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Pets? Sure. Foreigners? Hells no!

January 4th, 2011 · 167 comments

I wouldn’t call these two PA notes passive-aggressive — just “pretty awful.”

First up, from St. John’s, Newfoundland:

FOR RENT: Basement Apartment - $600 a month. If you are from a foreign country in the Middle East or Asia, please, by all means, call or come by, but I will not be renting your family this apartment. Freshly painted, pets are welcome, close to all major amenities.

Update: As commenter Reb points out: The “ad” from St. John’s is actually part of a Human Rights Commission campaign that’s trying to bring attention to discrimination like this; it’s not a real ad. Notice, for example, the lack of a phone number.

But this one, from Davisburg, Michigan is 100% real — and, as commenter James notes, not uncommon.

Please don't park Japanese cars in front of my office park the damn things in Japan. I first posted this in my window in 1992. A lot of people still don't get it. I remember one lady that got quite indignant after reading this years ago. It would be fitting for her unemployment to have run out and if you drive one, I hope that you are one of the next ones laid off. GRANT

Please don't park Japanese cars in front of my office park the damn things in Japan. I first posted this in my window in 1992. A lot of people still don't get it. I remember one lady that got quite indignant after reading this years ago. It would be fitting for her unemployment to have run out and if you drive one, I hope that you are one of the next ones laid off. GRANT

PLEASE DON’T PARK JAPANESE CARS IN FRONT OF MY OFFICE PARK THE DAMN THINGS IN JAPAN. I first posted this in my window in 1992. A lot of people still don’t get it. I remember one lady that got quite indignant after reading this years ago. It would be fitting for her unemployment to have run out and if you drive one, I hope that you are one of the next ones laid off. GRANT

(Thanks to Shawn in Canada and Sarah in Michigan for submitting!)

related: Dear Foreign Workers at the VW plant: we hope you enjoy these jobs…because we paid for them!

FILED UNDER: Canada · casual xenophobia · landlords and property managers · Michigan · misplaced patriotism · not so much passive-aggressive · parking · WTF?

167 responses so far ↓

  • #1   Havingfitz

    Hmm…my car was put together in America but I think some the parts were made in Japan. Just to be on the safe side, I will not park here. Think I’ll park inside an apartment in Newfoundland instead: it’s close to amenities, you know.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 8:12 am   rating: 16  small thumbs up

  • #2   Captain Calypso

    Someone needs to park a Hyundai in front of that guy’s office just to mess with him. It’s Korean, not Japanese.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 8:15 am   rating: 76  small thumbs up

  • #3   GeekAaron

    So the guy in Michigan is fine with foreign cars as long as they are not from Japan?

    Jan 4, 2011 at 8:18 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   jfruh

      My stepmother’s dad was a WWII vet who saw nasty fighting in the Pacific and always swore he’d never drive a “Jap” car. Given what he’d been through, I’d have given his attitude some slack, had he not been a Jew who drove a BMW.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 8:43 am   rating: 154  small thumbs up

    • #3.2   Canthz_B bang

      Well, Mitsubishi did manufacture the Zero fighters which attacked Pearl Harbor, and killed a lot of guys during the conflict.

      I get the guy, and respect his feelings. Must be hard to watch comrades-in-arms die.

      Not that he’s right or anything, but I get him.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:06 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #3.3   Captain Calypso

      Yes, what about German cars? Could I park my Volkswagen in front of his office? Or, if he hates the French, how about a Renault or Peugeot?

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:31 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #3.4   The Elf

      You’re assuming that Peugeot will go far enough to get to the parking spot.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:51 am   rating: 71  small thumbs up

    • #3.5   Citrico

      I only get him if he also refuses to drive VWs, since the company was began by Hitler, who also gets some design credit for the Beetle.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 2:50 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #3.6   GhostWriter bang

      Pshaw! Giving credit to Hitler for “designing” the Beetle is like giving credit to Steve Jobs for “inventing” the graphic user interface.

      They both stole the ideas from others; at least Jobs didn’t have the true inventor arrested by the Gestapo…

      Jan 4, 2011 at 3:25 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #3.7   anglophile bang

      jfruh, that is an awesome anecdote. Do you get a lot of mileage from it?

      Jan 4, 2011 at 4:08 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #3.8   AuntyBron

      WTF? Bigots aren’t usually so discriminating.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 4:28 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #3.9   schambers

      I think this guy is ignorant and thinks that foreign = Japanese.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 4:36 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #3.10   Citric

      Ghostwriter: He does get some design credit though – note that I didn’t say he designed it, just that he gets some credit – because he did guide the styling details and demanded it look happy. Engineering credit, no, you’re right. I’m assuming that you’re referring to the Tatra which had its engineering, layout and what have you completely ripped off. And, of course, it early prototypes did look like the Tatra it was ripping off, and conveniently forced out of production when Czechoslovakia was invaded.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 6:25 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #3.11   Danny

      Canthz_B: I live about 15 miles from a Mistubishi plant where they make some cars. My house is in Central Illinois. When I last checked, Illinois wasn’t particularly close to Japan.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 8:12 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #3.12   Canthz_B bang

      Danny, what part of “not that he’s right or anything” did you find hard to understand?
      How often do you check? Is the Great State of Illinois frequently on the rapid move, that rascal?! Because last time I checked, plate tectonics takes a really long time to make a difference!

      Besides, where do you think the corporate profits go? Central Illinois? The guy has an issue with the bottom line, not line jobs. He doesn’t want to enrich Japanese corporations…I’m guessing because Japanese soldiers were trying to end his life at an early age, not because he just hates “Japs” for no reason at all. I don’t think he gives a care where they do business, just that he’s not willing to support their businesses if he can help it.
      Please also realize the reasons there’s a plant in your area. It’s cheaper to manufacture here and not have the added expense of trans-Pacific shipping (any idea what it costs to insure a shipload of new automobiles? I don’t know either, but it can’t be cheap). Keeps the prices of the cars competitive. It’s also good PR. The economy is global, but good PR is local.

      I said I get the guy, not that I agree with him.

      Some of my best friends are Japanese cars! :-P

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:25 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #3.13   TippingCows

      Citrico, did you began this conversation with a generalization that needed to be clarified?

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:47 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #3.14   Canthz_B bang

      Citrico, I’m pretty sure that if the guy had seen action in the European or North African theaters during WWII, he’d be against German cars. But he fought in the Pacific theater against the Japanese.
      Germans didn’t kill his buddies.

      Get him now?

      TC, I see what you did there! LOL

      Jan 4, 2011 at 11:12 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #3.15   Odious

      It’s not the shipping that’s the incentive. Tariffs, export tax, duties, import taxes, customs and trade agreements all add thousands of dollars to the cost of an import. (25% of the cost of a Japanese SUV is just the light-duty tariff, which is then used to bail out Detroit for making continual crap decisions even when they were told their ship would sink). One reason for a stiff import taxes is to force the company to investing in domestic assembly. There are dozens of other reasons and the list that grew over time is now contained in a thick customs book. Plus, due to divestment schemes of the 80s/90s GM owns 49% of Isuzu and 20% of Subaru. Ford owns .33% of Mazda. DaimlerChrysler owns 37% of Itchypussy. If we didn’t buy Japanese cars, Detroit wouldn’t be in the auto industry today. Is it safe to say that the note-writer never shops at Wal-Mart (where the Chinese-made products don’t support American unionization)?

      Bascially, the writer’s an ill-informed douchebag. It would be creative to fill his street with a rotation: SaaB, BMW, LandRover, VW, maybe scrape an old Yugo or two…

      Jan 5, 2011 at 2:58 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #3.16   Canthz_B bang

      All valid points, Odious…I was just giving an obvious example of a business savings, not attempting to cover the field.
      Can’t overwhelm some folks with facts, ya know.

      Well done, nonetheless. ;-)

      Jan 5, 2011 at 5:33 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #3.17   a-Arialist

      Personally, I’d have no problem in buying a Japanese car – they’re pretty much the most reliable you can buy. Plus, I don’t hold grudges against the Japanese – when the post WWII ban on their having an offensive army was lifted, the country voted overwhelmingly not to have an army. I think that’s a pretty huge indication of how much Japan has changed as a nation and deserves support.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 5:56 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #3.18   Canthz_B bang

      They don’t need to spend money on an “offensive” army, or really much on a defensive army (which they happen to have), because the US has pledged to protect them.
      Just like there’s a NATO, there was a SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) until 1977.
      The US still covers Japan’s butt though.
      Sorry for the history lesson, but I always think it a good idea to know what my country’s treaty obligations are at any given time.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 7:17 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #3.19   slythwolf

      You guys are missing some crucial information: the nine people in Michigan who can currently afford European cars don’t street-park them.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 9:35 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #3.20   Priss

      Yep! So feel free to park a small fleet of BMWs right in front of the place. :)

      I know my car and all it’s parts were made in Ohio. Funny little HOnda, that one.

      But I bet his Chevy has a “Hecho en Mexico” sticker on it somewhere. Bet that would make his ignorant brain explode.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 8:59 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #4   Mo®

    You okay? Fuck you guy! Okay! I park on your privates!

    Jan 4, 2011 at 8:20 am   rating: 88  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   Who? Me?

      I see a trend coming …

      Note to self: check in with WotV on future use of “Bad Park You” jokes before being wished into the cornfield.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 1:14 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #4.2   wright1

      +1 for referring to one of the most terrifying stories I ever read as a kid. Thanks for the memories 8O

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:40 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #4.3   Who? Me?

      For a minute there, you had me feeling old too …

      Then I realized you said “stories I ever read”, and huge relief poured over me. I’m not that old. I never “read” that story.

      I just”watched” it on the teevee … :-)

      Seriously, thanks for the thumb and I agree, it was an awesome story.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 3:29 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #4.4   Woman on the Verge bang

      Who? Me? At this point, “Bad Park You” is not yet horrific. Feel free to use it at will.

      *opinion subject to change without notice

      Jan 5, 2011 at 8:46 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

  • #5   kermit

    At the risk of stereotyping, only rich Asian/Saudi Arabian people who have never heard of Newfoundland would be silly enough to pay $600/month for a basement apartment there.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 8:48 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

  • #6   Canthz_B bang

    Asians and Middle Easterners don’t like basement apartments anyway.
    Now if she were attempting to rent a yurt, this note would be discriminatory!

    They should be allowed to rent the apartment, as long as they park their camel down the damned street.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 8:53 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   Woman on the Verge bang

      But only if it’s a Japanese camel.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:40 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

    • #6.2   park rose

      How very dromedary* of you, WotV.
      You know, it ain’t even hump day, though it will be my way in 13 minutes.

      *Just tying in note one and two there even further . . . No-one knows much about that wily even-toed ungulate, the Bactrian camel.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:51 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #6.3   Nunavut Guy

      Would it be okay if I move in with my pet foreigner?She is quiet,litter trained and has no opposable thumbs so bomb making is out of the question.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:58 am   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #6.4   Who? Me?

      Oooh, I want one! I’ve been looking at these from the “creepy baby” store (check out pictures 2 , 3 and 4), but they all look too American to me.

      But what I really want is a pet foreigner … just like yours.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 1:04 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #6.5   Nunavut Guy

      Okay,that was one dam creepy-assed site.At least you have curbed any breeding aspirations I may have had.

      My pet foreigner can sleep safe.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 4:23 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #6.6   WMDKitty

      @Who? Me?

      Hoooooly fuck…

      *shudders and twitches*

      Jan 4, 2011 at 5:33 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #6.7   farcical aquatic ceremony

      @ Who? Me?

      awesome, just…awesome…multiple snorts of laughter were induced : )

      I’m totally mystified by the fact that there’s a MARKET for any of that crap.

      SHIT. That should definitely have read “shit” — you know, the way babies come from an act of sweaty adult fun, NOT from eggs…

      Jan 4, 2011 at 6:07 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #6.8   seacurs

      There are eggs involved. Just not of the easter egg variety.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 7:07 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #6.9   Who? Me?

      I know, I know … some experiences are just too, too, I don’t know … je ne sais quois.

      I learned about that site just the other day, fortunately I didn’t have to bite my tongue too long before sharing it with you all here. This crowd deserves to know about the creepy baby store, the universe demands it somehow.

      @farcical aquatic ceremony, apparently there’s not much of a market for creepy babies, especially near DISNEYLAND (*@&!&&^, can you even imagine?) … the store, she be going out of business, even as we speak.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 7:25 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #7   LainTexas

    The local fair housing authority would have a field day with the apartment rental ad. National origin cannot be used as a criterion for selecting renters.
    Discrimination lawsuit here we come.

    Regarding the Japanese car idiot, I wonder what type of business he owns. He must be doing amazingly well to choose clients based on the type of car he drives.

    He realizes that he can’t actually enforce his request, right??

    Jan 4, 2011 at 9:02 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   James

      I grew up in Michigan (Flint area, where a lot of auto plants are), and, unfortunately, this type of thing is quite commonplace there. You almost never see foreign cars on the road, and it’s even more rare to see Asian cars there (most foreign cars you see are of the German variety). My brother-in-law, who works as an auto salesman, said that we shouldn’t try to trade our Nissan in at his car dealership, because they will refuse to take it. They won’t sell any foreign cars there.

      Here are some more examples of these lovely signs:

      So, yeah, that second note is not a surprise to me at all, and probably isn’t a surprise to many who are from Michigan. Nevermind the fact that these American car companies like to build plenty of their cars in Mexico, and a lot of these Asian cars that you see in the USA are actually built in the USA.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:25 am   rating: 16  small thumbs up

    • #7.2   Hirayuki

      I was born and raised here in metro Detroit. You see more foreign (including Japanese) cars here now, though the “Out Of A Job Yet? Keep Buying Foreign!” bumper stickers are all over the place. Again, this conveniently disregards all the US plants for overseas cars, including at least one in MI, I believe.

      My dad’s a quality inspector with the DoD and knows better. My parents drive a Toyota and a Subaru. So do we.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:48 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #7.3   ionjohnny

      what’s silly about that is that just over the state line in ohio, there is a giant Honda plant employing thousands of americans.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:50 am   rating: 21  small thumbs up

    • #7.4   RBX

      I used to live in Michigan and saw this from time to time. I thought it was amusing, too, considering a lot of Fords are built in Mexico, and my Honda Accord was built in Ohio.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:51 am   rating: 12  small thumbs up

    • #7.5   Ten

      The point is not the business he owns, the point is that the whole economy of Michigan is suffering because of all the car plant closures. It starts with the auto plants, then everyone else loses their jobs because there’s just no money there anymore.

      -says the Ohio native who moved to Texas because the Ohio economy is suffering for the same reason.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 11:48 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #7.6   TippingCows

      I concur; I lived in MI for a year. This attitude was everywhere. In the northeast we call it “retarded”. (Or “retahded”).

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:49 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #7.7   Nahhh bang

      James said, in part: “Nevermind the fact that these American car companies like to build plenty of their cars in Mexico…”

      …and Canada. My mid-90s Ford Taurus was made in Canada.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 1:36 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #8   Lil

    People in MI are nuts about what type of car you drive. If you think about it, it makes some sense. He probably doesn’t actually work for one of the big 3, but over half his family does. When the car companies started laying off, 3 people in my small family alone got laid off. There are tons of anti-foreign bumper stickers plastered all over the back of trucks and shit around here.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 9:21 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #9   Reb

    The “ad” from St. John’s is actually part of a Human Rights Commission campaign that’s trying to bring attention to discrimination like this; it’s not a real ad. Notice, for example, the lack of a phone number.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 9:25 am   rating: 29  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   Woman on the Verge bang

      I believe this – especially because it appears to be a computer font, not real handwriting.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:44 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #9.2   unholyghost2003 bang

      lame, unfunny question here since you seem to know something about this … What are the regulations in Canada regarding discriminatory rental practices? I saw LainTexas above saying local fair housing authority would bring a discrimination suit, but “Basement Apartment” would suggest that the apartment is part of a private home (like a Mother-In-Law apartment that is in what is otherwise a single family dwelling). My understanding of US law (with possible exceptions for local municipal statutes) is that landlords of these sorts of attached apartments (as opposed to large complexes) can discriminate any way they please, similar to the way small companies are exempt from EOE regulations they are exempt from fair housing regulations.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:44 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #9.3   neilends bang

      unholyghost2003: Good question, but your understanding is not correct. Federal US law prohibits racial discrimination in housing and all other forms of business that is offered to the public. The jurisdictional issue you’re thinking of only applies to discrimination in employment situations. Federal *employment* law applies only to companies of over 15 employees, but even that point is basically moot because employment laws passed at the state level essentially prohibit racial discrimination as well, in all states.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:16 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #9.4   allisor

      This outlines the rules pretty well. You’re right about small-time landlords being able to discriminate how they want–but they can’t ADVERTISE a preference based on race/religion/etc… for what that’s worth.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:20 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #9.5   Canthz_B bang

      And you CAN discriminate in employment, but only if a person’s ethnicity, etc. would make it impossible or nearly so to do the job. Little known fact, but I majored in Human Resources Management.

      For example: You probably wouldn’t want to hire an orthodox Jew to be your regional sales rep in Saudi Arabia. Arabs aren’t particularly known for trusting Jews.

      As to housing, discrimination happens all the time. Every now and again someone does a spot check where they give a White prospective tenant and a Black one identical profiles and have them go apartment hunting.They send the Black one in first, and sometimes they’re told the apartment has already been rented.
      Then they send the White one in, and they are offered the apartment.
      Then there’s “red-lining”, which is a horse of a different color whereby Realtors “steer” prospective home-buyers into certain neighborhoods based upon the buyer’s race.

      Laws are nice. Enforceability is better. Advertising that you’re a racist is as stupid as actually being a racist. ;-)

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:41 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #9.6   neilends bang

      It’s not just the advertisement of discriminatory intent that’s illegal, to be clear. The actual act of discrimination is illegal, and strictly enforced not only by federal agencies but by the threat of civil lawsuits that any individual can file.

      And yeah, I’m sure the law is broken now and then. So is the law against murder.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 11:20 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #9.7   Canthz_B bang

      You were quite clear the first time, thanks.

      I’m pretty sure most murders are investigated a bit more vigorously than housing discrimination cases, but you go ahead and run with that comparison if you’d like.

      Enforced yes, strictly…sadly no. Why? Because it’s really hard to prove you didn’t get the apartment because of your race as opposed to the many other reasons you could be turned down.
      Let’s say I don’t want to rent to you because you’re from some country I don’t happen to like…prove it. I’ll just say I didn’t trust your references. Case closed.
      Suits can be brought, but without clear evidence what’s the point? That’s why the sting operations I described above are done.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 12:01 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #9.8   neilends bang

      What are you getting all hissyfitty about? I was referring to someone else’s comment about the substance of the law. And as to your point, it sounds like you’re just making this up as you go along rather than on some tangible evidence, ironically. The threat of being plowed into the ground financially by a lawsuit is actually a pretty scary one for most landlords in American society today. The law has teeth specifically because it created private civil remedies that citizens could invoke on their own even if the government has chosen not to investigate or prosecute. It’s largely been a legislative success in stamping out discrimination.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 5:55 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #9.9   Canthz_B bang

      Hissyfitty? I don’t think so, but that’s purely your subjective view and I respect that.

      Yes, the law has teeth, my point is that it’s not very easy to enforce since violations of the law can be difficult to prove.
      I’m making nothing up.
      As an African-American who has looked for housing I can afford in good neighborhoods and and not gotten the residence, I know firsthand when it just doesn’t feel right.
      There’s just not much one can do about it without proof.
      I know what I sound like on the phone, and I know a look of surprise when I see one when I introduce myself in person. I know discomfort when I see it, and I know a lie when I hear one. Tangible evidence is a whole other story.

      Really, I have no reason to make up any of my life experiences…and quite frankly, I don’t see anything that looks made-up, except the obviously hypothetical scenario I offered. Why are you so intent on acting as though life is peachy-keen for everyone?
      It’s not, so take your head out of the sand (or your law books) and experience real life.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 6:11 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #9.10   neilends bang

      I’m a darkie too dude, and don’t recall saying jack squat about the peachiness of life for anyone. I’m sure exactly what you describe has happened to you, a lot, and it’s wrong. But while Granny may well get away with it for her basement room, if a landlord persists he is at serious risk of getting nailed sooner or later. People act according to financial interests in this world. The evidence is not actually that hard to procure, once a lawyer has gotten someone on his or her radar. Sting operations are only one method. Neighborhood demographics, business records, statistics showing patterns, etc all come into play.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 6:33 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #9.11   Canthz_B bang

      Talk about “hissyfitty”! :-P

      “Sooner or later” requires a body of evidence. That takes time, and is usually of very little use to the individuals who were denied housing.
      That body of evidence is often built using the type of sting I described above.
      I’m pretty sure I already mentioned “red-lining”, so yes, I know demographic data can be used in investigations. Thanks for telling me what I already told you I understand.
      I never said sting operations are the ONLY method, just that they produce results. Did you expect me to list every possible investigative method available?
      What’s your major malfunction?

      I don’t know what you may be (no matter what you claim online), but I’m no “darkie”. Especially one who says “dude” very often. ;-)

      “People act according to financial interests in this world.”

      Really? You must be very young. People don’t act according to financial interests in this world when it comes to racism and bigotry. They’d rather lose money than take yours. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have had to sit-in at lunch counters to get the five-and-dime stores to accept our money. Could have paid to stay in any motel or hotel in the land as long as we had the money. Could even have gotten some “white blood” if we were bleeding to death, but had a full wallet.

      Yes. You’re a darkie alright. You need to step and fetch some history books. :-(

      Jan 5, 2011 at 6:39 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #9.12   neilends bang

      Oh for pete’s sake. So far you’ve nitpicked me on clarity, enforcement, darkies, dudeology… am I missing anything? In this country we enforce laws according to admissible evidence. If you expected some bizarro thought police to run around to meet your expected standards of enforcement, on behalf of the entire justice system, I humbly apologize.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 7:41 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #9.13   Canthz_B bang

      Didn’t say I expect anything of the sort. Just pointed out that sans admissible evidence, the laws are toothless, that gut feelings are not admissible evidence and that gut feelings are frequently all one has in such cases.

      Haven’t you been reading, Sparky? ;-)

      Jan 5, 2011 at 8:15 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #9.14   unholyghost2003 bang

      by passing the fight to say that 1. I know that EOE laws are NOT the same as housing laws, which is why I said “SIMILAR” to small companies … not “DUE TO.”
      alisor is correct regarding the US law. A basement apartment of the type I described falls under one (possibly two) of the four exemptions to the Fair Housing Act. I already knew this to be true in the US which is why I was asking specifically about the Canadian law.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 8:23 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #9.15   neilends bang

      Except Racist Granny also has to comply with state law, in the US, which may have no such exemptions (as is often the case with federal versus state employment discrimination laws). In any event, we’re discussing the nuances here of a fake ad. And Canada? Fake country, let’s face it.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 8:39 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #9.16   unholyghost2003 bang

      Which is why I said in my original post ” (with possible exceptions for local municipal statutes)”

      Jan 5, 2011 at 8:41 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #9.17   neilends bang

      Yeah but that was a long time ago.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 8:44 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #9.18   HohoMo@reg;

      And how’d you get that apartment, eh? By exploiting the workers. By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.
      Listen, strange women lyin’ in ponds distributin’ swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 9:03 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #9.19   sleeps

      Well you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! I mean, if I went around sayin’ I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they’d put me away!

      Jan 5, 2011 at 10:13 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #10   matt

    First note makes no sense. Why is this guy/woman prepared for foreigners to call or drop by, but not to rent? If I was a jihadist foreigner, it would be quite easy to drop off a bomb while dropping by for coffee with the western infidel.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 9:34 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #11   Captain Calypso

    It would be hilarious if someone parked their Toyota and the breaks failed after they got out and it careened straight into the douche’s office.
    (Too soon?)

    Jan 4, 2011 at 9:34 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   Woman on the Verge bang

      It’s only too soon if you spell brakes correctly.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:42 am   rating: 20  small thumbs up

    • #11.2   shwo! bang

      For a Toyota, that IS spelled correctly.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 9:55 am   rating: 31  small thumbs up

    • #11.3   Captain Calypso

      I apologize for my spelling/usage mistake. Behold the corrected version:
      It would be hilarious if someone parked their Toyota and the brakes failed after they got out and it careened straight into the douche’s office.
      (Too soon?)

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:15 am   rating: 15  small thumbs up

    • #11.4   The Elf

      Now that you corrected your spelling, I’ll give you a thumb for the wit. But not before.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:54 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #11.5   Canthz_B bang

      So, you’re asking what if the brakes break?

      The guy would be sued and probably go broke.

      But those are the breaks, right?

      Jan 5, 2011 at 12:38 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

  • #12   dree

    Reb is correct.
    Here you can see the bottom of the “ad”:

    Jan 4, 2011 at 9:43 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

  • #13   Woman on the Verge bang

    Dear Grant,
    Your parents worked at GM, Ford, or Chrysler, right?

    Jan 4, 2011 at 9:47 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #14   GhostWriter bang

    Little-known Canadian law loophole: If you offer foreigners the opportunity to contact you “by all means” you are exempt from having to consider them as possible tenants.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 9:48 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

  • #15   thren0dy

    The car one is hilarious, considering many Subarus are made in the U.S., and a lot of American cars are made in Canada so that U.S. car companies don’t have to pay for health care for the workers.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:18 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #16   untamedshrew

    My husband works at a Chevy dealership in metro Detroit. If he fails to remove the “made in China” stickers off the parts he’s installing, he gets in big trouble. My Honda is not allowed on his employer’s property. I TRIED to buy American, but they don’t make what I want. Let’s pressure the corporations to hire, invest and pay taxes in America.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:21 am   rating: 15  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   merkin4

      You will want what we make. You will want it because we make it.

      -Love, Detroit

      I used to buy US vehicles, but then got tired of standing in the cold at the side of the road, waiting for somebody to come pick me up because the fuel cut-off switch in the Mercury shut down the engine. Now I drive a ’95 Nissan pickup. It’s the ugliest vehicle in the parking lot, but it’s reliable, cheap to operate, and I was able to pay cash for it.

      Jan 6, 2011 at 2:04 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #17   Craig Allen

    The landlord of the apartment would be in serious violation of US Fair Housing laws.

    Seems like Canada’s housing laws would be even more strict about ethnic discrimination. Canada’s a Socialist country, don’t you know.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:22 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   The Elf

      You’d think! I bet that since this is a “basement apartment” – probably a basement in a house that has been converted to a separate apartment – then the laws wouldn’t apply. Still doesn’t make it right, though.

      I personally love how he invites them to come by, even though it’s futile. How welcoming!

      Edited: Just read the part about how it isn’t a real ad. Never mind! Reading comprehension – I don’t haz it.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:47 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #17.2   neilends bang

      Canada is way behind the US when it comes to enforcing workplace and housing discrimination laws, as are most other western democracies. Canadians are just really good at being smug, because most Americans don’t know jack squat about what’s going on up there.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 11:25 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #18   El

    The one from Michigan, is actually quite typical. Especially now that all these American car companies have gone under. Ford, GM, etc are based out of the Detroit area and if they see Asian- make cars they take offense because they blame those companies for Ford, etc. failing. We just came back from a wedding there and drove up our Prius and Acura and we got warned that people might break in or even key our car to spite us. I did notice more Asian-make cars on the highways up there though… even WITH Michigan plates. 90% of cars there are American, 2% Asian and German rest.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:25 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   WMDKitty

      What, so it’s Japan’s fault that GM, Ford, etc SUCK?

      Jan 4, 2011 at 5:36 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

    • #18.2   The Elf

      I wouldn’t go that far. There’s a lot of good things you can say about American cars.

      We have an old Ford pick-up. That beast has well over 200k miles on the odometer and can still haul a load of firewood up a hill without complaint. I just drop it into first gear and up it goes. No heat, no radio, but that 318 engine is still going strong. There aren’t that many 40+ year old Hondas around to compare, but this truck wouldn’t be running today if it wasn’t “Built Ford Tough” to begin with.

      Looking at today’s vehicles, the 2011 Corvette ZR1 outperforms almost all the other high-end sports cars, and frequently for half the purchase price. That’s one monster of a car with 638 horse power. 638! That’s 0-60 faster than a human can handle. It’s not only fast but nimble, and Corvettes have a history of being well made.

      As for me, I did trade in that Japanese cruiser last year, for a Harley-Davidson Sportster 883. After they improved the line in 2006-2007, and prices for the Japanese cruisers went up, the Sportster became the best mid-size cruiser on the market. The fuel injection alone is great – no more begging the bike to start on cold mornings! I didn’t buy the HD because it is American, I bought it because it was the best for me.

      Yeah, you can say a lot of good things about American cars. The problem is that you can also say a lot of good things about foreign cars, and the best American cars tend to be in specialty markets, like with the Corvette. In a market this tight, it isn’t enough to be just good or to have a great showcase car but mediocre other cars.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 6:26 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

  • #19   Barb H

    Must be too early in the morning. The first time I read the top note I thought it said “Freshly painted pets are welcome” and I thought “Who paints their pets”?

    Actually, there’s a groomer nearby who dyes her poodle various colors to match the holidays…

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:27 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

  • #20   Slerte

    “Freshly painted pets”!
    What kind of sicko weirdo is this?

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:30 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #21   P. Almonius

    how freshly-painted to pets have to be in order to be welcome, and how often do you have to repaint them once you’re living there?

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:34 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

  • #22   Daniel

    Godzilla must have touched him in his special place when he was a kid …

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #23   GhostWriter bang

    (Here’s a link) to the top-selling American-made cars. #1? – Camry. #2? – Accord. The Japanese have basically come to the USA and built cars better here than our domestic behemoths. The Ford Fusion doesn’t even make the American-made list (it has only 25% USA parts and is assembled outside of the USA.)
    Reference: (NHTSA American-made car percentages)

    Check the list to see if you are driving a patriotic American-made Toyota, or a foreign import/ job-stealer like the GM Pontiac G8.

    PS: “Pontiac” is the city in Michigan where Pontiacs were originally made.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:42 am   rating: 16  small thumbs up

  • #24   The Elf

    I got that kind of crap when I rode a Japanese cruiser. My answer was simple: When an American motorcycle manufacturer makes the best bike for me, I’ll buy it when it is time to replace this one. At the time, there was exactly one American mid-size cruiser, the Harley Sportster 883. One look at the performance stats showed that it didn’t compare, and one test ride told me that it was a paint-shaker (this was prior to the 2006 improvements to the model), and it was more expensive and got worse gas mileage and had a worse reliability record to boot. Why buy something I don’t like?

    The concept is true for cars: If you don’t like seeing Americans buy foreign cars, build cars Americans want to buy. That’s the way the free market works. My husband and I have owned American cars (Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Jeep, Eagle) and liked them. We’ve owned a Japanese car (Nissan) and liked it. We’ve even owned a Korean car (Hyundai) and liked it. When it comes time to buy a new car, I will look at all manufacturers and buy the best car I can afford for my needs and wants.

    Can we say “Big 3″ anymore? I mean, Chrysler doesn’t really count, does it?

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:43 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #24.1   Hirayuki

      When everything hit the fan for the Big 3 in ’09-’10, the local media (if not other outlets) quietly began calling them the “Detroit 3″.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:56 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #24.2   Divvitar

      As far as I can tell, the “Big 3″ are now Toyota, Honda and Ford.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 11:46 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #24.3   GhostWriter bang

      I thought the Big 3 were Lennon, McCartney and Harrison (Ringo was the little one).

      Jan 4, 2011 at 11:57 am   rating: 18  small thumbs up

    • #24.4   Mo®

      HEY! I Didn’t know Ringo was only 5’6″ whilst Paul is 5′ 11″ I always thought Paul was the smallest Beatle.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 12:20 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #24.5   farcical aquatic ceremony

      Which inch..?

      Jan 4, 2011 at 12:30 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #24.6   H for Toy

      I thought the Big 3 were Milk Chocolate, Dark Chocolate and oral sex.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 2:41 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #24.7   wright1

      As my sister says, “Chocolate: the other dark meat.”

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:54 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #24.8   Canthz_B bang

      I like your sister! :-D

      Jan 11, 2011 at 6:04 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #25   annonymiss

    The problem that most people don’t understand about the foreign cars is:

    I live in Michigan as well and am associated with the “Big Three”. When the US companies sell a car, ultimately, the bulk of the profit stays in the US and is reinvested in US stuff. When the Asian/British/WhatHaveYou companies sell cars here, the bulk of the profits are returned to their respective companies.

    So either way you look at it, the money for the foreign car sales, be they assembled here or not, doesn’t stay here.

    Couple that with the trickle down problem of laid off auto workers who lose their health benefits and then don’t go to doctors or hospital because they can no longer afford it causing the doctor’s offices and hospitals to lay off *their* workers and…well…it’s all interconnected.

    And the idiot health care bill that was just passed won’t change things because who ends up paying that? Us. And if we don’t have money because we can’t work…

    Jan 4, 2011 at 10:50 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   Hirayuki

      And the foreign companies take their profits and build huge plants in the US, employing any number of locals.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 10:58 am   rating: 19  small thumbs up

    • #25.2   thren0dy

      As pointed out above though, American car manufacturers need to stop making crappy gas-guzzlers if they expect Americans to buy them. If you check out, you’ll see that almost all of their recommended cars are Japanese.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 11:13 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #25.3   eyehearta2

      ….other than the 45 that are American
      ….and the 19 that are German
      …. and the 4 that are Swedish
      …. and the 16 that are Korean
      …. and the 55 Japanese cars that are not recommended.

      So, yep, other than those 139 cars “almost all” are Japanese.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 12:26 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #25.4   Odious

      Have you actually studied the bill (major points are on dot gov) or a sample cross-section of it’s effects on citizens? Or are straw men psychologically easier?

      Where would the money to bail out Detroit come from without the effect of tariffs? When the majority stockholders aren’t Japanese, does where the money first “return” matter? If the only ill is people buying foreign cars, then why did American auto manufacturers leave the country and why are the domestic factories sourcing foreign parts?

      A conveniently simple picture you paint.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 3:31 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #25.5   Canthz_B bang

      Who needs a health care bill if we’d all just refuse to get sick?
      Hell, what’s a doctor cost these days? A chicken or two?
      Fuck people with pre-existing conditions. They should have known better than to get sick before they had insurance in the first place!

      I’m trying so hard not to name-call in this fine new year, but DAMN, it’s really difficult!
      I’ll say this about that…when “us” pays for health care, “we” all end up paying less individually in the long run.
      You’ll never put more into the system than your inevitable medical expenses will be. Be happy that “we” now have your back, kind sir or madam. ;-)
      I paid a $142,000 hospital bill for a premature infant yesterday (and that was the contracted rate the insurer has with the hospital, nowhere near the ACTUAL charges). Do you think the parents paid $142,000 in premiums to the insurance company? Do you have even a CLUE what medical expenses can run these days? And that was just the claim for the hospital’s bill, not the doctors’ bills!
      We already chip in to cover other peoples’ expenses under the outgoing system. This just increases the pot of contributors, thereby lowering your individual contributions…theoretically. We’ll see.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 5:10 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

  • #26   devine porcupine bang

    I’d be happy if my Middle Eastern or Asian fellow apartment dwellers would quietly busy themselves building explosives, or non-American cars for that matter. BUT NO!!! I have to get the ones whose matriarch spends all day, every day cooking for her complete extended family… and those folks know how to throw off some serious stank in the kitchen. They also know how to junk up a porch with 50 pairs of shoes parked outside the front door. So, I, for one, am voting for the first note to be real. Seriously.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 11:10 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #26.1   oi bang

      I’d happy if my american fellow apartment dwellers would be just racist and put such a note. BUT NO!!! I have to get the ones who roast the whole pig in our shared backyard making it eye and nose sore for the whole apartment. and those who think freezby is the perfect replacement for cleaning and bathing. Those who hoard so much stuff that it trails out of the door (Most of the time McDonald wrappers)and you need flash light and a stick to navigate in their one bedroom apartment. The ones who spend their entire pay check in the first week on expensive things and then curse their job not paying enough or credit card companies won’t approve of their $500 Gucci purse after only $90000 or so in debt!
      Not really. Racists are bottom feeding, disgusting and worse than cockroach vermin but I thought shed light on some of the other nice lifestyle choices too.

      (All of above are personal experiences but still I don’t go looking down my nose at them about their lifestyle.)

      Jan 4, 2011 at 11:59 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

    • #26.2   devine porcupine bang

      I was being facetious. I thought that was permissible on this site. Seriously. :)
      Although racism is a real problem, I don’t think political correctness is always the solution. If I have a basement apartment to rent, I should be able to choose who I want to live with me & it’s probably going to be someone with a very similar culture, lifestyle & values. And if I choose to write exactly what was written in photo #1… I think that would make me more of an asshole than a racist.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 1:34 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #26.3   oi

      You know what? I agree with that. At least the potential renters would know that you are an asshole and/or racist before signing the lease. Hey you can’t control what they assume when you choose to single out one or more races for whatever reasons. :z

      Jan 4, 2011 at 4:04 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #26.4   Canthz_B bang

      Minor point here, dp.
      If you rent out an apartment, the renters don’t live with you.
      Judging what “type” of people you want to rent to based on race or ethnicity is illegal, whether you like it or not, people who can afford a place to live, have a right to live where they can afford to live.
      You don’t have to have them into your place for tea or movie nights. Just collect the rent and be happy to have paying tenants who hopefully don’t destroy your premises.

      You’re not more an asshole than a racist…you’re equally an asshole and a racist.

      Equality is a good thing though! :-P

      Jan 5, 2011 at 4:12 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #26.5   devine porcupine bang

      Just so we’re clear here, I did not post that sign. I don’t even have a basement! Gah! Besides, we all know that only over weight, balding, rosey cheeked, adult men with Oedipal tendencies live in basements… oh, or serial killers… both of which are, generally speaking, more than likely to be white & both of which I would not want to rent an apartment to, because of their “type”. So, I’d like to state for the record that while I AM admittedly an asshole, I am not, however, a racist, as I tend to hate on everyone in equal proportions, because equality IS a good thing! :D
      p.s. I have 2 foreign cars. I discriminate against American cars because they suck. I’m glad I can at least make THAT choice without someone ripping me a new one. Oh, wait…

      Jan 5, 2011 at 11:24 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #26.6   April

      I can see devine’s point. If I was renting out my basement to someone or a room or whatever, I would have a right and would be smart to be more cautious about how I rent it too. If it was some apartment that I did not live near I would rent to anyone who passed the credit check and could pay the money.

      But if you are going to be sharing walls or rooms and a driveway and a yard etc with someone you do want it to be someone you feel you can get along with, will have something in common with, etc. Even for a basement apartment renter because you will bump into them a lot. It does not make you racist or an asshole to screen someone in this case. I would not automatically say “No blank race” but I would try to pick out someone who I felt would fit well with my lifestyle so there would not be any conflicts.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 12:14 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #26.7   Canthz_B bang

      April, the only thing you need to have in common with a tenant you’re renting an apartment to is that you both pay your bills (at least that they too pay their rent) on time and that you agree not to disturb one another.
      You don’t both have to knit or like sports…or be the same color.
      My mom rented to a number of people she didn’t particularly like, but they paid the rent, were quiet and didn’t destroy the residence. That’s what the lease required of them…not that they become fast friends.
      I agree though about renting a room inside your own apartment or home…you actually share living space then, but if a basement apartment has a separate entrance, and you don’t share upstairs amenities, you really don’t bump into each other much.
      Live and let live is a good rule. Getting along is important, good communication is the key to that.
      As long as you choose a reasonable tenant, that should be no problem.

      Assuming that you can’t get along with someone because they are “different”, pretty much ensures you won’t get along with anyone, because we are all different (different upbringings, morals, standards of cleanliness, etc.)…even when we share similar physical aspects.

      And let’s face it, you will rarely know someone is a real turd of a person until after you rent to them. Everyone is on their best behavior when seeking a residence.

      Jan 6, 2011 at 7:07 am   rating: 7  small thumbs up

    • #26.8   April

      True but some people are such turds you might get a bad vibe off of them from the get go.

      For example, Let’s say I was renting out my basement. We would share a yard and a driveway. Well if a couple of party hardy looking college guys wanted to rent it, I would probably say “No”. Because it could effect me if they end up partying and being loud and having girlfriends come over and take up the whole driveway with cars and do keg stands and vomit out in the yard. Even if I never say a word to them, it still will bother me.

      Or someone with 3 kids want to rent the apartment. If it was someone who seemed a super responsible parent it would be okay. If not, then I would say “No” because next thing I know there are kids toys all over the yard and the kids run around outside all day with no supervision and when they get hurt it becomes a liability issue.

      Those are just some examples of how you have to use discretion when it comes to renting out shared buildings and spaces because like it or not, others can increase or decrease our ability to enjoy our home.

      Jan 6, 2011 at 8:10 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #26.9   Canthz_B bang

      April, my dear April, there’s a big difference between making good decisions when choosing a tenant based upon their references, background checks and credit reports, and making uninformed assumptions about people based upon what you think they may be like because of their looks or how nice they seemed when you spoke with them (it always seems to be that polite, quiet-type who seemed so nice that turns out to be the child molester or deranged killer…ever notice that? what does a thief look like for that matter? do they give off “thief vibes” on sight?)
      Looks can be, and usually are, deceiving. That’s one reason we have sex offenders register locally, so you don’t need to go by looks and personality alone.

      We agree on the need to choose tenants wisely…probably not on how to properly go about doing so. ;-)

      I have to admit at this point that last semester a group of ASU students rented an apartment very near mine, and my first thought was, “Oh, no! Here come the college parties!”, but those guys were quiet all semester long. So much for judging books by their covers. I completely misjudged them based solely upon their age and looks, but skateboards will do that to a guy! :lol:

      As far as kids’ toys in the yard and such, my sister (who now owns my mom’s old three-family house in NJ) makes it clear to her tenants in the lease that they rent an apartment, not a yard (you don’t have to share a yard or a driveway, you only rent out what you choose to rent out. where they park is their problem, not yours)…not a front porch…not even storage space in her hallways or staircases. If they want those things they need to go rent a house somewhere, not an apartment in her house.
      This has worked for her just fine, because even a real turd of a person loses when they violate their lease agreement. Makes the eviction process much easier too.

      She structured her lease agreement that way because, “like it or not, others can increase or decrease our ability to enjoy our home.”…unless we protect ourselves contractually.

      Jan 7, 2011 at 4:20 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #26.10   April

      Sounds like your mom was a smart lady then and protected her ass. Good for her. :) She went about it the right way I guess and that is definitely one way to avoid worrying about if you are picking the right renter or not.

      Jan 7, 2011 at 4:04 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #27   Golfer

    This attitude toward Japanese cars illustrates the problem with patriotism. I try to buy local when I can, but, as others have said, when it comes to cars, I can’t. Many “foreign” makes are produced by Americans in America, and many “American” cars are produced in other countries by furreners. In all cases, it’s unlikely that many of the cars’ components came from this country. The only real difference is whether the rich guys cashing in are in this country or some other. Since rich people are so good at dodging taxes, the net difference to our national economy is negligible, at best.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 11:20 am   rating: 15  small thumbs up

    • #27.1   The Elf

      That’s not a problem with patriotism. That’s a problem with misunderstanding the global economy.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 2:14 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

  • #28   Jon

    I’m disappointed at the car sign… if the guy’s from Michigan, he should have went to the nearest UAW office. They all have huge NO FOREIGN CARS signs.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 11:33 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #28.1   anglophile

      I guess if I were in the UAW, and therefore an employee of a car manufacturer, I would get the employee discount on a crappy Ford, which might offset the numerous repair bills I would have to pay.

      No, I think I’ll stick to my trouble-free made-in-Ohio Honda Civic.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 6:58 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #28.2   park rose

      That “should have went” thing is a Michigan thing too, isn’t it? The only other person I’ve heard use it was from there.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 9:04 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #28.3   anglophile bang

      As opposed to “should have gone”? It might be an Upper Midwest thing. It doesn’t grate on my ear or anything.

      Jan 6, 2011 at 4:26 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #28.4   Russian

      I prefer should have wented!

      Jan 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #29   Gerry

    Americans profess to be advocates of capitalism, but only up to the point where it, um, how to put this nicely… doesn’t work. If the marketplace were truly as unregulated as the American Right wanted it to be, then corporations would live or die on the merits of their products. It’s Darwinian. Put out a junky, unremarkable, or unappealing product, you deserve to croak. (See the comment where Japanese bikes are evaluated against the early Harley Sportster, above.) If “Let The Market Decide” is truly your rallying cry, Chrysler Corporation shouldn’t have survived the pre-Iacocca 1980s, when their uninspired designs and business practices almost did them in. Same thing, larger scale in the 2008-9 crisis and bailout. If you have a creeping horror of “socialism”, have the courage of your convictions not to resort to it when the kaka hits the fan and the automotive sector takes a hit. Or manufacture a car that is so good, so reliable and so reasonably-priced that consumers can’t see past it!

    Jan 4, 2011 at 11:38 am   rating: 11  small thumbs up

  • #30   fuzzbutt

    “Out of work yet? keep driving that foreign car. ” A common bumper sticker in Michigan. As for the people saying “quit making the gas guzzling cars…. QUIT BUYING THEM! Who do you think buys them? The farmers, the semis that haul your food from state to state, the delivery industry. Use your brain, not everything can be a little 2 seater electric car.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 1:22 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #30.1   The Elf

      I’m not saying “quit making gas guzzling cars”. There’s definitely a place in the American market for gas guzzlers. I’m saying and “make cars that appeal to Americans if you want Americans to buy them, and make them better than your competition”. There’s a difference!

      Jan 4, 2011 at 2:25 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #30.2   Really?

      I live in Orlando, FL. Our bus system recently converted all its vehicles to biodiesel. Why can’t this work for the delivery industry/ interstate semis/ etc? Cheaper, cleaner, and done in America.

      Jan 6, 2011 at 9:15 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #31   jen

    I drive my mostly american made Toyota to Michigan and people flip me the bird as they pass me in their mexican made Chevy on their way to Walmart. Sigh

    Jan 4, 2011 at 1:25 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

  • #32   ManFred

    I live in Metro Detroit and my husband and I both drive Hondas. We are not harassed and no one comments on our cars, let alone keys or damages them. Next time I will buy an American car, probably a Ford. But the idea that you can’t drive a foreign car in Detroit or Michigan is ludicrous.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 2:01 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

  • #33   kl

    The best protest against foreign autos is to buy an American Made car ( brand name at least !) . My tenants have been mostly Asians, WASP’s that I have had as tenants had higher incidence of problems—conclusion is their ethnicity had little to do with their character—careful selection of tenants however has a lot to do with their suitability !

    Jan 4, 2011 at 2:34 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #34   Citrico

    Of course, the bulk of the profits are returned to their respective companies. However, look at where the companies invest. All mainstream Japanese manufacturers have a plant in the US. All mainstream Japanese manufacturers have design studios in the US. All mainstream Japanese manufacturers have engineering departments in the US. All mainstream Japanese manufacturers hire thousands of Americans in a variety of fields.

    All of them.

    Now, look at your American manufacturers.

    The design work for all American compact cars is being done out of country. The Chevrolet Aveo and Cruze in Korea and Europe, the Ford Fiesta and Focus in Europe, the next Chrysler compact in Italy. The Chevrolet Camaro was mostly developed in Australia. Buick’s new sedans were designed in China and Europe.

    My point? They’re giant, faceless, multinational corporations with resources spread to the far corners of the earth. Nationality is irrelevant, they are part of every country, they are part of no country. Development work is done wherever is most convenient for the product being developed, same deal with manufacturing, same deal with suppliers. The CEO’s house doesn’t make a whack of difference in overall economic benefit – see Detroit, where GM HQ lives but the city decays.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 2:42 pm   rating: 17  small thumbs up

  • #35   annonymiss

    @Hirayuki Seriously? Where are all those big plants employing any number of locals? I need to know this so the 425,000 foreclosure notices in my Detroit News this past weekend can all be alerted that there are jobs here and they don’t need to lose their house!

    As to a decaying Detroit, please! Unless you live here, you haven’t a clue. The idiots who live in Detroit continue to elect the same criminal over and over, the one with his hand in the ’till’ and gives nothing back to the city. That’s not GM’s fault! GM is here to support a city who has nothing. They pay their business taxes, their employees frequent local businesses. They don’t make much of a dent, but GM came home. Quicken moved downtown, any number of other big businesses have moved downtown to support a dying city. Don’t blame the companies on that. Blame the residents.

    @ Citrico, man, I’d sure like to see where you got your numbers and info from. I have to wonder what all those engineers they employ in the area in all those busy design studios are really doing! Is this just some elaborate scheme to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes? Do they pay these people to do nothing at all?

    Wow! Now that’s the job I need!

    I live in southeastern Michigan where my life is directly touched by the ebb and flow of the auto companies, either by the company I work for or the other industries I do business with. Is it perfect? No. But don’t blame our auto companies for the decaying of Detroit. Blame the morons who loved Coleman Young and Kwame-I-Take-The-Money-And-Screw-Detroit and kept voting them into office. Now they’re paying the ultimate price.

    Consumer Reports listed my Whirlpool washer as the best out there when I bought it. Gee, Whirlpool ended up settling a multi-million dollar class action suit on it because the machine was a piece of crap.

    Yeah…right. Consumer Reports is exactly who I want to tell me what the best anything is to buy.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 3:31 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #35.1   GhostWriter bang

      Ya know who else always discounts the Consumer Reports reliability data (which happens to be unbiased analyses based on thousands of cars)?

      Chrysler dealers.

      Jan 4, 2011 at 4:51 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #35.2   Canthz_B bang

      @annonymiss: Detroit has been in decline since long before Coleman Young and Kwame Kilpatrick. Not defending them here, just stating a fact.

      One might trace the beginning to the 1967 riots…Coleman Young didn’t take office until 1974…about the time Americans started to REALLY go for fuel-efficient little Asian cars instead of American made muscle cars because of the OPEC oil embargo.
      American car manufacturers were slow to catch the quality train…that’s what killed your beloved town.
      Major employers abandoned the city for suburban corporate parks, stripping the city, like most other major cities, of a major part of its tax base. Their better-paid employees who could afford to move to the suburbs (and could secure a mortgage) abandoned the city to its fate as well, further cutting into tax revenues. The same happened to many other major cities. There was even serious discussion back then about whether the era of the Big City had come to an end because the economics of the time didn’t seem able to sustain a large, modern city.

      Bad reputations are hard to shake.

      Or are you trying to say something else? Something which dovetails into the note of the day perhaps?
      Hell, New York City either declared bankruptcy or was about to at just about the same time, Coleman Young wasn’t the mayor there, and that was long before David Dinkins was elected. Abraham Beame became Mayor of NYC in 1974, but you know how bad “they” are with money and finances, right? ;-)
      We all know Detroit politics and politicians were squeaky clean before the two mayors you noted. Guys like Mayor Louis Miriani, Republican (convicted of tax evasion and spent ten months in prison.)
      No, not Detroit. No big city “machine politics” ever existed there…just in every other major American city. Graft? Corruption? Perish the thought. Never happened in Detroit until after Coleman Young was elected.

      Yeah…right. :roll:

      Face it. Detroit is largely a “mill town”. When the mill hits hard times, the people of the mill town hit hard times. So yes, you can place a large part of the decline of the City of Detroit squarely at the feet of the auto-makers.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 3:40 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #35.3   Odious

      Where are all those big plants employing any number of locals? … I’d sure like to see where you got your numbers and info from.

      There’s this amazing device called a computer. It can be hooked up to this info system called the internet.

      You can start with Ghostwriter’s link (#23).

      (Seriously, you thought all American auto, part and assembly factories were still in Michigan??)

      Jan 5, 2011 at 3:47 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

  • #36   M

    My German car was built in Mexico, which happens to be in North America, therefore technically making my car an American car.

    Can I park here now? Pretty please with a cherry on top?

    Jan 4, 2011 at 3:38 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

  • #37   Kou

    I take it this last guy remains blissfully unaware that the vast majority of Japanese-branded cars are not only manufactured in America, but massive administrative branches of most major Japanese car companies are located here as well. The industry is actually responsible for a huge amount of jobs for Americans across the country.

    He can just go on framing unemployment rates as the US vs. those pesky foreigners trying to took urr jerbs, though, I guess it’s less frustrating than trying to look at any of the real issues we have going on here right now.

    Jan 4, 2011 at 6:34 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #38   youneedaboyfriend

    This site is not fun anymore because of the comments. For example, jumping on someone because they spelled “brakes” wrong? Nitpicking about laws that are likely different in each state? That is just AGGRESSIVE.

    Jan 5, 2011 at 1:51 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #38.1   Odious

      Grammar and spelling errors are an inherent part of a site that pokes fun of notes with grammar/spelling issues.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 3:49 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #38.2   Canthz_B bang

      Damn! I already shot my “Those are the breaks” wad above!

      And I’m not good enough at grammar to say if that should be “…laws which are likely…” or “…laws that are likely…”, but I’m going to wager on “which” just as a fun betting experience!! :-P

      Jan 5, 2011 at 4:30 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #38.3   TippingCows

      This site is no fun anymore because people keep making comments about people making comments about other people’s spelling and grammar. Some people also comment about other people nitpicking on the different laws of each state. I am boring myself by commenting on this but I just had to say something because nobody else will listen to me when I talk. Blah blah blah … STFU.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 7:17 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #38.4   fnar

      I hope that STFU is aimed in the direction of CanthzB. Cool.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 7:27 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #38.5   Canthz_B bang

      Yes, because I’m commenting in a vacuum, responding to no one and no one is responding. :lol:

      Jan 5, 2011 at 8:22 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #38.6   Captain Calypso

      I was not offended at all for being corrected on my breaks/brakes mistake. I was notified in the slightly snarky yet not overly cruel manner that I expected from this site.

      Jan 5, 2011 at 8:31 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

    • #38.7   Meesh

      Be aggressive!

      B-E aggressive!

      B-E A-G-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E! Aggressive!

      Jan 5, 2011 at 11:42 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

  • #39   Andy

    Does his dumb a$$ not know that a lot of “Japanese” cars are made in the U.S. now? I mean, is this guy like 80 and out of touch with modern times?

    Jan 5, 2011 at 10:17 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #40   Really?

    I will never buy an American car. If I’m spending tens of thousands of dollars on something, I want it to be well made.

    And the cooking smells from your typical Asian, not Asian-American mind you, are enough for anyone to keep them out of an apartment building. Yes, I know the ad was fake. No, I’m not racist. But my roommate is from Taiwan and living with the difference in culture is really not easy.

    Jan 5, 2011 at 10:42 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #41   April

    It would be so much funnier if the apartment one was for real. Just because you know that many landlords think just that and for one to actually have the balls to up it up there would be pretty hilarious.

    Of course I don’t approve of such behavior but I guess I always find blatant stupid racism funny. Just always have. I figure it is better to laugh at them then get all butthurt and offended which is how they want you to react. I have some racist relatives and whenever they say something racist I just laugh at them in a you are such an idiot kinda way and they get pissed.

    I wonder why that guy hates Japanese cars so much? He does not have a problem with other foreign cars just Japanese. Maybe he got tired of seeing pimped out Civics with 10 feet high spoilers and swedish ground lights?

    Maybe his dad died in WW2 or something.

    Jan 5, 2011 at 12:04 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #41.1   unholyghost2003 bang

      if it were real all the effort to explain who is excluded and then forgetting to leave a phone number would make it extra funny.

      You excluded EVERYONE dickbag! Because w/o contact info even those willing to tolerate your blatant racism can’t get a hold of you to rent the apartment!

      Jan 5, 2011 at 12:12 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #42   L

    This might sound odd. But where I live, in Vancouver BC. There are rental signs that either either entirely not in english, or specify cantonese only.

    Hows that for descrimination. It’s VERY HARD to find a place to live in some areas here if you’re not asian.

    Jan 5, 2011 at 12:20 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

  • #43   kel

    LOL soon as i saw “JAPANESE CARS” i knew this note was from Michigan.

    Jan 5, 2011 at 12:38 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #44   ian in hamburg

    The apartment rental sign may just be an ad, but it’s all too real. When I was a student a friend of mine who’s Haitian was looking for an apartment and lined up an appointment to view over the phone. But when he showed up, he was told it had been rented out in the meantime. He asked me a couple of days later to pretend to be looking and call the same landlord. Sure enough, the place was still for rent.

    Jan 5, 2011 at 11:07 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #45   Ih8spices

    I agree with the first one. The main hallway in my apartment constantly smells like spicy Indian food. It’s disgusting.

    Jan 6, 2011 at 8:55 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #45.1   Russian

      Yesh but. Your personal food tastes don’t make a whole nation’s food disgusting and them not entitled to live in your apartment building. Are you sure the food is Indian? Maybe it’s pakistani or bangladeshi (the vast majority of ‘indian’ food sold in the uk is bangladeshi in origin and often made by pakistanis). Maybe it’s not asian at all! A lot of african food is very spicy. Don’t forget mexican food either! I’ve heard of mexican spices. Also, american and european foods also have an associated odour that maybe some people don’t like? Better not rent to people who might be cooking those foods so, just in case? Or people who might use air fresheners, or wear perfume, clean with scented products etc?

      People of all ethnicities have been known to annoy me, but you really do have to engage your brain before denouncing an entire nation.

      Jan 6, 2011 at 12:07 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #45.2   Not Indian, just sayin'

      And if your neighbors happen to be Hindu, how thrilled do you think they are when they smell steak or hamburger in the hallway?

      Suck it up, princess.

      Jan 6, 2011 at 4:28 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #45.3   Canthz_B bang

      Funny. People used to say the same thing about Italians and their garlic-scented sauces.

      Who’s complaining now? Get over it. People need to eat.
      Or is Italian food not “ethnic food”?

      Jan 7, 2011 at 5:02 am   rating: 4  small thumbs up

    • #45.4   Russian

      thank you both for being a million times more successfully succincterer than me

      Jan 7, 2011 at 2:09 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

    • #45.5   oi

      You are stinking up this thread with your ignorance and selfish stupidity. I am disgusted. End of the story.
      huh!? I swear to god there was a blatantly stupid comment from Ihatespices (or whatever) and I responded to that.

      Jan 10, 2011 at 11:06 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #46   Shawn

    I’m the submitter of the first picture: Apologies are in order, as it wasn’t submitted in bad faith or to trick anyone; it was a picture taken via iPhone that my cousin showed me, and I suggested putting it up on PAN. I guess he either didn’t notice the ad on the bottom or didn’t bother mentioning it to me :( (both are likely, surprisingly).

    Jan 9, 2011 at 4:32 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #47   OnlyMe

    No Asians, thankyou !
    You have to watch the clip before replying …

    Jan 14, 2011 at 2:44 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #48   Kimmeh

    Someone should tell the city council. Surely he can’t post parking restrictions of any kind without clearing it with the city.

    Jan 23, 2011 at 10:40 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #49   Ally

    You know, my college roommate has that same attitude of the guy in the car note. She’s from suburban Detroit and her father retired from GM, so I guess it’s not too uncommon.

    However, she conveinently neglects the fact that the Chevy she prides herself on driving cause it’s American is 97% Korean-built, Mexican-assembled Daewoo with a Chevy badge slapped on the front, and the Subaru I drive was at least built in Indiana.

    Jan 28, 2011 at 2:43 am   rating: 1  small thumbs up

  • #50   Lo

    “No foreign cars” signs are pretty common around here in Automation Alley. My parents’ sole car for much of my childhood was a 1988 Jetta. I was called a traitor for riding in a German car as an 8-year-old. In 1995.

    Years later, my parents sold that Jetta (still functioning) to my high school boyfriend. Our first order of business was to get it on in the lot of the U.A.W. Hall in front of the “AMERICAN CARS ONLY/ABSOLUTELY NO FOREIGN PARKING” sign. Ah, memories. (How’s THAT for passive-aggressive?)

    Feb 14, 2011 at 12:26 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #51   Kelsey

    Well, the second one makes sense. He’s not racist, just pissed.

    Feb 27, 2011 at 3:37 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

  • #52   Will

    I can understand the sentiments of the second guy, the condition of American automakers becoming what it is. I would personally buy an American auto over any foreign one sheerly because it is made by an American company- *especially* when it comes to my trucks. I’m no racist- so I certainly wouldn’t give a piss whether it was partially made in Korea or Mexico or even bloody Sudan. The fact that it is an American company producing American jobs and American profits is good enough for me. That, and I much prefer American and European auto styling, performance, and safety over Asian-company vehicles.

    Mar 2, 2011 at 4:52 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up


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