or soup kitchen in your area.

      Dec 12, 2010 at 2:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.2   Odious

      Please cite the source for the sandwich-rape case.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 9:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.3   Sed bang

      I was wondering why Quiznos started offering GHB as a sandwich topping.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 7:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.4   janey

      @5.2 – oh yes, because we all know that if there isn’t a clicky link on the internet somewhere, than the statement MUST be false, right? *sigh*

      I agree with the OP.. try living or working in the north part of downtown Sacramento .. up near the “Loaves & Fishes” camp. Homeless people (some with serious mental issues) wandering around everywhere.
      Fact is, most of us do not want that.

      Jan 3, 2011 at 1:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #6   MisterDNA

    If I lived anywhere near these asswipes, I’d go around to all the busy intersections in the area offering the “Will Work For Food” people 10 bucks and a hot meal to toilet paper the shit out of their house.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 9:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #7   El Jefe

    Apparently, you people have never had to deal with the homeless. They’re worse than stray dogs or cats. You can give them a couple bucks and meal one day and the next they’ll smash your car window out to get your ashtray change.

    F the homeless.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 9:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   Kat a falling star bang

      Yeah, fuck those people for being so desperate for what you consider spare change that they would do that.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 9:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.2   ninja

      sometimes people bust windows and steal change just to piss off a major ass.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 9:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.3   Stan

      Change? Got any change?

      Oh no! Now I have no money! If I could just get back some of the change I gave you….change? Got any change?

      How many homeless people can you jump?

      Dec 8, 2010 at 9:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.4   lagne

      Dear El Jefe,

      I would bust out your fucking car windows with glee, and I have a home.


      Dec 8, 2010 at 9:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.5   El Jefe

      By your rationale that means that I shouldn’t be allowed to expect other people to respect my property.

      You two are fucking pathetic. I hope every good deed you do in life is met with something equally as bad in return.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 9:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.6   Danny

      Man, who’d think that people too lazy / mentally ill / lazy to find legitimate income would possibly do bad stuff. I’d expect the nuts / unmotivated to be more civilized. Of course I want them camping out in front of my house and harassing me every day while I try to remain non-homeless; they’d surely help me out if they had anything extra (and were not crazy).

      Dec 8, 2010 at 9:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.7   wonderman

      “you’re gonna miss everything cool and die angry.” -patton oswalt

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.8   Burris

      I don’t have a problem with the homeless. Douchebags and trolls, on the other hand – well, I am reluctant to feed *them.*

      I would sympathize more with the note-writer if he’d asked people to stop giving *money* to the homeless, since there are as many fake beggars as there are real ones, but food? Seriously? I give out gift cards to local grocery stores, as well as resource books.

      It’s like this: I’ll do what I want with my money while on public rights-of-way, giving it away or keeping it to myself as I please, and self-important douchebags like the letter writer can go jump in the nearest lake.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.9   Canthz_B bang

      El Jefe, not to put too fine a point on it, but if you see a homeless person, and you have “spare” change in your car, why not give them your “spare” change?
      You can spare it, they need it, and it’s just plain nice to do. Besides, if you think they’ll smash your car windows to get at it, it would be the prudent thing to do as well, no?

      No wonder you have to F the homeless, those folks will do anything for 50¢, no one else will have you and that’s about what you’re worth.

      If you can’t spare it, you may be closer to being one of the homeless than you’d like to think.

      All “Canthz_B” aside,
      Only a small-minded person doesn’t realize that the greatest gift is to be fortunate enough to be in a position to help others.
      Only an egotist believes he’s gotten where he is in life without the help of others.

      Signed, ‘CF’…the person, not the persona.

      PS edit: CF hopes you grow as a person.
      CB hopes you contract an illness, lose your job and home, land in the streets, choke on a bullshit sandwich, and die immediately.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.10   J.

      It’s not so much “the homeless” that are busting your windows for change… It’s the drug addicts. Trust me… we’ve had the change stolen in our car enough times to know it’s not the only homeless guy in town ;)

      Give the hobos a fair shake, yo.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.11   ammali

      I know people are attacking you for this post, but I’m guessing none of those people live in an area that has people doing this kind of thing on a regular basis. While I agree that these people do need help, and I have given money to them on occasion (as well as giving to local charities regularly), we’re all struggling these days, and I don’t deserve to get my car broken into or mugged or my purse or jacket stolen just because of the fact that I managed to acquire them.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:57 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.12   Rebekah

      Teenagers will bust your car window for change too, and whatever else you have in there. Should their parents stop feeding them? Stop it at the source? Food leads to crime?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.13   lagne

      “I know people are attacking you for this post, but I’m guessing none of those people live in an area that has people doing this kind of thing on a regular basis.”


      You’re guessing wrong.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.14   bellabeastie

      Going waay back to 7.9… CB, you hit it dead-on. Well-spoken, well-said. When did most of society lose the sense of charity? It’s an opportunity to give back. And it seems everyone is missing the point.. this dude is just driving his van back and forth to work.. I’m sure he’s a nice guy who would feed the homeless if he could, but my guess is he’s going to work every day to pay his rent and feed himself (or his family/cat/whoever)..

      Team Notewriter is an Asshat. Lucky for him he doesn’t live in my neighborhood.. want to talk about “doing harm”..

      Dec 9, 2010 at 10:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.15   scaarykitty

      Umm…what the hell kind of naive fool still leaves valuables – even change – on display in their car? “I think I’ll leave these tempting items right where any passing person can see and leave. What? Someone smashed my window in and took my tempting trifles? How unexpected!”.

      Seriously, if you don’t ever go outside, you don’t need a car in the first place. Welcome to the 21st century, we actually have crime here.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 11:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.16   johnnyboy

      I am “blessed” for living in a city with very little violent crime, but a hell of a lot of minor property crime. I’ve had my car stolen, wallet taken from work, apartement burglarized twice, etc… I’ll spare you the details, but I have good evidence that in all of these instances, the thieves were NOT the homeless people in the area, but middle class crooks whom you’d probably think were the salt of the earth if you met them at a bar. The homeless sleep in your doorway, squeegee your windshield and ask for change, which are all pretty fucking minor nuisances, compared to the real damage that comes from the “normal-looking” people, addicted to drugs or gambling or just out for a free ride.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.17   Citrico

      The last person who stole shit from my garage wasn’t homeless. In fact, of all the people I know who had stuff get stolen, none of the suspects were homeless. I know someone whose kid’s toys were continually stolen by this one little girl, and when they went to get them back, they saw their recently purloined TV in the living room.

      Giving to the homeless doesn’t mean that theives are more likely to exist.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 3:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.18   DhSoj

      In this area, their are very few innocent homeless. ALMOST everyone one of them is scumbag suck your d*ck for coke, crack heads.

      Except the one I met while in college, him and his bull dog (which wears a bandanna and sunglasses all the time) are awesome. I actually creeped on him once when he left his spot. He went to the nearst CVS and bought a big flat of nothing but dog food.

      I hope it was all for the dog.

      The rest will F’n cut you for your change.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 4:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.19   Canthz_B bang

      Anyone who will hustle to wash your windshield for a little change is not a thief. That’s an honest, hard-working person.

      Anyone who will spend the day standing in basically the same spot shaking a paper cup at passersby asking for their spare change, isn’t a thief. That’s a beggar.

      Drug addicts don’t do either of those things…because drug addicts are thieves.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 5:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.20   JetJackson

      Agree with CB. Drug addicts are thieves.

      I had all my drugs stolen the other day and I was pissed off! Bloody drug addicts!

      Dec 9, 2010 at 6:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.21   KarenW

      1. How do you know it was a homeless person who did it?
      2. Don’t leave spare change in your ashtray, dumbass.

      Dec 11, 2010 at 4:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #8   Alissa H.

    I wouldn’t feel safe if there were homeless people roaming my neighborhood, and I would not let my kids play outside. Theres a lot of crazy homeless people out there who do horrible things. It’s good to feed the homeless, just do it in a homeless neighborhood and not in a safe family neighborhood.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 10:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   TaylorR

      What exactly does “family” have to do with a neighbourhood being “safe”? What if you’re in an area with lots of young childless unmarried couples? Does that make it unsafe?

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.2   Danny

      I regularly kick other people’s children because I have none of my own. Just for the record.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.3   Sarah

      What exactly constitutes a homeless neighborhood? Is that not a wholly oxymoronic phrase? You mean a Hooverville? How many of those still exist?

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.4   Risha

      “A homeless neighborhood”? What is that, a tent city?

      Oh, wait, you just mean a neighborhood where people with less money then you live. How silly of me. (Did you know, many of them have the gall to actually raise families there? Shameful.)

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.5   SP

      I was wondering the same thing.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.6   lagne


      Are you aware that there are plenty of crazy people who live in houses and tend their rose bushes ten feet from your front door, too? I’m sure Jeffrey Dahmer’s neighbors let their kids play outside. Why let your kids out of the house at all?

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.7   Canthz_B bang

      Alissa is the woman they interview on the evening news about the murder-suicide next door who says, “That kind of thing doesn’t happen here.”

      It happens everywhere, Alissa. More in the places where it doesn’t happen.

      There weren’t very many homeless attending Columbine High School, and that community is about as affluent as they come…so it must have been rock music, not fucked up “families”.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.8   ammali

      @TaylorR: A childless couple *is* a family. (And we enjoy it!)

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.9   Mister M.

      Alissa, L5P isn’t exactly a kid friendly neighborhood of Atlanta. The corner of Moreland and Euclid, on the square, has tons of homeless people there all day.

      I live in Atlanta. Near L5P, actually. I already give people down there (the real homeless people, not those dirty, trust fund train hopping kids who have more than I do, but chose to beg and smell bad) change and food when I have it. Karma, people.

      And now, I’ll just do it more often because I know someone down there is a total dick about it.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.10   April

      I have to agree with Ammali. I never hand out money to beggars period. I don’t know if they are actually needy since many people scam and appear needy and make lots of money of it. I also don’t want them using it for drugs or alcohol or prostitutes. I will direct them to a nearby shelter or get them food and bring it back to them. The few times I have offered that I was refused. They wanted the money.

      Also a police officer I know told me to never give them money. Makes more work for them when they have to deal with them being high later. Also he said if you open your purse or wallet to hand them money sometimes they go ahead and hold you up and take the whole wallet or purse. I take his advice.

      I donate to legitimate charities so the money is spent responsibly and they have to account for how the money is spent. That way I KNOW the little extra money I have to give to charity is REALLY making a difference.

      I don’t think everyone should jump on him. Some of what he says is very true. I don’t care how little you have. You have no right to steal from me. Period. I work for the little I have and I damn well have every right to keep it.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.11   April

      Wanted to add my husband would get asked for money everyday on his way to work. It got so bad that one even chased him across the street one time when he told her “Not today sorry”. He did hand out money a few times but then they would just wait on him everyday as he went into work. Sorry we don’t have that kind of money to give out everyday. So if you do give them money, they very well might be encouraged to hang around.

      We also had one telling my husband some lie about needing money for a cab to get to the hospital for a job interview blah blah blah. My husband gave him some. A couple months later, same guy, same exact story. So obviously it was not the truth.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.12   pony girl

      I live in a safe, family neighborhood in (way)south Austin.
      We have a homeless house on the street behind mine. It is a short-term and long-term stay. It is for homeless men. They can’t have any drugs/alcohol and can’t be intoxicated, can’t drink/do drugs on the sidewalk or whatever, in fact they are not allowed to loiter. they can stay at the house and in the yard, but are not allowed to hang out in the street like the punk kids 3 houses over.
      I never hear a PEEP out of these homeless guys, I hardly ever see them, and when I do, they are walking to the bus stop, and they keep to themselves or give a shy, friendly hello.
      I never see any of them begging anywhere near here, at all, ever.
      We also have a homeless permanent housing apartment 2 blocks away.
      Same thing.
      No loud parties, no dogs barking 24/7, no dogs pooping in other people’s yards, no loitering, no sitting out in their car with their stereo blasting while picking up their girlfriend or whatever.

      These guys are great neighbors. Both of these homeless places are run by non-profits and are for homeless men.
      I’m a woman who lives alone and have never felt threatened by any of them.
      These guys are not going to cause problems in this neighborhood, because they want to live here.
      Whether they go to other neighborhoods to panhandle or wreak havoc, I don’t know, but they sure don’t do it here.
      All of you NIMBY people may want to think about that.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 1:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.13   oi

      I think what really got to people is note writer’s shameless apathy. No that is not accurate. It is not just shameless but self righteous and in your face immorality of the note writer. NW does not do good work but somebody who is doing it he tries to portray them as bad guys! What’s more shocking that people are defending the NW.
      Don’t get me wrong, I am neither the volunteer worker at local community nor I gave my change every single time at safe way. I am just run of the mill common man. I will give donation if I am feeling like it. That is all my necessities are fulfilled or I am feeling grateful for my fortune or I see a homeless and happen to have enough change to offer. Once I saw homeless guy and I gave him a spare dollar I had and he threw it back to me, telling me it is not enough. (That incident has not stopped me from giving other homeless persons either)What I am trying to say is I am not on any kind of pedestal and I am aware that not all the homeless are some noble minded people who just happen to have dirty appearance. I still abhor NW for his self righteous apathy. I might not be helping others at every second of my life but I sure as hell won’t be an obstacle when others are helping poor. If some other is an obstacle then you can bet your as I will condemn him.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.14   oi

      The people who are saying that NW might be giving at the local charities instead of the homeless person. Where did you get that? That is pure speculation and without any kind of basis at that. None of us know NW and all we have his note. That note gives, if any, indication of NW’s writer nature then that he is shamelessly and self righteously apathetic. Take your charity to your backyard does not tell me about his noble nature you know.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.15   Naoyusimi

      What the hell is a “homeless neighborhood”? Is that like some special wasteland where there is nothing but campfires and tents?
      “Hey, where are all the homes?”
      “Oh, this is a homeless neighborhood.”

      Geez, I live in a small town, and we don’t have a lot of homeless, so I can’t wrap my head around the situations they have in AZ, or like warmer climes, with near-swarms of homeless people around. I’m not going to pretend to understand the problems that might cause in *your* neighborhood. But we do have some homeless people, and I sure as shit wouldn’t be scared of thievery by them; if they wanted to be criminals, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN’T BE HOMELESS, dumbass!
      Now, working-class drugheads–yeah, they’ve broken into my house a couple of times.

      Many of the homeless have psychiatric problems, but likely the majority of them are not violent. It’s too bad we don’t do a better job of taking care of our people in this country. If we took care of our vets better, and if our mentally ill could afford their medication and treatment, we could cut our homeless population by 75%.

      I’d feed the homeless on this guy’s back steps, just to make sure they return again and again, if I could be sure they wouldn’t suffer for it. Assclown would call the cops, and the homeless would end up with the shit end of the stick. And that’s the best-case scenario. What if Assclown is a gunowner, and decides to “protect himself”?
      I had another point, but I’m too disgusted to even collect my thoughts.
      I hate people.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 12:08 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.16   Russian

      To pony girl: Is a ‘homeless house’ a house that doesn’t have a house to go home to? What about a house with a home? Is its house homeless too? When does it stop??

      Dec 11, 2010 at 7:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.17   ThePoPo

      Alissa H., please cite sources that homeless persons are responsible for crime in your area and are a danger to children. I always love when people make generalizations about crime and society and know absolutely nothing about the topic. Reading IS fundamental.

      Dec 15, 2010 at 11:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #9   Speechless

    Wow, so when exactly did you have your humanity surgically removed?

    Dec 8, 2010 at 10:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   cathy

      “When did you have your humanity surgically removed?” Seriously? Really? Just because someone chooses not to give out free stuff to beggars doesn’t make them inhumane. You want to show some compassion for the underprivileged, why don’t you actually DO SOMETHING instead of throwing food scraps at them? If someone is inhumane for not giving a beggar a bag of Fritos, what does it say about you if you’ve never supported mental health facilities or other charities that reduce homelessness? Everytime people whine about this crap, I just say “hey, you obviously care about this issue, why don’t you come volunteer at the community center where i work? We’re completely understaffed, and we’re dying for extra workers” You wanna know how many volunteers I’ve recruited? ZERO! they love complaining. they hate contributing to the solution. at the end of the day all the lazy-ass Good Samaritans on this site will pat themselves on the back because they feel sorry for poor people, but most of them aren’t going to do jack shit to actually help them. at least nothing beyond a bag of fritos.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 11:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.2   Alicia

      Thanks to you, we can feel guilty for being less compassionate than thou. I appreciate your help in the homeless situation but I also thought the homeless appreciated the Fritos.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 1:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.3   Canthz_B bang

      Um, I think the United Way does good work on this front. I contribute cash (3% payroll deduction, matched by my employer…almost as much as goes into my 401K).

      How dare you put down those who contribute cash, but not their time?
      That’s not how I want to spend my time, and my time buys no resources. What you do with your time is supported by my cash.
      Just how compassionate are you if you view your clientele as beggars anyway?
      If I thought my donation was being used to simply toss bags of Fritos, I wouldn’t donate.

      We’re not lazy-assed good Samaritans, just people who work hard all day and don’t wanna do anything but get home after work.

      If you don’t want the donations any longer, just let me know.
      Better yet, ask the people who need the donations how they feel about it.
      Bet they’d rather have the resources than have most of the volunteers who dole them out, with your smiles of pity as you go home to your warm homes, thinking you’ve bought some points towards a ticket to Heaven.

      I give because I’ve taken, not so I can say I did something.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 1:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.4   clumber

      Cathy; from the comments i have read so far, they (and now we) are not bashing because “someone chooses not to give out free stuff to beggars” but instead bashing someone who is telling someone else not to give fricking FOOD to the needy! This is not a fine point, you missed the entire damn pencil box in your effort to spew forth with your pet diatribe.

      I choose to give $ mostly because I am an asshole few want to spend time with, I have more ‘spare’ $ than time, and usually the pros can spend my $ more usefully than my time. I do not suffer fools, dickwads, trolls, or arrogant self-praising douche-twinkies well, and my ‘spare’ money can do far more good than what little time I can share. If I took you up on your little prickly “offer” and volunteered anywhere in sight of you, I’d have to spend excessive energy resisting punching you in your holier than me piehole. And that helps no one.

      Thumb to CB is deserved solely for the last sentence. I give because I can spare what others need, not so I can hold my own special YAY ME parade down mainstreet.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:48 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.5   farcical aquatic ceremony


      I just can’t think of a reason…

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.6   bellabeastie

      It must be that “glow” about her..

      You know, the one that says “I’m so fortunate and all you people are bad and scary”.. so I come down to “help”, then I go home to put on my new Chanel dress for the benefit tonight..

      To Feed the Homeless.. I guess she does what she can..

      Dec 9, 2010 at 10:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.7   gnomestress bang

      Giving money and food to the homeless on the streets doesn’t help the situation. If you want to help the homeless donate your time and money to homeless shelters and food banks. A couple dollars or a sandwich in a hand isn’t going to help someone for long. By taking that effort to help an organization, you are helping create a brighter future for multiple people who are down on their luck.

      It’s not inhumane to want your neighbors to stop feeding the homeless. It’s rational.

      Yes, homeless shelters are overpopulated and undersupplied. Do you know why? Because people give their pocket change out to any joe on the street instead of pooling it and donating it to a charitable organization that will put the money to the best use.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.8   Bertha Venation

      Dear gnomestress,

      If I see a hungry person on the street, I am going to buy him or her a meal. I am not going to take the money that’s in my pocket at that moment and put it aside when I get home and say, “this is my homeless money.”

      The person I see on the street needs food NOW.

      I can ALSO donate to shelters.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.9   clumber

      Bertha? If I wasn’t a total anti-social prude with a vengeful observant spouse, I’d kiss you smack on the lips.

      Will you take a thumb in lieu?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 4:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.10   Canthz_B bang

      Wait, so for every dollar I give on the streets, they subtract a dollar that would have come out of my paycheck and gone to my cause of choice?

      That sucks! Well, it would if it were true.

      Doctors don’t treat people for their chronic illnesses but ignore acute ailments. Neither do we treat people that way.
      When we do it sounds like this:

      Needy man: Brother, can you spare a dime?

      Passerby: Sorry, I gave at the office.

      That’s what you’re advocating? Give at the office, not to individuals?
      You really want to say that to someone?
      Worse, would you want to hear it if your places were reversed? Because, let’s face it…more of us are six paychecks away from homelessness than would like to admit it. There are computer programmers on the streets these days. Don’t get it twisted. Your job can disappear with the stroke of a boardroom pen. Your company can “right-size” you right out of a job without a second thought or two-week notice.
      The two forms of giving are not mutually exclusive, and neither is mandatory. Street charity does not take away from donations to organization.
      Street giving addresses an acute need, organizational giving addresses a chronic need. Both have a place.

      Dec 11, 2010 at 1:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #10   brandi

    A “homeless neighborhood”? WTF is that? Ugh. You’re vile. Isn’t it that time of year when people at least pretend to have goodwill for all? Of course, “all” means, “all people that I approve of”. Grotesque.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 10:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   RigaToni

      Gigglebrax fail, but I agree with you.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 1:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #11   snick

    It’s kind of nice to see that some people are actually offended by the attitude towards the homeless here. Unfortunately, I read this note, recognized the attitude immediately and thought… Welcome to Atlanta.

    Southern hospitality, my ass.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 10:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   ammali

      Speaking as a southerner, I can safely attest that we lay no claim to Atlanta. It just happens to be down here.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.2   [email protected]

      Agreed. Atlanta is about as southern as ‘unsweet’ tea.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:53 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.3   snick

      I want to live where you live. After living in several cities throughout Georgia, I’ve seen the same attitude everywhere I’ve been – from hundreds if not thousands of people. So, in my very personal experience, it’s not just Atlanta. I’d really like a different experience at this point. As a southerner, I have never met such self-absorbed, sanctimonious, back-stabbing people in all my life as I have in Georgia.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.4   Savannah

      Somehow Georgia managed to get the opinion that they are above all the other states. I think it must’ve started during the civil war, when the city of Savannah was spared and all other Southern cities were destroyed.

      Don’t let my name fool you–I’m not from Savannah. It’s just a coincidence.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 11:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #12   WOW

    I wish I could say I’m shocked by all of outrageous comments and general lack of caring about fellow humans, but I’m not. I’ve heard it all before. What has happened to the world and the West in particular that no one gives a d*mn about anyone but themselves anymore?
    I want to say I hope none of you ever have to experience being homeless, but I’d be lying. Maybe walking a mile in someone else’s shoes would do you good.
    At least open up your worldview a bit.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 10:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.1   SP

      Agreed, WOW. We’re all—ALL—connected. Even the cats. It’s such a shame how so many look down on those less fortunate.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.2   clumber

      Wait.. what?
      WTF #1: The west? Atlanta is west? From Miami I suppose… or do you mean “west” as opposed to Eastern cultures? Cuz’ I just read a study recently that North America and the US in particular gives much much more to charity than any other. And that is per % of GDP, not just “more $”. I think the ability to post/spew asshat trolling statements so easily that can be seen by many is the change, not the attitude IRL.

      WTF #2: cats? How the hell did cats come up?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:56 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.3   slappy

      The US gives more to charity, but at the same time we both a) have much less of a social safety net than say many European countries, so we rely much more on private charities. And b) we already have much more than other countries. Tell me you could still give away 3-10% of your money if you only made $1 a day. Are you really saying that poor countries ought to step up their giving to what, give charity money to us?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:43 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.4   clumber

      No, actually. That wasn’t what I was saying :) That’s why I mentioned it was percentage of GDP given to charity that was being measured – not just more money, but more of what money was there.

      I’d give a link to the study/story about the study but I read it on my home computer in the midst of a 3-night insomnia bender so it would be a PITA to find in the history. (Of course this gives implicit permission to reject any reference to said study, since without reference it becomes an anecdote. You can believe my recollection/comprehension or not.)

      And I agree and acknowledge that many other countries have better safety nets. I was mostly reacting to “What has happened to the world and the West in particular that no one gives a d*mn about anyone but themselves anymore?” by retorting that such was an overly broad paint job.
      But do you have any enlightenment about the WTF #2 for me? That still has me confused… is there an Internet Rule for when a thread becomes cat-related?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.5   eve42

      I used to feel awful for homeless folks, than I worked at a cheap motel for awhile. They come in with more cash than I ever have, take a smoking room, and ask where the closest liquor store is. A lot choose to be homeless. Many will tell you so themselves. It makes it easier not to feel bad for not giving my money when I’m doing without things to make it by as it, and my time which i spend with my family and friends who actually appreciate the time we spend together. And don’t say I don’t have a heart, I sure do. I’ll circle back when seeing them to offer them that bag of fritos, or big mac, or whatever I have. But don’t try to make me feel bad for not devoting much of my time giving money to charities and scooping soup.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 11:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.6   Speak Truth To Power

      Clumber, there was a bit about feeding homeless cats early in the comments. Not important, let it go.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 4:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.7   The Elf

      LOLcats rule all. I, for one, welcome our new feline overlords.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 11:18 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.8   Mo®

      Jeeez don’t get all nazi-like about cats and the homeless.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 12:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.9   anglophile bang

      I see what you did there, Mo.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 3:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #13   Sesquipedalian

    Blessed are the merciless, for they have acquired the right to higher property values. Blessed are the hard of heart, for they don’t need to see this shit in their backyard. Blessed are the note writers, for they can lash out at the poor without showing their faces.
    —The Gospel of the Passive-Aggressive Antichrist

    Dec 8, 2010 at 10:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #13.1   cheeky

      I love you.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 11:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #13.2   Tren

      Spend ye not on the homeless for ye grew up in a state of whitebread affluence. To not have a home must surely the devil’s work be.

      Plus at the holy place of ikea rests a colourful arc which would indeed look fabulous in thine livingroom my child.

      Hmm gives me the idea to rewrite the bible to match the values people actually possess.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #14   ISpy

    I remember the good old days when we bashed those who smoke, who talk loudly on their cellphones, who don’t clean the microwave, who use strong perfumes, and lest we forget: those who choose to procreate and inflict it on the rest of us.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 10:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #15   cathy

    The note was rude, but I see their point. If you regularly hand out money and/or food to beggars, they hang around. At best, they make the neighborhood more depressing. At worst, they bring along their mentally disordered and/or drug addicted friends who harass residents and get into fights. If you really wanted to help out the homeless, it’s better to save your donations for homeless shelters and mental health services.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 10:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   lagne

      I agree with you.

      On our local news, there was a feature about a young woman who wrote up two typewritten pages of resources for the homeless – job services, shelters, food sources, etc. If she “gave” to the homeless, she took a minute to talk with the person and go over the info with them. I think that kind of help goes MUCH further than a simple handout.

      I live in a major urban area. The homeless are everywhere. I carry juice boxes and cracker packs in my car, because I’m regularly approached by the homeless at intersections. This doesn’t make me more or less noble than anyone else, and I think we all need to remember that peoples’ ideas of “help” differ.

      That note-writer, though, is just a fuckity fucking fucktard.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 10:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.2   cathy

      that’s an interesting idea–giving out information to homeless people. in principle that goes a lot further than anything i’ve done- occasionally giving out food or doing art projects with underprivileged kids. both of which might be nice, but they’re more like cosmetic solutions. they just offer poor people little distractions from the crummy reality they deal with.

      so at the end of the day, i don’t think my little acts of empathy were any more helpful for homeless people than this notewriter’s attitude. one that note, who knows what the writer actually does in his spare time. if he once helped a charity expand their rehab services, whether through donations or professional line of work, then he’s done more to reduce homelessness than anyone else here.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 11:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.3   Lady Mariko

      It’s hard to eat artwork unless you are talking macaroni necklaces, in which case you might whip up a feast with enough of them, and unless you are very creative art does little to keep you warm at night.

      If you find me hungry and shivering on the side of the road, please oh please hand me a list of resources that are underfunded, no transportation to get to the resources, no food to feed my belly so I have the energy to care or to transport myself to those resources and by all means save the change in your ashtray for the tip jar at your local coffee shop.


      Dec 9, 2010 at 6:48 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.4   sleeps

      if he once helped a charity expand their rehab services, whether through donations or professional line of work, then he’s done more to reduce homelessness than anyone else here.

      ? WTF is this logic? How do you know what ‘anyone else here’ has done to reduce homelessness? I work full-time for a non-profit for the mentally ill and their families. Slow your roll on broad generalizations.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:44 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.5   lagne

      Lady Mariko,

      1. In the news feature I mentioned, this young woman started giving money to people and by the time she had to stop, she figured, mathwise, that she was giving close to $300/month. I doubt many of us could afford to keep that up, so she did what she could to help.

      2. Are you formerly homeless? I mean, it sounds like you have lots of experience with some truly crapped-out resources. The ones I’ve worked with haven’t been nearly as dismal as you describe.

      And by your logic – just because something’s underfunded and across town, nobody should use it? Seriously? WHAT is the harm in a person walking across town for a regular daily meal versus the harm of not even knowing that resource is available?

      3. In our city, there are WIDESPREAD resources for the homeless; nobody, at any spot in the city, has to trek 15 miles on foot for a hot meal.

      Sounds like you’re just bitching for the sake of bitching. So… stop it.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.6   Lady Mariko


      1. I never asked anyone to “give more than they could” or do “less than they could”. Nor was I personally attacking the woman in the article to which you refer. I was simply pointing out that providing a list of resources doesn’t fill your belly or keep you warm.

      2. I have not been homeless, but in the current economy many people who thought they would never be homeless have found themselves foreclosed upon, unemployed and out of funds. As for the “crapped out resources” I formerly worked for the county mental health department, which went broke and closed almost all of its facilities. I have been a foreclosesure paralegal and seen many people fall on hard times and become homeless. I am current a family law paralegal and see many families who do not have the resources to take care of themselves and their children, so yes, I think I do have experience with “crapped out resources”.

      3. I am very glad your city has WIDESPREAD resources. I currently live and have lived generally in farming communities, smaller towns and rural areas that don’t have WIDESPREAD resources, and whose resources have been struggling for years to provide for an ever-growing population of people in need.

      Try not to take ALL the comments as a personal attack against you and do try not to shush someone just because they have a different point of view.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.7   lagne

      Lady Mariko:

      In your current profession as a paralegal, your experience with working to help the homeless is obviously different from mine. Mine is all volunteer work. I’ve been lucky to work with some awesome organizations, and the people benefitting form the organizations have been even luckier.

      The rest of your comment: Whatever. It’s easy to bitch about others’ efforts from behind a computer screen even if their actions aren’t ones you would take, which is obviously all you did in the comment I responded to. Sorry you obviously didn’t like it, but bitching about others’ efforts isn’t the same as expressing a different point of view.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 4:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #16   LP

    The whole idea of the homeless being more dangerous than the folk living in houses is a bit weird. I mean, yes, desperate people will do anything to survive but at the same time you have people with homes turning out to be robbers, thugs, paedophiles, murderers, etc.

    Maybe if society went out of its way more to help those homeless people, they wouldn’t have to be in your neighbourhood scaring you with their unkempt and rumbling bellies.

    For shame.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 10:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   VerityBrown bang

      Apparently you’re unaware that many homeless people are homeless because they have mental health problems. Not all of them, by any means. But certainly in greater proportion among the homeless than among the rest of the population. A lot of this is due to our country’s appalling lack of facilities for the mentally ill whose families (if they have them) lack the resources to commit them for treatment. Think about it–a mentally healthy individual will usually find a way out of a temporarily homeless situation, using government aid and/or hard work and/or the assistance of friends and relatives. The ones who remain on the street year after year are the ones who can’t function well enough to take advantage of programs that would help them out of homelessness. So worrying about the mental stability of homeless people is NOT unreasonable. And while we do need to help these people to whatever extent they will accept our help, it is foolishly blind idealism to believe that if we just “try” hard enough or throw enough money at this problem, it will go away.

      Dec 8, 2010 at 11:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.2   cathy

      good point! there’s a reason why a lot of homeless people refuse to go to homeless shelters–they’re dangerous places to be. i don’t really get it when people argue “how can we call homeless people dangerous when most violence occurs amongst ‘normal’ people? like kidnappers, or wife beaters, or serial killers. most of those people have homes and families, and sometimes they live in our own neighborhoods.”

      although its true that the ‘normal’ next door neighbor can be unsafe, it seems like you can’t really compare them with a population like homeless people. if your next door neighbor is a serial killer like jeffrey dahmer, then you’re fine as long as you’re not alone with him in his apartment. the only people he murdered were acquaintances that he lured back to his home. if your next door neighbor is a wife beater, then you’d have to become their wife or girlfriend for them to start beating up on you. if your next door neighbor is a pedophile, then your child is most likely to get victimized when the pedophile builds a trusting relationship with them over a substantial period of time.

      however i feel like street people more likely to randomly lash out strangers (like this one guy who threatened me at a bus stop because i looked at him briefly). yeah i know *most* homeless people aren’t that extreme. but the cases of people who randomly push bystanders into subway trains–it seems the perpetrators are usually mentally disordered vagrants.

      in other words, if jeffrey dahmer is hanging out near a playground- perfectly safe. if homeless people were hanging out near a playground–i’d be somewhat more worried that one of them might have a psychotic episode and get aggressive.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 1:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.3   anglophile

      If I were you, cathy, I’d only worry about the black homeless people. Everyone knows they’re the dangerous ones.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 5:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.4   Athene

      Seriously? I think I hear the door of racism creaking in the background… With people like you around, they might as well live up to this self-fulfilling prophecy that you have so kindly bestowed upon them from your ivory tower.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.5   farcical aquatic ceremony

      @16.4 Hey–since you just got done springing forth fully-formed from your father’s forehead, we’ll give you a pass for not ‘getting’ sarcasm. But just this once.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.6   [email protected]

      @16.5 If sarcasm is lost on her, do you think she stands a chance with mythological references?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 10:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.7   farcical aquatic ceremony

      : ) I was kinda hoping to confuse her so much that she wandered out into a (busy) street in a daze…

      Dec 9, 2010 at 10:22 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.8   [email protected]

      @16.4 I’ve never heard of the “door of racism”. Is that at the entrance to this ivory tower you mentioned? Actually, come to think of it, the door of racism would probably be the servants entrance.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 11:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.9   anglophile

      Shit, if I left the door of racism ajar, that means all those illegal aliens probably snuck in the country when I wasn’t looking.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.10   Canthz_B bang

      So, let me get this straight.

      Cathy doesn’t care about crime as long as it doesn’t happen to her, and criminals who commit violent crimes behind closed doors are only a threat if you go behind closed doors with them? Pedophiles should be allowed around her children as long as they don’t become friends?

      She’d be perfectly comfortable standing next to a serial killer or rapist in a supermarket checkout line, because they’re good people unless you’re alone with them?
      But a homeless person who has done no harm to anyone could snap at any moment, and is therefore an imminent threat?

      Do we really let people like this vote?

      PS: Glo, Black homeless people are only dangerous half of the time…at night when they’re hardest to see! :-P

      Dec 12, 2010 at 12:08 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.11   anglophile bang

      Oh sure, CB, tell that to April’s dad’s gay friend. He probably let some homeless black guy in his house, turned on all the lights, and still got murdered. Or at least that’s the theory April’s dad told her to spread around.

      Dec 12, 2010 at 10:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #17   KST

    I don’t think you could pay me enough NOT to park in front of their house everyday. I would also have a hard time not putting up signs at every intersection for a mile radius, directing homeless to a free meal and a shower at their address.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 11:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   bellabeastie

      Seriously LOLOL.. I have ’95 Corolla, we can use my car…

      Team Posters !! Mac and Cheese for All !!

      Dec 9, 2010 at 10:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #18   shwo! bang

    Lamar’s just trying to feed the homeless… to death. Just like our pony “Snowman”.

    Dec 8, 2010 at 11:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   pony girl

      What did my snowman do?

      Last time I saw him, he was slowly melting out by the barn (sans carrot nose.)


      can anyone spare a carrot or two?


      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #18.2   clumber

      psssst… PG: I think it is a reference to a past PAN -

      Dec 10, 2010 at 2:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #18.3   pony girl

      Ah, yes, cousin Snowman.
      A tragedy.
      I kept telling him to lay off the strudel.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 4:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #19   Canthz_B bang

    Feral homeless can plague a community. Sadly, spay and neuter programs are having little effect on the problem.

    It seems the homeless are much faster runners than they appear at first glance. Especially when they spy the glint of the Sun flashing off a scalpel.

    Hopefully, the newest traps will make a difference…brand new Kenmore refrigerator boxes are sure to attract the little buggers, then it’s just a quick snip-snip!

    Dec 9, 2010 at 12:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.1   anglophile

      It’s a matter of releasing them back into the wild once the operation has been performed so that they can hold on to their territory, discourage other homeless from moving in, and yet still not procreate.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 5:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.2   clumber

      We need to be certain to slice off a chunk of their ears big enough to be spotted from a distance, though, so we don’t expend resources retrapping the already “fixed”.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.3   [email protected]

      We just need to make sure the homeless aren’t declawed. It leaves them defenseless when released back into the wild.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 10:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.4   pony girl

      Can we make them wear bells, too? So we can hear them coming, and either, have our change ready or run away, depending on our mood/attitude.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:07 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.5   clumber


      fucking hobos. (*)No wonder those Audubon types advocate killing them on sight.

      (*)total lie

      Dec 9, 2010 at 4:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.6   sleeps

      But what of their rich hobo culture?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 5:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.7   Hobo

      Nothing beats the Hobo life,
      Stabbin’ folks with my hobo knife.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 10:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #20   EARL HAMSHER

    What did the letter writer think they were going to accomplish anyway? If it really had been a church group feeding the homeless does he/she think they’d read the note and decide to quit?

    Dec 9, 2010 at 12:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #20.1   Sesquipedalian

      At my church in back in Vancouver, we had some members who ran a weekly program to feed people who needed it. They’d been doing it for 14 years in the same spot in a city park. Then some NIMBYs moved into the area after several houses across the street were renovated/replaced. So they sent us a letter demanding that we stop . When we refused, they tried to get the city to force us out (which failed, of course).

      So yes, I expect the letter writer actually thought that this would accomplish something. In my experience, folks like this think that they have a patent right to what they demand. They act on the assumption that merely asserting that right will be enough to convince reasonable people to acquiesce since, of course, it is so obviously right to do so.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 12:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #21   Canthz_B bang

    I say they stop feeding the meals-on-wheels recipients in their neighborhood as well.
    Who needs a bunch of shut-ins in the community?
    Hell, you only see them when they come out to get the mail anyway.
    They wouldn’t be disabled if they weren’t so lazy.
    Same goes for that jackass who got laid off, his food-kitchen-relying-on ass needs to get out of their midst ASAP.
    Just let’em starve so their houses can be sold to some stuck-up assholes who’ll fit in with the rest of them.

    Then all will be well in their out-of-sight, out-of-mind worlds.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 1:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.1   [email protected]

      Hear, hear. Stop the WIC programs too, already. It just encourages people to make another generation of ‘undesirables’. I say we take a cue from China and put those kids to work.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 10:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #22   sanabituranima

    To the various commenters stating homeless= mentally ill = criminal:

    1. I have had a mental illness. I have never been homeless. I have never been a criminal.

    2. Most mentally ill people are not criminals.

    3. Mentally ill people are no more likely to be violent than anyone else, but *are* more likely to be *victims* of crime.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 1:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #22.1   jadefirefly

      Little defensive, perhaps?

      1. Your personal experience with mental illness does not change whether someone who has a mental illness becomes a criminal or homeless.

      2. The number of mentally ill people that are not criminals are irrelevant. What’s important is the number of criminals that are mentally ill. These two numbers are not the same thing.

      3. I could just as easily rephrase the first portion of this to read, “Mentally ill people are just as likely to be violent as anyone else”, and have exactly the same meaning – but it suddenly sounds a whole lot different. Even your link agrees.

      So, since this entire post is not about mentally ill people — and only the people who’re clearly biased and ignorant are even bringing it up — maybe we can tone down the defensiveness a bit, and leave your personal stuff out of it?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 1:43 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #22.2   Canthz_B bang

      Seems a bit of a simplistic argument to make to me. “Mental Illness” includes both a broad spectrum of conditions, as well as great variance in the severity of each condition any individual may experience as opposed to another.

      May as well go out and punch a cloud for all the hard facts in this one.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 3:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #22.3   ammali

      mentally ill does not equal homeless or criminal, but a good number of the homeless or criminals are in fact mentally ill. It’s like those logic puzzles we did in elementary school (Most of the girls are wearing a blue shirt. Taylor is wearing a blue shirt. Is Taylor a girl? yes, no, not enough information)

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  • #23   Kevin Barbieux

    It’s true, many homeless people are a mess. But statistically, people with homes are more likely to ruin your day than people without homes.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 6:18 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.1   clumber

      It’s true. I’m living proof! I have a home and I am very likely to ruin your day!

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  • #24   Woman on the Verge bang

    I’m from a small town and the first time I visited San Francisco, I was shocked and a little scared of some of the homeless people. At first, I wasn’t sure what to do. Then I encountered a woman in a doorway with a small child. She asked me for 12 cents so she would have enough money to buy milk for her baby. All she wanted was 12 cents. I tried to give her more, but she insisted that was all she needed. My husband and I pressed five dollars in her hand and she followed us for a block crying and thanking us.

    You can cast your cynical eye on it, but I believe I helped her and her child that day. And that she was truly thankful. My view of the homeless was forever changed.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 6:53 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.1   ammali

      That is awesome. And I wish all were the same way, but people are all different… and for every one who is truly grateful like this (and will likely find a way out of her bad situation), there are a dozen who would have not only taken the $5, but jerked your wallet out of your hand and fled. Sad but true.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.2   clumber

      ♥ WotV

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.3   bellabeastie

      I once was behind a woman in a gas station who had a small child in an old station wagon waiting outside, filled with stuff. I was waiting to pay for my “bag of Fritos”, not paying attention..until she started to cry. Right in front of me. She had her credit card turned down, and didn’t know how she was going to pay for the five dollars of gas she just put in her car.

      I was in Michigan, on my way back to Cleveland, and I literally had only twenty dollars on me.. So I paid her five dollar bill, bought my “bag of Fritos”.. and six hours later..

      I got home.. get it.. home. Safe and sound. I’ve always kept that in my heart.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 10:57 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.4   bellabeastie

      And I will always wonder what happened to her and if she ended up OK… I’ll never know, but that moment will resonate with me forever…

      Dec 9, 2010 at 11:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.5   The Elf

      My view of the homeless was changed when a naked homeless man yelled at me, waving his pants, and accused me of persecuting him. My crime was to pass his spot at 6am on my way to work.

      Another attitude changing moment…. A woman approached me, crying, that she was in an accident and just needed a few dollars to get home on the subway. She pointed out the building where she worked, to support her position, I suppose. I had no cash on me anyway, but I did offer her use of my cell phone to call a friend. She refused, I wished her luck and went on my way. A week later, in a different part of DC, the same crying woman approached me with the same story and pointed out a different building where she worked. I told her not to try to scam the same person twice.

      I’ll donate to organizations to help the homeless and hungry, but not directly to the homeless and/or hungry. If someone is in distress, I’ll give them directions, let them use my cellphone, buy a metro farecard, whatever but I will not give them a penny in cash.

      FWIW, I would not have written that note. That’s just harsh no matter what your view on the homeless.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 11:33 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.6   Mo®

      I am sorry Elf but you were persecuting me for my views on pants freedom. Hottentot!

      Pants Liberation Organization

      Dec 10, 2010 at 12:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.7   The Elf

      Did it include shirt and underwear freedom too? ‘Cause if it does, I would advise you to be free only on warm days….

      Dec 10, 2010 at 1:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.8   Canthz_B bang

      Elf, I know the “I just need a little money to get home” scam. Not only was I approached by the same guy a few days later than the first time…it was in the exact same location.

      His story was that he needed bus fare to get downtown to catch a train to get home, but he only asked for bus fare.
      I asked him how bus fare to the train station was of any help if he didn’t have money for a train ticket. Told him if he did have money for the train, he should use that for the bus, then hustle money for the train at the station.
      He blinked and began to stutter, and I walked away with a smile in my heart.

      Dec 11, 2010 at 11:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #25   Tren

    This reminds me. I watched louis theroux’s latest documentary about gambling in vegas. He interviewed people who had lost litteraly millions.

    It got me to thinking. What if just half of these people donated the money to charity?

    Dec 9, 2010 at 7:46 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   ammali

      Heyyyy… someone should start a casino, where most of the profits go to charity (all except the funds to keep the place open and pay employees, if you couldn’t do volunteers). Even if you did pay employees pretty well, those places would still raise a fortune for good causes.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:20 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.2   Inspectah Deck of the Scotland Yard

      My understanding is that that’s basically what state lotteries do, except they keep overheads low by just selling tickets instead of operating an actual casino

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.3   gnomestress bang

      Hopefully that will warm your heart. :)

      Dec 9, 2010 at 12:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #26   Flip-Flappin'

    “fuckity fucking fucktard” (#15.1) has made my day!

    Dec 9, 2010 at 8:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #27   JuneBUg

    True. If you feed the homeless they may lose their natural fear of people.
    What a douche.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 8:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #27.1   clumber

      ERROR: Already voted!

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #28   [email protected]

    Wouldn’t it be awesome if it turned out someone was stealing Frank’s food and giving it to the homeless?

    Dec 9, 2010 at 8:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #29   divaandwriter bang

    Blessed are the hard of heart, for they shall not have to bother with being merciful.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 9:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #30   snick

    I think we know who’s responsible for that extensive food theft in Florida last year, Lamar… if that is your real name.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 9:45 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #31   North

    This reminds me of something….Oh right I remember now! Happy Holidays all.
    ‘”At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge,” said the gentleman, taking up a pen, “it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.”
    “Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.
    “Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
    “And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”
    “They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”
    “The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.
    “Both very busy, sir.”
    “Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,” said Scrooge. “I’m very glad to hear it.”
    “Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,” returned the gentleman, “a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?”
    “Nothing!” replied Scrooge.
    “You wish to be anonymous?”
    “I wish to be left alone,” said Scrooge. “Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas, and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned: they cost enough: and those who are badly off must go there.”
    “Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.”
    “If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population. … It’s enough for a man to understand his own business, and not to interfere with other people’s. Mine occupies me constantly. Good afternoon, gentlemen!”
    — Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol. “

    Dec 9, 2010 at 9:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.1   pony girl

      I loved it when Beaker flipped-off Scrooge.
      I had to rewind and play it a few times; I just couldn’t believe that Beaker would flip anyone the bird!!

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #32   Edwina the Defrocked Nun

    This note sure brought out the “attitude” … and just in time for Christmas. (As North pointed out immediately before me.)

    God bless us, every one.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 10:53 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #33   Nack

    Hate to tell you all this, but most of “the homeless” are -not- desperate. They make more money panhandling in a day than you do, and they -like- the freedom of not having to pay taxes and deal with “the hassles” of “normal” life. Ask your local Adult Protective Service who has to go out and deal with them. Ask your local cop. They’ll tell you, most of them refuse to get help to get their lives on track. Now, that’s not to say there are not people who have fallen on hard times, but most of the homeless you actually see and deal with are those kind.

    But back to the topic at hand: Team Tattoo’d Church Bus Driver! Way to freak the mundanes!

    Dec 9, 2010 at 11:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #33.1   snick

      Who are these homeless with the serious cash? Where is it they hang out? I mean that. I see people say things like this all the time and I’ve never met one of these rolling homeless. I’d really like to know where they are and why I never meet any.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #33.2   clumber

      33.nada : CITATION NEEDED

      Shit and I thought my reference to a study i read was borderline unacceptable since I wasn’t going to post a link. But then I am whisked aside like so much chaff by this utter, utter tripe; made-up bullshit; and radical tea bagger attitude. “most of” – and this is based upon your 6-year comprehensive study including interviews of cops, APS workers, and…? Right. Bullshit. Off you go then.

      Most of right-wing asshats are the result of accidental discharge. See, I can make up offensive bullshit too! Yay me!

      Dec 9, 2010 at 5:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #33.3   sleeps

      Ok, let’s do ask me then, as a person whose job it is to work with a population where homelessness is a rampant problem. I will tell you that you are full of shit. There may be a small handful of individuals in major metro areas who are successfully panhandling and then driving home at night to an actual residence. That leaves the 99.9% who are truly, legitimately homeless. And yes, it may be to a certain extent, by ‘choice’; but as was mentioned upstream a ways, it is not a rational choice. It is a choice made by someone who is either mentally ill, or in a drug-induced psychosis. People who don’t want to live with the ‘hassles’ of ‘normal life’- hassles like bathing and avoiding losing your digits to frostbite- are not making rational decisions. They have lost their grip on reality.

      My dad was diagnosed with schizophrenia in the 70′s. He hasn’t worked since ’92. He has conversations with invisible folks. He takes enough medication to knock out a small horse. But each and every single time you would ask him if he has a problem or an illness or needs help, for the past 40 years, do you know what his answer is? No. He doesn’t think he has a problem. He never has and never will. I have no doubt he would have ended up homeless without his family to help him feel safe enough to trust that the doctors weren’t trying to poison him, and that nobody was going to lock him up.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 5:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #33.4   Canthz_B bang

      This is usually where I post a novel, but I won’t. Some people are just too stupid to have a damned clue, so why bother?
      Besides, I’m busy writing my resignation letter so I’ll have more time to panhandle millions of dollars in nickels, dimes and quarters without the hassle of going to work.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #33.5   TheHats


      They hang out in Rite Aid. I had -three- stalkers while I worked there, all of them homefree, all of them with more spare cash than I have -ever- had. One of them bought me plane tickets to Vegas and then called the cops on me when I turned him down.

      Dec 12, 2010 at 2:15 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #34   Ssssara

    I live in Atlanta and work downtown. The homeless population is huge – you see them everywhere. A large majority of them a drug addicts. Hell, I had one guy tell me he hoped I died in a car wreck on my home because I didn’t have a cigarette to give him. I don’t smoke! It’s a complex problem, and it’s just as bad to oversimplify it with protests of “you heartless monster” as it is to scorn those in need.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 11:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.1   clumber

      So apparently internet trolling has hit the streets now. Great.

      It sucks to be talked to like that. I am a bit eyebrow-up wondering how “majority of them are drug addicts” is supported by your mentioned experience… but I hate it when assholes make abusive comments like that to strangers so am just lowering my eyebrow and moving along.

      Shit… why am I reading the PAN comments again then?! Clearly I hate myself. At least I have yet to make WotV’s hate list… I cling to that.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 5:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #35   April

    My Dad lives around this area. I don’t think he has ever had homeless problems.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 12:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #36   gnomestress bang

    Boy are the people with superiority complexes out in force today! For those of you who are being asshats and spouting nonsense about the ‘Christmas Spirit’ or quoting the bible, get over yourself.

    How many of you have ever worked in a soup kitchen? Have you ever rang a bell in the cold for the Salvation Army? Have you ever done anything greater than tossing some change at a homeless person and going on with your lives?

    If you have, pat yourself on the shoulder. You’re not part of the problem. If you haven’t, take a moment to think about what you’re doing. Instead of passing out change or cheap food to someone who asks you for money, think of instead pooling that money and donating it yearly to a homeless shelter or similar charity. The charity will make that money work more efficiently and put it to better use than some stranger on the street. Better yet, take time to volunteer and help the community. Donate your old clothes, books, glasses, and electronics. Volunteer to help create and support afterschool programs for underprivaleged kids.

    I live in a Chicago suburb. Growing up I was on the receiving end of Angel Tree Christmas gifts. I moved out at eighteen because my family didn’t have the money to continue to support me. I’m lucky enough to now have a mortgage, a wonderful husband, a halfway decent education, and a job that pays the bills. Everything I have I’ve worked for and earned myself…but even though I started fairly low, there are so many in the city that start off even worse off than I was. Chicago public schools do the best they can but they’re hugely overpopulated and underfunded. Money that could be spent on books, new computers, and bigger classrooms is instead spent on metal detectors and guards because of gang violence. Kids don’t see their parents because, if they’re lucky, their parents work two jobs to support them. If they aren’t lucky, their parents are present but poor role models. Underprivaleged children don’t have parents around to help them with their homework. Some don’t even get breakfast to keep them alert in classes. If they don’t do well, often there isn’t enough time for one teacher to tend to each needy child, especially with classrooms crammed tight with children. Those kids are largely abandoned by society. If they aren’t helped they often drop out of school. The future isn’t bright for a high school drop out in Chicago. Your choices? Join a gang or get a job slinging burgers. Neither is a good option. Those people grow up and have kids and the cycle begins again.

    If you want to stop poverty, start with the next generation. Teach children the skills they need to survive and be successful. It won’t completely stop the problem, but it will be a hell of a lot more useful than slinging cash and compassion around.


    Dec 9, 2010 at 12:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.1   oi


      Dec 9, 2010 at 1:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.2   gnomestress bang

      It did get a bit wordy there.

      TLDR Version:

      Give a hand up not a hand out.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.3   anglophile

      Thank goodness we have now heard gnomestress’s plan! Soon poverty will be a thing of the past!

      Dec 9, 2010 at 2:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.4   Canthz_B bang

      Damn! I contributed to the problem today, but I just can’t resist a Salvation Army Bell and Pot set-up!I hope they don’t use that money on a stupid soup kitchen.

      Speaking of people who have gotten everything they have all by themselves, how do you get a good education without teachers/professors? Do you just make shit up, decide it’s true and consider yourself educated? Sure save on books, and those pesky authors who write them. Can’t read that if you’re doing it all with no help from anyone else.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.5   April

      CB: Let’s not be obtuse.

      Gnomestress: Good for you for working hard and breaking the cycle! Everything you said is spot on.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.6   Canthz_B bang

      You learned a new word!

      Actually, it’s the most successful people around who are the quickest to acknowledge all of the help they had along the way, not the self-satisfied, self-absorbed, so-called self-made, middle-class.

      Ask Oprah or The Donald. ;-)

      You’d think such a hard worker would have gotten a little scholarship or grant money. Maybe some financial aid, but nope. She scraped together her tuition all by herself. I’m greatly impressed.

      So she has a husband and a mortgage. And she got everything she has all by herself. I’m sure her husband would beg to differ. Unless he’s a kept man. ;-)

      And yes, we should abolish charities that help people get into a position from which they can even begin to do for themselves. They’ll never do it unless they are desperate enough, because “those people” don’t really have any innate ambition.
      They should be forced to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, even the ones without boots…because there is a one size fits all answer to the problem, and this is it. The poverty problem is simple. Poor people don’t have much money, so educate them so they can get one of those non-existent inner-city/rural jobs…educate them all, and they can all just move to where there are jobs. They can’t just start their own businesses where the are. They can’t get small business loans from banks…they have no credit. And we will naturally be abolishing the Small Business Administration. Never mind that it helps middle-class people start businesses as well…our new policy is hard work and no helping hand. Because people can be successful with no outside help.
      Problem solved, for those who don’t starve along the way.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.7   gnomestress bang

      Canthz, I suggest you go back and reread my post. Pay attention to the words this time. Donating your money to an organization, such as the Salvation Army, is helping the situation. They know how to use the money they receive in the best way, making every cent donated go farther than it would had it just been handed out to a stranger.

      Instead of putting words in my mouth, insert your foot into yours.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 10:48 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.8   Canthz_B bang

      Get real. No one else actually read that either. We read the comments that followed it!! :mrgreen:

      I glanced at it, and as an inner-city kid myself, I didn’t like what I saw.
      There is no cycle, just piss poor parenting vs. good parenting.

      Your problem is that you seem to care more about what you have as a measure of success than who you are.

      Maybe you didn’t read my comment farther up where I disclosed that I donate to the United Way, but I don’t need you to tell me about the values and virtues of donating, or about the economies of scale which help make it all work.

      I hope that I don’t come across as ungrateful. Massa been good to me too! ;-)

      Really, sometimes it’s harder to listen to the person who has made their way out of poverty, than it is to listen to those who only see it from the outside. They always seem to come across sounding superior somehow. Like their sheer force of will propelled them out…no encouragement from anyone, just a moral compass pointed towards right, and a nuclear-powered spirit that only they among their peers possessed.
      Never any mention of the myriad lucky breaks that had to break just right for it all to work out. They just DID IT!! No one slung any cash or compassion their way!

      They’re either liars, or they have successfully fooled themselves for so long they’ve forgotten not where they came from…but the journey.

      I have come from fried bologna sandwiches to prime rib in my lifetime, but I didn’t do it alone, and am humble enough to say so.I’ve been from the mountaintop to the valley and back (from management, to nearly homeless just two years ago, and back in good money today. From widower to newlywed in the same time). I busted my butt to do it, but I did not do it without help…not least of which was advice and encouragement from online friends here at PAN (the “regulars” you all love to hate are wonderful people who gave me hope and strength when mine wavered), so don’t think I don’t know life isn’t predictable or that nose-to-the-grindstone is no guarantee of a smooth ride, and even the well-educated and most prepared can find themselves destitute in a heartbeat.
      There are good choices, but there is no formula for success.

      Since my comments here have consistently sided with the rights of the underdog, maybe the wrong shoe is in the wrong mouth…or maybe you’re just thinking of your self-made self again instead of the bigger picture.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 11:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.9   Canthz_B bang

      gnomestress, all I’m saying is that no man is an island…and that includes you.
      Respect the fact that nothing you’ve accomplished was accomplished in a vacuum.

      You’ll appreciate those accomplishments all the more.

      Dec 11, 2010 at 1:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.10   Sonya

      How educated and prepared can one be if they can find themselves ‘destitute in a heartbeat’?

      Dec 12, 2010 at 10:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.11   anglophile bang

      I suppose you think nothing bad can ever happen to you, huh, Sonya? I guess your job will never be downsized, you will never suffer a medical condition that tops out your health insurance and leaves you in debt, your house will never burn down or flood, someone you trusted with your money will never take off with it? Shitty things happen to good people. Time to step out of that bubble.

      Dec 12, 2010 at 11:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.12   Canthz_B bang

      How educated and prepared can one be if they can find themselves ‘destitute in a heartbeat’?

      As educated and prepared as the middle managers who were down-sized in the late 80′s and early 90′s? And they were a lot better educated than most college grads are today, BTW…and were experienced in their jobs as well.
      I watched some of those people leaving our offices (a major insurance company) in tears, many in their mid-fifties, with virtually no notice at all back then…and that was complete job eliminations, not even “we’re moving your job overseas.”

      Who prepares for that? How much education can prepare you for your job market drying up because a new business model is being adopted across the board and it doesn’t include a large middle-management corps?

      How do you prepare for working for a major corporation for a good number of years, and they sell out to some company that eats the assets then lays everyone off and gets a big tax write-off, or does an Enron on your ass, but leaves you out of a job?

      A little life experience is in order for some of you.

      Not all homeless people are mentally ill, homeless by choice or life-long losers.
      Some people have just been royally fucked!
      I’ve been “right-sized” out of a job. I’ve had my employer go belly-up (banked on an infusion of capital but the buyer backed out at the last minute). I’ve had my employer sold to a company (that promised we were all safe, no worries, new policies, better shit than ever!) that cannibalized us and cast us off.
      Three really good jobs, at good companies, that I spent a total of 22 years of my life working for…all gone.
      Being well-educated doesn’t help much in circumstances beyond your control, and the stress is un-fucking-believable. Rumors of lay-offs precede lay-offs by 6 to 10 months. A long time to worry about whether or not you have a job next Monday, and all the while you’re being assured not to worry, everything is fine…just fine…as manager after manager just happens to find new employment.
      A little empathy for those who can’t handle it is in order.
      I know I’m lucky to have yet another good position, because there are not enough of them for every displaced worker.
      Were it not for my CIFs (no, you may not get that reference…my friends) I could have cracked and been homeless too.

      So I donate to good causes to try to help those who have yet to make it back…and I try not to judge the guy on the street who asks for a bit of the change I’m fortunate enough to have to give…and I don’t ask how he’ll spend it, because a gift shouldn’t have strings attached. How he spends it is his business, as is whether it does him good or ill.

      Some of you will understand this, some of you will not.

      If you do, thanks.

      If not, good luck, and watch your back. The rules are…there are no rules.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 11:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #37   GhostWriter bang

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but it would seem that nobody was actually feeding the homeless near that house; there is literally nothing to complain about.

    Maybe the notewriter saw, “He who comes to Me will never be hungry…” on the side of the van?

    Dec 9, 2010 at 3:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #38   Lisa

    You know what? I donate money AND time to the homeless, the hungry and those who cannot help themselves. I’m not talking “spare change” either, but regular, substantial donations to organizations that work directly with the homeless.

    BUT. My husband and I pay a hella lot of money to live in a nice suburb of a major city, a place where crime is almost non-existent. I’ve left my garage standing open (by accident) while I was out all day, I never lock my car doors, and I’ve never had anything stolen. You can bet your ass if a homeless person showed up in my neighborhood, it would be about 3 minutes before he was picked up by the cops and transported to the nearest shelter. I refuse to feel guilty because we can afford to NOT live in a shit-hole.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 5:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.1   sleeps

      Hello, non sequitur. WTH? Yeah, of course a homeless person would stick out in your neighborhood, it’s a SUBURB. It’s not a recently-gentrified urban area. That’s why you moved there. Who says you’re supposed to feel guilty about it?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 6:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.2   Mel

      Picked up by the cops? Is it illegal to be homeless?

      Dec 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.3   pony girl

      Yeah, that kinda makes me want to dress all scruffy, drive to some really nice neighborhood and shuffle around aimlessly (on public property.)
      Then I can sue for millions for false-arrest. Or at the very least irritate some elitists!

      Dec 9, 2010 at 8:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.4   April

      Some areas have loitering ordinances meaning if you are not visiting someone in that neighborhood or shopping at the businesses in that neighborhood you are technically loitering and they can and will remove you. It is bad for business and property values. Tax payers pay the policeman’s salaries, not the homeless people, guess who the police or more likely to listen to?

      I am with Lisa. I also give time and money to charity regularly but I would call the cops if I saw a homeless person shambling around my neighborhood too. It is not about not wanting to look at them. For me it is about not being sure how sane that person is and worried they might try to knife me or my kids because as others on this thread have pointed out-many homeless are unfortunately mentally ill.

      It doesn’t make me mean. It makes me cautious and smart.

      Dec 9, 2010 at 9:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.5   Canthz_B bang

      The problem with those laws is with selective enforcement. That you would think the cops work for you, not “them”, only tells us that you understand that the law can be unfairly applied, and expect it to be so upon demand.

      Is the man in a business suit standing on a random corner loitering, or taking his time?
      Is the hip-hopper (or whatever they call themselves today) standing on a random corner loitering, or taking his time?
      Whom should the cops stop? Both? Neither?
      Who’s to say the “businessman” doesn’t have a briefcase full of cocaine, and the “Hip-hopper” isn’t on his way to a job interview at a record store?
      Why does a person you decide is homeless NOT have a right to “shamble through” anywhere in this great nation he or she pleases?
      Are you saying the homeless can’t read a book in the free public libraries? Marvel at the wonders inside our museums? Walk through a nice neighborhood and experience just a little calm peace of mind in its tranquil environs? We’re still talking about human beings with the same rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness that you have, right?

      I guess if you’d seen Albert Einstein “shambling” around Princeton, NJ, hair all over the place, clothing wrinkled and disheveled, you’d have called the cops on his homeless ass.

      Your kid is more likely to be molested and murdered by a close family member (father, brother, uncle, cousin, and don’t forget good old grandpa [come sit on my lap, Sport!]) than some homeless person.
      Mentally ill is not synonymous with homicidal, so no, this doesn’t make you very smart at all, and your caution is misguided and misplaced.
      If you were smart, you’d know that mentally ill homeless persons are more likely to be the the abused, not the abuser.

      You’re an idiot. The shame of it is, you don’t even know what a bigot you are.
      Don’t even realize you’re advocating legalized discrimination and segregation. “We don’t want ‘your kind’ here.”, doesn’t bother you in the least, Huh? As long as you’re the “right kind”. :-(

      Feel a slight breeze? Your “I’m better than them” is showing.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 5:59 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.6   April

      Yes, I am so sure you would have no problem inviting a dirty crazy looking homeless person to come have dinner with you in your home. Since you are so unbigoted. My dad’s best friend used to do stuff like that actually. He was found murdered in his home. We were never sure if it was because someone broke in or because he took pity on someone. It could have been either one. Guess we will never know.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 6:08 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.7   Canthz_B bang

      April: Let’s not be obtuse. ;-)

      No, and I don’t invite clean-shaven, successful-looking STRANGERS into my home either.

      But I don’t call the cops on the guy going through dumpsters to salvage empty aluminum cans around here either. I’m not going to have him over for dinner, but I don’t think he should be fucked with just because of his lot in life.

      Ted Bundy didn’t look homeless, now did he? Jeffrey Dahmer had a pretty nice apartment by all accounts, and he was harmless, right?
      Looks can be deceiving…both ways.

      Sorry about your dad’s friend, but did it ever occur to you that it may have been neither of the reasons you stated? Of course not.
      If someone broke in, there would be signs of breaking and entering. If not, you can eliminate that possibility and blame the homeless…or anyone else the man might have opened the door for, which includes even your father (who I assume isn’t homeless). Who knows? Maybe your dad’s best friend was getting busy with your mom, so your dad offed the dude. We don’t just blame all unsolved crime on the homeless in this country.

      Again, you are an idiot…do you want to continue to prove my point for me?

      Dec 10, 2010 at 6:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.8   April

      Since he was gay I am guessing that didn’t happen. Wank.

      He had some down and out times in his life and so he was always willing to help out people in need and he was probably too trusting. He could have invited someone in to help them out and they killed him.

      It could have been a friend or aquaintence. It could have been a break in. Not everyone locks their doors religiously. There was no sign of a break in but the door was also unlocked when my dad found him that way after he had been dead several days and nobody knew. My dad came to visit him and found him there. Blunt trauma to the head and choked to death.

      How dare you accuse my father of murdering someone, most importantly his best friend? You are some kind of sick fuck. Since my dad was 3 hours away when the murder happened with me I doubt he had anything to do with it.

      Sorry you think you are oh so clever, but you aren’t. The fact of the matter is-as you said it is not safe to let strangers period into your home. Granted. But if I had to pick I would probably pick the stranger that seemed capable of holding down a job, bathing, seeking help from friends and family because they are sane enough to have friends etc rather than the stranger who looks like they cannot handle any of the above.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 12:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.9   April

      Also if I saw a well dressed guy in a suit going through my trash cans I would also be calling the cops just as quick. I don’t want ANYONE going through my trash. It is private and it is mine. So there you go.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 12:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.10   anglophile bang

      Sorry, April, refuse in your trash cans at the curb is NOT private. When are you going to stop covering up for your dad, anyway? We all know he did it.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 3:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.11   Canthz_B bang

      Ha! She did continue to prove it!!

      Murderers don’t usually lock the door behind them, April.
      Sorry your dad’s “down-low” booty call didn’t work out as he’d planned. I’m sure he’ll meet someone new.

      “Sorry you think you are oh so clever, but you aren’t. The fact of the matter is…” you don’t have to pick. You can keep any stranger you want out of your house, no matter how well-dressed he is.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 6:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.12   Canthz_B bang

      Here’s a thought, maybe the dude was getting busy with your dad and threatened to tell your mom about it, so your dad had him rubbed out…conveniently parking his own undercover gay ass 3 hours away with his doting daughter to establish a credible alibi.

      *note to self: no more law and order reruns*

      Dec 10, 2010 at 8:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.13   April

      Now who is bigoted? You are just assuming I have a mother? You are just assuming my father is straight? Wank. My father is gay too idiot.

      Dec 12, 2010 at 9:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.14   Canthz_B bang

      No…I was assuming your dad is gay (hint: not a lot of straight men have a gay man as their “best friend”). Turns out I was right. Was my little story that hard to get?
      So that’s what’s wrong with you. No male role models!
      I assumed you had a mother because human cloning is illegal, and that pod thing was just a science-fiction movie…or was it?

      Please take the time to look-up the word ‘bigot” before you try to use it: One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

      Three guesses which one of us that applies to. ;-)

      Dec 13, 2010 at 4:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.15   April

      No, you were assuming my father was a closet gay. Not even close. There is a huge difference. You are assuming I have a mother that raised me and has contact with me from your comments. That is fairly prejudiced and bigoted to just assume something like that. Now who is ignorant?

      My life and upbringing is fairly uncommon. But instead of asking about it you just jumped to conclusions about my family with no basis or reason and just thought I fell into your perfect little judgemental bubble. Sorry to disapoint you.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.16   Canthz_B bang

      Prejudiced and bigoted…I don’t think they mean what you think they mean, though I’ll admit to being presumptuous. But you can’t blame me for that, given your comments about homeless people, you hardly come across as a person raised in a household whose core teaching should have been tolerance, now do you?
      I mean, if a gay man can’t teach his daughter that all people should be treated with respect, no natter how different they may be from the “norm”, something is wrong with him, something is wrong with her, or something is wrong with the both of them.

      If it makes you any happier, substitute “significant other” wherever I wrote mom, and take out “down-low” and “undercover”. Happy now? Doesn’t change the motive (which is about cheating, has been ever since before you said the friend was gay), and the jokes still give me a giggle.
      But then, you’d probably just come back and say he’s not seeing anyone and hasn’t for a decade. You’re that kind of a person.
      No, there’s not a huge difference between being a closet homosexual and openly gay, sorry to disappoint you…they are all just as gay, and your daddy being out doesn’t make him some sort of a hero as opposed to someone who prefers to keep their sexuality private.
      You can’t label me a bigot just because I mentioned gays, I didn’t say anything against them. Did you bother to read the definition above I so graciously provided for you?

      There was no need to ask about your upbringing or your family’s lifestyle, because I was being facetious, and really couldn’t care less about it (neither does anyone else, BTW).
      If you had even the smallest bit of a sense of humor (or any of your meds left), you’d know that.

      If you really think this guy was just having homeless men over to be nice, you’re probably a little slow on the uptake.
      I’m sure he was giving them food and money, but I’ll bet dollars to doorknobs he was getting something in return.
      Like I said before, the homeless are more likely to be sexually abused than to be the abusers.
      Here’s another possibility for you…he invited some homeless man in who wasn’t willing to pay what your dad’s friend asked for the hot meal, and the guy tried to break his neck, then went upside his head in a big way.
      Call it self defense, or just covering his ass.

      I can only repeat again, that you are an idiot.

      Now who is ignorant? Find the nearest mirror and peer in.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 6:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.17   oi bang

      April you gave me headache. What do you think this is? Your personal journal? Keep writing about incidents in your life as the arguments against something as generalized as helping others. (That is totally valid comeback aye! Ever heard of something called TMI? Please spare the internet.)
      oh and why do you think that not taking advantage of tax return policy makes you superior? The bottom line is people who need help are getting help. or do you think the points are deducted from the total of bad/good deed balance numbers if somebody takes an advantage of tax return? Or if you don’t take an advantage you will get more points? I have to ask, how old are you? 14?

      About the headache: I will admit the life you fabricated on as needed basis is kinda unique but not really exciting enough to hold the interest. I’s suggest more drama like being raised by unicorn and a mermaid in the unfathomable depth of Arabic sea or something. ;)

      Dec 13, 2010 at 7:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.18   anglophile bang

      I resent that, oi. My MOTHER was a unicorn, you bigot!

      Dec 13, 2010 at 8:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.19   Canthz_B bang

      My DAD the merman would be highly upset over that comment, if he hadn’t been hooked by a fishing homeless person back in 1973!

      RIP Dad.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 8:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.20   April

      Nope my Dad was not seeing anyone at the time.
      Yep, I did say it because you can’t just assume and say stuff about people facetious or not, and not expect or allow them to contradict you. That is called fairness.

      See that is the thing. I did show you up because you did put me in a bubble and I blew it up in your face. Since when is not being tolerant of homeless people equated with not wanting to give them money? Who decided that rule? I guess all these established charities need to abolish themselves since they are doing NO good and are just funded by horrible people who are not tolerant. Wank.

      Dec 14, 2010 at 10:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.21   Hear Me Roar

      Idiot on display.

      Dec 15, 2010 at 7:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #39   Lisa

    @ sleeps: “who says you’re supposed to feel guilty about it?” Are you KIDDING me with that? Have you read the other comments?

    And pony girl, please do. The subdivision I live in isn’t public property. The streets and common areas are owned and maintained by the HOA. But yeah, if you’re really that hard up for a giggle, go ahead. THAT would really show the man!

    Dec 9, 2010 at 8:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #39.1   sleeps

      Yes I have, I think you’ll see my name liberally sprinkled throughout. You said you weren’t going to feel guilty because you can afford not to live in a shit hole. Nobody anywhere in these comments has said you should feel guilty for being successful and give away all your worldly goods. This letter (you know, the original topic of conversation?) was written to a person who lives in a gentrified urban area that is a few miles from downtown Atlanta. NOT A SUBURB. Whether or not you would call the cops if you saw what you believed to be a homeless person in your white-bread suburb has NO BEARING on the topic at hand, because the likelihood of it happening is virtually nonexistent. Which is why you leave your garage door open without worry. We get it. That’s why you moved there. It’s fine. Just don’t move into a hip downtown neighborhood and then say, “Gee, I wish all these smelly homeless that were here when I moved in would just go away.”

      Dec 10, 2010 at 8:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #39.2   Lisa

      No worries. I’m not nearly hip enough to move into a “hip downtown neighborhood.” I can drive to the venues, thanks. We made sure to drive through our target area at different times of the day, and on week-ends, just to be sure what we were getting into. The key here is to make sure you are NOT on the city bus route.

      And whomever said that garbage is public property, you are full of shit. That may fly in the ‘hood, but try that in a subdivision where people actually care about what’s going on and see what happens.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 7:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #39.3   pony girl

      @ Lisa,
      I just may.
      I happen to be intelligent enough to know when a neighborhood is private and when the streets and sidewalks are public.
      Besides the fact that there are usually signs, it’s not that difficult to look up.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 8:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #39.4   Canthz_B bang

      Lisa, once your garbage is at the curb, it’s no longer “yours”, it’s public property.

      There is case law on it (the cops don’t need a search warrant for it. Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures don’t apply to discarded trash), but I’m too lazy to look it up. You can if you’d like to.

      I think it has something to do with you having given up the presumption of privacy once you placed it out in a public space. Like I said, you can look it up.

      Side note: There’s probably more crime in your wonderful suburb than you know about, odds are that more than a few of your good neighbors are involved in a little white-collar crime. There are some dads screwing their daughters, and some wives being regularly abused.
      Incest and spousal abuse are still violent crimes, right?

      Read Peyton Place for God’s sake!

      Dec 10, 2010 at 10:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #39.5   anglophile bang

      Or you could just watch a couple of episodes of CSI.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 10:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #39.6   sleeps

      Jeepers, Lisa, thanks ever so much for the primer on how to ensure that you live in a completely homogeneous zone. If I ever think to myself, “How can I guarantee that my new home is completely insulated from anyone who doesn’t look exactly like me?”, I will be sure to re-read your gems of wisdom.

      Again, though, you seem to have missed the point; I wasn’t telling you not to move into a downtown neighborhood, I was speaking about the person who actually WROTE THIS NOTE. You have WELL established that you live in a completely homeless-free zone. FYI, while you may think that everything in the world concerns and applies to you, it doesn’t. Your point was asinine to begin with, and my efforts to explain that to you seem to be falling on deaf ears.

      Dec 11, 2010 at 12:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #39.7   Canthz_B bang

      I for one think Lisa fights poverty. She fights like hell to keep it far away from her. That her family is conscientious enough to run reconnaissance patrols downtown before a mission to the theater district is an indication of her compassion.

      She’ll fight like a pit bull for shelters…as long as they aren’t put in her neighborhood.
      She’ll fight like hell for “them” as long as “they” keep their distance and stay where “they” belong.

      Hell, her license plates probably read “NIMBY4U”!

      Dec 11, 2010 at 1:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #40   grendel

    I live in that neighborhood and the homeless are everywhere and constantly harassing the people in the area. Once when jumping my car, about 5 of them surrounded my car while I was connecting the jumpers and screamed about how the car was going to blow up. We politely ignored them during the process. Then they harassed me to give them money for ‘helping’.

    But really it’s hard to go Team PAN on this one. Feeding the homeless >>> giving money to the junkies that hang out in front of the record store.

    Dec 9, 2010 at 11:01 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #40.1   Canthz_B bang

      Did you take their advice? Maybe they did help.

      When you were about to connect the jumper cable to the fuel pump, a word to the wise was called for.

      After all, they’re homeless…not stupid. :-P

      Dec 11, 2010 at 7:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #41   oi

    Now I am being judged on my method of donation??!! That is have to be the epitome of the stupidity.
    The people bashing others for giving food to the homeless himself: Do you realize you are intruding two different peoples freedom?
    i) If I want to use my money to help certain specific person, who are you to tell me to do what you want to do with my money. Why do you expect me to listen?
    ii) The homeless guy wants a sandwich right there on that intersection who are you to dictate that he go to the community center?

    Dec 10, 2010 at 12:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #42   Tren

    I’m thinking many of these people simply dont like giving face to face because there are no tax benefits.

    You know how else are they going to afford the wave runner for chad AND the lexus for the missus.

    Its a sad state of affairs.

    Dec 10, 2010 at 2:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.1   April

      Maybe for some. Not my case for darn sure. We are 2 adults and 2 kids living on $40,000 a year. That is just above poverty level. We don’t even pay taxes because we are so poor according to the government and they would be right. I still give as much as we can to charity and still be able to pay our bills. I try to buy like nice name brand toys on clearance like after Christmas and then save them till next Christmas for the Toys for Tots box. I am thrifty so that my little charity money can go further to help others. It is kinda insulting for anyone to say I do it just for tax credits which is not true. Lexus…..bwhahah I wish.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 3:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.2   Naoyusimi

      Sorry, April: In real terms $40,000 for four might be poverty level–I mean, I think so–but according to the U.S. Health and Human Services, it is not. The link above (click my name) shows a chart for 2009. For the 48 contiguous states and D.C., poverty level is $22,050.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 3:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.3   Hobo

      $40,000 and you think you are poor? Oh, boo hoo! You might wanna try to budget your money better because that is NO WHERE NEAR the poverty line for a family of 4.

      Dec 10, 2010 at 10:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.4   Canthz_B bang

      It is poverty level if you want to look like you’re making $80,000 to your neighbors.

      Dec 11, 2010 at 1:45 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.5   April

      It is still not luxurious as you guys make it out to be or accuse us naysayers as being. We definitely do not have a Lexus or a Jetski. More like we have 10 year old carpet, a hand me down couch, old cars, etc. Budget my ass. I am still wearing clothes from high school as long as they still fit me. We don’t have cable or cell phones. We are living on the bare minimum for pretty much everything and we still make sure to donate a lot to charity in time and money.

      I don’t do charity work for tax credits. We don’t even pay taxes due to our income. We do it because it is the right thing to do. I support legitimate charities who can use the money wisely and efficiently and morally. I can’t guarantee the same if I give it to a random homeless person. That is the difference.

      Dec 12, 2010 at 9:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.6   anglophile bang

      Whatever, you don’t want to give money to a homeless person, don’t. That’s a completely different thing from writing a douchey note telling someone else not to feed the homeless.

      Do you really not see how fucked up that is?

      Dec 12, 2010 at 10:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.7   The Elf

      FWIW, “poverty level” depends entirely on the cost of living in that area. Poverty level in New York City means living high hog in West Virginia or Mississippi, with the biggest variance being the cost of housing. Absolute dollars mean nothing without the knowledge of the area in which they are earned and spent. There is a national figure, but it’s useless for a determination of individual family lifestyle.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 9:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #43   Heroin

    My dad (born in 1938) was ran away from home because his father was an extremely abusive monster. My dad was homeless from the age of 8 until his mid-20s.

    What’s my point? I don’t know really. Except maybe that those who are homeless probably don’t think it’s the best thing that ever happened to them and are just as worthy of your respect and compassion as any other human being.

    Oh, and they are worthy of food too.

    Dec 10, 2010 at 2:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #44   Naoyusimi

    You know what? I think that just about says it all, right there–uhhh, Heroin (may I call you “Heroin”?).

    Everyone above, myself included, is getting all wordy and outraged, about what should be done about the various social ills that contribute to the problem, and how to fix them, but you’ve come along and simplified it all. There are various reasons for homelessness–we all should remember that–for every grifter at a busy intersection, there’s a person who’s had a financial setback or domestic problem . . . but who cares about the reason, dammit? Not. the. point.
    You made the point: ” . . . and are just as worthy of your respect and compassion as any other human being.
    Oh, and they are worthy of food too.”

    Dec 10, 2010 at 4:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #44.1   Heroin

      You may. ;)

      Dec 13, 2010 at 6:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #45   Kate

    I’ve not read the whole thread but I think we should all remember that there but for the grace of God/ one bad choice go I.

    Dec 10, 2010 at 5:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #46   Kitran

    My family of four has lived on 40,000 dollars for many a year. That’s definitely not poor! My family pays taxes every single year! My parents are also the thriftiest people in the universe. 40k is generally thought of as solidly middle-class.

    Perhaps the issue is that you’re trying to keep up with the Joneses? Unless you live in a large city where the costs of living are very high- 40k is a decent amount of money to make.

    Dec 10, 2010 at 7:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #46.1   April

      We get by. We actually are fairly thrifty too. Unfortunately we have ungodly medical bills. Not something we can control. We definitely do not keep up with the Joneses. Again old cars, no cable, no cell phones. You should see the strange looks we get when we tell people we don’t have cable or cell phones!

      With two kids in diapers and on special formula and high risk pregnancy and birth and a special needs child all of that ate up our money. I have medical problems too that consistently eat up money. Most of it goes to food, mortgage, utilities, and stuff for our kids and medical bills gets the rest of it.

      I am not trying to whine about our financial status I am just pointing out that I do not do charity work and give to charity for tax purposes. Not at all. Does not apply. I do it because it is the right thing to do. End of story and we are not living in the lap of luxury either.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 9:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #46.2   April

      ps the main reason this whole “Discussion” got started was I said I don’t give money to random homeless I happen upon. Main reason being because a high ranking police officer friend of mine told me not to. He said some will use it to get high and then could end up arrested or dead. So I did not really help them did I? Also since I am kinda a fragile looking woman he worried that when I opened my purse/wallet to give them money they would go ahead and decide to hold me up for all of it rather than the couple bucks I was going to give them which he claims does happen.

      I took his advice and no longer give out cash period. I will either offer to bring them back food or direct them to a shelter and my charity money goes directly to organizations who can use it responsibly.

      Does not make me a dick because I say “Sorry not today” when they ask me for money. Just makes me responsible and cautious. When I do offer to get them food they usually tell me “No”.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 9:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #46.3   April

      Okay medium income for my county is 48,037 for a family. 38,000 per household. So yeah way below for family average and slightly above for household average. I looked it up on Wiki so that may or may not be right but I read something similar not that long ago which is where I got that we were not doing that well compared to others so it is probably fairly close.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 9:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #46.4   Canthz_B bang

      Do you mean median when you say medium? Because medium isn’t a statistical term, it’s a shirt size, but not a meaningful statistical term.

      Try using a mode, median or mean to say something which has meaning.

      Your comment has none.

      Now, if you meant median, that means that half of income is above, and half below.
      If you make 40k and median is 48k (taking your numbers as a given, though I don’t in my gut think that’s right), you are nowhere near poverty level if you construct a bell curve.
      You’re in the statistical middle of an extremely skewed curve. Far fewer, make the highest amount of money than earn the lowest amounts, and those upper income levels are way out in front of the norms. But then, it’s fairly obvious you’ve never studied statistics, so why bother?
      Suffice it to say that you are lower-middle class…nowhere near poverty level in any area of the US for a family of four living a normal life.
      If you endure the privations you describe above (no cable, no cell phones, etc.) with 40k and only two children, you’re doing something wrong. If you filed taxes, your tax deductions for the two crumb-snatchers would about cover that these days.
      Furthermore, if you have a legitimate income of 40K, you pay taxes if you’re in the USA. You may get a tax return, but taxes come out of your paycheck if you’re employed, and you’re supposed to pay quarterly if self-employed. So that “we don’t pay taxes because we’re so poor” is a lot of crap. Uncle Sam takes his, then gives it back after you file, if you’ve paid more than you owe after you file your tax returns. So, yes, if you’re in the US, you pay taxes out of every paycheck. You may get it all back, but it’s taken out of your paycheck each pay period.

      Comparisons to others isn’t what poverty level is about, not at all. Poverty level is about how much money is needed to reach a certain minimal standard of living (not whether income taxes come out of your paycheck, which is based upon how many deductions you claim on your W-4 which determines how much they take out in the first place), not in comparison to the standards of living of others. So, you’re using the statistics to say something they are not intended to say in the first place.
      Otherwise, we are pretty much all poor because our standard of living is nowhere near that of Bill Gates or Oprah Winfrey…even at a million dollars a year.

      Sad, just sad. Please stop proving my point.
      That being that you are an idiot.
      You didn’t…please don’t say you did…you didn’t vote, did you? :-(

      Dec 14, 2010 at 1:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #46.5   April

      I vote.

      Duh, yes, we pay taxes and then get every penny back plus earned income. I figured that was obvious without being said. Now who is the dumb one?

      Actually I did study statistics. Took it in college and got an A. I did mean to say median but my brain typed the wrong but similar word. Everyone does that kind of thing all the time.

      If you paid attention above I posted we have more than our fair share of high medical bills. That comes from having a special needs child, a child with severe food allergies, a chronic health problem, an adult with severe food allergies, and bad medical history and genetics. What we would pay for cable and internet every month goes to medical bills. A sensible person would backpedal and apologize for criticizing someone for something that is actually quite sad and not their fault, but my guess is you won’t.

      Dec 14, 2010 at 10:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #46.6   Hear Me Roar

      wow, all that hardship in your own life, but you still cannot see that the homeless just may have had it just as bad or more forcing them into homelessness?

      April, you suck big time!

      Dec 15, 2010 at 7:15 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #47   molly moon

    keep feeding the homeless, simply feed them poison!

    Dec 11, 2010 at 6:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #48   oskar

    The real beauty is that notewriter probably lives there because he got a good deal on his property because of the ‘bohemian’ element of the neighborhood. Now that he has used the presence of the homeless to financially benefit himself (via lower property value when he bought) IT’S TIME FOR THEM TO GET OUT OF *MY* NEIGHBORHOOD!!!!
    L5P is a sucking shadow of it’s former self, and it’s because of the douchbag notewriters, not the homeless. Other than Wax’n'facts and the Star Bar there’s no longer any reason to go.

    Dec 12, 2010 at 11:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #49   Strange

    Okay, these comments are already a shitstorm, but as a recently-homed homeless person myself, I figured I’d put my two cents in.

    The biggest problem in my opinion is that people want to lump all homeless into one category. Either they’re “good” people or “bad” people or thieves or druggies or down on their luck or what have you, but the truth is that they’re just PEOPLE. They have their own personalities and individual circumstances that led to them having no home. And yes, some of those are because they’re strung-out psychos, but there are many more who aren’t.

    There’s a lot of misconception about mental illness, too. A condition that makes you unable to hold down a job doesn’t always translate to “violent criminal”. Unmedicated, I have panic attacks too extreme to hold any kind of job where I have to interact with people. I couldn’t afford medicine because I didn’t have a job, and it was only through the charity of other people that I was able to get to a facility that had job training and assistance programs. So yes, giving to foundations is helpful provided the homeless can get there.

    But commenters who are completely against giving any kind of food to the homeless? I’m going to bet that you’ve never been really, truly, gut-gnawingly hungry. All the charity and well-organized assistance in the world is fabulous, but sometimes a person just desperately needs to eat.

    I’m back on my feet but still below the poverty line, but I’ll give a homeless person a high calorie snack if I’m passing by. Whoever you are and however you got where you are today, no one *really* deserves to starve. No one person can feed everyone, but there’s no shame in helping.

    Dec 12, 2010 at 2:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #49.1   April

      I am glad you got help and are back on your feet. :)

      Dec 13, 2010 at 9:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #50   Jessica

    My a few high school friends of mine decided to go eat lunch with some people in a park one day. Just meet some strangers and make so friends. They saw it as equivalent of striking up conversation with someone on a airplane, or talking to the guy next to you at the bar, or making small talk at a friendly neighborhood coffee-shop. Just an act of friendliness with no strings attached.

    It turned into a small-scale monthly potluck that’s been going on for four years. We don’t feed the homeless, we simply invite everyone and anyone to come eat at a potluck lunch from downtown Orlando. And yes, many homeless do come – but about as many non-homeless come:

    If nothing else, its taught me that people desire community and friendship, whether you have a home or not.

    Some people on this board have acted like choosing to be homeless is wrong, morally or otherwise. Why?

    I know lots of people who are homeless by choice – for example, those who thru-hike the Appalachian Trail. Nothing wrong with that, right? I have a friend who currently lives in a yurt in a friend’s backyard. Beats paying $600 a month or more for rent. She’s not poor at all – She’s working on my master’s degree, has a job, lots of savings, and no debt whatsoever. She take showers at the gym. Being homeless is a great way to save money.

    In the end, I just think its ridiculous for anyone to cast judgment on anyone. I don’t give money to homeless people, even the ones that I am friends with, but I don’t cast judgment on them either. If you want to give money to homeless people, so be it. If you don’t, so be it.

    One final note: I once rode my bicycle across america to raise money for a non-profit organization that builds wells for communities without access to clean water in Africa. There was a group of homeless people in Tyler, Texas that heard about the bicycle ride three months before we came though, and they saved up money to give us $2,000 to donate to this non-profit. Here’s the story:

    In conclusion: don’t judge. don’t believe stereotypes. not all homeless are drug addicts. not all Passive Aggressive Note readers are addicted to the internet and have no life.

    Dec 13, 2010 at 11:09 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #50.1   anglophile bang

      not all Passive Aggressive Note readers are addicted to the internet and have no life

      All through your comment, I was feeling bad for thinking you were pompous and self-aggrandizing, Jessica. Thanks for making it easier for me.

      Dec 13, 2010 at 12:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #51   Gladystopia

    Wow, these comments are …intense.

    (Resisting the temptation to say they were “fucking delicious” is taking a lot more energy than it ought to.)

    So let me get this straight. We don’t like homeless people; we don’t like ppl who feed the homeless; we don’t like ppl who DON’T feed the homeless. We don’t like those who give money/food/advice/jobs/gift cards to the homeless; except when we like them better than those who DON’T give them those things.

    We agree that the homeless are unfortunate, mentally ill, hard-working, underserved…except when they’re scammers who don’t deserve the plethora of governmental and charitable resources thrown at them. We hate the ingrates, but we also don’t like the ones who thank us profusely for the coins/food/advice we give them, because THOSE homeless ppl are just scammers who buy their ragged clothes at the nearest bohemian vintage-clothing shop, and practice their grateful weeping in the mirror back at their Wicker Park condo.

    We agree that everyone who does not share our opinion of homelessness, who disagree in even the slightest detail, are complete raving assholes who’ve either been brainwashed by liberals or have sucked a little too long on the low-hanging teats of the Fox News crowd.

    I can’t resist any longer: These comments are fucking delicious…if by “fucking delicious” I mean “making me want to lock my doors and windows, unplug my computer forever, and possibly don some tin-foil headgear before consuming a bottle of Vicodin and a box of white Zinfandel.”

    In fact, I think I’ll just go look at some lolcats now.

    Dec 13, 2010 at 1:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #51.1   Canthz_B bang

      Well, speaking only for myself, I just don’t like simplistic answers to complex issues. There are none, so when they are offered, well hell…I just can’t resist shooting them down!

      Oh, and stupid…I can’t stand stupid, except that it makes for really good sport! You don’t even have to hunt stupid, it comes running right up to the barrel of your gun. Just pull the trigger! :-P

      Dec 14, 2010 at 12:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #52   brad

    i didn’t read all the responses, so this may have been said before, but Little Five Points is a unique place in Atlanta. I used to hang out there as a kid, and it was one of those places where people saw it as seedy because there were tons of homeless people, punks, skinheads, hippies, and all sorts of social outcasts. It was fantastic.

    it was also fairly safe because there was a lot of drug dealing going on, and the police had this sort of unofficial agreement that, as long as they weren’t called out there they would turn a blind eye. Believe me, I saw what happened to two guys that tried to rob a place out there, and it wasn’t pretty. Let’s just say, they were glad when the police finally arrived.

    In recent years the folks that grew up hanging out there have come back and turned it into a sort of family attraction complete with a police station where the best pizza place in atlanta used to be. The squat houses are being replaced with designer homes, and the shops are much more trendy. Now, when you go there, you see hipsters and their grandpas. It’s sad that such a wonderful, dynamic place, has fallen prey to hipsters trying to recapture youth, just like so many places last generation fell prey to the yuppies.

    Dec 14, 2010 at 9:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #53   Wordtinker doesnt smith bang

    I just want to know if Lamar actually rolled on the floor laughing at his neighbor’s stupidity.

    Dec 16, 2010 at 2:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #53.1   botch bang

      He did we all did I’m Kenny the one who submitted this!

      Dec 24, 2010 at 9:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #54   Canthz_B bang

    If you don’t want to feed the homeless, then why support feeding the housed (meals-on-wheels, food pantries, edible panties)? Is the fine line between just being able to keep a roof over their heads, and becoming homeless really so broad?

    (Many thanks to you, food pantries. The food was greatly appreciated in my time of need. Happy to be able to give back now more than I received.)

    Dec 26, 2010 at 8:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up


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