The First World Problems of a 12-year-old boy

February 13th, 2014 · 115 comments

Writes Peter in the UK:  ”My 12-year-old son is angry we won’t let him buy and Xbox One, mostly because he spends too much time online already. On the day this discussion happened, we found this note on the computer. (Clearly he has learned about different government systems from the newspaper, not in school…)”

I am very MAD; a person who I wish to remain nameless has UPSET me very much. This person claims that this household is a democracy when really it is COMMUNISM almost like NORTH KOREA, which in this day and age is completely unacceptable. I believe that this household should change to a DEMOCRACY, where everyone does not necessarily have equal rights, but is entitled to do what they want within reason. I am very ANGRY! :(

P.S. Peter, perhaps your little millennial Adrian Mole would be better of spending some time with this instead?

related: Emily declares freedom!

FILED UNDER: kids · Moms & Dads · sad face

115 responses so far ↓

  • #1   Lita bang

    Huh. It reads like a Mad Lib.

    I also keep reading it as “MAD UPSET COMMUNISM – NORTH KOREA DEMOCRACY ANGRY” which sounds supiciously like a tabloid headline and is quite amusing.

    Feb 13, 2014 at 10:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   Tesselara

      After reading this note I’d be so very tempted to run the house actually the way North Korea is run.

      Except I’m not evil.

      He WOULD have a very long homework assignment on communism, the conditions of life in North Korea, and how Democracy actually works (majority rules–2 against 1 still no X-box).

      Feb 14, 2014 at 7:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.2   Lita bang

      I love you a lot right now, Tesselara. <3

      Feb 14, 2014 at 4:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.3   Tesselara

      Aww! You’re pretty great, too, Lita!

      Feb 15, 2014 at 1:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.4   Tesselara

      Aww! I think you’re pretty great, too, Lita!

      Feb 15, 2014 at 1:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.5   Tesselara

      Editing and deleting not working! augh! (anyone else having this problem?)

      Feb 16, 2014 at 10:44 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.6   Tard

      It’s never worked for me, I quit trying.

      (I blame Bush)

      Feb 16, 2014 at 12:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.7   Lita bang

      I’ve been having it for the past four or five posts, it asks me if I’m ABSOLUTELY SURE I want to do that and then makes me refresh the page. Which does nothing. :|

      Feb 16, 2014 at 12:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.8   Tard

      Oh my Lord, Please don’t forsake me
      This is your child, I’m tired and sore.
      Oh my Lord, can you hear me?
      I need your love; my soul is poor.

      (This is a Drama Llama reference to our First World Problem here… smile!)

      Feb 16, 2014 at 2:01 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #2   Baron

    He’s confusing democracy with some kind of Anarchy …

    Feb 13, 2014 at 11:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   Jazzgirl205

      Families are not democracies. They are monarchies. The boy will ascend to the throne when he has his own children.

      Feb 16, 2014 at 4:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.2   The Beast Among Us

      Reminds me of a line from Bad News Bears – “This is not a democracy, this is a dictatorship!”

      Feb 19, 2014 at 1:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #3   1deprogrammed1

    Democracy would let Mom go to school and make the kid go to work. I think this warrants consideration.

    Feb 13, 2014 at 11:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #4   Scott Hall

    fuck aren’t xbones $500? I don’t think they have any games in his age range anyway.

    Feb 13, 2014 at 11:47 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   The Elf

      Forza. Plus there’s a bunch of downloadables that are pretty cool and not rated M for Mature.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 1:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #5   Eduardo

    If the kid has the money, let him buy it…
    When I was young, that happened to me: My dad freaked out on me because I wouldn’t cover the computer with some plastic covers to protect it (?!) .
    I saved 1000 USD and bought one for myself that had a CD-ROM! (back in 1994-5) and put it in my room and nobody else could use it.

    Feb 14, 2014 at 12:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   Tard

      Yes, the wording “… Won’t let his son buy an X-Box…” makes it sound like the 12 YO has the money himself?

      That was the rule in our house, wash cars, mow lawns, deliver papers and the money was yours to spend.

      P.S. your own computer in your room = Porn Box.
      Just Sayin’

      Feb 14, 2014 at 7:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.2   Zorin

      Oh gods, the plastic covers! I remember those. People thought the slightest bit of dust would destroy computers back then. :)

      Feb 14, 2014 at 9:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.3   Sir Readsalot

      My boss still does…

      Feb 14, 2014 at 9:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.4   Poltergeist

      While the note is still ridiculous regardless of the situation, I’m going to have to agree. I’m positive that almost all parents have told their kids at some point, “If you want something, you have to save up for it.” You shouldn’t say that if you’re just going to turn around and tell them they can’t get what they want anyway.

      Feb 14, 2014 at 1:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.5   kermit

      To be fair, it’s not that simple. The lesson here is not just to save up for something you want, but to save up for worthwhile things.

      And not to be a party-pooper, but unless the kid really likes computers (as in programming them) spending that much money to just play some video games is stupid. My rent costs as much as that game console. That’s the point where “saving” turns into “investing”.

      Feb 14, 2014 at 2:07 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.6   Poltergeist

      Part of the lesson should be that it is *his* money and he can spend it how he wants, but if he uses it all on one thing, he won’t have any left for when he inevitably needs/wants something in the future. Just don’t cave in and buy him what he wants with your own money.

      Frankly, that’s enough of an investment lesson from mom and dad. Any more and you’re getting into “I’m taxing your allowance” territory where the kid just thinks you’re being an asshole. Handling it this way takes the blame off of you for not buying something and places it on him. “No, we’re not getting you that” becomes “Well, you could have gotten that, but you spent all your money before on the Xbox.”

      Feb 14, 2014 at 6:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.7   kermit

      The problem with that strategy is that the kid may not necessarily want anything more expensive in the future.

      I’m not a parent, but for me this isn’t about “blame”. It’s about recognizing the fact that expensive things should be investments and have more value/use than just entertainment.

      Feb 14, 2014 at 8:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.8   Raichu

      What’s wrong with buying an expensive thing for entertainment, if you have the means to do so?

      Feb 15, 2014 at 1:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.9   The Elf

      Nothing, if you aren’t 12. Then it has to pass parent muster. But for adults, who cares why you bought it? I have absolutely no problem spending discretionary money (i.e. leftover after savings, after paying bills) on something just for entertainment, if that’s what I want.

      Hell, that’s why I bought a motorcycle. The gas savings is just icing on the cake.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 1:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.10   Poltergeist

      I don’t think age should matter as long as it’s your own money. We’re talking about a game console here, not a puppy that mom and dad are ultimately going to have to be responsible for.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 2:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.11   Wanda

      What’s wrong, you ask? My dears, if he has the money the dear boy should be getting the PS4. XBox, pfft.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 2:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.12   poopypants

      I always hated the argument “Don’t spend all your money, you’ll want more in the future” as a child.

      As a kid my money responsibilities were for stuff I wanted. Didn’t have to pay taxes (until I got an actual job, not just farm work), didn’t have to buy food or pay utilities, I just had to buy things I liked.

      But my mom always ALWAYS (even when I bought a car, the biggest ticket item a non-adult will probably buy) told me to save my money because I might want something else in the future. But if I never bought anything I wanted because I might want to buy something I wanted in the future, then I’d never get to buy a damn thing.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 8:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.13   kermit

      Not to belabor the point, but that wasn’t my argument, Poopy.

      For me, there’s a difference between just buying something and an investment. The difference is price and the uses of the thing you want to buy. If it’s single use and the price is most/all your income that thing better be an investment. (And I’m not even getting into the argument that a 12 year old non-actor/model can’t possibly earn $600 doing chores around the house or neighborhood unless people are overpaying him like $50 a pop to take out their garbage).

      It’s okay to want things, but if you want to be a financially responsible person, I think you need to be able to articulate reasons why you want them. “I want this to have fun” is not the same thing as “I need this because I want to have fun and learn about how gaming consoles work, so it makes sense to buy it”.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 9:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.14   L

      They don’t want him spending so much time online. So he could spend 500 dollars on a video game system… but he wouldn’t be allowed to play it!

      Yup, sounds worth it to me :P

      Feb 16, 2014 at 2:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.15   Bea Arthur

      “They don’t want him spending so much time online. So he could spend 500 dollars on a video game system… but he wouldn’t be allowed to play it!”

      Exactly. The parents didn’t say anything about saving money, they said he couldn’t buy it because, as parents, they didn’t want him playing too much. Seems like the whole debate could have been avoided had people just paid attention. :/

      Feb 16, 2014 at 7:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.16   Bea Arthur

      “They don’t want him spending so much time online. So he could spend 500 dollars on a video game system… but he wouldn’t be allowed to play it!”

      Exactly. The parents didn’t say anything about saving money, they said he couldn’t buy it because, as parents, they didn’t want him playing too much. Seems like the whole debate could have been avoided had people just paid attention. :/

      Feb 16, 2014 at 7:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.17   The Elf

      Sorry, Kermit, but I’m not 12. If I want something, and I can afford it, I don’t really need a justification for wanting it. It really is okay to just have fun.

      Feb 16, 2014 at 10:46 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.18   Jessi

      “(And I’m not even getting into the argument that a 12 year old non-actor/model can’t possibly earn $600 doing chores around the house or neighborhood unless people are overpaying him like $50 a pop to take out their garbage).”

      Kermit, I had the same thought at work the other days. This little girl (9 years old) came in with her family to purchase a reptile that she wanted. It cost $50. She was bragging to me about how she’d saved up her own money to purchase the lizard and that it took her a whole week. I want to know how the hell a 9 year old earned $50 in a week. Tell me that, spammers!

      Feb 16, 2014 at 10:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.19   Poltergeist

      The parents could have told her that if she took out the garbage a few times that week, they’d give her $10. Repeat that for 4 more chores and she would have enough to buy the lizard. You could argue that they overpaid her, but seeing as she did the chores, she still technically earned the money and saved up over the course of the week. And who knows? Maybe she was a generally very well behaved child and the parents figured it wouldn’t be so bad to overpay her this one time.

      As for the 12 year old having $600 of his own money, it’s very possible. They probably saved up birthday/Christmas/graduation money for a few years. Some of it could have been from chores too. It’s not hard to see how that all could add up. And while he may not have done anything specific to earn the gift money, that still wouldn’t change the fact that it was actually *his* money.

      Feb 17, 2014 at 1:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.20   kermit

      Graduation money? Haha, a 12 year old hasn’t graduated from anything except kindergarten.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 5:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.21   Poltergeist

      By the time I was 12, I had graduated from elementary school. Maybe “graduated” is too strong of a word, but moving on to a new school was still considered a milestone in my life, and my parents were proud of me.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 12:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.22   kermit

      Elementary school/primary school ends at grade 8. A 12 year old is in grade 4 or 5.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 12:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.23   buni

      I received several hundred dollars from my extended family when I made my First Communion at age 9; and some elementary schools end at grade 5 and the middle school is combined with the high school. In those districts, kids “graduate” from 5th grade and 12th grade, not 8th and 12th.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 12:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.24   Poltergeist

      Yes, things are obviously different depending on where you come from. I lived in a suburb if NYC for grade school (still do) and went to 3 different schools. Elementary school was K-5, Middle school was 6-8, and High school was 9-12.

      Feb 19, 2014 at 1:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.25   L

      My high school was 7-12. Elementary was K-6. My other elementary school was K-8. And actually I was in 7th and 8th grade at twelve. So no, a 12 year old is not in grade FOUR??? 9 and 10 year olds are in 4th and 5th grade.

      Feb 20, 2014 at 6:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.26   Dolly

      I have to agree with the others who said if it is HIS money he earned or was given from say grandparents, he should be able to buy whatever he wants with it within reason. Like he can’t buy porn or a gun but letting him buy a video game system is reasonable to me.

      My parents never told me what to buy with my money. They let me learn with experience how to dole out my money for the things I wanted. I learned the hard way if I spent all my money on one thing then I did not have any for this other thing later.

      I am doing a similar system with my 7 year olds. They earn money and then can spend it however they want. So whenever they say they want something I say “Okay go buy it with your money then”. Already they understand about saving up for something they really want and not blowing it on smaller things. They both saved up enough to go in together on the Skylanders swap force game and that was $70 which was a lot of money for 7 year olds.

      Feb 22, 2014 at 11:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.27   Macca

      Yeah, if it’s your money you buy what you want. Since he doesn’t have to worry about taxes, insurance, rent, etc yet everything he earns is discretionary and he can spend it on anything without a care. If later he realizes he spent all his money and now can’t have new thing X, well that’s a lesson learned without forcing it ahead of time.

      And really, limiting the amount of time he spends online? How would that change anything? Say he gets 3 hours a day online. Now he has to split his attention between a computer and an xbox rather than all 3 hours on the computer. Simple. How would buying a new entertainment device cause his usage to go up unless as parents, they changed the rules?

      Feb 26, 2014 at 3:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.28   SilentPsycho

      “Elementary school/primary school ends at grade 8. A 12 year old is in grade 4 or 5.”

      Kermit, this is in the UK. Over here, kids live primary school and start high school aged 11.

      Mar 26, 2014 at 1:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #6   TRT

    Yes, the family is a democracy. It’s just that you’re too young to vote.

    Feb 14, 2014 at 4:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   April

      But here’s your gun, soldier!

      Feb 14, 2014 at 9:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.2   Jami

      But April, you have to be 18 to join the military. (Unless you lie about your age.) And 18 is also the voting age.

      You just can’t drink until you’re 21.

      Feb 16, 2014 at 1:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.3   Jessi

      Yeah! You can go to war and die for us, but you can’t drink!

      Feb 16, 2014 at 10:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #7   TKD

    I’m gonna take my problem to the United Nations
    Well I called my congressman and he said quote:
    “I’d like to help you son but you’re too young to vote”
    Sometimes I wonder what I’m a gonna do

    Feb 14, 2014 at 7:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   Tard

      … ‘Cause there ain’t no cure for the summertime blues!

      Feb 14, 2014 at 7:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.2   kirk

      He invented this song and the warp drive, what a genius!

      Feb 17, 2014 at 5:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #8   Elle

    Outraged kids are hilarious. (Well, the ones like this who have nothing to actually be outraged about, anyway.)

    Feb 14, 2014 at 7:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #9   assiveProgressive

    Perhaps the lad is referring to the execution of his uncle and uncle’s family over the holidays. Not to mention the annoying visits by Dennis Rodman.

    Feb 14, 2014 at 8:44 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #10   Robin

    I’ve always been very open in informing my children that our house IS a democracy, but none of them are old enough to vote.

    Feb 14, 2014 at 9:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #11   Kwyjor

    The pristine quality of this young man’s grammar nearly makes me weep for joy. Perhaps there is hope for the future after all. Could the discipline of his parents be serving to boost his education?

    I might say he still has much to learn about typography, but then again this seems downright worthy of a modern art installation.

    Feb 14, 2014 at 9:45 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   ana

      Yes, his spelling and grammar is good, but since he knows absolutely nothing about how democracy works it really sad. So I think that negates his use of good spelling/grammar. (I don’t believe I learned about other government systems until I was older so I’ll let the not understanding communism as ok).

      Feb 14, 2014 at 9:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.2   buni

      This is how my childhood PA notes looked. The words I wanted to emphasize were huge. Sadly, there’s no verbal equivalent that I found satisfactory.

      Feb 14, 2014 at 10:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.3   vstorevigilante

      I think kids that spend a lot of time online (and not doing much else) do have one virtue: excellent spelling and vocabulary. At least this is true of my 12-year-old brother. I wish my parents would force him outside, but being able to have conversations with him that are far more intelligent than those I have with my 21-year-old sister is impressive. When he’s not playing games, he’s on Wikipedia binges and reading news sites and such. It’s done wonders.

      Feb 17, 2014 at 2:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.4   Rattus

      Really? With whom are they, your 12-year-old brother and others, conversing on-line? I have found that the more time I spend reading the words of others in various forums, the more the most egregious errors are passed along and adopted. Prolly be needing a brolly today? That doesn’t phase me? Loosing my mind? These and many others appear to becoming the de facto spellings.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 11:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #12   macphile

    I’d expect to see this on White Whine, frankly. Comparing an “unfair” household situation with *North Korea* is the whitest whine I’ve ever heard in my life. I mean, unless the people they’re addressing this to are actually starving and torturing them–in that case, then, the note would be justified.

    Feb 14, 2014 at 11:52 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #13   Havingfitz

    Even if it is the kid’s own money, Mom and Dad still have final say about what comes into the house. They pay the rent/mortgage, the internet bill, and the electric bill. And they may want to remind the kiddo that at the funeral of Kim Jong-il, people were pulled out of line and arrested for not looking ‘sad enough’.

    Feb 14, 2014 at 12:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #14   Jaylemieux

    What’s “too much time” online?

    Feb 14, 2014 at 12:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   Wench

      @ Jaylemieux I actually read into that as ‘got caught watching porn’……

      Feb 14, 2014 at 3:07 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #15   Madrias

    Do the kid a favor and tell him to save his money, then once he’s got enough, he can get a PC instead of a console.

    As a PC gamer myself, I can attribute that there are no downsides to playing on the PC. Games look better, you have a refined control layout, you can still use your controllers if you insist, and you don’t have to shut the thing down every time you want to change a game.

    Oh, and sometimes you can get some really wicked sales on Steam.

    Feb 14, 2014 at 3:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   Madrias

      Replying to my own because I can’t edit for some reason…

      Another advantage of a PC, if he fraks it up, he gets to fix it.

      As for spending too much time online, I won’t advocate software, but a good router will have abilities to lock out certain MAC addresses in time spans. This’ll also work on consoles to cut their LAN connection.

      Feb 14, 2014 at 3:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.2   Lita bang

      This makes me oddly happy right now, because I’m currently picking up the parts to build my own gaming PC…

      Feb 14, 2014 at 4:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.3   Claire

      Definitely recommend. You can find a decent few PC parts for what a new XBone costs AND it does non-game things also. I can’t do my taxes on an xbox.

      The thing that sold me was Steam summer sale. Then I learned about controller support and Humble Bundle and I haven’t bought a gaming-specific console again.

      Feb 14, 2014 at 8:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.4   kermit

      Er, I’m pretty sure you can hack an Xbox and use it as a computer if you want. You just have to be savy and interested enough to do it.

      Gaming computers (at least the ones marketed as such) can definitely run you more than ~ $600 because you need a top notch graphics card and a high speed processor to handle all that interactive stuff.

      Feb 14, 2014 at 8:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.5   Lita bang

      The ones marketed as such, yes.

      Build your own from the ground up? Well, mine’s only costing ~$400 and the majority of that is the CPU and the motherboard. It doesn’t have to have super top of the line parts, just so long as it’ll run what you’re after.

      Feb 14, 2014 at 9:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.6   Raichu

      Steam is to gaming what Netflix was to movies. I’ve been saying this for a little while now. PC gaming is amazing. You have a huge library of games at your fingertips, ways to get them legally and often inexpensively, and with Steam developing on OS, TV compatibility, its own controller… also, a PC is something many people own anyway that’s useful for far more than gaming. It’s customizeable – you can mod it just how you like by buying parts separately, and you can replace parts over time instead of replacing it all at once if something breaks or you want an upgrade.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 1:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.7   Raichu

      Basically, I honestly think in 10-15 years consoles will be obsolete, at least for most games. (I’m not sure what will happen to Nintendo since it’s quite different from what Microsoft and Sony are doing and doesn’t really intersect with PC gaming at all.)

      Feb 15, 2014 at 1:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.8   The Elf

      I’m a fan of consoles, but I agree. The future of gaming is in downloadable content. I play primarily on PC, but like consoles too.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 1:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.9   poopypants

      Did somebody really turn this into a pc vs. consoles discussion?

      How’s that neckbeard coming along?

      Feb 15, 2014 at 8:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.10   Madrias

      I didn’t make it a full PC vs. Console discussion. I made a statement to test the waters, seeing how many like-minded people there were currently reading here.

      Had I wanted to make it PC vs. Consoles, I would have opened with something along the lines of “Damn good thing, not letting him become a console peasant. Get him a PC and show him true enlightenment.”

      Instead, I picked something that has some truth to it: A good PC can play your games and is still a better investment. Add a printer, he can print out that 5000 word essay his teachers will make him write. He can use the ‘net to do research for school, and when the time comes, he can type up a proper resume from it.

      A console does a few things really well. The XB1, well, it’s a good movie player and a gaming platform, but that’s about it. Same with the PS4. The only advantages over the XB360 and PS3 is upgraded hardware, which I can change in my desktop in roughly 10 minutes flat. And that’s if I have to go find my screwdriver kit first.

      As mentioned, a mid-level PC will do just fine for gaming. You don’t need a $1000+ rig to enjoy a game. I’ve played plenty of games on $450 worth of hardware. After a while, I decided to just build a desktop that realistically won’t need CPU upgrades for another 6 years or so from now onward. As for GPU’s, my two GTX 580′s struggle at my resolution (NV Surround 5040×1050), but I could solve that if I wanted to sink money into new cards.

      I haven’t gone out of my way to put consoles down as without consoles, we probably wouldn’t have as many gamers as we have today. The Atari 2600 put games in many peoples houses. The NES revolutionized gaming in a time when everyone predicted it was done for. The PS1 brought disk based games to the home for the first reliable time. The Genesis/MegaDrive showed that addons can help, and hurt, a console. The PS2 introduced people to the idea of a console being more than a gaming device, and now we have the XB1 trying to follow in those footsteps as a Multimedia Console.

      On the other side of the coin, PCs like the Commodore 64 (or 128), the Atari ST, and the Commodore Amiga introduced the brilliant spark of PC gaming. Which carried through the DOS era, into 3.1, 95, 98, XP, and now to Vista/7/8. Macs are getting in on it, and even Linux is getting a taste. Steam came out and all but halted physical disk sales. Thousands of gaming peripherals are sold to plug into USB, and before that, it was the Game Port.

      So no, I have no problems with the kid getting an XB1 if that’s what he really wants. A PC would be a slightly better investment, but one can’t argue that a console can do some tasks better.

      And this comes from someone who has used a PC since Windows 95, owned a Nintendo 64, a PS2, and an Xbox 360. Honestly, I prefer the PC, and it’s not for the graphics. I’ve found the gaming crowd tends to be just a marginal hint more mature when you’re playing on PC.

      Feb 16, 2014 at 1:52 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #16   kermit

    Oh, if you build your own they can definitely be much much cheaper. I assume that if you want the latest/most fanciest and popular games, you don’t have much of a choice but to get the top of the line stuff.

    This is why I’m kinda glad that my love of computer games started/stopped with old timey ones that only run on DOS (or DOS clone).

    Feb 14, 2014 at 10:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   Lita bang

      Alright, you got me there – I don’t really have any urge to run most of the OMG SOOPER GRAPHIX!!!1111oneoneoneleven games that are out nowadays. The most stressful thing I’ll be running is a Japanese MMO and I know for sure I can run it at max settings (I still have the video card I was using for that; I just can’t use it in my current computer, and the one I had it in DIED. MESSILY.) so yeah, I suppose I COULD up the price by a lot if I wanted to go really extreme.

      …Maybe when it comes time for more upgrades.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 11:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.2   kermit

      Hey, don’t look at me; I’m still upset that they ruined the Prince of Persia from the DOS version to whatever Conan the Barbarian thing they have going now.

      Feb 15, 2014 at 2:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #17   verklempt

    This reminds me of the time I told my mom it was child abuse to make me sit on the floor instead of on the couch because I kept spilling stuff on the couch. I read “A Child Called It” after that and felt like a total dick. Sorry, mom.

    Feb 15, 2014 at 11:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   Dolly

      this struck with me. I tell my kids all the time I am going to send them to a third world country or a meth head’s house to live for a week and then they would realize how good they had it.

      I had a friend when I was little that always threatened to call the child abuse hotline on her mother anytime her mother pissed her off. I think one time she actually called it. She was a spoiled little princess so it was especially funny.

      Feb 22, 2014 at 11:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.2   verklempt

      For the record, I did apologize to her after I read the book. Seems ridiculous now, doesn’t it?

      Mar 18, 2014 at 3:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #18   Tard

    Honey Badger Don’t Care.

    Feb 15, 2014 at 11:45 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #19   Jami

    Completely off topic but since when do we really stay on topic here? Anyway, I don’t know what to say about this – I never wrote PANs as a kid. I was the cry and scream type. Um – let’s see, the closest I can get to anything mentioned in here is that I recently mentioned to a tech guy at Fry’s who’s helping fix my laptop (it’s running too damn hot) that I’m thinking of a new desktop eventually cause this one’s getting old and I HATE Vista. He said that I was “smart enough to build your own.”

    I think he over estimates my computer expertise. I know how to turn one on and run a virus scan.

    Anyway, I think I’ve whined about my severe anemia and how it’s linked to my menstrual cycle.

    What I’m trying to say is I’m getting a hysterectomy this Wednesday.

    I’m fine with the surgery. The anesthesia scares me. I wish there was a way for them to make it so I can’t feel the pain but can be awake. Hell, I’d even happily watch what’s going on on a tv. Just let me be awake. Maybe seeing the inside of my body will get me to stick to a diet the way nothing else has, right?

    I’ve tried a dozen times to tell you all this and chickened out each time cause I wasn’t sure of the reactions (so far I’ve had more than a few people try to talk me out of it even though I’ve explored everything else and this is the only option) so I’m going to hit submit really quick before I chicken out again.

    Feb 16, 2014 at 11:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.1   assiveProgressive

      I had a procedure done a few years ago because of my heavy periods — did not have to go whole hog with a hysterectomy. Really helped make life SO much more bearable. Now though I am older and in menopause, which is even better. Do not miss the miseries. None of this has anything to do with an Xbox. Well maybe an X’ed out box. Hey good luck, hope it helps you

      Feb 17, 2014 at 1:52 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.2   Lil'

      I am praying for you, Jami. I had a friend years ago who had it done for similar reasons and it changed her life for the better. I can relate to the anesthesia fear. I had a breast reduction over 5 years ago (because my first pregnancy took me from D to DDD – It seemed I was always holding my newborn two feet away.) My biggest fear was not waking up to raise my son, but I had to remind myself that those stories are rare and that I had a staff of medically trained, competent people who were there to monitor and care for me. (Not to mention a mother who would have hunted them down like a lioness if they didn’t.) I woke up happy and healthy…and a pleasantly perky C. Sorry for the over-share there :) Anyway, I say all that to say, you will be great. You will come out of this better than ever. And when you’re feeling up to, be sure to send us a note letting us know how you are doing.

      Feb 17, 2014 at 7:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.3   The Elf

      Good luck on the surgery, Jami!

      Feb 17, 2014 at 10:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.4   Tard

      I’m having my first surgery of any kind ever at age 56 on March 13, spinal surgery on my neck.
      The anesthesia is the thing that concerns me the most as well, I discussed this with my docs, they both said this was really normal due to the idea of ‘loss of control’.
      Really, it’s so low risk now, we are far more likely to be in a car accident on the way to the hospital.

      So, now I’m fretting having to use the bed pan during my 48 hours in the hospital. Later it will be something else.

      Everything is gonna be OK, we get MORPHINE.
      Yes, we do.
      Yes, we do.
      We get morphine.

      Feb 17, 2014 at 11:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.5   hbc

      Anyone who tries to talk you out of the procedure (or into the procedure) who isn’t personally or medically familiar with both your symptoms and the effects of a hysterectomy is an idiot. How the heck do they know whether it’s worth it?

      I can’t make the anesthesia fear go away. It’s just necessary to get you from where you are to where you want to be, so you have to push through. Or not. You can decide it’s not worth it up until the second your eyes close on the table, so just remember that you have all the power here.

      Feb 17, 2014 at 11:20 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.6   Jami

      Thanks. *hugs*

      Lil’ – I want a breast reduction so bad! I’m always in severe pain in my neck and shoulders from my DDDs. I lost 60 pounds and they STILL stayed a DDD. Just the band size got smaller.

      It’s been a long road to get this far. I had to get a lot of tests to make sure there was no other reasons for my anemia. Then I had more than one doctor who was more concerned about my ability to breed than my health. One even walked out on me after I pointed out repeatedly birth control does not work for me – too many side effects – and another said, even though I said I was never getting married, “When you get married your husband will want children.”

      Course that was before anyone knew I had a polyp in my uterus. And I’ve got several different risks for uterine cancer including celibacy. (Women really can’t win. Have sex and you lower your chances of uterine cancer but raise your risk of cervical cancer. Don’t have sex and you lower your risk of cervical cancer but raise your risk of uterine cancer. Oy vey.)

      Feb 17, 2014 at 11:22 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.7   TKD

      You should try to speak with your Anesthesiologist or surgeon about the option of a spinal block vs. a general. There are pros and cons to both, and only an open discussion can help you be sure the choice is correct. Remember, you have the right to participate in your healthcare decisions. Even doctors refer to it as a medical practice :-)

      Good luck and we look forward to hearing from you on Thursday!

      Feb 17, 2014 at 11:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.8   Poltergeist

      Best of luck Jami!

      Feb 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.9   Snicklefritz

      Having gone through some similar issues, I can certainly understand your fear Jami. My problem with anesthesia has more to do with severe vomiting afterwards, not with any fears. They worked up a cocktail of items for me before hand so I had no issues with nausea when I woke up. You’ll spend quite a bit of time with the anesthesiologist before the procedure. They will do everything to ease your fears and to make you comfortable with any decisions. You’ll spend far more time with that one person than anyone else on your surgical team . They want to make sure they get everything right for you.

      Tard – best of luck with your spinal fusion and the recovery. I can only imagine that this is a last step after years of dealing with back issues. I’ve watched all of my close relatives (mother, son, siblings and neices) deal with back issues. Somehow it managed to bypass me, which means that I regularly get wrangled into doing the heavy lifting for everyone.

      Feb 17, 2014 at 4:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.10   uncreative

      Jami, I was really disturbed by the idea of general anesthesia before I first had to have it, but my surgery went really well. It’d be a bit weird if you weren’t at all anxious about an upcoming surgery. But I hope yours goes smoothly and well. It sounds like it will be really good for you.

      As to the pain of large breasts, while breast reduction surgery can certainly help. If that isn’t an option (or not one at this time), I’d recommend researching bras a bit more. If you’re getting shoulder pain, you’re probably wearing a bra that is too small and thus forcing the straps to support far more of the weight of your breasts than they are supposed to. The band is supposed to be the primary support component and the shoulders just add a bit more if you’re especially busty. American bras pretty much don’t come in sizes that support large breasts, so stores always shove people into bras with extra large bands that don’t provide support. If the center of the bra, between the breasts, is not laying flush against the skin, then your bra doesn’t fit you right. England does sell bra sizes designed for actual breasts, even large ones, so ordering from there may be an option for you (no, it’s not cheap, but it is cheaper than surgery and more accessible, so it may be worthwhile to you). Also, my friend who is a seamstress/costume designer is planning to open a store in the US to bring real sizes here (if you’re also in the US, which maybe you aren’t). You can check out her indiegogo campaign if you want to by doing a web search for “a revelation in size indiegogo” even if you don’t want to participate, which would make sense as it’s a stranger on the web, you might find the link to info on an in-depth fit analysis helpful.

      I’m not even that big (a little bigger than average, but nothing overly impressive) and it is impossible for me to buy a properly fitting bra anywhere I’ve checked in the US. And the people I know who have switched to the modern European much smaller band, much bigger cup sizing model all seem to be far, far more comfortable with their bras. I actually used to think the whole concept of the center part lying flat and the band supporting breasts thing was kind of a myth for a while, since the bra sizes stores tended to carry never did that for me, and I knew my breasts weren’t that unusual.

      Feb 17, 2014 at 5:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.11   Jami

      Tard – just seeing your post now. Good luck. Bedpans, gross.

      Morphine – I’m actually hoping to not get it. I’m afraid of the possibility of addiction.

      Uncreative – I also have a latex allergy which really limits the bras I can wear. The brands that fit well and support well also give me a horrific rash – in one case I actually developed open, weeping sores. I’ve tried looking for latex-free bras but the only company that makes them, well, their bras are so freaking ugly. I even wrote that store from the show Double Divas looking for help. They flat out said they only use latex because it’s so stretchy while latex free is not.

      Feb 17, 2014 at 8:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.12   kermit

      Old timey shops that sell costume / period clothing might have non-latex bras in DDD.

      Also, can’t you just cover the latex bras with some cotton fabric so that the latex is not touching your skin at all? You can find a bra patterns/templates online, you know how to cut the cotton fabric and then just either sow it on top (or spray glue it if sowing is not your thing).

      Feb 17, 2014 at 8:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.13   Lita bang

      Good luck, Jami! Just think of how much better you’re going to feel afterward. You’ll be fine. :)

      Good luck to you too, Tard!

      Gonna agree with the sentiment that the worst part of anesthesia is usually the nausea, not the actual sedation. Having had surgery twice (both ankles), I had no idea the first time that I’d feel so deathly ill, and managed to forget it the second time so I neglected to mention it to the doctor. Did not actually hurl in front of anyone either time, but good god it was close.

      Feb 17, 2014 at 9:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.14   Jami

      @Kermit – sometimes the bras have the elastic completely covered and I still have a reaction.

      I want to learn to sew though and one reason is to make my own bras. That way I could have 100% control over the materials.

      The period clothing might be an idea though. Maybe some people who make steampunk stuff would have something. I should ask my friends who cosplay.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 12:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.15   kermit

      If it’s feasible, you could also try those Amish shops or maybe the Shakers. There must be DDD Amish women somewhere, and I don’t think they’re “allowed” to wear latex.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 12:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.16   Poltergeist

      Jami, I hear two seashells and a strand of seaweed make for a very supportive and hypoallergenic bra.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 1:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.17   The Elf

      Tard, my husband had fusion surgery on his neck. The pain that drove him to the surgery went away almost immediately, but it was a rough couple of weeks in that neck brace. He had a hard time finding a way to lay down and still feel like his head was supported. Stock up on pillows before you go in!

      Feb 18, 2014 at 7:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.18   Snicklefritz

      Poltergeist – that only works on Gilligan’s Island, where you can also use 2 coconuts as a battery.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 7:52 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.19   Kupo

      Having been through anesthesia for surgery before, I can tell you it’s a little weird when waking up and having no sense of the time from your internal clock, but if you know that’s going to happen it’s a little less disorienting. It’s really not that bad. They tell you to count back from 10 and the next thing you know you’re in the recovery room.

      If you’re worried about morphine talk to your doctor and see if there are alternatives. Or if you’re able to work with a pain specialist, that might be a good person to talk to about post-op pain relief options.

      Good luck, and I hope it gives you some relief.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 1:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #20   uncreative

    Oh, allergies. Those really complicate things. None of the shops I know of that sell sizes for bustier people specify latex-free, which means they probably do have latex. I have a problematic (but different) allergy myself, so I know you want to be sure that something is safe. I’m really sorry that makes things so difficult for you.

    Feb 17, 2014 at 9:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #21   Tard

    Not to divert from the other diverted spurs here, but I have a first world problem.

    Whenever I’m out with my Whippet, people ask if he’s a ‘rescue Greyhound’ and act miffed when the hear he’s an expensive, purebred dog from a breeder {gasp!}

    I had various pound puppies for decades, but Whippets are very clean and quiet, extremely athletic yet happy to snuggle on the couch and are nearly never available as rescue (and never from the pound).

    So, now I go out of my way to say he’s a purebred dog from a breeder, then sorta chuckle to rub it in.
    Worse, he’s intact, a huge sin, you see.

    This is the greater Seattle, WA area where being politically correct is oh-so important to the point of childish righteous condemnation (expressed passive-aggressively, under ones breath or with ‘looks’, of course). The ones who don’t engage just stare openly like I’m besting a retarded child.

    Like all zealots, they are oh-so easy to mess with, I’m concocting false scenarios to make their heads explode.

    Feb 18, 2014 at 7:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.1   Tard

      ‘Beating’ a retarded child.

      I’m turning this auto-correct shit OFF.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 7:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.2   kermit

      This sounds like that story line from Frasier when Niles got a greyhound to get over his ex-wife, Maris.

      If you didn’t want people to question you about it, you wouldn’t have gotten an expensive dog. You seem to relish riling people about it, so I’m not sure what your question is. That’s what those dogs are for. (You can’t seriously tell us that the love and temperament of a pure-bred is “superior” to that of a regular dog from the pound.)

      Feb 18, 2014 at 11:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.3   Kupo

      From everything I’ve seen you post, you seem to really hate the people here in the Seattle area, so I’m inclined to agree with kermit. You want to be able to piss people off about your purebred.

      Feb 18, 2014 at 1:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.4   Tard

      That was a whippet, and portrayed as a nervous, flighty weenie dog, the exact opposite of actual Whippets.
      They aren’t faddish, so unlike Rotweilers and other such dogs destroyed by amateur breeding, their blood lines are pure. Hence, they are super healthy and long-lived, besides being clean and quiet.

      Interestingly, I never said any of the things of which you accuse. Passive agressive much?

      Feb 18, 2014 at 2:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.5   Poltergeist

      This is America and you do have the right to use your own hard-earned money to get whatever breed of dog you want. Pursuit of happiness and all that. Also, just because a dog comes from a breeder doesn’t mean that dog is any less deserving of a good home; however, you have to admit that it is a little sad that even though there are already so many stray animals/animals in shelters/animals who are euthanized, there are still people out there breeding even more of them, and the reason they keep breeding them is because people keep buying them. While there is obviously a huge difference between puppy mills and responsible breeders regarding how they treat their animals, they both end up contributing to a vicious cycle that results in tons of unwanted animals.

      As for neutering, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t get it done unless you specifically planned on breeding the dog. It’s a pretty routine, low risk procedure at this point, and it eliminates the possibility of your dog producing even more puppies on the off chance he gets loose and comes across a lady dog. It’s the responsible thing to do, and it can also come with other benefits such as reducing aggression, territorial tendencies like urine marking, and humping. Believe me, your dog won’t miss his balls.

      Feb 19, 2014 at 1:43 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.6   kermit

      Oh joy, this going to turn into the dog version of the indoor/outdoor cat debate, isn’t it?

      Feb 19, 2014 at 6:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.7   The Elf


      Feb 19, 2014 at 7:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.8   kermit

      For what it’s worth, I don’t have a problem with people who get pure-breds from breeders and chose not to fix them. I get that some people want to make money off their dog and enjoy the whole dog show circuit.

      I do take exception to people who just don’t admit that and claim baloney about choosing a pure-bred because they’re “very clean and quiet, extremely athletic yet happy to snuggle”. Any dog that hasn’t been abused has those qualities.

      You don’t need a pure-bred unless you have a specific job that you want the dog to do (e.g. helper dogs, rescue dogs, money-making show dogs).

      Feb 19, 2014 at 7:56 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.9   Dolly

      For some people shelter dogs just don’t work. We tried the whole adopting a stray. My mother adopted a stray that was hanging around a friend’s house. Took it in, spent tons of money at the vet getting it all up to code-shots, spay, deflea, dewormed, etc.

      The dog just never worked out. She had a terrible chewing habit that we could not break her of no matter how hard we tried. She must have been abused by men before because she was scared of men and never got over it so my Stepfather never could bond with her. She kept trying to run away and finally succeeded and never came back and we never could find her.

      My mom was so upset. So this time we just can’t chance that again. We are going with a puppy from a breeder so we can know what we are getting with size, temperment, fur type (we want the kind that don’t shed much). We want to train the puppy from birth so it does not establish bad habits like running away constantly and chewing. And this way it will bond with everyone and have no pre-established issues with men, children, etc.

      We are getting it from a nice breeder that is not a puppy mill. The point being shelter dogs are not for everyone. Some people are picky in what kind of dogs work for them and so you need to know exactly what you are getting and shelter dogs come with no guarantees. I have seen plenty of dogs who were huge, whose owners were assured by the shelter it was not a large dog when they got the dog. You just can’t know.

      Feb 22, 2014 at 11:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

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