Tantamount to storage

August 3rd, 2007 · 123 comments

I’m just gonna let Ben from D.C. set this one up:

Last October, I moved from one apartment to another on fairly short notice. The kid I found on Craigslist to take my spot really wanted to move in a few days early, which was incredibly inconvenient for me. However, I agreed, so I spent most of Halloween weekend moving my stuff out. The one thing I couldn’t move was my futon, because it wouldn’t fit on top of my car. I figured he’d give me a little leeway though, since I’d done him a favor, and I came back to pick it up November 10. A week later I came home to find this amazing passive-aggressive e-mail from him:

I have a concern about the removal of your futon.

FILED UNDER: a little uptight · Craigslist · D.C. · e-mail · money · moving/not moving · spelling and grammar police

123 responses so far ↓

  • #1   Katie

    I really hope he doesn’t pay the $76. What an ass.

    Aug 2, 2007 at 7:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #2   Daniela

    The kid had no legal right to charge him anything. If he had an issue with the futon being there, he should have asked Ben to move it on the 29th. You can’t charge someone for ‘storage’ space without there being an agreement between the two parties, and especially not after the fact.

    I sincerely hope you didn’t pay, Ben. Though it would have been nice to give the kid a token of your appreciation for storing the futon for so long (i.e. a small box of chocolates, etc…).

    Aug 2, 2007 at 8:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #3   jfruh

    Admittedly the e-mail drips with passive aggression, and charging him $76 is a dick move. That said, did Ben not, you know, ask if he could leave his futon there? I think it would have been reasonable to say “Look, you’re really putting me out by moving in early, so do me a favor and let me leave this futon here until I can get a truck to move it”, but it seems like the new tenant never got that memo and might have thought that Ben just abandonned it. I’m on Team Everybody Should Communicate Their Desires Clearly, is what I’m saying.

    I think I would have just put the futon out at the curb around day six. Or been really passive aggressive and told Ben that I had been having tons of sex on it, sans sheets, when he came to pick it up.

    Aug 2, 2007 at 8:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #4   yay

    I like how this site is turning into the People’s Internet Court.

    Aug 2, 2007 at 9:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #5   Daniela

    >>I think I would have just put the futon out at the curb around day six. Or been really passive aggressive and told Ben that I had been having tons of sex on it, sans sheets, when he came to pick it up.

    Aug 2, 2007 at 9:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #6   Daniela

    Aw, the rest of my post disappeared!

    jfruh’s idea is perfect. ;)

    Aug 2, 2007 at 9:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #7   Ceryniti

    He should have just left it with the guy. No responce, no money. After a certain amount of time of something being left in an apartment, isn’t it considered abandoned? In which case, nothing can be charged.

    But why not just take the thing and use it?

    Aug 2, 2007 at 9:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #8   agirlie


    Aug 2, 2007 at 9:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #9   m

    this comment only makes sense if there was a real communication between ben and the new tenant…

    the kid moved in earlier than expected… was it 10 days earlier? if he moved in the same amount of time earlier as the time the futon was in his room, then he wasn’t put out by having it there.

    Aug 2, 2007 at 10:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #10   [email protected]

    I’d say Ben is the PA one here – he’s obviously put out by the fact that this guy moved in early, but then ‘figured’ he’d cut him some slack without asking.

    It’s a matter of simple common sense; if you want a near-stranger to do you a favour (even if you think you’re entitled to it), ask them politely, don’t just assume it won’t be a problem. Particularly where you’re failing to follow through with something you’ve undertaken to do!

    Aside from the demand for cash, the kid’s email seems a pretty reasonable reaction to me; I’d have been sorely tempted to donate the futon to a charity by about day five. And it’s a little hypocritical to criticise the medium since Ben’s communication (or lack thereof) was the catalyst for the whole situation in the first place.

    Thereby, I find in favour of team-anonymous-kid-who-moved-in-three-days-early and sentence Ben to five minutes of ironic embarrassment for publicly making a tool of himself.

    Aug 2, 2007 at 10:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #11   ian

    A bed is such a personal thing to me that to leave it in the hands of a stranger for only a few days would creep me out. I’d never be able to sleep comfortably on it again.

    Aug 2, 2007 at 11:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #12   MattFM

    What a jackass! If he wants to be anal about the details, send him 76 Monopoly Dollars, since he didn’t specify which type of dollar he wanted.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 12:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #13   Steve

    I’ll bet this guy’s lunch money got stolen many, many times in grammar school.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 12:15 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #14   Ben

    Wow. Talk about having a stick up your arse.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 12:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #15   skdjf

    shove the $76 up his ass

    Aug 3, 2007 at 3:22 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #16   hk

    Tantamount? Delineate? I think I would charge HIM for all the five dollar words he used. Looks like someone got a new thesaurus! What a nerd!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 4:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #17   Susan

    I’m with MattFM – send the little weenie $76.00 in Monopoly money!!

    **Notice there is NO mention of a “team” in this post. (My own P.A. moment here – ah, I love Fridays!)

    Aug 3, 2007 at 5:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #18   Dustin Sullivan

    This kid should have called Ben on Monday the 30th and told him to get his freaking futon out of his room or he was going to stick it out on the curb.

    This e-mail is just ridiculous.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 5:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #19   Penelope

    I love to help other people, and I will keep doing it because I was helped by total strangers in quite a few occasions.

    But sometimes the ingratitude one receives is directly proportional to the favour delivered.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 5:43 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #20   Steve

    Given the OTT billing structure going on here (eg, comparing storage rate of a bit of the room to a rented cube somewhere), I wonder if Ben should just send back an invoice for the time spent out of his day to read that email, which could have been otherwise used earning money. $76 perhaps?

    Aug 3, 2007 at 5:50 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #21   Max Roswell

    This is douchery of the highest order. I hope Ben sent the kid a nice, juicy “fat chance” email.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 5:53 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #22   Goldie

    The kid’s rent started on November 1, right? Charge him for October 28 through 31 (feel free to subtract the $76, of course). Use the cheapest hotel rate in the Washington, DC area to calculate how much he owes you. You may want to charge him double for the holiday.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #23   Heather

    Tantamount? Delineate? Equitable?

    This may be the best vocabulary we’ve seen yet from a passive-agressive note-leaver.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #24   Allie

    I don’t think this is passive. He’s asking for money! This is outright aggressive. And what a jackass! He should have called or emailed him and asked when he’d be able to get the damn thing out and have accepted that because he was pushing him to leave early that it wouldn’t be a perfect move.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #25   Jessica

    “Team Everybody Should Communicate Their Desires Clearly” – ha! That’s funny! Never going to happen.

    Yeah, email dude got his ass seriously kicked, many times, in school – that much is obvious. Total mama’s boy dork.

    Ben, if you didn’t, you should have asked if you could leave it there for a few days.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:18 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #26   Sara

    Team Futon! He should have left it there longer!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #27   ginger

    man alive, what a fuckwit. he could just as easily have emailed way before asking when he was picking up the damn thing.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #28   PatHMV

    “I feel that you took advantage of me.” The kid’s obviously been in therapy; he’s learned the “proper” way to communicate, using “I” messages and not “you” messages. See, he’s not being P-A, because by using an “I” message, he’s “taking responsibility for his feelings,” not accusing the futon-leaver of causing him to feel a certain way.

    Anyway, I’ve got $10 (real, not monopoly!) on the e-mailer being a law student, about to start law school, or at least planning to go to law school as soon as he gets out of college.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:46 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #28.1   As a law student

      . . . we resemble that.

      May 4, 2008 at 8:22 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #29   mahkrowave

    Yeah all those big words but the imbecile still doesn’t know the past tense of “to pay”.

    If I move in somewhere, and there is any furniture there that I don’t like, I move it out. Out into the common room, out into the hallway, out into the basement, or out into the curb. Unless you have a specific agreement with me about the furniture, it’s mine to do with what I please.

    I certainly wouldn’t sit there for a week and stare at the futon and get all verklempt about it.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #30   Julie

    I’d be pretty mad if I moved into an apartment that still had someone else’s stuff in it. Ben should have asked if it was alright to leave the futon there until he could make arrangements to pick it up.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #31   the sos

    Yeah, for real. It’s just a fucking futon, for christ’s sake. Move that shit into the hall, call the guy and let him know he “forgot” it, and depending on what he says go from there. If he asks to leave it for a week, fine. Seven days later if it’s still there put it out front for some dumpster diver to take (it grosses me out to think that someone would take a bed off of the side of the road but there are those people out there).

    The more I think about it, the more I find myself giggling about the asshat who thinks he’s gonna get 76 smackers for futon storage…what a maroon.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 6:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #32   Brigid Keely

    When we moved into the last place we moved into, the previous tennant left behind a dresser, the glass top to a table or desk, and a king sized iron bed frame. He said he’d be back for them “in a few days.” After tripping over them for a month we moved them down into the basement. Dressers, sheets of glass, and iron bed frames are heavy.

    Unless the new lease was supposed to start on November 11th or something, it’s pretty jackassy of the poster to just leave his large, heavy crap lying around someone’s living area.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 7:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #33   Dave

    Actually, depending on the law in that state, the furniture probably wouldn’t be considered abandoned until thirty-sixty days. I had a situation where a roomie moved out and my attorney friend said that I had to wait before disposing of property the roomie left behind – even though he had bailed owing me rent money.

    Had the douche put the futon on the curb without contacting Ben, he may have been liable. On the other hand, I think a judge would laugh this right out of court either way.

    Ben should send the Monopoly money, IMO.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 7:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #34   Katy


    Ain’t THAT the truth. I once introduced a friend with a good singing voice to a minor music producer, who offered her a contract.

    Almost a year later, she put out no music whatsoever, her producer is pissed at her, and she treated me like shit for sassing her in the days after I and another friend found out that a story she publicly posted about being sexually assaulted was completely false.

    I don’t get no respect!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 7:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #35   Nowai

    Holy cow!! What a jerk-off.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 7:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #36   landshark

    So the new tenant lived in the apartment for two days rent free, before his lease kicked in on the first…and now he acts like he’s doing Ben a favor by not charging pro-rated rent for futon storage?

    What a douche.

    Team Ben!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 7:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #37   PatHMV

    What’s really going on is the new tenant wants to keep the futon. He lived there for 10 days, got used to it, and didn’t want to give it back. He figured if he was enough of an asshat, Ben would decide that the futon wasn’t worth the hassle, and would just never come by to get it.

    Ben, now that you’ve got us all worked up, and seeing as how this happened 8 or 9 months ago, why not go ahead and tell us what happened after you got the e-mail.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 7:20 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #38   PatHMV

    By the way, where’s everybody getting the idea that the guy got a few days in the apartment rent-free. Ben never said that he didn’t charge the guy a pro-rated amount for that early 3 days at the end of October. Maybe the guy got offended by Ben’s demand for that, and was doing the bit with the futon as pay-back.

    Also, Ben, did the guy say anything about money when you actually picked up the futon on Nov. 10?

    Aug 3, 2007 at 7:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #39   Sazai

    That guy needs to chill out. It’s called renting an apartment. Stuff like this happens, especially if you get your apartment through Craigslist. Especially if you insist on moving in sooner than posted.

    Haaa, when I moved into my new apartment, I inherited a $2000 leather chair. A 3-foot square(!) chair for a 200 square foot apartment! It’s huge. But it’s super comfortable and they must have crane lifted it into my apartment during renovations to make it less-obviously a tenement building. The damn thing literally won’t fit through the door, let alone the 18-inch wide stairwell. I think that’s a bit more obnoxious than living with a futon for less than 2-weeks. And yet, I’m not crying, I ‘m not making unreasonable demands from the guy who lived here before me, or bitching to my landlord, or super.

    Get OVER yourself.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #40   Goldie

    #37, totally. The whole email could be replaced by “dude, where’d my futon go?”
    When we moved into our house, the previous owner left tons of stuff behind. Some of it his friend stopped by and picked up a few days after we got the keys. Some of it we’re still using, a lot of it we took to Goodwill or put out on the curb. I don’t remember being too upset about his things sitting around, though. The man gave us a good deal on a very decent house, we all felt he deserved to be given some leeway. In fact we waited like six months for him to come back and get his stuff before we started getting rid of it. Unless the futon took up all living space, it’s really no big deal IMO. That said, Ben should have definitely warned the guy the day he moved out.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #41   Veronica

    This kid really seems way too uptight about the situation, although I can understand his frusteration. It would irritate me too, if someone just LEFT things in my room after telling me that everything would be out by that weekend. I might even just assume that it had been abandoned and get rid of it myself.
    All Ben needed to was say, “Look, I won’t have a truck to move my futon until November, 10th. And since I’m feeling a little put-out because you wanted to move early, will it be alright for me to just leave the futon until next week when I can pick it up?” Chances are, the kid wouldn’t have minded at all. Most people are pretty understanding if you just let them know what’s going on. When things just DON’T HAPPEN when they are supposed to, with NO communication, that’s when people get all pissy and send passive-aggressive e-mails.

    With that said, this kid did go overboard, charging him “storage” is just silly. A phone call or e-mail after day 3 or 4, saying “Hey, come get your crap out of my room” would have been enough, if he’d just called/e-mailed to see what was going on after a couple of days, Ben probably would have explained the situation.

    It’s amazing what a little communication can do, huh?

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #42   Dennis

    If you read the details in the email, you will see that those first few days in that room were rent free, “November 10, 12 days after you assured me everything would be gone and 1o days after I started paying for the room.”

    Ben: Bill him rent for the extra days and deduct his $76 ‘storage fee’… but you should have communicated to him you’d need extra time to get the futon.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #43   will

    Dear New Tennant,

    Please use the futon to go fuck yourself on.



    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #44   Ginevra

    >PatHMV, the emailer says that the futon was picked up on Nov. 10, ten days after he started paying for the room. So it seems he didn’t pay a prorated amount for the three or four days in October.

    So basically Ben not only already paid the rent for the days at the end of October that New Guy was living there, but also went to some trouble to accommodate New Guy’s move-in schedule. I think the futon could have been tolerated a bit more graciously, even if a heads-up from Ben about the later futon pickup would have been nice.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #45   PatHMV

    Thanks, Dennis. I missed that even after several re-reads. In that case, your solution is spot on. Ben should have sent him a return e-mail assessing a 2-day rental fee for the room.

    The futon-hater is guilty of accepting Ben’s generosity in not charging rent for the 2 days, or anything extra for the hassle of moving out earlier than the advertised date, and then not extending the same generosity in return.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #46   Darby

    I would have gone to this guys house and beat him to death if I got an email like that from him. What a faggot!!!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #47   Elaine

    Uh…I wouldn’t go that far, Darby.

    The new tenant committed the number one crime of the passive-aggressive: went on too long on some sort of existential kick. The storage rate assessment was ridiculous enough, but the fact that he felt the need to riff on Ben’s violation of his “boundaries” and how he was taken advantage of is just beyond the pale. I am guessing he relished writing this e-mail simply in order to assert his personhood and really hash out his futon concern. This is a ridiculous, ridiculous person. Word to the guy who said he’s a future (bad) lawyer.
    (Disclaimer: I am friends with Ben. Go Ben!)

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #48   Zsa

    Verklempt~ love it! Now how am I going to insert that into a conversation at work today??

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #49   T-Bone

    I agree that someone needs to go over there and kick this kid in the ass for being such a pompous little turd.

    Interesting the kid’s in D.C.- probably pursuing some kind of political career. Super.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #50   Erica

    A simple “My generosity has expired, your futon is going to the alley,” would have sufficed.

    Future politicians and/or lawyers of America scare me for this very reason.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #51   ijRoberts

    Hey Elaine! If you know Ben, tell him to check back with us and give us the rest of the story!

    And come on, Darby, keep your bigotry in check, man.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 9:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #52   Writer, Rejected

    Wow, he got estimates from 4 storage places. I call that anal passive-aggression (APA), but I must agree with Max that this is deuchery of the highest order. Any normal person would have put the futon in the living room and decorated the room around it, then not answered the door when Ben came to get it. The end.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 9:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #53   PatHMV

    Erica… that’s the bizarre thing. He sent this e-mail AFTER Ben had actually picked up the futon.

    And yes, Elaine, please would you or Ben gives us the rest of the story?

    Aug 3, 2007 at 9:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #54   Maggie

    Uh, tell him no………

    Aug 3, 2007 at 9:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #55   Judy

    I dunno.. If Ben had said from the get-go that he was having trouble with the futon, or that it would take 10 days to get it out, maybe the guy wouldn’t have been so wrapped around the axle.

    But he promised repeatedly that he’d take it away, and the guy couldn’t leave it out on the curb (because Ben was going to come get it… soon… or kinda soon…. or tomorrow… or maybe in a week or so) so he’s stuck with this damn futon wondering when the hell it’s going to be gone.

    Conclusion: they’re both annoying and bad at communicating.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 9:43 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #56   Joanna

    He was “taken advantage of?”
    What, did the futon get a bit too touchy-feely?

    Aug 3, 2007 at 10:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #57   Andy

    My guess is that the young guy is either a law student or just graduated pre-law. Either way, he seems to take himself a bit too seriously.

    I say, take him to court, The People’s Court. What do you think, Rusty?

    Aug 3, 2007 at 10:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #58   Talea

    Are you fucking kidding me? Like, seriously? This is totally the kid that got wedgied every day in school for pullling shit like that.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 10:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #59   Carol

    Just goes to show ya. Give someone an inch and they take a mile.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 10:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #60   Potbelly

    Moving out early for someone else’s convenience is a big deal. The rebuttal should simply have been to send a bill for the early days at a hotel rate, then subtract the $76 and demand payment of the remainder, which would be more no matter how you slice it, as the guy didn’t just need a place to sleep he needed a place for all his stuff too.

    Personally, I would have called the futon guy when the thing began pissing me off and said I was putting it on the curb. Or I would have just set it up in the living area for use until he got around to collecting it.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 10:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #61   Andy

    This is a great definition of passive/aggressive: He passively allows the futon to stay in his apartment, not getting in contact with the owner, then waiting until said futon is gone, then sending out that dreck. Yecch.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 10:56 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #62   BoggyWoggy

    The line, “delineate my boundaries and react reasonably,” in itself is reason enough for smacking this jerk on the side of the head in complete aggressive fashion.
    I hate him and I’ve never even met him!
    This is the sort of think a sibling would do to another sibling…classic!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 11:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #63   super_fan#99

    My favorite part of this site has become the comments. The notes are totally secondary to me now. Team yay for pointing out how we’ve become the people’s court in post #4. The notes without the comments are nowhere near as funny.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 11:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #64   will

    @Joanna – best comment of the day.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 11:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #65   Ben (the submitter)

    Hey, not bad for a Friday morning.

    As a prologue to this whole situation, I would mention that when I moved into said apartment, there was a ratty ikea mattress and box spring left in the room, which I simply moved downstairs and forgot about until the past tenant took care of it. After this I must have assumed that people from craigslist would be well-versed in the art of Dealing With Shit, and I was wrong to do so. Those who called me out on failing to communicate are absolutely right. I blew it on that. I had included a paragraph in my original post admitting my mutual guilt and explaining the situation a bit more, but it looks like the admin docked in for brevity’s sake, so my story may come off looking more self-righteous as a result. However, I think the way this e-mail was written trumps all past transgressions.

    Erica- your “futon to the curb” e-mail would have been appropriate, and had I received it I might have found a way to pick up the futon sooner!

    To clear up the timeline: J__ moved in (sans pro-rated rent) Oct 29. His lease started Nov. 1. On Nov 1st, I sent an e-mail apologizing and promising to pick up the futon that evening, but I was unable to. I picked up the futon Nov. 10, and received the above e-mail Nov 16, not having heard anything from him in the meantime.

    Epilogue: The real rub of the situation was that I was still waiting for J__ to pay me back my $700 deposit, so my hands were totally tied as far as the “storage fee” goes. He could have withheld anything he wanted to. However, after a follow-up call and further negotiation and waiting, I got my deposit back. I guess all he wanted was an apology.

    To conclude, in a sad turn of a events, “Team Everybody Should Communicate their Desires Clearly” clearly lost.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 11:25 am   rating: 91  small thumbs up

  • #66   GhostWriter

    (errrrchkkkkkk!!!) sound of can of worms opening…

    (a) Was J___ at the apartment when Ben snuck in and kidnapped his own futon?

    (b) When did the issue of the Security Deposit switcheroo come up?

    (c) Can any other rooommates weigh in on whether or not J___ loved the idea of a free futon?

    Inquiring minds want to know!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 11:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #67   Sassy

    $266.00/10 = $26.60 per day

    2 days x $26.60 = $53.20
    Rush moving fee = $20.00
    Convenience fee = $5.00

    Total = $78.20
    Less $76.00 = $2.20

    Keep the change.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 11:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #68   Amanda

    I thought I’d put my 2 cents in as well. At the time of the incident, I was Ben’s girlfriend. While I agree that Ben should have probably communicated more, the new guy was a total dick about things. It was INCREDIBLY inconvenient for Ben to move out early, especially since this was one of our few weekends together, and we spent the entire weekend moving instead of having fun. Also, Ben had to go into work that Sunday, so I was left alone with J__. He confronted me and basically went off on me about how there was still stuff leftover in the apartment, but he never once communicated that with Ben.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 11:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #69   Mishee

    Well Amanda that sheds new light on the subject, apparently J___ is such a pussy that he couldn’t stand up to your man, but he felt right in bitching to you about things… Did you happen to mention this to Ben after that Sunday after he got home from work? I just know if some GUY from CL had gone off on me about my man’s stuff, my man would not only be the first to know, but the guy would’ve gotten an earful of choice words for talking to ME about something like that when he should’ve been a MAN and said things to my man’s face instead of whining like a little girl to me!! Do I make sense? :)

    Aug 3, 2007 at 12:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #70   Erica

    Uh…anybody weirded out by the fact that the ex-girlfriend commented on this post?

    Aug 3, 2007 at 12:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #71   Mishee

    Erica has a point… Amanda – are you and Ben still friends on a regular basis or did he like, call or text you out the blue with a plea to backup his story on PAN.com?? Inquiring minds want to know!!!!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 12:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #72   Robin

    This guy was clearly a world class ass hat.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 12:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #73   thatguy

    You can’t charge someone money without an agreement. Had he grown a pair and called the futon owner on monday and said, “either move it now or I sell it on craigslist,” the problem would have been solved. Plus he gets the money he thinks he deserves.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 12:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #74   Mel

    Wow. The anger. The inconvenience. The hilarity.

    Now this is some gooooood P/A!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 1:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #75   Elaine

    a) I dont remember.
    b) the deposit switcheroo was pretty standard, as we were all sublettors. a subsequent tenant of that bedroom would pay the previous tenant’s share of the deposit back and thus assume responsibility for that share of the original deposit.
    c) Your guess is as good as mine.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 1:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #76   Bob Loblaw

    After the third or fourth day, I would have started nutting on it once a day.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 1:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #77   ijRoberts

    I think this post proves that people who submit articles to this website should stick around and be available for comments! I love getting the back story!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 1:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #78   Elizabeth

    This is turning into quite the saga…

    Team Free Futons Should Be Taken Advantage Of

    Aug 3, 2007 at 1:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #79   Arianna

    What I’m loving is how personal this thread has gotten – we have follow up from Ben, Ben’s RL friend, and Ben’s ex-girlfriend.

    Extra People’s Court points to this thread!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 1:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #80   Mishee

    Judge Milian would’ve had a field day with this issue!

    Bailiff! Bring me the paperwork!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 1:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #81   Kayra

    Tentamount to storage huh? This one of the lamest (and most laughable) P/A e-mails and I’ve ever seen (and my mom’s the queen of the P/A email..I’ll see if I still have one of them to post here…) lol did J__really think he would see one read cent of Ben’s money after he made Ben go through the trouble of moving out early in the first place?

    Aug 3, 2007 at 1:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #82   BoggyWoggy

    I like Bob Loblaw. “Nutting on it.” Now that’s funny!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 2:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #83   Ben (the submitter)

    As if this couldn’t get any more personal:
    As a special bonus, I just wanted to append the response my mom sent me when I first forwarded it to her:

    Ben, this guy sounds like a real jackass. My advice is to take what he is going to pay you, minus the “storage fee”, and move on. It isn’t worth wasting your emotional energies on this turd. I don’t know what career he is planning on but suspect it will be something that requires a inflated sense of self-importance and complete lack of consideration for other people. You are a fine young man and we are very proud of you!!

    (Obviously, my mom is cool)

    Aug 3, 2007 at 2:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #83.1   ArchivistJudy

      Hooray! You have an awesome mom.

      Jul 23, 2008 at 12:33 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #84   joebec

    two words… FUCKING ASSHOLE!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 2:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #85   stephanie

    Dude, why did you take 10 whole days to pick up your futon? Or even tell the guy that he’d have to be stepping over your futon for almost two weeks? That’s a long time. Even if moving out a few days earlier was inconvenient, you agreed to it.

    However, that guy’s note and $76 deal was really silly.

    Also, #4, you cracked me up. I love the People’s Internet Court!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 2:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #86   Mishee

    Wow, so now we have Elaine, Amanda, Ben, AND Ben’s mom’s opinions and takes on the situation. I guess this is why I keep checking in for new comments every so often, even tho I should actually be working!! LOL! Ben – your mom is right… choose your battles! It’s not worth being an ass about it and wasting your time when you could be hanging out with Elaine or wooing Amanda instead!

    Or you could just wait until the cloak of darkness one night and egg the dude’s car!!!!

    Aug 3, 2007 at 3:01 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #87   Amanda

    No, Ben did not tell me to write a post. I stumbled upon this because Ben had the link in his gchat away message. After reading all the comments, I couldn’t stay out of it. Erica, I don’t think it’s all that weird to respond to this. I’d like to think that people can be mature after a breakup and still stay in some contact, even if it’s only in the form of reading blogs and occassionally sending emails or chatting online. Since we’re getting personal, I guess I should also add that I live in north carolina and had driven 4.5 hours to hang out that weekend, only to spend the entire weekend moving to help J__ out. And yes, Mishee, I did tell Ben about the confrontation and we both agreed that J__ was a huge pussy.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 3:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #88   Horkin Chunks

    If I’m Ben – I pick up the futon and leave a mattress i found in the garbage
    If I’m new guy – I probably did something v/nasty all over the futon.

    Now that I think of it, if I’m ben I probably don’t want the futon any more…

    Aug 3, 2007 at 5:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #89   Nickelking

    >>But sometimes the ingratitude one receives is directly proportional to the favour delivered.

    That’s been my experience as well, but I just don’t learn.

    My favorite was my friend who I let live in one of the spare rooms for a while rent free. she got upset I wouldn’t let her boyfriend live there without paying a share of the bills.

    When she moved out she took all the remote controls.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 5:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #90   Landshark

    I had a roommate once who took everything she thought *might* be hers when she moved out…including both copies of a DVD box set that we both owned, and my favorite coffee mugs.

    On a more related note, my dad was once the resident manager of an apartment building, and he redecorated his whole place with furniture and decor people left behind when they moved.


    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #91   MM

    Ditto Goldie!

    J- is a complete jackass. charge him for the first 3 days.

    Aug 3, 2007 at 8:54 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #92   wry exchange

    I wanna hear from Ben’s ex-roommates about the joys of living with J_. Did he whine about the futon for 10 days? Does he leave them long notes about kitchen duties?

    Aug 4, 2007 at 8:43 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #93   Emily

    Personally, i’m on “team ben” wtf? If the guy who took over his room was SOO put out by it, he should have communicated that way earlier. And yah, Ben already did him a favor by moving out early. I’d understand being upset if it were a month or something. but 10 days? give me a break.

    Aug 4, 2007 at 9:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #94   team cassandra

    i almost swore, just now!

    look – we can do math too.

    If $266 is one third of a month’s rent the the month’s rent is $798. If we divide that by 30 days we come up with $26.60 per day which adds to $79.80 for 3 days (the numbers of days early you allowed him to move in) and now HE OWES YOU $3.80…

    If you like – I’d gladly invoice him for you:)

    Aug 4, 2007 at 10:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #95   Leslye

    That’s crap! I live in the DC area. I have a LARGE storage area and am only paying $102/month, and that had just gone up in July, with the insurance.

    What a jerk. He should get over himself. Ben had every right to leave the futon until he could pick it up, since he was being put out.

    Aug 4, 2007 at 7:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #96   dfgdfg

    this looks more like a regualr email sent, not really a note or anything.

    Aug 4, 2007 at 8:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #97   Writer, Rejected

    I’m kind of sick of both Ben and Amanda, and Ben’s mother.

    Aug 4, 2007 at 9:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #98   Ella

    I’m kind of sick of this whole ordeal. Team: New note, please?

    Aug 4, 2007 at 11:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #99   ldkfj

    amanda … you are so important!
    ben … keep mommy out of it. yo isnt my mommy cool peeps?

    as for the note writer … biggest tool of all. why does it not surprise me you are all in this together.

    i agree with poster above … amanda shut up
    and ben – bug off … you are famous now .. for being a douche

    Aug 4, 2007 at 11:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #100   loren

    Wow, a few of you need the sticks surgically removed from your asses!

    10 days of having a futon in your room – whoopdyfriggindo. Ben made concessions, so can dipwad. Big picture? Not worth getting J’s little girl panties in a bunch.

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #101   Will

    Abandonment varies by state…

    But anyway, Ben was kind, and ended up being taken advantage by this douche who couldn’t return a favor in kind.

    Ben, just remember, you know where he lives.

    Aug 5, 2007 at 1:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #102   Bruce

    Hey, I’m Ben’s Dad.

    Now, Ben’s right in saying that his mom is cool, very cool in fact, so just watch what you’re saying about her or I’ll come round your place and dump furniture in your house too. We’re very proud of Ben, and Amanda and Elaine, and as for that little f*cker J___, well, let’s just say that $76 buys you a nice pair of concrete booties.

    Now perhaps we can all move on?

    Aug 5, 2007 at 4:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #103   BoggyWoggy

    Okay, Bruce…nice try. You aren’t Ben’s dad, but you definitely have a good sense of humor! Thanks for making us all laugh…and for not being part of the inbred crowd that’s commenting here…

    Aug 5, 2007 at 5:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #104   Neither Side

    Just can’t help but notice that both these
    people had reasonable thoughts about the situation- but just didn’t communicate them clearly and soon enough. It should be apparent to the party who feels he has been so maligned (hence the need to post here) that he didn’t have a clear agreement in place so of course Ben responded, however grumpily.

    Aug 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #105   Strepsi

    @Darby: don’t call someone a faggot like it’s a negative thing. That there’s hate speech, like the “n” word, and has no place here.

    (sorry for the P-A aside, but comment forms are PA) ;)

    1) The kid is a sociopath

    2) Ben is a real slacker communicator who in the end had the grace to admit it.

    3) Amanda thinks spending the weekend with her is more important than securing Shelter. No wonder she’s the “ex”….

    Aug 6, 2007 at 3:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #106   Bruce

    4) Bruce is an awesome legend who raised Ben up to be a good kid

    5) Ben’s mom is cool. And HOT.

    Aug 6, 2007 at 4:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #107   Angie

    Why are we being mean to Amanda now? She’s just shedding light on it in response to people asking for more details… I don’t get it.

    Aug 6, 2007 at 5:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #108   BoggyWoggy

    No one is being “mean” to Amanda. This is a frickin’ blog, Angie. Amanda can choose to feel picked on, but, in reality, no one can see/hear/taste/smell/touch anyone else. Therefore, when the 5 senses are gone, all that is left is, well, blogging. I kind of like “getting into it” with other bloggers from time-to-time, don’t you. Writing a comment is a choice that one must make, knowing thatyour typed words are analyzed by thousands of readers who may or may not want to zap you for being a complete idiot. From my standpoint, it’s worth the risk, since, in reality, no one gets hurt! Now, if I were to actually meet Amanda, we’d have absolutely nothing to talk about. But, blasting her for admitting she is Ben’s ex-girlfriend? What other choice did we have??? Think about it? She could have just written that she “knows Ben,” rather than setting it up to seem that she was a truly valuable insider, right? Well, she’s not. She is just an ex.

    Aug 6, 2007 at 7:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #109   Amelie

    If Ben pays him I hope he pays in pennies. Canadian pennies.

    Aug 6, 2007 at 11:47 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #110   Matty

    Wow. That guy’s a real cunt.

    Aug 7, 2007 at 3:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #111   David

    It’s your own fault.

    Aug 10, 2007 at 4:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #112   Anon

    I hate pushy apartment mates though. I was helping to move my girlfriend out of her apartment, and her roommate, who was, before this, her best friend, started putting all her belongings from closets and cupboards into bags a full 3 weeks before moving out. They just made a huge pile of stuff for us to move starting 3 weeks ahead of time. While we were tackling the pile, his she-devil (who, I suspect, orchestrated the whole thing, because this isn’t like him) kept telling us of more things in the house that we should move out. Literally 3 weeks until the time we have to vacate, and she had a frigging list.

    They also tried to put stuff that wasn’t ours but they didn’t want in the piles of crap in hopes we would dispose of it.

    In spite, we took the coffee table. My girlfriend had bought and paid for that table, and we were going to leave it behind as a gift of sorts (along with a lot of other furniture they wanted), but we were so pissed we took it with us. That night, her ex-roommate called up and asked “What are you going to do with the table? Because we went to Ikea and we didn’t find one we liked, we’d like to have that one”. Again, something he never would have done without she-devil.

    Tough shit when you’re pushy and demanding, and sacrifice a friendship for kicking her out early in favor of moving in your she-devil and her cronies.

    Aug 13, 2007 at 8:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #113   guidomann

    That kid, (Not Ben) MUST be a lawyer.

    Aug 21, 2007 at 8:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #114   Tom W

    I would of showed up to his door and beat the shit out of him! Then fucke dup his car and fucked his girlfriend (hey wait, this anus has no girlfriend!)

    Aug 27, 2007 at 2:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #115   Mike

    Re: #4

    It would be HILARIOUS to have Judge Judy post celeb comments about these things. hahaha

    Aug 30, 2007 at 11:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #116   lisa

    You’re all mental.

    Sep 22, 2007 at 11:18 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #117   Alex

    I hope this is how he responded:

    Dear XXXXX,

    Fuck you.


    Jan 31, 2008 at 5:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #118   bobby

    I would have asked Ben about it, if he left it in my room. Or I would have moved it out of the room. He is mad that Ben actually eventually got it out of there. Isn’t that what he wanted?

    Jul 15, 2008 at 1:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #119   Tom

    See, I don’t think this is a passive aggressive email at all. In fact, it’s quite direct, and plainly stated.

    The passive aggressive part comes in during the 10 day wait in which nothing about the futon was communicated. This guy should have been just as direct about his desire for Ben to remove his crap up front as he was after ten days.

    Jul 29, 2008 at 8:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #120   Melissa

    Geez. If this guy is on the cross about a piece of furniture being left in his room for ten days, I’d hate to be his girlfriend/boyfriend – or worse, his kid.

    Jul 30, 2008 at 11:53 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #121   dick

    Hahaha, beautiful command of the English language.

    This is my favourite, I can imagine the veins popping out of his forehead as he wrote it.


    Jul 17, 2009 at 3:09 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up


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