Are you beer-ing impaired?

February 19th, 2015 · 85 comments

Spotted by our submitter at his local pub in Australia. (The wheelchair-accessible toilet is about 5 feet closer to the bar.)

Lazy isn't a handicap

related: Going to New Orleans for Mardi Gras? 

FILED UNDER: Australia · bar · bathroom · drizzunk


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  • #1   Jetboy

    That’s just a touch offensive.

    Feb 19, 2015 at 8:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   The Elf

      Can’t you just see the owner or employee who put up the sign accosting someone who is disabled but doesn’t have an obvious indicator such as a cane and giving them the riot act for being “lazy”?

      Feb 20, 2015 at 7:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.2   Christinc

      “No obvious indicators” might come into play for a parking space, but the purpose of a handicapped stall is to provide extra space for the apparatus. If you don’t have an obvious indicator, then you can probably fit in a regular stall.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 8:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.3   The Elf

      Fit, yes, but someone with weak legs or back issues but not so much that a cane or crutch or chair is required might find the grab bars and increased height of the seat very useful.

      Point is, there’s a lot of “invisible” disabilities out there and what any individual might need to accomodate their disability is going to vary. Getting confrontational about it just makes it more likely that someone will call a handicapped person lazy.

      At least with a parking space there is an obvious indicator – the permit tag or plate.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 10:22 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.4   mutzali

      I recently had abdominal surgery. For about a month afterward, I could walk fairly well, (so no cane) but standing up and sitting down were incredibly painful maneuvers. I had no “obvious indicator” and I didn’t need extra room. I used the handicapped stalls, because I needed the bars to sit down without screaming.

      That said, I often find there can be a line of 5 or more women waiting for one of two “regular” stalls while the handicap stall goes unused. I’ll ask the ladies in front of me if they’re going to use the handicap stall, and if not, I use it.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 1:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.5   JoDa

      Yep. I have a form of sciatica, and when it flares, I need some additional leverage to sit down and stand back up. Most of the time, I also limp/shuffle when it flares, but not always. Of course, I’m no shrinking violet, especially after tying one on, so I’d just tell them about my condition in excruciating detail interspersed with cursing and ask if they are going to come help me off the regular stool…

      Also, I stand by “the handicapped stall is only ‘reserved’ for people actively in line to use the restroom. If no disabled people are in line, the next up should use it. If a disabled person enters the line, they should use it next.” I’ve also had some disabled people tell others to go ahead and use it, they’ll wait their turn. One woman was pretty funny, joking about how uncomfortable it was for her to sit in her wheelchair and wait her turn while we all stood in a looooooong airport restroom line when people offered to let her ahead to use the handicapped stall. There were a bajillion delayed flights that day, and she was also going on about how waiting in that line was going to be the highlight of her 5 – no wait, 6 – no wait, eternal wait for her flight to actually take off.

      Sure, if a regular is empty and you don’t need the space/bars/higher seat, move your lazy behind 2 more feet. Otherwise…see above.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 6:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.6   JoDa

      ^Dear Abby supports the “next in line unless a disabled person is in line” rule. :)

      Feb 20, 2015 at 6:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.7   JoDa

      One, thought, girl, get it together!

      One of the highlights of that woman insisting to wait her turn were the people who joined the line after her, not having heard her original statement that she’d wait her turn. So much delicious PA, and she took it and RAN with it with the funnies.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 7:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.8   L

      Invisible disabilities are as valid as visible ones.

      Feb 21, 2015 at 9:56 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.9   Chinchillazilla

      Yes, I also have an invisible disability and I increasingly find that I really need those handlebars. Anyone who yelled at me for using a handicap stall would… well, they probably wouldn’t be sorry, but I would go home and cry.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 12:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.10   kermit

      That’s awful, Chinch.

      Stories like yours are why I think everyone should (temporarily) live in a “mean” metropolitan city like NYC, so that you get used to telling people off without feeling bad about it.

      “Up yours, meatbag!” (and all of its variations) always comes in handy in situations like this.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 10:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.11   pooham

      I’m like Chinchilla. I don’t handle confrontations well. Even if I’m mad (not sad/hurt) my voice will come out sounding like I’m about to cry.

      And it seems like more and more often people are ok about tearing into others, even about minutia. So little self-control and so much self-entitlement.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 11:05 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.12   pooham

      Or maybe I’m just getting old.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 11:05 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.13   Tesselara

      I’m hearing impaired (I wear hearing aids in both ears–big’uns). I’ve had impatient/cranky people say, “are you deaf?” when I have trouble hearing them. One of the greatest joys of my life is the look on their face when I turn my head slightly, indicate my ear, and say, “I do have trouble hearing, yes.”
      I straddle the line of the invisible/visible disability; it is difficult to see my hearing aids, but I can point them out when someone kicks up rude. I have taught a rather large number of people an important lesson about the dangers of assuming that they can be an ass.

      Feb 24, 2015 at 10:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.14   GojuSuzi

      This is relevant: http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/20/womans-open-letter-to-person-who-tutted-at-her-for-using-disabled-toilet-sends-a-powerful-message-5071868/

      Judging someone “not disabled enough” without knowing their entire story is just as bad as looking down on someone for being “too disabled”. And no one should have to defend their poop!

      Feb 24, 2015 at 4:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.15   JoDa

      While I sympathize with those who are non-confrontational, you don’t have to be a jerk to clearly state your need for something. And when it’s obvious and someone *else* stands up for you, let them.

      I was on the Metro (subway) one time when a guy got on with a cast from his ankle to above his knee, on crutches. Despite being young, that’s no state to ride standing, and since I was in the easiest seat for him to use (not a disabled/senior seat, but the one with lots of leg room), I got up to let him sit down. SOME DIRTY B (mid-20′s, younger than me!) JUMPED INTO THAT SEAT AS I WAS WAVING FOR HIM TO SIT DOWN. I turned around and dressed her down, but she almost got the seat when he demurred from the confrontation. Fortunately, a little old lady went over to her and told her to get up (which she did, I assume she thought the older lady wanted the seat), and then turned around and told the gentleman on crutches to sit. “We don’t want to pick you up off the floor when this train jerks…just offer your seat to someone who looks tired once you heal up.” She told him. Some people have balls of brass (both the little B and the older lady :)).

      Mar 11, 2015 at 5:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #1.16   JoDa

      I also have to note that the “mean” cities have their own form of politeness – er, maybe “civility” is the better way to put it. Like, here in DC, you DO NOT stand on the left side of the escalator (this is mostly for Metro, but applies at pretty much so any escalator in practice). People will ask/tell you to move over if you do so (I always say “can you please stand on the right?” I’m nice about it), but, really, doing so is polite. You still get to stand and ride, but others can pass if they want.

      The jerkiness is a function of dealing with people who don’t or won’t consider others when taking whatever action it is they’re taking. It comes across as harsh, but, really, it’s the person/people blocking up the whole escalator or blocking people from getting on/off the train or meandering down the sidewalk slooooooooooowly taking up the whole thing or not leaving room for others to go the opposite direction who are being selfish. I was on a PACKED train a while ago, with many people getting off at a major transfer station. This obvious out-of-towner got “stuck” in the doorway and was apologizing as people tried to squeeze by her. I told her point blank “don’t say you’re sorry, step out of the door, and then re-board once everyone is off.” She blinked at me a few times, and then stepped right outside the door, unleashing the backlogged flow of people getting off. I said “see, much better” as I walked away. Once she realized (was informed) she had an alternative that was better for the gander, and took it, there was no vitriol. It’s an extreme form of a social contract, but necessary for people to operate smoothly in crowded conditions.

      Mar 11, 2015 at 8:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #2   Lita bang

    Hah. I like this one, honestly.

    Feb 19, 2015 at 9:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   TKD

      I’d like it more if it had some clip-art and glitter.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 6:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #2.2   DaveS

      And comic sans. Where’s the comic-sans?

      Feb 20, 2015 at 1:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #3   zz

    Where is it written you can’t use a toilet that is simply labeled as handicap ACCESSIBLE? It isn’t a parking space. If it is vacant it is fair game

    Feb 19, 2015 at 11:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   The Elf

      It’s more an etiquette breach than anything else, really. As long as there are no lines – at either bathroom – it really doesn’t matter. The worst thing that will happen is that somone disabled has to wait a moment for the stall to be freed. But the minute that there’s a line, like with a crowded bar…..

      Feb 20, 2015 at 7:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.2   buni

      But sometimes a disabled person literally can’t wait. If there’s no line, there’s no reason for an able-bodied person to use the handicapped stall. And some people would argue that even if there is a line, the handicapped stall should be left free just in case someone who needs it comes in with an emergency.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 8:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.3   Lil'

      The note writer said ‘lazy”, but what does lazy have to do with it? Inconsiderate? Maybe. Depends. I have three small children, including one-year-old twins and usually in public restrooms that’s where the changing table is. If the restroom is empty, I head straight into the big stall with my double stroller. And if it’s not empty, I wait my turn to use that stall. It’s handicapped accessible, not handicapped only. I will give my spot to an obviously disabled person and wait a little longer, but what am I expected to do…change my kids on the floor because someone with a wheelchair might come in before I’m done. Also, I’m not going to leave my small kids unattended while I go into a small stall even if they don’t need a diaper. I’m not lazy. If I were, I would never leave the house with two 1-year-olds in tow.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 10:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.4   The Elf

      Hell, sometimes *I* can’t wait and I’m able-bodied! It is in a bar that serves beer, after all.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 10:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.5   Belaani

      Correct! When sidewalks were configured to be wheelchair accessible, it didn’t mean all others had to start walking in the street!

      Feb 20, 2015 at 10:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.6   The Beast Among Us

      I sure hope that pub in Australia didn’t install a diaper changing table in the handicapped accessible stall.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 12:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.7   The Elf

      Momma needs a happy hour too. Probably more than the rest of us.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 3:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.8   The Beast Among Us

      I absolutely agree, but she shouldn’t have to cart her diaper-wearing children with her. Else why even go to the bar if not to get away from the rug rats?

      Feb 20, 2015 at 4:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.9   pooham

      Yes, a happy hour without the kiddos! :)

      Feb 20, 2015 at 4:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.10   Lil'

      Listen, Beast, I don’t go telling you how to live your life. Hey, if my kids are gonna drink, I’d much rather them drink with me. I’m not a regular mom. I’m a cool mom.

      Feb 21, 2015 at 9:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.11   Kaye

      I’m an architect, and handicap bathrooms are about accessibility, NOT exclusivity. Based on building type we’re required to include a certain number of bathroom stalls, and a certain number of those stalls are required to be accessible. But those accessible stalls are INCLUDED in the total number required — i.e. they’re for ANYONE to use. TL/DR? Summary: You can totally use a handicapped bathroom even if you’re not.

      Feb 21, 2015 at 11:48 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.12   Raichu

      It’s fair game if it’s the only one left. Otherwise it’s rude to take it when a person who can’t use the normal stall/room might need it.

      I suspect this note was up as the result of everyone using the handicapped stall, nobody using the other one, and probably a disabled person or two complaining because it was hard for them to get to the bathroom when they needed it.

      Feb 21, 2015 at 2:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.13   rushgirl2112

      “But sometimes a disabled person literally can’t wait . . . even if there is a line, the handicapped stall should be left free just in case someone who needs it comes in with an emergency.”

      You DO realize that people without disabilities have bathroom emergencies as well, right? Why should we have to risk urinating/defecating/vomiting on ourselves on the off-chance that a disabled person might come in and need it just as urgently?

      Feb 22, 2015 at 5:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.14   buni

      You left out the “Some people would argue…” I didn’t say that was my opinion. I think I read it in Dear Abby.
      And based on your argument, wouldn’t you feel better if there was one stall left open for emergencies, so you could bypass the line if necessary? Of course, I don’t expect that to actually happen, but if I were in line and it was my turn and the only stall open was the accessible one, I would use it unless there was someone with a walker or wheelchair waiting as well. In that case, I’d let them go ahead and I’d wait for the next one.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 8:51 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.15   kermit

      Exactly, buni. If someone really has to go, do you really want them relieving themselves when they’re waiting in line with you? Probably not.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 10:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.16   rushgirl2112

      “You left out the “Some people would argue…” I didn’t say that was my opinion.”

      Fair enough.

      “And based on your argument, wouldn’t you feel better if there was one stall left open for emergencies, so you could bypass the line if necessary? ”

      No. Because by leaving a stall empty, wait times are increased for everyone, sometimes significantly. Especially in bathrooms that have a small number of stalls, like one or two regular and one handicapped.

      I think what we need to do is accept that if we’re using a public restroom, we are going to need to wait our turn based on where we entered the line. Otherwise, what are we to do? Triage people at the door?

      Of course, I would happily allow anyone to go in front of me who expressed an urgent need. But that would be a kindness, not a strict obligation. Those stalls are not meant for emergencies. They’re meant to give people who need the extra space the ability to go.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 3:47 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.17   The Beast Among Us

      In the US, bringing a child to a bar and letting him/her drink alcohol is a one way ticket to jail for you and CPS for the child. Do other countries allow underage drinking in bars with adult supervision? Serious question.

      Feb 24, 2015 at 1:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.18   Lil'

      OK, Beast. I thought we were kidding. Clearly I was wrong. Rest assured, I don’t drink and I don’t let my one-year-old twins or 6-year-old drink. I’ve never visited a pub or a bar in my life, with or without my children. I was speaking of public restrooms in general and I was referencing the “cool mom” line from the movie “Mean Girls”. Wow…

      Feb 24, 2015 at 2:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.19   The Elf

      “Rest assured, I don’t drink and I don’t let my one-year-old twins or 6-year-old drink.”

      …. in public. ‘Cause nothing shuts up baby like a pacifier dipped in bourbon.

      Feb 24, 2015 at 2:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.20   Lil'

      Whoa, Elf!! Are you trying to get me arrested??!!

      Feb 24, 2015 at 2:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.21   L

      Okay, I am feeling like cruuuuuud right now so don’t judge me, but can pub in Australia also mean restaurant at all? Like there’s a place here, one side is restaurant, one side is lounge, both share a bathroom. Then the other place has “family dining” on one floor/the bar on the other. Not sure how the bathrooms work there.

      Just curious.

      Feb 24, 2015 at 3:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.22   The Beast Among Us

      I was originally kidding about the babies in the bar, but my curiosity was piqued about the issue. As L pointed out, there are different names, designations, and rules about certain things in different countries. I would honestly like to know if it is frowned upon elsewhere as much as it is here.

      Still, though, if mom needs a break, she probably needs to be away from the kids for a bit, no matter where that “away” spot is. That’s my point.

      By the way, research has shown that teens that are allowed to drink at home under parental supervision are less likely to become alcoholics or drunks later in life.

      Feb 24, 2015 at 6:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.23   Reboot

      Minors are allowed in *some* pubs in Australia, if they’re accompanied by an adult. Those pubs are the ones that have a kitchen attached and have pretty substantial meals on offer, so they’re seen as usually pretty reasonably-priced family dining for families whose adult members also like a decent beer, that sort of thing.

      Feb 25, 2015 at 11:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.24   L

      In which case, the changing table could very well be in the accessible bathroom.

      Also another child issue – different gendered parents and children. Some people find that uncomfortable both for the child/parent and for the other users of the bathroom.

      Feb 26, 2015 at 2:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #3.25   JoDa

      The different gendered thing deserves some discussion. I get moms brining wee boys into the ladies room. Up to about 6, I think that’s fine. After that, it starts to get uncomfortable. I was at a baseball game last year and this boy who couldn’t have been a day under 10 was using the ladies’ room. He washed his hands and then went and stood by the exit to wait for his mom to finish up. At that age, and in those circumstances, she should have sent him into the men’s room and waited right outside the exit for him. It would have been no different than him using his own stall and then waiting by the door in the ladies’ room, except far less uncomfortable for the women who kept looking at him like “is he lost?” Your pre-teen isn’t going to be molested in a crowded bathroom, or wander off if you’re standing right by the door!

      Mar 11, 2015 at 5:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #4   Roto13

    What’s the official stance on crippling mental handicaps?

    Feb 19, 2015 at 11:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   TKD

      I believe it is still frowned upon. Momma always told me I should not hurt the handicapped kids. Even those who are mentally handicapped.

      You should be ashamed for even thinking about crippling the mentally handicapped.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 6:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #5   TRT

    Appropriate? Yeah, ‘course it was appropriate. I’m pissed and it’s five feet closer to the bar.

    Feb 20, 2015 at 3:27 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

     
  • #6   Pants Go Brown

    I have a wide stance so I use the handicapped crapper because there is more space. So the sign can suck it essentially.

    Feb 20, 2015 at 9:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   DaveS

      Larry Craig???

      Feb 20, 2015 at 2:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #7   Belaani

    It certainly was for my former son-in-law!

    Feb 20, 2015 at 10:43 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

     
  • #8   Kacky

    I often travel with my severely disabled adult son. More often than not, we are stuck waiting in a crowded foyer waiting for some diva, or druggie, or OCD suffer has to do their 40-minute bahroom ritual WHICH DOESN’T HELP ANYWAY, and then finally to get in only to discover that they hovered, leaving the whole toilet covered in urine for the next person to clean up. I might make a sign like this and leave it around.

    Feb 20, 2015 at 11:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   Kacky

      Sorry about my grammar. I type badly when I’m ranting, and the edit function isn’t working.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 11:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.2   Belaani

      We’ve all been there. Sometimes I swear there’s somebody in there knocking off a chapter or two of War and Peace.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 1:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #8.3   The Elf

      Yeah, part of me just wants to shout out “If it isn’t happening now, pull your pants up and try again later!”

      Feb 20, 2015 at 7:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #9   Poltergeist

    If the other stalls are taken, I will use the handicap stall. I’m not going to shit my pants on the off chance that a handicapped person will show up in the five minutes I’m in there. If a handicapped person does show up, I’d gladly let them use the stall before me because I’m a nice person (this hasn’t ever happened to me yet though), but let’s get real here – just because somebody is handicapped doesn’t mean they have more of a right to relieve themselves than other people. The majority of handicapped people can and have been able to hold it in when necessary just like the rest of us.

    Feb 20, 2015 at 12:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   Lita bang

      Yeah, this is pretty much how I roll with it, and I’m ~considered~ handicapped. (Not badly. Doesn’t show. Just…sometimes I really need those damn grab bars.)

      Feb 20, 2015 at 2:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.2   Sunny girl

      And that is where you are wrong. My mother has spinal cord damage and is paraplegic. The controls for the bladder muscles are lower down the spine than those for the leg muscles. So, most times if you have no leg function you have little ability to control your bladder when it is full and you have very little warning. So when you need to go you generally cannot wait, would you prefer that she wets herself while waiting for you just because there wasn’t a disabled person actually in the restroom with you?

      Feb 20, 2015 at 5:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.3   The Elf

      If her bladder control is that poor, she should probably consider using poise pads or something. I have sympathy for her, but that doesn’t mean that there should be a line building for the other stalls while the handicapped one sits empty just in case.

      Feb 20, 2015 at 7:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.4   JoDa

      I’m glad you said it before I did, Elf. My mom, though not handicapped (just elderly) has bladder control issues, so she puts on some protection before going out to a public place where she may not be able to get to/into a toilet immediately. As I said above, when there’s a line, a disabled person coming into the restroom is “next up” to use the handicapped stall, which should, at the outside, mean a wait of 5 minutes. While I sympathize with people who may not be able to predict when they need that stall, it’s presumptuous to assume that it will just be free. What if another disabled person is using it? Should they “hurry up” to accommodate?

      Feb 21, 2015 at 3:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.5   VM

      My mother in the last ten years of her life was handicapped AND had to take diuretics. Never once in all the time I wheeled her around as she valiantly strove to keep the dam from breaking did I hear her grouse how dare a non-handicapped person occupy the handicapped stall. And this was a woman who’d bitch endlessly about people parking their cars in front of her house…when there was almost no curbside parking possible in the neighborhood save the short street she lived on…and she didn’t even drive.

      Feb 21, 2015 at 9:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.6   Raichu

      This is pretty reasonable. I’m guessing though that the sign originated because everyone was using the handicapped stall when there were other perfectly good stalls available.

      Feb 21, 2015 at 2:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.7   Poltergeist

      Sunny girl – I feel for your situation. I really do. My own grandmother was incontinent the last couple of years she was alive, but don’t you think it is a bit presumptuous to expect an entire bathroom stall go unused 90% of the time just in case your mother shows up? Non-handicapped people do have bathroom emergencies as well. If the other stalls were taken, would you seriously prefer it if they risked turning the hallway into a makeshift toilet instead of using the unoccupied stall?

      Feb 21, 2015 at 7:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.8   rushgirl2112

      “So, most times if you have no leg function you have little ability to control your bladder when it is full and you have very little warning.”

      First of all, I am very sorry to hear about your mother.

      But I do want to point out that when I was pregnant, I very often had no warning either when the baby kicked me in the bladder. Pregnancy is not a disability, but I had just as much right as anyone else to use unoccupied bathroom facilities when I urgently needed them.

      Feb 22, 2015 at 6:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #9.9   L

      Pregnancy, food poisoning, the flu, period cramps, bathroom emergencies can happen for any number of reason.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 8:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #10   weiwei

    i think it’s one thing to use the disabled stall in a regular restroom that also has 3 or 4 stalls, and another to not be willing to walk 3 feet to the ‘normal’ restroom with 3 or 4 stalls so as to use the disabled-only stall just because it’s closer or something.

    In a normal bathroom I will use the disabled stall if there are none available. It is pretty unreasonable to expect folks to urinate themselves when no disabled person is clearly around. But to go into the separate disabled bathroom when other options are available, well, it makes sense then that people would get upset at that and write some note

    Feb 21, 2015 at 2:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   Poltergeist

      While I get what you’re saying, the truth is we don’t know exactly what went on in this situation. It’s entirely possible that the person who used the handicap bathroom only did so because all the stalls in the regular bathroom were occupied. There are plenty of places where there are only 1 or 2 stalls in a bathroom. I try to avoid letting myself get to the point where I feel like I’m going to explode, but if somebody is at that point, would you rather them do it in the handicapped bathroom or on the floor?

      Feb 21, 2015 at 7:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #11   assiveProgressive

    Lazy isnt a handicap … reminds me of when we went to the state fair and there was a large parking lot for people with handicap placards. This idiot driving badly practically hit us as we were walking, and I said I wondered if his disability was blindness …
    I am going to guess that the employee who stocks the toilet paper and cleans the toilets put up this sign, tired of lazy drunks trashing the bathroom while the other one goes unused.

    Feb 22, 2015 at 12:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

     
  • #12   Kacky

    I thought we were talking about the separate bathroom, not the stall

    Feb 22, 2015 at 3:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.1   Dina

      In Australia, the accessible toilets are more often a separate bathroom and not a larger stall, as in the US. So, I believe you are correct.

      Mar 4, 2015 at 11:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #13   Bitchy The Dwarf

    seeing as how it says to use the appropriate “bathroom” and not “stall”, I’m gonna assume this is a separate room altogether. In that case, I’d only go in there if I was desperate and all of the other typical stalls were occupied.

    If this were a separate stall in a single bathroom, then that toilet’s fair game if the others are in use. If a handicapped person comes in during that time they can wait like we ALL have to sometimes.

    Feb 22, 2015 at 7:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #13.1   L

      You know what another issue here is that this sign doesn’t address? Single bathrooms like this without stalls are often safer for trans people, who may be attacked violently if they appear to use the “wrong” bathroom.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 8:05 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.2   The Elf

      Good point, L.

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    • #13.3   Tesselara

      And sometimes those regular stalls have doors that open in a way that requires you to be 6″ wide to get into the stall. I can get in them, but every time I encounter one of those stalls, I find myself wondering what a person with more weight would do? Probably use the handicapped stall. At least they’d be able to get in the door.

      Feb 24, 2015 at 10:51 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #13.4   GojuSuzi

      OMG @Tesselara I’ve had those stalls, and still remember the time where I was crushing myself against the TP holder and could not close the door because there wasn’t enough clearance because I have boobs. -.-
      I had to weigh up the likelihood of me dying by trying to climb onto the lidless toilet whilst a touch merry, versus the option of peeing in the half-lit unisex toilet of a dingy dive with the door open and me a tiny drunk gal all alone…and opted to pop into the disabled stall. I have no idea how even a regular man could get in that place!

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  • #14   Kasaba

    Nothing to do with PA note, but who are the people who take the stall right next to you, when you’re in a bathroom with 20 other open stalls.

    This tends to happen most often at the local cinema (which probably has 25+ stalls) and at the airport. If you are one of these people, explain why.

    Feb 23, 2015 at 11:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   rushgirl2112

      Probably the same people who drive half a car length behind you on the interstate when there’s an open lane they could use to pass. I have no idea why.

      Feb 23, 2015 at 3:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.2   SilentPsycho

      Kasaba, I’ve done that before. Why? Because I don’t care about who is where, I just want to go to the loo.

      Feb 24, 2015 at 6:09 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.3   pooham

      Maybe the first two or three they went past were dirty and the first clean enough one they came across was the one right next to you?

      Feb 24, 2015 at 8:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.4   GojuSuzi

      I do it to freak people out, mostly. It’s like sitting next to someone on a bus when all the other seats are empty, they immediately assume you’re a psycho. Possibly I am, because that polite and silent terror is hilarious to me. :)

      Feb 24, 2015 at 5:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
    • #14.5   Kasaba

      I figured it’s the same people who do this on the train too. Who, in an empty carriage take the seat opposite you, or worse next to you. Spread out ffs.

      Feb 25, 2015 at 1:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

       
     
  • #15   Jaylemieux

    If there are no handicapped people using the restroom, then that real estate needs to sit empty!

    Mar 15, 2015 at 9:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

     
  • #16   bestie guesty

    A toilet stall is not a parking space. Just because a WC door for a toilet states is is handicap ACCESSIBLE doesn’t mean it is exclusive to the handicap like a parking space. Apples and oranges.

    Mar 23, 2015 at 1:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

     
  • #17   SkippyMom

    I have Rheumatoid Arthritis [as well as CHF] some days I walk unaided, others with my cane and still others I get the princess wheelchair out.

    I use the handicap stall due my disability for the biggest reason being it is incredibly difficult and very painful to lower myself with out the aid of the grab bars on all the walls of handicap stalls.

    Yes, they are also to accommodate wheelchairs [or apparatus as you call them] but even if I could go back to my good health – waiting on a bathroom isn’t the end of the world. Able bodied people do it all the time and I have no problem with it.

    Mar 26, 2015 at 5:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

     

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