Not cool, man. Not cool.

July 15th, 2013 · 76 comments

Explains our submitter in Maryland: “Housemate is pregnant. She doesn’t like it when we leave the AC on.” (Ya think?)

I will straight up MURDER the next person who uses "Cool" and "Fan" together. STOP IT!

related: The womb that would birth a thousand excuses

FILED UNDER: die bitch die · Maryland · preggers · roommates · temperature


76 responses so far ↓

  • #1   H for Toy

    I understand wanting to murder someone who crosses you, but, you have an internal heater in the middle of your abdomen. How can you not want to spend your entire day directly in front of the blower?

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:02 pm   rating: 59  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   KHandcock

      Exactly what I was thinking…I’m normally a “bundle up under the covers” kind of person, but during both my pregnancies, it was all blankets off and a fan on at all times!

      Jul 15, 2013 at 1:59 pm   rating: 11  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.2   kermit

      Toy, maybe spending the entire day in front of the blower is what got her pregnant in the first place….I’ll show myself out.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 8:08 am   rating: 42  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.3   L

      Air conditioning actually makes me physically queasy if you turn it up too high. If I’m in control, I have it on so it’s basically the same as a fan or I get pukey. Maybe it’s like that for her, considering the morning sickness thing.

      Jul 18, 2013 at 11:03 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #2   Sarah W.

    Pretty aggressive and not so much passive. Also, this is clearly fake as it makes zero sense that a pregnant woman wouldn’t want the house as cool as possible in the middle of the summer.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:03 pm   rating: 37  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   JK

      Now normally I’d guess she’s either broken up with the father of the child or they’re dating and she just happened to get pregnant while living with these housemates. However, given the note I can’t help but connect her current housing situation and murderous rage about the A/C to the idea that somebody needs to a welfare check on the baby daddy. I’m saying she might have “Cell Block Tango” as her ringtone.

      Jul 15, 2013 at 2:45 pm   rating: 12  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #3   cowbert

    Yeah sounds like she might want to get that checked out. Hypothyroidism maybe?

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:06 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

     
  • #4   Jenn50

    I’m always cold. My 3 pregnancies were no exception. In the summer, I would finally get warm enough to stop wearing a hoodie everywhere. My doctor assures me my thyroid is fine, I’m just “cold-blooded.” It sucks and it makes me miserable, but I don’t inflict the heat on everyone else. Maybe the note writer isn’t a good match for her housemates?

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:13 pm   rating: 28  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   Raichu

      I’m like you! I haaate being cold. Haven’t been pregnant, so not sure how that would affect it, but I pretty much loathe air conditioning. I look for housemates/roommates who also like to be warm, or are willing to confine the fan to their room and/or compromise in other ways. I pretty much could not live with people who needed to be cold all the time. However, if I were stuck in a situation like this, I’d invest in a Snuggie or a thicker bathrobe before leaving nasty notes on the a/c unit :/

      Jul 15, 2013 at 1:24 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.2   Jaylemieux

      Your doctor told you that you were cold-blooded?

      Jul 15, 2013 at 3:36 pm   rating: 31  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.3   Poltergeist

      Your doctor basically called you a lizard. Next time he checks your reflexes, kick him in the head.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 6:22 pm   rating: 15  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.4   Gladystopia

      Or smack him in the eye with your four-foot-long sticky tongue….

      Jul 16, 2013 at 6:59 pm   rating: 33  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.5   Shannon

      Raichu, we could never live together. I hate being warm and spend the entire winter turning on the heat just long enough to get it to the point where I can feel my toes again. Then, I turn it off and bask in the cold.

      Jul 17, 2013 at 12:57 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.6   Anne

      I have turned on my air conditioning in the WINTER. I really, REALLY dislike being hot.

      Jul 20, 2013 at 9:45 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

       
    • #4.7   j

      ^^ oh, most definitely. my A/C stays on in the winter. in michigan.

      Jul 21, 2013 at 2:30 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #5   Stell

    I don’t get this one. I’m usually freezing to death in A/C-cooled rooms and have to wear a sweater indoors all summer—except while pregnant, when the same temps made me think I would sweat to death.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:13 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

     
  • #6   Carole

    If you don’t use cool and fan together how does the air circulate? On my home thermostat you don’t have any choice but to use the fan, heat or cool. You do have the option of using the fan with out heat or cool.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:14 pm   rating: 13  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   Tess

      A lot of thermostats have an “auto” option. So they will automatically cut on the A/C when the temp raises to a certain point. She was probably annoyed at the amount it was costing to run the A/C literally all the time (which is what happens when you switch it to “fan” and “cool”)

      Jul 16, 2013 at 11:07 am   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #6.2   BDC

      Yeah, I was thinking the same, Tess. Our thermostat (and the one we had before the current one, which looked exactly like the one in this picture, so it could be the same model) had the “heat” and “cool” options, and then the “fan” setting, which when you have both heat and cool off, just pumps the air in the house through the vents. But when you have heat or cool on at the same time as the fan, basically overrides the temperature setting so our house is either an oven or a freezer. It’s also a massive waste of energy, so I understand being a little ragey over it all.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 6:38 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #7   xenylamine bang

    As a pregnant woman, I can’t imagine why this would be attributed to the pregnant housemate. What pregnant woman doesn’t want the place at a frigid temperature all the time? Gestation is hot work and the only thing that makes it more miserable is heat and humidity!

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:15 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   Jami

      All pregnancies are different, so I hear. Maybe she’s cold. Maybe the sound of the fan is irritating her. Maybe the hormonal changes of being pregnant is causing her to have migraines and the combo of fan and AC is making it feel like her head’s going to explode.

      Jul 15, 2013 at 1:23 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

       
    • #7.2   Lil'

      I don’t get that either, xen. I’m pregnant now and I go back and forth between barely comfortable and burning hot. Never am I cold. At night, I turn the temperature down a few degrees, crank up the ceiling fan over my bed, and still have to strip out of my clothes halfway through the night because I’m so hot. Ironic, isn’t it? Getting hot and stripping out of my clothes is what got me here in the first place.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 9:07 am   rating: 16  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #8   jdaniel

    We will drag you behind a horse if you DON’T use “COOL”, and “FAN” together here in Austin. And drag your body through cactus if that thermostat is set above 68 degrees.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:15 pm   rating: 26  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   Raichu

      68 degrees? YUCK. Glad I don’t live with you. lol

      Jul 15, 2013 at 1:25 pm   rating: 7  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.2   Tupelo

      68? Eek. That just makes it harder to adjust your body from going inside to outside. In the summer I like to have things set between 75-78 – it also saves money.

      Jul 15, 2013 at 2:50 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.3   Dane Zeller

      Hate to wax technical in this thread, but 68 degrees on the thermostat in my house very well could be different than the 68 degrees on the thermostat in your house. My thermostat measures the temperature in a hallway that has no air vent and is midway between the a/c and the far end of the house. If I shut all the bedroom doors (for example) the thermostat is deprived of cool air. The thermometer will then go to 72, and the 68 degree setting will try to force the thermometer back to 68, making the a/c work longer, making the whole house (other than the hallway) cooler. I use the example of shutting doors to show that the location of the thermostats relative to air registers can be different between two houses, thus my 68 may have to be 70 in someone else’s house.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 8:48 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.4   jdaniel

      Well when it’s 105 outside in the afternoon, the inside has warmed up to 77-78. So to keep it liveable inside, you like to have the home cool down to 68 overnight.

      @Raichu: It’s your loss, sister.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 7:01 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.5   Gladystopia

      Are you looking for a roomie? The ppl I live with have this horrible obsession with NOT having hypothermia, so they insist on keeping the a.c at 79 or above. I put it down to 78 and you would have thought I’d stomped a bunny-rabbit. 68 sounds like my notion of heaven!

      Jul 16, 2013 at 7:03 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.6   L

      That’s what we put my house at in WINTER… but knock air-con down that low and I’ll end up puking.

      Jul 18, 2013 at 11:06 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #9   judgeofthat

    I totally get her beef. “Fan” blows air around nonstop. “Cool Fan” blows cool air around nonstop. “Auto Cool” blows cool air around until the air is the temperature set on the thermostat, then shuts itself off. Maybe she’s just fiscally responsible. Maybe this warrants murder. I’ve had ignorant house-mates. I’ve also been pregnant. If both of those conditions had existed simultaneously, I’d have been homicidal as well.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:17 pm   rating: 35  small thumbs up

     
  • #10   ShutUP

    OMG, pregnant women, SHUT UP. You are NOT the only people on the planet and NO ONE CARES about you. Take your pregnant crap out of the realm of real people.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:18 pm   rating: 30  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   Raichu

      So now pregnant women aren’t real people?

      Where did you come from, again?

      Jul 15, 2013 at 1:26 pm   rating: 43  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.2   Jami

      ShutUP’s from a little town called Trollvile in the state Trollslyvaina.

      Jul 15, 2013 at 2:59 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.3   Kristy

      While I do sympathize with the downfalls experienced by those growing a tiny mammal inside of them (this includes all species, have you ever pissed off a pregnant cat? Yikes) I agree that pregnant women need to realize that their suffering is not more important than anyone else’s. I will not bend over backwards for you just because you’re pregnant. It is my choice not to have children and it is your choice to have them. We both deal with the consequences of our choices.

      Jul 15, 2013 at 3:05 pm   rating: 24  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.4   Jami

      “Not bending over backwards” is hugely different from “No one cares” – the former suggests you’ll do some things out of human decency. The latter suggests that even if the pregnant woman was in labor and possibly bleeding to death no one will help her.

      Jul 15, 2013 at 3:38 pm   rating: 22  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.5   Lil'

      Regardless of whether your roommate is pregnant or not, you should both show courtesy to each other. Not everyone likes the house freezing, not everyone likes blasting music – whatever the scenario might be, compromise. I think the general problem with roommate situations are that each person thinks, “I pay rent, so I can do what I want.” Well, when everybody thinks that way, it turns into a messy situation. Not everyone is cut out to be a roommate. I’m not. I’d rather live in a one room apartment where my couch is my bed and my toilet is in my closet than a spacious house with people who don’t live like me. I’m aware of that fact, which is why I stayed in my tiny apartment alone for years until I bought my house – and also why I dated my husband for 8 years before I was sure I wanted to commit to a lifetime of sharing my space and compromising with him. Even after all that time, it was still a struggle to adjust, so I can’t imagine getting into a roommate arrangement with people I don’t have love and history with. If I did though, I would know the world doesn’t revolve around me.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 8:52 am   rating: 14  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.6   The Elf

      Oh Lil’. Reason? Logic? Common courtesy? These things have no place here.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 11:21 am   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.7   Gladystopia

      Now, Lil’. Are you from Canadia, or someplace?

      Jul 16, 2013 at 7:05 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #10.8   Ruby

      The pregnant notewriter made no mention of being pregnant, the submitter did, which may explain the rage but hardly makes it a ‘pregnant women expecting people to give a crap about their insane requests just because they’re pregnant’ scenario.

      BTW, it is safer for everyone if you just cave to their demands, even if you don’t believe you should.

      Jul 18, 2013 at 1:37 am   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #11   My name is Princess!

    I kind of read that differently. The Cool and A/C would be colder that Cool and Fan setting. No? I look at the “fan” setting on my A/C and think its there just for a joke. The “Cool and Fan” setting doesn’t really cool anything. It just blows in outside air in through dusty blades. As a result, I am not only uncomfortable but uncomfortable and sneezy. (I so love my allergies!) That’s a winning combination if you ask me!

    Side note: Do you remember the secretary in the Original Muppet Movie? Yeah. That’s how I react to blowing dust particles. FUN!

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:22 pm   rating: 5  small thumbs up

     
  • #12   shwo! bang

    *Writes “I WILL STRAIGHT UP MURDER,” pauses awhile to decide exactly whom she should kill.*

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:22 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

     
  • #13   matt c

    My wife is normally “hot-blooded”, but always felt cold during her first pregnancy. It was totally unexpected.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:30 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

     
  • #14   redheadwglasses

    I like the directness, but the lack of comic sans font keeps me from taking it seriously.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:48 pm   rating: 32  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   The Elf

      Yes. Also, this should be written with pink pen. Possibly with glitter accents.

      Jul 15, 2013 at 2:36 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #15   Loverfli

    I’m ridiculously cold most of tbd time, including now while I’m pregnant. I just make boyfriend give me all the blankets.
    I pick other ridiculous reasons to threaten hormone-induced rage murder.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 1:52 pm   rating: 8  small thumbs up

     
  • #16   The Elf

    …. It’s in the high 90s, and humid, in Maryland right now. Pregnant or not, you don’t use the AC function, you are insane.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   Jami

      My doctor’s receptionist was always cold when she was going through menopause. Even at the height of summer when it was broiling outside under the California sun she would still be wearing a sweater and forcing everyone in the office to endure the heater being on. If even the doctor dared to turn the air on and the heat off she’d go on a rampage. Since she was a good receptionist otherwise and truly cares for the patients he wouldn’t fire her. We all just endured the heat until she finally finished up menopause and the AC could be run again.

      Now the place is cold all the time.

      Jul 15, 2013 at 3:42 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #16.2   Annette

      Your doctor’s receptionist seems a little selfish, to be honest, Jami. In any other industry it wouldn’t be so bad, but doctor’s clinics tend to have sick people in them, with a lower tolerance for physical discomfort.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm   rating: 9  small thumbs up

       
    • #16.3   Jami

      Yeah, she is a bit, but still nice in other ways.

      I’m just pointing out though that it’s likely possible for a pregnant woman to be cold even in heat. I mean, if a menopausal woman could be cold even in 90 degree weather why can’t a pregnant woman?

      Jul 16, 2013 at 3:06 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #17   debkatz

    I am impressed by the relative gentleness that has been extended to the murderous pregnant lady. Bravo, people. What has come over you all. You are truly cutting someone some slack. This gives me more faith in humanity than people responding appropriately at a 4-way stop. *weeping* xo

    Jul 15, 2013 at 3:33 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   The Elf

      I didn’t see this as a serious threat. Sorry.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 6:48 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #18   shwo! bang

    Our top story tonight: A pregnant Maryland woman went on a murderous rampage at today’s Orioles-Phillies game, apparently enraged by a seventh inning stretch performance of Gangsta’s Paradise featuring Coolio and the Phillie Phanatic.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 3:37 pm   rating: 16  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   H for Toy

      You should visit us more often, shwo. :)

      Jul 15, 2013 at 6:42 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #19   juju_skittles

    In other news, local police are baffled by a spate of home invasions, where apparently nothing was damaged or stolen. Police allege the only victims were the air conditioners, whose settings had been interfered with. One victim made this comment: “I feel violated, no one should push my buttons like that”. Police have no suspects, but urge anyone who has noticed gangs of pregnant women loitering in the area not to approach them, but to contact the authorities.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 6:59 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

     
  • #20   Tard

    My friend, pregnant for the first time, would meet me for lunch twice a month. Each time she would start the conversation with “well, there’s another store I can never walk into again… “.

    Apparently tempers were a bit short for the duration.

    Jul 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm   rating: 10  small thumbs up

     
  • #21   Lori

    I am always cold too. I’ve never been pregnant so can’t comment on that, but yeah, unless the temp is in the 90s or above I don’t even like a fan going.

    The last person I lived with was the exact opposite, she liked it frigid. And I don’t mean just cool, I mean frigid. She ran fans all the time and left all the windows open year ’round, even when it was 30 degrees outside. I would come behind her and close the windows because it’s now 35 degrees in the house, I’m in 4 sweaters and can’t feel my hands but next thing I knew all the windows were open again, and this time there was a fan in one of them. This was one of the many reasons we no longer share a house.

    At least now my BF and I have closer ideas of what’s comfortable…he still likes things cooler than I do but at least he doesn’t insist on living in an icebox!

    Jul 16, 2013 at 2:28 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

    • #21.1   j

      oh, how i wish i lived with someone like that, lori! soooo tired of waking up sick, sweaty, & dehydrated all the time, while living with thin-skinned elderly people who turn off all the fans and AC in the morning & refuse to just dress warmer or cover up– even when it’s in the mid-90s.

      Jul 21, 2013 at 2:43 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #22   Tess

    Am I missing something here? Everyone seems to think she wants the A/C off, but that isn’t what she’s asking for.

    For this type of digital thermostat you can set it to “Cool” and “Auto” to have the A/C automatically turn on and off to keep the temp down to a set degree.

    Turning on “Cool” and “Fan” just means the A/C runs continuously – all the time. This would cause a HUGE power bill. I don’t blame her for being pissed. Pregnancy is expensive enough in the US, having an electric bill that is several hundred dollars is unneeded stress.

    Jul 16, 2013 at 11:11 am   rating: 8  small thumbs up

    • #22.1   H for Toy

      A couple people mentioned that. I guess that’s what we all get for not having central AC. I only have window units, and it’s basically on/off. The auto vs fan explanation sheds a whole different sense-making light on the note.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 11:20 am   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #22.2   The Elf

      This doesn’t strike me as a note that’s about money wasted on electricity. This strikes me as a note that’s about temperature.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 1:00 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #23   depro

    Real world explanation for “cool” and “fan”:

    Cool will automatically kick the compressor into action, actively dropping the ambient temperature. Fan is a method of distribution. When the temp drops to the desired setting, the compressor will turn off; but since the fan is still on, it will continue to move the air around (and it will heat up again faster).

    Also, cold air sinks – so you’ll be sweaty around your head while your feet are like ice blocks, so having the fan on makes total sense – unless you are a homicidal maniac using pregnancy as an excuse to hide your nature.

    Jul 16, 2013 at 11:35 am   rating: 5  small thumbs up

    • #23.1   Timba

      Pregnancy had little to do with the note. Just so happens that they occurred at the same time.

      Besides, if you lived with your elder brother, I’m sure you’d threaten him every now and again, too.

      Jul 17, 2013 at 12:17 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #24   Eileen

    Try being a heat-lover married to a polar bear. Especially in the car. If I put the heat on, he turns it down. If I have the AC on at a reasonable setting, he turns it all the way up.
    I imagine being pregnant would be a thousand times worse.

    Jul 16, 2013 at 3:21 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #25   Nick

    Original Poster here:

    The note is specifically in reference to the temperature. I have a habit of turning on the Fan and Cool features at the same time after everyone has gone to bed. What can I say, I like it cold.

    In any event, she’s made several mentions to me about adjusting it back when *I* go to bed, and apparently I’d forgotten one time too many.

    Jul 16, 2013 at 5:13 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   Gladystopia

      I’m glad to see you’re still among us, Nick, and haven’t yet been straight-up murdered.

      Jul 16, 2013 at 7:08 pm   rating: 6  small thumbs up

       
    • #25.2   Timba

      You lying liar face!

      Note WRITER here, housemates in this case are my sibling, and my husband…neither of whom are in charge of finances…that’s my gig)

      It has nothing to do with the temperature, it was really more the power bill that had me running for the Sharpie.

      I think 74 degrees is plenty cool…no need to keep the fan blasting.

      Jul 17, 2013 at 12:14 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #25.3   H for Toy bang

      Uh oh, Gladys. Looks like your comment (and Nick’s life) are short-lived.

      On a side note, I’m a fan of the “lying liar face” insult, now.

      Jul 18, 2013 at 12:48 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

       
    • #25.4   The Elf

      Sibling showdown! Who’s got popcorn?

      Jul 18, 2013 at 1:24 pm   rating: 3  small thumbs up

       
    • #25.5   j

      74 is plenty cool? whaaaaaat?! it is uncomfortably HOT for me!

      Jul 21, 2013 at 2:53 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
    • #25.6   Dr.Chalkwitheringlicktacklefeff

      She can always put a sweater on. It’s much easier to warm yourself up when you’re too cold than it is to cool yourself down when too warm. If you walked around naked I’m sure she’d complain about that too.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 11:48 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #26   redheadwglasses

    From a mechanical engineer here at work: “That note is completely useless without a complete schematic of what her control system is. “

    Jul 17, 2013 at 12:04 pm   rating: 2  small thumbs up

     
  • #27   redheadwglasses

    Heat index of 100 today. As a DJ on the radio said, “There’s something odd about a state in which you can ice fish AND it gets to 100 in the same year.”

    I jsut got a window AC unit a week ago and it is saving my life at night. Babysitting for friends paid off — one couple gave me a window AC as thanks for babysitting for them!

    Jul 17, 2013 at 12:09 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #28   Nahhh bang

    For heaven’s sake, Preggo. Put on a jacket. A straight one.

    Jul 17, 2013 at 12:11 pm   rating: 4  small thumbs up

     
  • #29   Shannon

    Being a fellow pregnant woman, I totally understand the hate for everyone/everything at times and the need to go off on mofos, but A/C?!?! What pregnant woman hates A/C?!?!

    Jul 17, 2013 at 12:54 pm   rating: 1  small thumbs up

     
  • #30   j

    woooow, i would want to “straight-up murder” this girl, if she were MY roommate. 76 degrees? noooooo way. i melt at 73, with my overactive thyroid. what a bitch. put on more clothes or grab a blanket; no reason to inconvenience everyone else.

    Jul 21, 2013 at 2:24 am   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     
  • #31   Tracy

    I have the same thermostat and when you set it to fan it ignores any other settings. It is a manufacturer issue. So on the really hot days people who are ignorant of the ways of the thermostat will set it to cool & fan to provide extra coolness, when in reality all they are doing is setting it to circulate hot air all day. This note is justified.

    Aug 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm   rating: 0  small thumbs up

     

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