The cat came back…this time.

March 15th, 2010 · 151 comments

“This note magically appeared one day in our letter box late last year from an obviously unhappy neighbour,” says Anthony in Melbourne, Australia. “To this day we still don’t know the cat-hater, the cat owner, or the cat.”

To the person that placed this tag on my cat:  For some reason you have chosen to place this tag on my cat instead of calling the phone number attached to his collar.  I would like to discuss this matter in a civilized manner and would appreciate if you contact me on the number below.

related: Don’t feed the cat (or the trolls)

FILED UNDER: cats · kinda creepy · Melbourne · neighbors · rebuttals

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  • #1   Denny


    Mar 15, 2010 at 7:59 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #2   QuarterRoy00 bang

    I would appreciate getting contacted on the number 69!!!

    Can I get a hi-5?


    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   Ed


      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #3   farcical aquatic ceremony

    yikes. i’m pretty sure discussing anything with the cat-tagger in a “civilised manner” is out of the question…

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   park rose bang

      Agreed. The cat-tagger probably owns greyhounds.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:15 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.2   Samantha

      park rose: Why do you assume greyhounds? The most cat-unfriendly dog on my block is the mastiff three doors down. My two greyhounds just want to pick the loose cats up and carry them home (and no, I’m not mistaking an attack). I’d just figure they either own dogs of any breed or have lots of bird feeders and like to backyard birdwatch.

      I’d probably tag the cat because I’d be worried about my dogs picking up fleas or worms from it, not so much for its safety. I’d also say that it wouldn’t be coming home next time because I’d be planning on trapping it and taking it to Animal Control.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 10:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.3   Clumber

      Samantha, I suspect Rose was referring in jest and personally, I was quite impressed she didn’t choose a bully breed. ☺ I have lived with retired racer greyhounds, as well as other sighthounds, and factually – some have very heightened prey drive instincts when it comes to cats or other smaller critters. That said though, so does our boy Clumber. However, had Rose chosen to tap out “The cat-tagger probably owns Clumbers” it would have made no sense whatsoever to 99.999% of anyone reading it. And then I would take offense since the other 4 Clumbers in our household adore cats….

      Poor Rose, can’t win.

      Unless… “The cat-tagger probably owns wolverines”

      Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.4   park rose bang

      Samantha, it was just urban legend our way that the people who raced greyhounds used cats as practice bait. It’s a bit like the chow mein urban legend later on in the thread. That’s all . . . and Clumber is pretty much my heroine pretty much all of the time, because she’s always nice ♥

      The guy behind us raced greyhounds and pigeons. I think the pigeons caused more trouble by shitting on our washing. I much prefer greyhounds. Very elegant looking dog. When being walked, they have to wear muzzles in Australia, though. I’m not sure of the laws elsewhere.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.5   anglophile bang

      Clumber, your post is highly offensive to me, as I am a big Hugh Jackman fan, and I strongly resent any implication that he would harm or possibly eat a cat.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.6   TheOldSchool


      Let’s say Hugh was trapped in a coal mine for 23 days* with only drinking water, an oven and a cat.

      God damn it, Glo! Get real! You know what’s going to happen. Don’t pretend otherwise.

      That said, I, too, am a huge ackman fan.

      * That’s approximately: one fortnight, plus one week, plus 24 hours, plus 1,440 minutes.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 3:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.7   claw71 bang

      Would anybody else like to see the X-Men movies recast with Hugh Grant as Wolverine?

      Sadly, in real life it would appear that Hugh Grant tienes mas machismo.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.8   Mo

      Pretty sure that it is a marmot.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.9   anglophile bang

      I’m pretty sure Hugh Laurie could kick ass as Wolverine.

      TOS, your use of the Britishism “fortnight” has made me strangely attracted to you. But I believe Hugh would be able to make his way out of the mine, due to his nimble stage dancing abilities, and he would also rescue the cat. The oven is clearly a red herring, because we all know the extension cord wouldn’t be long enough.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.10   Jeff

      Samantha, I hope someone captures your dogs and calls animal control one day. Just sayin’.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 5:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.11   infant tyrone bang

      Maybe that oven’s powered by cold fusion or better yet, coal fusion.

      Either way, y’all are digging deep down into the Schrodinger cat box.

      Finally, if the oven is a red herring, the cat’s gonna get it.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 6:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.12   April

      Im pretty sure the cat-tagger is one of those people who thinks cats are dirty, filthy, germ ridden creatures. (well so is everything else, if you think about it.)

      Mar 15, 2010 at 6:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.13   TheOldSchool

      Thank you, Glo.

      What you’ve done for me could be considered as the rough equivalent of inserting a vibrating butt plug far up my rectum — only in this case, it went into my mind and electrocharged my hypothalamus!!!!!


      The High Concept: “Lord of the Flies” meets “Lord of the Dance.”

      Hugh Jackman and Michael Flatly are two coal miners. That’s it so far.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 1:56 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.14   TheOldSchool

      A message from under-the-earth to Glo: “Do you read me? You were wrong about the oven. It does exist. (Although you were correct about the cord not being long enough. It wasn’t. We tried. ) But now, at TOS’s suggestion, we’re installing a solar-powered oven down at the base of his shaft. TOS was right. Repeat. TOS was right.”


      Sadly, this screenplay predictament isn’t as easy to solve.

      In any film script, there has to be a major conflict or obstacle (ideally: life or death) that the main characters are forced to struggle against and eventually overcome.

      Therein lies the crux of my problem with this screenplay — since the film revolves around coal miners, I can’t imagine anything that could possibly go wrong in a coal mine that would compel these two characters (Hugh and Mike) into a dance-off-style fight for their lives.

      I’ll have to put on an extra pair of thinking caps for this one.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 3:22 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.15   H for Toy bang

      Would that make the cat’s name Timothy?

      Mar 17, 2010 at 1:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #4   Gunderson

    What a Pussy!

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #5   jaywalke

    I’m Team Birds on this one. Keep your cat at home.

    My hound thinks your cat was delicious.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   farcical aquatic ceremony

      I’m on Team Birds too–if they managed to tag this cat I def wanna get on their good side… (plus, they gave the human 2 chances, so they’re fair as well as super-smart)

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.2   park rose bang

      Damn irresponsible, shiftless, layabout long-hairs.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:33 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.3   laurie

      The birds must have tagged the cat to track its migration habits.

      For survival, they need to know when to avoid visiting the garbage bin, sandbox, and windowsill.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.4   jaywalke

      African or European?

      Mar 15, 2010 at 10:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.5   Clumber

      Laden or unladen?

      In this crowd, almost certainly laid.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 11:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.6   sleeps

      Look, it’s not a question of where he grips it, it’s about weight ratio! A five ounce bird could not carry a 10 pound cat!

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.7   pony girl

      5.2 was brilliant and deserves WAY more thumbs!

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.8   Mo

      okay well two then maybe, working together.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.9   infant tyrone bang

      Paging Corporal Shiva…
      Please report to Feedback Dispensary Four…

      Mar 15, 2010 at 6:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #6   park rose bang

    Sheesh, kids these days and their spray paint. Living or dead, in motion or immotion [sic], nothing is free from the threat of the dreaded graphity. If the owners call the local council, they might clean the hapless moggy up for a small fee, or send someone around on work-release to do it.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   anglophile bang

      Look, it’s a valid form of self-expression. Consider it public art.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:22 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.2   park rose bang

      Poetry in motion. Civilised people always want to stifle the artistic impulse of the truly creative.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.3   Canthz_B bang

      Short poem, Bob…do women call you “succinct” very often?

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.4   Woman on the Verge bang

      Bob, this is NOT Chatroulette.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:36 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.5   POETRY

      My public art has been stifled! My creative expression censored! God, what a prudish, draconian society!


      Mar 16, 2010 at 9:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.6   park rose bang

      See 6.2, POETRY. Sad but true (oh, I missed your post before it got culled, but someone described it to me. I thought it was funny in context, or the gist of it, anyway).

      Mar 16, 2010 at 10:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #7   claw71 bang

    Anthony lets his cat wander outside
    he doesn’t like to clean up the cat shit
    His neighbor is a psycho with a feline complex
    who will kill a cat in a minute

    If he sees it again he’ll break it’s back ack ack ack
    You oughta know by now
    He’ll make your cat into a hacky sack
    And think it’s hysterically funny

    The next time that cat gets outside
    its guts will be all cut out
    Good luck, with your neighbor–he’s
    a freaking out.

    Oh, He’s freaking Out!

    You can never argue with a crazy mind mind mind
    You can post a note but it’s a waste of time
    Your neighbor might think that it’s funny.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   claw71 bang

      For the record, I know that the cat isn’t Anthony’s but the song wouldn’t work otherwise.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.2   Clumber


      Mar 15, 2010 at 11:33 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #8   laurie

    Did this unhappy neighbor mistake the cat for a dog?

    Cats don’t generally get lost, and often live partially outside unsupervised.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   claw71 bang

      My cat doesn’t wander very far, but she has claimed the porches of both my neighbors’ houses as her own. Neither of my neighbors mind. I’m surprised that the neighbors to the west don’t take umbrage, however, as they have two inside cats that apparently hide under the coach and yowl when my cat is on their porch. The neighbors find this hysterical because all my cat does is sit on the porch and stare at the street. Apparently she oozes an unsettling degree of smug feline coolness.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.2   Mel K

      Cats tend to eat tuneful native birds in Melbourne (and elsewhere) and there is always a debate about allowing cats outside at night. in most places, cats have a curfew.

      People would like them more if they ate pigeons, but apparently even cats have standards.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.3   ArfArf

      Why do I find it hard to believe that Claw has a cat?

      Mar 16, 2010 at 7:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #9   sunny


    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   Woman on the Verge bang

      I hate you.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.2   sunny

      i probably hate you too.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.3   molly ringwald bang

      ha! for some reason, this exchange just made me laugh loudly to myself. i am sure you are both very lovable.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:54 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.4   sunny

      i’m really not. but thanks for the vote of confidence.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 10:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.5   molly ringwald bang

      really? how disappointing. with a name like sunny i thought you were full of rainbows and gum-drop smiles. however, i never have been a good judge of character.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 10:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.6   Woman on the Verge bang

      I’m incredibly lovable.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 10:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.7   claw71 bang

      How many times have I told you, Woman? Love does not equal sex. Sometimes a train is just a train, no matter how many times you pull it.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 10:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.8   Woman on the Verge bang

      But, claw, that’s not what you said last night…

      Mar 15, 2010 at 11:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.9   sunny

      well, i am pretty fabulous. i just don’t know if lovable is the right word.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 1:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #10   Peasant

    If you don’t want the cat around, the appropriate response is to teach the *cat* – probably with your garden hose. Teaching the human slav^H^H^H^H owner will accomplish nothing.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   jaywalke

      Rubber bullets fired from a slingshot work, too. Better range and accuracy than a hose.

      Cut the head off a fake fishing worm to get a nice soft round.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:44 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #11   Max Time bang

    thats what happens when you have Garfield as your cat

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #12   Canthz_B bang

    Just what what was pussy caught doing.

    Come on guys, keep your pussies “well informed”, lest their curiosity get the better of them and they get tagged by a stranger.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.1   sleeps

      Clearly, Melbourne suffers from a lack of exposure to Prince songs; otherwise, they would be properly educated with regard to pussy control.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 1:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #13   Geek Kittie

    I would never let one of my cats roam around outside unsupervised. There are too many hazards. Plus we’re in Wisconsin where torturing animals seems to be a past time for some people. Creeps.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:44 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #14   farcical aquatic ceremony

    i like that the Mr. or Ms. Crazy used the word “caught”…was the cat “caught” tryin’ on Crazy family undies? tossing cherry bombs into the trashcan? or, as I suspect, did Crazy McCrazyton, Master Hunter (delusions of Hemingway?), ‘catch’ the vile and wily beast as it attempted to sweetly snuggle against his leg?

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:45 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #15   Canthz_B bang

    Domesticated cats don’t belong outside unattended.
    Domesticated means they should be within the confines of your domicile, not running free in the neighborhood.

    If I catch him, I’ll cook him and eat him with sweet potatoes!

    Mar 15, 2010 at 8:53 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   splint chesthair

      i think cat tastes fishy

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.2   Woman on the Verge bang

      Sort of like domesticated men… They should not be allowed to run free in the neighborhood.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.3   Canthz_B bang

      Really, they taste like chicken to me. Are you using enough soy sauce in your stir-fry?

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:18 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.4   park rose bang

      Not unless they’re neutered, anyway, and even then.

      I guess domesticated horses take up a lot of space in your average home. Must be hell when you both want to use the toilet at the same time. It would always hoof it with panache, elan and flair. Particularly if it’s one of those Andalusian dancing horses. You’d never win.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.5   sleeps

      Panache, Elan and Flair? I’d love to meet them! You’ve got a regular dancing troupe going on, haven’t you Park Rose? Those three, plus you and the horse. I bet you throw a great dinner party!

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.6   park rose bang

      You know what, sleeps? When the Spanish dancing horses are a little light in the loafers, or a little happy in the horseshoe it’s not even such a hassle to share the bathroom (though not at the same time). Panache, Elan and Flair’s good friends, Puck, Bottom and Yorick can always be counted on to brighten things up as well. Yorick is thick-skulled, so he serves as a talking point when conversation inevitably grows dull, before the wine is freely flowing, while we’re all waiting for the horses doovers.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #16   splint chesthair

    I moved to an area that had a bunch of feral outdoor cats, I trap them and get them fixed. I also put food out for the cats and a few of them occasionally come inside. There’s a neighbor that complains about my cats coming onto his property. I tell him to feel free to shoot them if he wants. It’s either don’t do anything and let the cats breed out of control, or get yelled at my neighbors who now consider them my cats. Damned if you do, or don’t.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 9:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   John

      Talk about mixed messages. Don’t ever have kids!

      Mar 22, 2010 at 2:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #17   Woman on the Verge bang

    You know I have to say this… you know it’s coming… By a show of hands, how many of you believe that if the cat is CAUGHT again it will be found in the next batch of cat chow mein?

    Mar 15, 2010 at 9:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   molly ringwald bang

      i actually think that the next time it is caught, it will come home with a tag that says, “I REALLY MEAN IT THIS TIME, NEXT TIME IT WON’T BE BACK! SERIOUSLY! I’M SERIOUS”… these people seem like they’re all talk.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 9:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.2   infant tyrone bang

      That would be if the cat were not so much Caught as Miss-Placed.
      And that’s office-ial.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 2:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #18   dixiechick

    Cat-tagger had better keep his/her (his?) shades down–next time pussy gets loose, the owner may come looking for it in the shrubbery. Wearing a freaky sun-yellow hoodie.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 9:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #19   claw71 bang

    Is it bad that I have employed a similar tagging method on children?

    Please keep this kid at home! Twice it has been caught.

    It’s hard enough being a registered sex offender without kids wandering around in my garden.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 10:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.1   anon.

      “It’s hard enough being a registered sex offender without kids playing on my swings and jungle gym.”

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.2   GhostWriter bang

      “Swings and Jungle Gym”… interesting.
      I prefer to call them “Twig and Berries”.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 8:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #20   Spoons

    I had a neighbour once who didn’t like my cart wandering through his garden. He got my number off the cat’s collar and phoned me up to threaten harm to the cat if it ever went into his garden again. Unfortunately for my neighbour the threats I made to him if he ever touched my cat were far more scary and real than anything he had to offer. Strangely enough I didn’t experience any further problems with this neighbour.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 10:53 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #20.1   Dani

      I hate it when my neighbor’s cart starts wandering through my garden! Stinking wheelbarrows trampling my pansies.

      Mar 25, 2010 at 3:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #21   aaa bang

    Dude, is that last note some sort of threat?

    Mar 15, 2010 at 10:54 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #22   Spoons

    No, just something that happened. Bit off more than he could chew, I guess he thought I was a little old lady not a 6ft skinhead.

    And that is obviously supposed to say cat in the first line, not cart.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 10:57 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #23   veritybrown

    Cat-haters scare me. The vitriol they spew (far more intense than the objections people make toward any other type of domestic animal) makes me wonder how they manage to relate in a civilized manner to other human beings. Maybe they don’t….

    Mar 15, 2010 at 11:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.1   splint chesthair

      To be fair, having cat piss on your patio furniture isn’t all that fun either. If your cat pees on my stuff, I get to pee in your mailbox.

      I have cats but I understand they can be jerks.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 11:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.2   jaywalke

      I’m meh about cats, but simply prefer dogs and birds. My dog stays in the house or behind his fence, as all dogs should. Birds that nest or feed in my yards should be able to do so without feline predators, since I’ve chosen not to own any and there aren’t any bobcats around here.

      Why do cat owners think that private property rights are negated when it comes to their pets? Is it because they are small? Could I let my 90 lb. hound wander through your yard? Probably not, even if he was harmless. There is no reasoning with the mindset, though (see above–the proud threatening skinhead), that “my cat should be free to go anywhere, because it’s a cat.”

      They are not free to do so. If your cat comes into my yard, I’ll try re-training it with something harmless (water, slingshot). If that doesn’t work after a few tries, I’ll kill it and it’s your fault, the same as if it had been run over by a car or eaten by a coyote.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 11:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.3   veritybrown

      Except that the car or the coyote would be an accident or a natural danger. Killing someone’s pet intentionally isn’t quite the same thing. Unless you are saying that you have as little control over your instinct to kill as the coyote does. Of course, that may be true….

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.4   jaywalke

      You’re right: it would be a very clear choice on my part of birds over the cat. It’s also a moot point. The owner is exposing the cat to dangers (dog, car, coyote, me). The motivation of the danger makes no difference to the dead cat (in a box or not).

      If the owner cared about the cat’s safety, they’d keep it home.

      Thankfully, I’ve never had to go that far and hopefully never will. The rubber bullets out of a slingshot are extremely effective. The one problem cat in our neighborhood won’t even come to our side of the street any more. If I did have to switch to the pellet gun, though, I wouldn’t lose a moment’s sleep over it.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.5   park rose bang

      How are you with crying babies, jaywalke? There’s a thread in need of your input.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.6   jaywalke

      Crying babies don’t wander my neighborhood. Is this a big problem where you live? Perhaps some sort of big playpen/trap?

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.7   anglophile bang

      And this, ladies and gentlemen from the UK or Australia or New Zealand, is why most cat owners in America prefer to have indoor cats. Because you never know if you’ve got a creep like jaywalke living three doors down from you who would KILL your cat and not “lose a moment’s sleep over it.”

      I feel sick.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.8   park rose bang

      True, ‘glo, the sentiment is not pretty, but I can’t think s/he is in the majority. I think similar people, or people with a similar mentality, might not blink an eyelid at any mammal they didn’t particularly like wandering into their yard.

      Dogs were tortured where I grew up as much as cats. Kids went missing sometimes too. Dogs don’t have an ounce of sense and can be a menace when loose. There are sick people out there. But how protective can we be of those things we love without suffocating them? But yes, it is mixed, and the environmentalists will often take the plague of feral cats into their own hands, as feral cats do decimate wildlife populations. I feel domestic animals are different.

      I sometimes think that to keep such an independent animal cooped up all the time seems highly unnatural. But then, I guess I could extend that to domesticated birds, hamsters, fish, the whole kit and caboodle. Still, you know your country better than I do, but Australia is not without people who will harm living things as well.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 1:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.9   jaywalke

      “I feel domestic animals are different.”

      They are not. A collar does not remove instinct. The cat I drove out of my yard was going after nesting birds, and I caught it with one in its mouth.

      Not one cat-lover has chimed in yet with a good answer to this: Why should your cat be allowed to kill birds in my yard?

      There is also a vast gulf between torture and killing. That’s a large tarring brush you have there.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 1:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.10   molly ringwald bang

      if you decide to murder an animal for trespassing in your yard, you could receive a large fine or possibly do jail time. furthermore, in most places, firing weapons (including pellet guns) within city limits is illegal… i would imagine that they would frown upon that above animal cruelty.

      i have cats, and i do not let them go outside for multiple reasons, your post being one of them. i understand some animals can be annoying, but i don’t think they are bad enough to risk yourself the legal trouble. i would vote to call animal control.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 1:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.11   molly ringwald bang

      and to answer your question: cats shouldn’t be allowed to kill your birds in your yard. however, are you watching these birds fly about? how are you controlling the fact that they may be shitting on my front porch? or my brand new car? can i kill them for that?

      Mar 15, 2010 at 1:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.12   anglophile bang

      Not to mention the way those damn birds kill my pet earthworms. They are without mercy, those fucking robins.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 2:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.13   jaywalke

      Ah, but the birds are not domestic animals, the concept in this case which includes ownership and responsibility.

      The ownerships in question are of the yard and the cat. I do have the right to a cat-free yard. The cat’s owner may believe otherwise, but if it takes place on my property, they don’t get to choose for me.

      A more usable comparison (rather than bird/cat) would be if a tree from my property fell onto someone’s house and caused damage. I would be liable and my homeowner’s policy would pay. Likewise, if my dog bit someone, my policy would pay assuming that I had taken *precautions to avoid it* (i.e. fence, warning signs).

      What happens when people let their cats run loose is a complete abdication of responsibility. They seem to throw up their hands and say, “There’s nothing I can do.” Of course there is. They can keep their cat inside. They just don’t want to (probably living out some sad fantasy that they, themselves, cannot be tamed) and, as several on this thread have proven, blithely assume that if it doesn’t bother them it doesn’t bother anyone else.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 3:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.14   molly ringwald bang

      well… i agree with your sense that you don’t want bad things to happen to your property… i get that. anyone can relate to the fact that they don’t want to clean up the neighbor’s dog’s poop or repair the window from little Timmy’s rock.

      that being said, respectfully, i don’t know how a tree is a more “usable” comparison. the damage a tree could do, considering this is a large tree, is far worse than a neighborhood feline could do. maybe you don’t want the cat killing a bird in your yard, that’s fair… but, these birds are just wild birds subject to the same risk that the cat is for trespassing on your lawn.

      and let’s see it from a different perspective… neighborhood children can also cause a fair amount of damage as well, simply by playing a game of frisbee or kickball. it wouldn’t give you the right to physically harm them.

      like i said, i do keep my cats inside and would never want them to bother anyone else. i agree that it is your personal property. however, i also agree that if you are going to live in a neighborhood or a similar setting, then you should do the neighborly thing and tell said cat’s owners that their cat is being a nuisance. if they still don’t take responsibility, call animal control. killing a family pet is just cruel. and what if the day comes when you need to borrow a cup of sugar?

      as an animal lover, i wouldn’t mind a cat in my yard if it wasn’t bothering me. however, i do understand that not everyone shares this opinion, and that’s just fine. for people who hate cats so much that they could actually kill them without batting an eye, i’d suggest moving somewhere far away from neighbors and their stupid pets… then everyone wins.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.15   anglophile bang

      Please, jaywalke, please stop trying to convince people that intentionally killing an animal you know to be someone else’s beloved pet just on the off chance that it might kill a bird in the half-acre or so confines of your yard could in any way be justified.

      You are only succeeding in revealing yourself as a complete asshole.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.16   Bunnee

      Yes, Glo, you are completely right. Thumb, thumb, thumb.

      I have always and still do keep my cat inside, mainly because outdoor cats have such hard lives. But now I have another reason to make sure my cat never, ever gets out. People who can kill cats without losing any sleep….

      Mar 15, 2010 at 10:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.17   GLS

      Well, now wait a minute… I can actually see a point here: Jaywalke’s point is basically to shoo trespassers away and if they continue to trespass, kill ‘em. So this theory should also work on neighbors, right? My cat goes on your property. You come over on mine to tell me to get my cat. My cat goes back on your property. You come back over on mine to complain about my damn cat again. You shoot my cat. I shoot you. I can see how this could work out. :P

      Seriously, you have the right to “shoo” trespassers, be they human, dog, cat, Jehovah’s Witness, whatever… you DO NOT have the right to kill them

      Apr 6, 2010 at 7:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #24   Q

    It’s much easier to take the time to find some paper, a pen, and to think of exactly what to say to give you incentive to call the police for theft than it does to look at the collar and call the number listed on it.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 11:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #25   Shady

    Cats shouldn’t be outside unsupervised ever. Would you let your 2 year old child play in traffic? Or your dog go off leash for leisurely strolls around the neighborhood? If you answered no to both these questions, why would you say its ok for cats to wander? They get hit by cars, trapped in traps intended for wild animals, poisoned or killed by angry neighbors. Above and beyond that, cats are skilled hunters, even if they don’t have to kill for food they will and have domesticated cats have decimated song bird populations in some areas.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 11:36 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   claw71 bang

      Interesting. I’ve had a cat for 15 years. She goes outside whenever she’s inclined. Sometimes she’s outside for the entire time I’m at work and on several occasions she spent the weekend outside as she decided to hide when I was packing for a trip.

      As for my dog, I haven’t walked him with the leash in years. I have to go on walks with him because he won’t leave the yard otherwise. I walk him twice a day, but late at night I’ll let him out unattended for 20 minutes or so. Sometimes the cat is with him but most of the time she’s not.

      I don’t encoruage anybody to play in traffic. That includes pets. I actually discourage activities in the street.

      Comparing a cat to a two year-old child is pretty stupid. Cats and dogs can be trained. Two year-olds aren’t as cognizant of instruction. I would allow a six year-old to play outside with minimal supervision. I might even let a six year-old walk several houses down to play with a friend.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:01 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.2   Shady

      My opinon may be interesting but your behavior is irresponsible. Animals kept as pets are domesticated and should to be kept indoors and under supervision at all times. Just because you do it, doesn’t mean you should

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:07 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.3   molly ringwald bang

      i think this all depends on where you live, also. cats are independent beings and they are also very good at escaping trouble (hence the saying, “cats have 9 lives”). they also don’t (usually) terrorize the neighborhood or bark at passers-by. generally, they climb trees or sleep on windows or chase mice/birds. if your cat isn’t bothering anyone, i don’t see why he/she can’t go outside.

      i do have cats. they stay inside because i live in an apartment that does not allow roaming pets.
      but i don’t think letting your cats outside unsupervised compares to letting a 2-year-old play in traffic. that’s just silly.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 12:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.4   claw71 bang

      I meant it was interesting how stupid you are, shady. It comes down to training and understanding your pet.

      Nobody who knows me would say that I’m irresponsible when it comes to my pets. I take very good care of them. They are both very well trained.

      From what I’ve seen, cats tend to fend for themselves quite well. We had a crazy cat lady down the street who kept a bunch of cats that her family simply released to the wild (of our neighborhood) when she died. Those cats have been going strong for 4 years now.

      I don’t condone that sort of thing, but cats are survivors. So as long as my cat stays in the general vicinity of the house, I’ve got no problem letting her out and if some wayward coyote slips inside the city limits and eats her, well, those are consequences I think both of us our willing to accept.

      By the way, she once escaped from confinement on a camping trip and spent two weeks in a pretty rugged State Forest before she ventured into a campsite. I figured she was a goner but she managed to survive in the woods in spite of her domesticated status. I think she’s OK in the yard.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 2:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.5   oi bang

      Claw Claw Claw. Your bad ass veneer is slipping. We have come to expect tough kick assary from you and not explanations or euphemisms for stupid.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 2:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.6   molly ringwald bang

      just because claw loves pussy doesn’t mean he isn’t a badass.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 2:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.7   infant tyrone bang

      Haven’t had a dog around the house for about 45 years, but, like Claw71, my wife and I had 2 cats (in a semi-rural area) for about 15 years before they died from cancer.

      I agree with molly’s opinion that it depends on where you live.

      Two personal notes:

      If someone were to execute my cat (we got a new guy 2 years ago) without a serious explanation of the problem(s) he was causing and without giving us a chance to train him or restrain him from going outside, they would be putting themselves in the same “law of the jungle” jurisdiction that they invoked when killing my cat. If someone as outside the boundaries of human society as William Burroughs could say that even for the prize of immortality he would not scratch out the eyes of a cat, then I’m willing to deem a premeditated cat-killer as being outside the same boundaries and subject to no special protection. If they don’t have a Secret Service team guarding them, revenge would be relatively swift…otherwise it would take some time to engineer. But, ‘er would git done.

      We’re geographically pretty far away from most of you these days, but if I thought someone who was willing to execute a cat had a two-year old who was half as intelligent at 2 as our cats were at 15, I’d be seriously tempted to abduct the kid and deposit it on Claw71′s doorstep, to be trained in mammalian rudiments by his dog and cat and in the human niceties by the man himself (and any others in his household, if he has human cohabitants).

      Mar 15, 2010 at 3:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.8   Shady

      Lets start by saying that because we have different opinons doesn’t mean I’m stupid claw. You’re insult indicates fear of discussion and possibly issues with self confidence. Those who show themselves as cocky as those that lack the most self-esteem.

      If you’re ok with your cat getting killed and your ok with it it makes you a terrible pet owner and yest irresponsible. Do your potential future pets a favor and leave them at the petshop. I’ll keep my fingers crossed that they get a home where they will be truly cared for.

      I think the indoor outdoor issue isn’t a geographic issue, its an age issue. Growing up we had outdoor cats and guess what they all ended up being killed by the major road in front of the house in small town.

      Cats don’t need to be outside, the need to be protected by those of you who buy or adopt them and by doing so promise to love and care for them. Letting animals wander outside, unsupervised isn’t doing them or your neighbors under favor.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.9   park rose bang

      Shady, I can see that it is good for the environment and native wildlife populations to keep a cat inside. I cannot see that it is natural and good for the cat.

      Yes, it saves it from dogs and other people, cars and so on, but I doubt we would rear a child that way. And under constant supervision? You know where your cat is every moment of the day? Humans do subvert the nature of animals all the time, and maybe cats are adapting to being indoor creatures. But I think it is not part of their nature, but I guess they cannot compete with possible predators outside, and obviously they are predators themselves.

      I have never viewed a cat as helpless, and I doubt that most cat owners do, either. Of course, if it is caught by something stronger than it, then it has a problem, but if you can convince me that the vast majority of cats do not want to go outside, then I will say yes, it is within their nature to stay inside. Humans need vitamin D, why don’t cats? There might be an answer to that, I don’t know. But they are exotic creatures, and if they are feral, they do wreak havoc. Non-feral cats can also wreak havoc but I do not think the scale is a great, though jaywalke can contradict me. A friend posted this very interesting article. Long, though.

      Has the States always been a nation of keeping cats indoors? I know it seems to be the majority choice nowadays. But were all owners of pets prior to this current custom terrible owners, too (if it hasn’t been a habit since the founding fathers)?

      Mar 15, 2010 at 8:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.10   Isobel

      Even a domesticated cat is not ‘domesticated’ in the way a chihuahua is ‘domesticated’. Cats are clever, tough and very skilled at looking after themselves.

      Letting a cat outside in a semi rural area does not make someone a ‘terrible pet owner’, in fact, I’d say keeping your cat permanently cooped up in semi-rural or rural area would make someone a worse pet owner. Cities and busy towns are different, of course.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 4:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.11   Clumber

      Dudes, really now. Can we please ix-nay on the idiotic comparisons of pets : children?

      Dog person, I. (shocking, I know) and NOT a kid person at all. However, ppl using the comparison as justification for their opinions make me want to punch them squarely in the F keys.

      If my dog attacks your child, I will have my dog put down. If your child attacks my dog, will you reciprocate? The comparison is idiotic. Just stop.

      And if someone kills one of my cats or my dogs, it isn’t “murder” until I get a hold of them.

      Cool? Good, carry-on then. This is so much more interesting to me than the parenting screeching. And right after Mishee© it is all about me.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 8:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.12   Canthz_B bang

      I dunno, Clumber…pets are people too! :-P

      Mar 16, 2010 at 8:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.13   Shady

      My pets are my kids. Well society may view them as less valuable I sure as hell never would and people who don’t respect that aren’t people that I spend time with. If someone killed them, you can bet your ass I’d be tempted to take the weak animal protection laws into my own hands. And Clumber, if you wanna punch me in my f keys, I can totally take you.

      As for the its cruel keeping cats indoors opinon, cats should never be exposed to the outdoors to know what they are missing. And yes, outdoor cats have been shown to have a statistically shorter lifespan. The stories that follow this batch of comments are ancedotal and not at all universally applicable. Those people and their cats just got lucky.

      I have three cats of my own and two of the three of them are terrified of being outside. I also foster cats and have had half a dozen come through my home since November. And guess what, none of them of them ever tried to escape. Most of these cats were former “strays” picked up on the street who enjoyed a warm bed and regular food much more so than the cold, dangerous outside world. Yes, I do have one that I walk on a harness and leash, who never leaves my sight out of the house. Is she stir crazy all winter. No I tried to take her into the snow and she immediately turned around and headed for the door.

      I don’t know about the States it being a majority choice to keep cats indoors but in Canada where I’m from the tides, they are a turning, especially in urban areas. And no, it hasn’t always been this way, but the world around us is constantly evolving. We never used to use car seats either but that isn’t used as an argument against using them now right?

      We breed these animals, whether accidentatly (by failing to spay and neuter which is a whole other topic) or on purpose (by breeding or by purchasing from a breeder or a pet store) to be our PETS! Not to be semi-feral cats who decimate delicate ecosystems and be exposed to all sorts of dangers. Because we bring these animal into this world, we are responsible for their health and well-being and the best way to ensure that is to keep your cat indoors.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 10:52 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.14   Clumber

      Wait.. is that “I can take you” as in “to Bermuda for some long walks on the beach and raunchy naughtiness” or you think you can kick my ass? You’ll have better luck with the former. Just sayin’.

      Looky, my dogs (and even the worthless cats) are a part of my family. A very important part. But anthropomorphizing them insults BOTH of our species. Dogs are awesome just as dogs. Not as “furry children” or any of that rot. They are dogs and that is the center of their greatness. No need to drag them down to some yuppyass bullshit riding-in-a-stroller and wearing a dress nonsense. Love the critter for being a critter. Stop trying to change them.

      Our two worthless cats are 100% indoor cats. Our previous 100% indoor cat lived to 22 years old. Yes, she could vote and buy Claw drinks. My MIL feeds a damn horde of outdoor cats and they are regularly killed and eaten by real wild animals (the kind that don’t have names or collars), and not a one of them is older than 7. I grew up with indoor/outdoor cats and they were constantly at the vet for fight wounds – even when altered young. I may build an outdoor enclosure for the cats next year, assuming I can’t find anything else to do first. If you think it is cruel or “like jail” then you don’t understand domestication. Or you have a different opinion that I do, and you’re just flat wrong. heh.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 2:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.15   molly ringwald bang

      in my book, walking your cat on a leash is cruelty. only dogs and (occasionally) lizards belong on leashes.

      and i don’t think i’ve ever brought an animal into this world. i’ve rescued one or two, but don’t think i have ever actually been responsible for creating one from scratch. that would be impressive.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 2:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.16   wendy

      Exactly. I let my cat outside when I am at home, and spray her with water if she tries to jump the fence into other people’s yards. She is indoors while no-one is home to keep an eye on her.

      She also can’t catch birds at all, doesn’t understand how to do it (she just sits there meowing at them) possibly because she was indoors 100% of the time for the first 12 months of her life.

      I don’t think keeping pets indoors 100% of the time is kind or healthy, which is why I let her out supervised.

      I just hope this is enough to keep her away from the attention of those who seem to jump at any excuse to cause harm to another sentient creature.

      Mar 31, 2010 at 1:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #26   Rae

    If your pet is out by itself it runs into people and things that you don’t know about. Like people who leave little notes, hungry coyotes, and other peoples’ pets that may be bigger and not so friendly. It’s a risk I’m not willing to take.
    Everyone always thinks there is no way their pet annoys the neighbors. If your pet is out by itself it is probably aggravating someone or something.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 12:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #27   Julie

    Perhaps it is the cat hater (or the cat?) who is tossing the tuna cans in the previous post.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 1:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #28   daquina

    hrm. the laws in my state specifically exempt cats (as well as pigeons, incidentally) from having to be confined or under control by their owner.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 1:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #29   oi bang

    I dunno. cats outside who cares. Where I grew up (I grew up in a small town) we had cats, dogs, cows, goats, pigs along with kids, of course, roaming the streets pretty much at their discretion. I grew up learning living in harmony and caring for you own safety. We had a particularly crazy cow that would run for ten minutes from one end to another every evening 7 o’ clock. At this time everybody and by everybody I mean other cows, dogs, pigs and kids would disappear to let her run around. Cows are believed particularly sacred so City did not dare to dispose her.
    I guess it boils down to location. On that note we did not have large number four wheelers but we did have numerous bikes and motorcycles passing through out the day. I have not sen a single case of any animal or a kid been ran over in 17 years of my living there. nor the cases of kids being hurt by animals or vice versa.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 2:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.1   oi bang

      oh and we also got fresh milk(not pasteurized/processed , straight from the cow or buffalo, cow’s for kids and buffalo’s for adults) delivered to our home twice a day. Good times.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 3:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.2   claw71 bang

      Add a slutty ewe and it sounds like heaven to me.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.3   oi

      How about a crazy cow? You know what they say Crazier they are, sexier they are

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.4   TheOldSchool

      Plus they’re always in the mooo’d.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 2:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.5   TippingCows

      Oh, that made me snarf. Silly humour makes me snarf! Oy!

      Mar 16, 2010 at 11:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #30   SAP-er for life

    The only time I have an issue with my neighbor’s outdoor cat is when he poops in my garden. That’s when I break out the cayenne pepper. If he still doesn’t get it, I employ my husband’s slingshot. He usually gets the point after that. :-D

    Mar 15, 2010 at 3:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #30.1   claw71 bang

      I don’t know about my cat, but when I find myself short on cash and the city shuts my water off, I poop in my neighbor’s garden. I usually supply my own pepper–you know, depending on what I had for dinner.

      My neighbors usually don’t catch on, since I’m a midnight pooper and all, but they’re usually a bit confused at their crop. “I could have sworn I only planted two rows of corn,” Gary said to me last summer, “and I know I didn’t plant any watermelon.”

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #30.2   SAP-er for life

      I think that might be a sign that you need to chew your food better, Claw.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 4:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #30.3   Canthz_B bang

      I didn’t even know cat poop tasted better with cayenne pepper.
      I’ve been using Heinz 57 sauce all these years, DOH!

      Mar 15, 2010 at 11:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #30.4   infant tyrone bang

      I love the little nuggets of information that occasionally pop up here.

      Don’t get me wrong, the humor and name calling are what keep me coming back, but to find out that if enough of us had switched from Heinz’s branded product to non-denominational cayenne we might
      have had Howard Dean as President back in 2004…well, that just reinforces the idea that it pays to analyze connections and stay current.

      Who knows, maybe if some of us had switched from one thing
      to another about 10 years ago, we would only know G.W. Bush
      as the (probably, by now) former Governor of Texas.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 12:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #30.5   SAP-er for life

      You mean you’ve never had cat poo with cayenne pepper before, CB? You’ve been missing out!

      Though, in the spring I tend to go with red pepper flakes, and in the fall I prefer freshly ground black pepper. There’s something about being outside for the summer that just makes a cat’s poop taste different. Must be all those songbirds. :-)

      Mar 16, 2010 at 4:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #31   xyzzy

    Statistically speaking, the *average* lifespan of a cat allowed outside is just four years. I learned in my quiet suburb that it was fairly accurate before I started keeping my cats inside. The fluke that died naturally at 21 was sadly balanced by the ones killed as kittens & between 4-5 years old. (Even staying on the porch didn’t help, thanks to other cats with fatal diseases like FIP that lack effective vaccines.)

    Hopefully the person that left the original note just intends to bring the cat to a no-kill shelter. I don’t know the laws elsewhere, but in much of the US it’s legal to report/bring roaming pets to Animal Control.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 5:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.1   catburglar

      Sorry, but in this case statistics aren’t valid. A cat’s safety outside depends on where you live, and if you, owner of the cat, pay attention to the risks. I live in an area with very few cars, no rabies or distemper, and a leash law that restricts potentially dangerous-to-cat dogs. But there are coyotes, bobcats, and even mountain lions out and about in the evening. My cats are 9-5 cats, door open, indoor-outdoor, and they are close to 19 years old now. Come dusk, they come in, and they DO come in, because cats are creatures of habit.

      How would you, xyzzy, like ot be kept inside for your entire life? Why should a cat, who can’t even entertain itself with online distractions, like PAN, be wholly sane and happy under those circumstances? Cats have amazing senses, reflexes, and are pretty intelligent mammals. Unless you live in a city or on a busy street, I think you are wrong to keep a cat entirely indoors for its entire life.

      If nothing else, put it on a leash and take it out on the weekends. Have some sympathy and some imagination. Think about what a cat *is*, and think about the life you are giving it.

      For the regular PAN-ers. Sorry for the lecture – please skip on to Glo or Ty or Verge for witticisms and clever banter!

      Mar 15, 2010 at 10:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.2   infant tyrone bang

      No banter, just a thumb.

      P.S. Our 2 cats survived 15 years in an area where coyotes were prevalent and mountain lions were something that showed up once every few years. Every once in a while one or the other would stay out past dark, but we had them fairly reliably trained to come in by dusk or earlier.
      One thing that I haven’t noticed anyone mentioning is that cats can reach a level of detente with most dogs by giving the dog a claw sample across the dog’s nose.
      As far as cats wreaking havoc on local bird populations, I suppose our bird populations were robust enough to sustain themselves. It’s easy to feel sorry for the birds, but unless the local human population is negatively affected by the loss of those birds, I think we may do better by animals in general if we resist the urge to step in and ‘help’. If you believe in God, then what happens from our non-interference is God’s will. Otherwise, it’s just Nature doing what Nature does when we don’t get in the way.

      Mar 15, 2010 at 11:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.3   Canthz_B bang



      Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.4   anglophile bang

      My cat Polly laughs at the notion that it’s cruel to keep her inside. She frequently exercises her hunting skills on furry mice (fake), toes under blankets (ouch), laser lights and ladybugs. She gets plenty of exercise running up and down the stairs at 3 am. She likes her meals of cat food served precisely at 7 am and 5 pm and woe betide you if you’re busy. Since I brought her home from the humane society she hasn’t even so much as glanced outside the door when it’s open.

      No, I don’t think I am being one bit cruel to keep her inside all her life.

      No clever banter for me–I’m all out on this topic.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 12:15 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.5   infant tyrone bang


      Glad for you and Polly. Some cats are fine with being indoors.
      Some people love cities, some the countryside.

      Our boy cat came home from the shelter to an almost 900 sq. ft. condo. Once he saw the tiny postage-stamp garden in back, he was interested. The only way out of the back ‘yard’ was up a tree, along a branch, and drop down once the branch got past the cedar fence. I kept him from leaving the yard for almost a full year by way of dousing him with a SuperSoaker gun as soon as he got a foot or so up the tree. One evening he got a few feet up, got doused as usual, but, instead of climbing down, he looked at me with a “Sorry, Dad, but this is something I just gotta do now” and was gone to the mild wilds of the trail past the fence. After that we tried the cat body harness and leash, but it was always sub-optimal for both of us.

      Less than a year later we were in a house on a half acre in a semi-rural area. Keeping that guy inside in the new place would have been next to impossible. We didn’t try to do the impossible, but we trained him and his girl friend to come in before it got dark. They had 12-13 years of intelligent freedom by day and as much affection as they wanted at night.

      There are plenty of humans who live their lives in a variety of situations analogous to being ‘always indoors’. ‘indoor/outdoor’, or ‘always outdoor”. Many of them are happy with their situation. Many dream of change.


      Mar 16, 2010 at 1:24 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.6   Canthz_B bang

      I’m not a cat person, so shoot me if what I say is stupid, but I think that if you think an animal should be free, you shouldn’t keep it as a pet.
      I just don’t see part-time captivity.

      If you love them, set them free. If you think they are independent, grant them full independence.
      If you think they depend on you, be a full time caregiver.

      *ducks for cover!*

      Mar 16, 2010 at 2:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.7   TheOldSchool


      Who is Witty? I’d like to hear some more about your new friend.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 2:33 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.8   Canthz_B bang

      TOS, I was just hoping for a cat fight! LOL :-)

      Mar 16, 2010 at 2:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.9   TippingCows

      So one side of this opinion seems to be: it’s ok to keep cats inside as long as you live in a big city or live in an apartment.
      But it’s not ok to keep them inside if you live in a more rural area or you live in a house with a yard.
      The argument is that it’s cruel.
      The logical conclusion IS – your opinion would make more sense if you said that cats should not be kept inside 24/7, therefore people that live in big cities or apartments should not own cats.
      In a nutshell:

      Sex is more fun than logic — one cannot prove this, but it “is” in the same sense that Mount Everest “is”, or that Alma Cogan “isn’t”.


      Mar 16, 2010 at 11:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #32   Jill Terwilliger

    Angry German Ancient Lady killed or otherwise disposed of my cat for me whilst I was on vacation. It was so nice of her to do that for me and leave he kittens to die in the garage (they didn’t, actually, though they got mighty thin in the week we were gone.)

    This sweet ole biddy also welcomed me to the neighborhood with a PAN about how she didn’t pay taxes so I could be off being a lousy parent while the busdriver waited in front of my house honking and making her fibromyalgia flair up. Because it was SO AWESOME for the school district to make my normie and my special ed kid go to different schools. That made things really easy, what with trying to walk back with the normie to be home in time for short bus to come back with the helmethead.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 7:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #32.1   Clumber

      Not sure why, maybe I am just in a shitty mood, but I really want to smack your neighborly old biddy around with a 2×4 wrapped in razorwire. Mind dashing of the address to me? Wonder if I could make it before dark…

      Mar 16, 2010 at 2:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #33   Canthz_B bang

    I can feel the authority of the note-writer. Talking sperm always add weight to comments about a stray pussy.

    Mar 15, 2010 at 10:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #34   Sarah Ashley

    Okay, I had to comment on this one;

    I have a cat named Jack that I adopted from the MSPCA last year. When he adjusted to his new home, I allowed him to be an outdoor cat since my neighborhood is relatively quiet.

    He usually only stayed outside during the day, but as the summer wore on he started to disappear for days at a time. I became concerned, and, after getting him several of those break-away cat collars that he snapped out of in seconds, I purchased a dark green, personalized collar that had his full name embroidered on it in white, with an actual buckle that he couldn’t rip off (he also has a microchip).

    WELL … one night, after coming home from work, he came racing up the driveway to greet me — wearing a plain, bright red collar!!!!!!! What crazy person does that?! The collar that I bought him could only come off if a human unbuckled it, so someone took it off and put their own collar on MY cat!

    Needless to say, I’ve never let him out of the house since that night…

    Mar 16, 2010 at 5:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.1   infant tyrone bang


      It may be rare, but it’s not unique.
      Our girl cat (the more friendly of our two) got scooped up
      one afternoon by a 2nd grade girl about 6 houses down.
      She hid the collar under her pillow, and might have managed
      to keep her except that:
      1) her mother only let her keep the cat overnight and outside, and,
      2) her 7th grade sister found the collar, put it together with our
      Missing Cat signs posted up and down the block, and called to tell us
      that her sister ‘probably’ had had Tippy the night before.

      We found her that evening on their roof, brought her back down the long block, and even managed to give out candy on Halloween that year.

      Mar 16, 2010 at 7:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.2   Canthz_B bang

      Cats hate wearing the same thing day in and day out. I’m not surprized the cat changed collars.
      There’s only so much ribbing a tabby can take from the gang in the alley you know.

      Besides, what stylish cat would be caught dead wearing green after Labor Day?

      Mar 16, 2010 at 10:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.3   Anony Nonny Ney

      Sarah, where does your cat work?

      Mar 18, 2010 at 12:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.4   sarah ashley

      hahaha … he works as an environmental engineer.

      aka, he kills spiders for me :)

      Mar 18, 2010 at 2:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

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    Mar 22, 2010 at 2:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up


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