Happy Caturday!

September 22nd, 2012 · 103 comments

Writes our submitter in Canada: “This is my neighbour’s cat, Byron. He’s a lovely boy, but given the chance, he’ll steal into my apartment and scarf down my cats’ kibble. The other day Bryon visited sporting this new heart-shaped tag.”



related post:

Please stop feeding my cat!

FILED UNDER: British Columbia · cats · neighbors

103 responses so far ↓

  • #1   nativefloridian

    I’m not one of the ‘cats should always be indoors at all times’ crowd, but…

    If his cat’s on a restricted diet, it’s on him to do the restricting.

    Sep 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   meri

      but he looks hungry…

      Sep 23, 2012 at 10:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #2   StephM

    Crazy debates in 3…2…1.

    Sep 22, 2012 at 2:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   kermit

      Wouldn’t it be easier if all the comments from the previous cat note were just copied and pasted here instead?

      Sep 22, 2012 at 3:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.2   Jami

      Well, sorry you think the debate is nuts, but coyotes are a major problem and killer of wandering pets like cats. And for some reason they’re a “protected” species. Having had one in my front yard and seeing the number of “lost cat” signs that popped up not long after, I say – KEEP YOUR CATS AND DOGS INSIDE!

      Sep 22, 2012 at 6:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.3   Cranky Britches

      And the irony just goes flying over Jami’s head…

      Sep 22, 2012 at 7:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.4   Kate

      Please don’t feed me…to the coyotes?

      Sep 22, 2012 at 7:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.5   H for Toy

      Where are coyotes protected? It’s open season all year, around here.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.6   The Elf

      Word, Kermit. I doubt there’ll be anything new here that wasn’t gone over ad nauseum in the other thread.

      FWIW, Byron is a cutie!

      Sep 24, 2012 at 9:14 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.7   Thunder McKing

      Everytime I read a thread about coyotes eating cats, I just want to break out and sing Circle of Life from The Lion King.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.8   Brittani

      Coyotes are more likely to nom on humans where I live. There’s an attack (and not even in the woods. On streets) where I live ever few months, and one of the only recorded deaths was here, too (Google Taylor Mitchell). The foxes nom on cats here, though. My cats are indoor cats only because I live in an apartment. My parents (and therefore, me until I moved out 5 years ago) have had outdoor cats my whole life, including one who’s about 16 now. It just depends on your neighborhood.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 4:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.9   Vulpis

      @Kate Don’t feed them..*with* the coyotes, either. I ‘ve known more than a few cats that are perhaps a bit more in touch with their wild ancestors and their ability to take down targets much larger than themselves…

      Sep 24, 2012 at 8:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.10   Jean

      Be more ethnocentric… We got next to no dangerous wildlife left.

      Sep 26, 2012 at 9:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #3   Valerie

    That’s pretty cute! He must be one of those cats that mooches all around the neighborhood. “Why is Poofy so fat, he’s hardly eating anything!”

    Sep 22, 2012 at 3:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   Ashley

      My cat is that cat. He is one of those cats that acts like he’s never been petted or fed in his life. I once got into an argument with an older lady who told me she couldn’t afford to feed my cat. Which of course I never asked her too. Believe me he’s milking it at home too lady.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 6:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.2   Olivia

      my kitty is like that kitty too. He’s made friends with the neighbour’s dog and I’m convinced he helps himself to the dog’s food. And their cat’s.

      I think it’s a bit rich to claim putting such a note on the cat is passive aggressive. Frankly, if it’s not your cat, you shouldn’t be encouraging it to stay inside your house at all.

      I’ve thought of putting such a note on my cat, but I like collars even less. So my cat stays healthy, but fat and very outdoors.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 12:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.3   weaselby

      Wow. Keep your cat inside if you don’t want it in other people’s business.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 4:24 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.4   raela

      To the person above me.. fat is NOT healthy. Overweight animals should be considered abuse just as much as underweight ones. Good job increasing your cat’s risk of metabolic issues, arthritis, and heart conditions..

      Sep 24, 2012 at 7:12 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.5   Wait..what?

      @Raela – then the owner should keep their pet restricted to their house and deal with it. This is definitely not someone else’s problem. You need to chill like a fat cat.

      @Olivia – I don’t think the submitter is ‘encouraging’ someone else’s pet to come into their home. They probably leave a window/door cracked so their kitties can come and go as they please. Another animal coming in is the price you pay for that, which he doesn’t seem to be upset about.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 12:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #4   missy13d69

    I would send him away with a note attached to that collar. “If he comes to my house, we’re going to eat BLT’s and watch Sesame Street together. Just like always.”

    Sep 22, 2012 at 3:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   LOLCATS

      LOL! Who doesn’t love BLTs and Sesame Street?! AND COMBINED?! This is genius.

      Sep 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #5   bitchy the dwarf

    so do people in apartments routinely leave their doors open? Or is the cat sneak out of his own apartment and then just wait for another door to open?

    Sep 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   Lita

      The latter. My neighbors before I moved had an asshole cat that’d hang round our front door, and bolt inside every time it was opened. Our cats did not take kindly to that.

      Sep 22, 2012 at 7:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.2   Bookmark

      At our old apartment, all the neighbors’ cats would come in through our cat door and hang out, eat, sleep, etc. I can’t count how many times I woke up at night and reached out to pet what I THOUGHT was my cat, only to realize it was someone else’s (to be fair, we live in a cold area, and some of these were outdoor cats looking for a warm place to spend the night. None of the cats had collars, but they were obviously owned and well cared for. We only knew where one cat actually belonged, which was our upstairs neighbors, who didn’t really care when we told them about him staying with us. We eventually had to buy him his own special cat food because he had a fussy stomach).

      When we moved, we finally saved up enough money to buy a cat door that scans our cats’ microchips, and only authorized chip codes are allowed inside. Problem solved! Our cats have new friends here, but they are outside friends only!

      Sep 25, 2012 at 7:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #6   Ali Longworth

    Wonder how long it will be before Bryon manages to ditch the tag?

    Sep 22, 2012 at 7:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #7   Meh

    I don’t see the big deal. Many cats tend to throw up when they eat food they aren’t used to. I’ve been tempted to get one for my cat. I don’t expect anyone to guard his dietary intake for me, but maybe it’ll stop people from specially putting out food for him that he’ll just puke up in my bed later.

    Sep 22, 2012 at 7:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   Hurl

      Bed puke is the price you pay for allowing your cat to roam. Deal with it.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 4:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.2   nativefloridian

      Grass from the yard will have the same effect. Yes, cats eat salad from time to time.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 8:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #8   Polly

    Don’t worry. Byron probably won’t be bothering you too much longer. Owners who let their cats run wild sentence them to a shortened lifespan. It’s a tough world out there. Oh well.

    Sep 22, 2012 at 8:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   Daw

      For every anecdote you give me of an indoor/outdoor cat living a short life, I’ll show you the example of my indoor/outdoor cat that lived to a very happy old age of 22. I’ll also show you my indoor only cat that went blind and died early from feline leukemia.

      Every cat is different. Every person’s neighborhood is different. It’s not guaranteed that outdoors is bad for your cat, or indoors is bad for your cat.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 2:12 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.2   Jenn bang

      Even if outside cats do have decreased lifespans their quality of life is far better and every neighbourhood is different so you just have to judge the risks involved.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 4:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.3   aggiechicken

      No, but there are countless birds and other species of small animals that cats decimate. Cats are not native to the population of any habitat as they are domesticated. They have no business being allowed to go out and wreck havoc.

      There are plenty of ways to allow one’s cat to be outside safely, but most people are far, far too lazy to leash train or build a cozy enclosure for their animal.

      All three of my cats are leash trained, and I have a few endangered birds that visit my property every so often. It is quite nice.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 11:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.4   H for Toy

      Yeah, I agree with kermit. Copy and paste.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 12:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.5   Jenn bang

      Aggiechicken- small cats are native to many habitats. Also who do you think is wrecking more havoc on your area, cats or humans?

      I’ll give you a hint, cats don’t drive cars or pave over vast areas. Cats also don’t build highways or install shiny glass windows that are responsible for millions of bird deaths every year.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 1:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.6   Vulpis

      @Aggiechicken Might I point out that the same argument goes for humans and their children? We utterly destroy natural habitats in order to create our urban ones.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 7:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.7   Lou

      Yeah, my outdoor cat is 15 years old this year, and keeps on trucking. Was never a bird catcher either, althought she was great for mice and the occasional pond rat.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 8:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.8   raela

      Outdoor cats are a higher risk of contracting feline leukemia/immunodeficiency virus. I doubt that indoor cat caught it indoors, and without it, likely would have lived much longer.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 7:14 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.9   Wait..what?

      @ raela – get them vaccinated. Problem solved.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 12:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.10   The Elf

      Totally right, Vulpis. It’s important to spay and nueter your children.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 2:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.11   Brittani

      Absolutely agreed on every cat is different. If we’re only using anecdotal evidence, my grandmother’s cats were indoor cats.

      One died at age 3 (I forget how, it was a while ago). The other lived to be 22(!!).

      My parents and I had outdoor cats. One is sixteen and still kicking. One was poisoned by the scary old man next door (who is dead now, hence my other cat still being alive) and died at age 2.

      None of this means anything in the grand scheme of things. Every cat, owner, neighborhood, climate, and house is different.

      I have 3 indoor cats now. If I didn’t live in an apartment building with no personal entrance, they MIGHT be outdoor cats – if they wanted to be. I’m content with them inside or out so long as they’re happy kitties.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 4:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.12   Goddess of Knitting

      Add my cats to the list of amazingly long-lived outdoor cats: 21 and 17, respectively. I guess foxes and coyotes just aren’t a problem in urban Seattle, and they were really good about looking both ways when crossing the street.

      However, I know the 21 yo cat was the angel of death for many birds in the area, so there’s that argument for keeping them indoors. (She was also adept at removing her collar, so a bell didn’t work.)

      Sep 25, 2012 at 2:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.13   Bookmark

      Exactly! This is why my kids are homeschooled and play inside. I don’t even take them anywhere in the car – we might have an accident! Home is where they belong, where they’ll be nice and safe :)


      Sep 25, 2012 at 7:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #9   Dot

    Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think this is too unreasonable. In the US, it is very common for cats to be indoors only, and people get into huge fights about it (hence the indoor/outdoor debate here on PAN). But in other places like the UK, it is common and completely normal for cats to be outdoors. Some people even say its cruel to keep them indoors only.

    Its easy to say “well the owner should just keep them indoors and out of possible food”, and I even agree that that would be best, but if the cat has been outdoors all its life, it may be hard to keep indoors. Or maybe in this particular part of Canada its normal for cats to roam around. In that case, I don’t think its unreasonable to ask people not to feed your cat. There are no name calling, no fake smileys, no aggressive undertones, just a straight forward request not to feed it. People with good intention might be feeding it to be nice, without understanding that its actually overeating.

    Sep 22, 2012 at 8:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   Vulpis

      Quite true. It’s less a call of ‘Control my cat’s diet for me!’ than ‘Please don’t go giving handouts, no matter how cute and pathetic he acts.’ Then again, this doesn’t help that much when the cat is actively sneaking in and *stealing* the food like the OP describes, as opposed to getting fed by kind-hearted but un-knowing cat lovers.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 7:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.2   nurgleth

      Yeah these debates confuse the fuck out of me, haha. I figured it’d be some US thing… in my country if you’re living on the countryside it would be considered weird to keep them indoors – and if you’re living in the city it would be considered weird if you kept them outdoors.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 4:48 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.3   The Elf

      What’s the indoor cat/outdoor cat culture like for Canada?

      Sep 24, 2012 at 9:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.4   kermit

      Wait, there’s such a thing as cat culture, and moreover outdoor cat culture? Are there magazines for this kind of thing? Is “Cat Fancy” launching new publications, like “Vegan Cat”, “Outdoor Cat”, “Indoor Cat”, and “Cat Burglar” ?

      Sep 24, 2012 at 2:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.5   Brittani

      I live in Canada, and I think it’s personal preference. I see (and befriend, but don’t feed) TONS of cats outside. The first time I heard of ‘indoor cats’ other than my grandmother (who didn’t like to open doors/was quite crippled), was a neighbor down the street when I was fifteen. So, at least where I live, the majority are outdoor. I live in an apartment building, and in 12 apartments there are about 14-15 cats – we all have multiples – so that’s a large chunk of indoor. TL;DR: I don’t think there’s any ‘culture’. It’s what you and your furry friends find works best.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 4:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.6   Vulpis

      Indeed. Most of the cats I encounter in the neighborhood are either indoor/outdoor, or true ‘outdoor’ kind (aka strays). There might be some purely indoor cats as well, but I generally don’t encounter them. Closest to an indoor cat I can think of was Kirby, kept by the vaccuum cleaner repair guy who used to be down the street (and has since relocated, sadly). Sweet-tempered cat, and had a similar attitude to going home with his owner (who had a couple of other cats there) as he did towards going outside–basically, ‘This is my territory to rule, and I’m comfy here, why would I *want* to go outside with all that weather and bugs and things?’. Had a nice week one time cat-sitting him at the shop in the afternoons when the owner went on vacation.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 8:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.7   a-Arialist

      I’m in the UK. If I lived in the country, or village/small town I’d have indoor/outdoor cats. As it is, I’m on the outskirts of London, in a first floor flat (second floor, for those in the US) and there’s a really busy road outside, so my boys stay inside. I do take them out on harnesses to get some interest in their lives, and I make an effort to spend time playing with them every day so they don’t get bored. Plus, they’ve got lots of do-it-yourself cat toys for whilst I’m at work.

      Sep 25, 2012 at 3:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.8   Bookmark

      I don’t think it’s unreasonable, either. If the cat sneaks into your place, yeah, that can’t always be helped. But if there are those who are intentionally feeding the cat, then this makes sense.

      I can’t blame the owner for suspecting outside food: I had a pet rat once that started putting on a LOT of weight, despite the fact that she got just as much food and exercise as her (smaller) sister. I set up a camera and realized that one of my roommates was feeding her junk food EVERY DAY. When I confronted him, he confessed that he was angry that I’d adopted a second rat to keep the other company, and wanted to “punish” me for it (despite the fact that he knew I had a rat and was planning to adopt a sister for her BEFORE he moved in with me!) It’s not like I let them run around the house! They had an enormous cage in my room (not shared, we had a whole house) with lots of toys and exercise wheels… I only ever took them out so they could bathe in the bathroom sink once a month – in MY bathroom.

      Even worse, my other roommates knew… they thought it was funny that he was making her fat and that’s why they didn’t tell me! That’s what happens when you live with a bunch of “bros” :C It took a long time to help her lose that extra weight.

      Sep 25, 2012 at 7:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.9   kermit

      I definitely shouldn’t ask this, but how is overfeeding a rat supposed to be punishing you instead of the rat?

      Sep 26, 2012 at 1:27 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #10   Conaco

    What a nice looking kitty. Since Byron didn’t put that tag on himself I’d ignore it.

    Sep 22, 2012 at 8:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #11   bitchy the dwarf

    put some mothballs outside the door. They’re cheap and cats don’t like the smell. This will probably keep the resident cats IN and Byron OUT. Granted your front door area will smell like mothballs for awhile…

    Sep 22, 2012 at 8:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   Lil'

      I always believed that until my mother-in-law coated the the ground in her crawl space with them. She had been looking for her outdoor cats all day. I just happened to glance under her house as I approached and saw them swimming in a sea of mothballs. She didn’t believe me when I told her where they were. They stayed under there all day. Funny though, mothballs completely got rid of the snakes that used to come into my yard. That is, until I got an outdoor cat who does that job now. Now if you’ll excuse me…I must get ready for my tar and feathering.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 6:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.2   Vulpis

      Hmmm. One of my neighbors has commented on using cyaenne pepper and the like to keep stray *dogs* away. Wonder if that works on cats as well.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 8:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.3   The Elf

      It depends on the animal and how determined they are. I had a pet rabbit who thought the hot sauce and bitter apple I smeared electrical cords with was merely flavoring.

      But here’s a recipe I’ve used with success: Get some vodka (good vodka if you want to drink it too, rotgut otherwise). Get some habeneros. Get some cheesecloth. Cut up the habeneros and wrap them – seeds and all – in cheesecloth. Soak in the vodka for a few days to a week. Put in spray bottle, apply liberally, re-apply after rain. It won’t hurt your garden or lawn, but the spicy scent should keep most animals away.

      Sep 25, 2012 at 6:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.4   kermit

      Elf, isn’t it just faster and more effective to drink the vodka yourself? Keeping yourself busy with drunkenness definitely takes your mind off your garden plants.

      Sep 26, 2012 at 1:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.5   The Elf

      A little for me, a little for the plants, a little more for me…..

      Sep 26, 2012 at 7:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #12   Bosco

    I never minded other people feeding my excessively fat cat when he made his neighborly rounds. What I did mind was when one of his “other women” would see him in my yard with me and start a conversation about the poor little starving stray. Ummm little and starving? He weighed 17 pounds!

    Sep 22, 2012 at 10:01 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #13   0rd

    Sounds like Byron has quite the reputation. It’s probably not just your kibble that’s being pilfered. I think the tag is more amusing than passive aggressive.

    Sep 23, 2012 at 12:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #14   Lil'

    What’s funny about these notes to me is the assumption that the neighbors are voluntarily feeding the cats. My neighbor’s cat would constantly clean out my cat’s bowl. Yet, she told me that couldn’t understand why her cat was overweight. It wasn’t until my cat tired of it and reminded the other cat who was boss that it stopped. I never once voluntarily fed that cat.

    Sep 23, 2012 at 7:08 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #15   Kathleen

    Don’t worry, when your fat outdoor cat comes over, I’ll just let my dogs eat it. Problem solved!

    Sep 23, 2012 at 10:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   Vulpis

      How? After it finishes off the dogs, the cat’ll just be even fatter!

      Sep 24, 2012 at 8:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #16   aggiechicken

    He won’t have to worry about people feeding him when someone finally happens to poison him as is common where I am. Or shoot him.

    Sep 23, 2012 at 11:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.1   Lou

      Seriously? You have creepy neighbours. Yuck.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 8:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.2   The Elf

      It’s unfortunately common. Many people view outdoor pet cats as strays and ferals, even when they aren’t. Or they just don’t care if there is a distinction between an outdoor pet cat and a stray cat and a feral cat. They just see them as pests. Or they’re just innately cruel and enjoy their deaths. In any case, poisoned food is often the weapon of choice.

      I wish this wasn’t the case, but it too often is. One of my in-laws has bragged about it.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 9:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.3   Kimberly

      I have a friend who lives in BVI and apparently that is a problem there too, her neighbor’s puppy, PUPPY, was poisoned. It makes me sick.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 11:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.4   Brittani

      *raises hand* I had a poisoned cat as a child. And he was the SWEETEST, most loving cat, ever – the entire neighborhood (except the old man that poisoned him – we had him over for a Christmas eggnog that year because we suspected him, and got him to admit to it – he was worried the cat was going to dig up his flowers. The cat never DID do so, the most he did was cut across the yard – old evil bastard [who later tried to lure my sister and a friend into his home and begged them for 'kisses' when they were 8-years-old] said as much, but his worry over his incredibly cheap, easy-to-grow, Wal-Mart bought flowers, led him to murder a family and neighborhood friend JUST IN CASE) was upset, and myself and the local kids held a funeral for him. It was pretty traumatic at age 9. One kid ‘officiated’ as the ‘minister’, and I remember one of my little friends SOBBING over the grave my parents dug. Just awful.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 4:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.5   Nicki

      When I read you had him over for eggnog, I was hoping you were going to say your family poisoned the old man!

      Sep 24, 2012 at 10:54 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #16.6   Lou

      Oh wow. That’s beyond evil.

      I mean, I hate feral cats, but the idea of shooting/poisoning an animal to protect your flowers is just creepy. And puppies! NOT COOL.

      Sep 28, 2012 at 1:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #17   shepd

    Don’t leave your cat outside. It doesn’t belong on other’s property, and more importantly, it could die.

    Example: There’s a problem with rather large rats around here (or so I’m told by the neighbours–I can believe it because I found some odd holes dug under the deck). The neighbours wanted to let me know they laid out some poison.

    The rats are gone, and fortunately for my cat, I don’t let it outside, so I told the neighbours do as you must to keep our places pestilence free. :)

    Sep 23, 2012 at 11:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   Jenn bang

      You know what humanity has been using as pest control since we first settled into communities and began farming the land? Cats.

      They are the only animal to domesticate themselves. We farmed, the farms attracted rodents and other pests, the pests attracted cats.

      Maybe if your cat was an outside cat you wouldn’t have such a rat problem in the first place.

      Sep 23, 2012 at 11:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.2   a-Arialist

      “They are the only animal to domesticate themselves”

      Actually not. Recent research is suggesting that dogs also domesticated themselves.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 3:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.3   Jenn bang

      Dogs have been selectively bred to an extreme point where few actually look like their wolf predecessors. Cats on the other hand are almost identical to their pre-domesticated ancestors.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 5:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.4   missy13d69

      Wolves and dogs are related, but only a small percentage of dog breeds actually come from wolf lines. Dogs and wolves are both Canis species. Cats and dogs have both been bred to an extreme point that they seldom resemble their pre-domesticated ancestors.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 3:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.5   Vulpis

      Actually, Jenn!, you have that backwards. Modern humans are obviously the end result of a successful domestication program by the cats. Though they did have to compete with the dolphins for a while, as both programs used the ‘make cute sounds and do acrobatics to signal the human to give me food’ as their conditioning.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 8:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.6   before/after doesn't matter

      @ The Elf – please make a point to inform your in-law that poisoning animals is animal abuse which is a crime but since IT doesn’t particularly care so much for the law, I can only hope IT gets caught.

      Oh, what I would do! Before the lyme, that is . . .

      Sep 25, 2012 at 12:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.7   a-Arialist

      Jenn – just because dogs have been selectively bred since domestication doesn’t change how they were domesticated in the first place.

      Research the Siberian fox experiments.

      Sep 25, 2012 at 4:05 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.8   The Elf

      Oh, if only that would stop him, Before/After. If only.

      Sep 25, 2012 at 6:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.9   shepd

      Sorry, but unless you want to pay for regular deworming and vet bills for removing dead botflies from my cat’s neck, this second cat will not be an outdoor cat.

      That and the rats are half the size of my damn cat if the holes have anything to do with it.

      And I doubt the neighbour is going to stop laying out poison because I let my cat out, leading to additional medical bills when his silly face eats it. :-S

      Also, letting cats roam in a city is illegal, or at a minimum it is illegal here, although most people ignore it.

      Sep 25, 2012 at 7:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #18   ano

    I wish my neighbours cat would stop coming into my yard. He harasses my rabbits and teases my indoor cat.
    I’ve set up some deterrants and raised the fence height. It’s coming up to spring so I’m going to be spraying my plants. All I hope is he doesn’t eat them because he’ll get sick. Maybe I can write a note on his collar letting them know to TRY and keep him inside for the week I’m doing garden care.

    Which honestly, most people wouldn’t warn. But I don’t want him to die or get sick because the owners won’t keep their cat on their property. This is a city. It’s NOT safe to let him in my yard. What if I get a dog? It might not be cat friendly. I’d feel horrible if it got the cat, but it would be their fault for letting it roam into my enclosed yard.

    Sep 24, 2012 at 3:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   Brian

      The best you can do is warn your neighbors that you’re spraying your plants / getting a dog / etc.

      Odds are the dog will keep the cat away, but some toxins smell really good to animals.

      In all, I find the “indoor / outdoor” debate to be a bit silly. There is no objectively clear answer, as it’s a quality vs. quantity of life thing. My cats are indoors because I lived on a Main Street when they were little, and by the time I moved to the suburbs they were firmly indoor cats. This doesn’t make me a better or worse ‘cat daddy’ than anyone else.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 10:12 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #19   Ashes

    Sometimes I wonder if posting something to Passive-Agressive notes is passive agreeive…
    Like, why couldn’t you go talk to this person about their cat sneaking into your apartment instead of taking pictures of him and posting them online?
    Endless cycle, people.

    Sep 24, 2012 at 11:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.1   The Elf

      I suppose it is, but it is to the amusement of us all, so I’m cool with it.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #20   JoDa

    I have to side with the submitter here, that this ends up being passive-aggressive. I generally agree that it is fine to tell people not to feed an outdoor cat, particularly one with a collar and tags (though I don’t see the ownership tags on this boy?), because many people will go ahead and feed outdoor cats when they beg. But when the cat is “stealing” food that you never intended them to have, through no fault of your own outside of opening your OWN DOOR OR WINDOW, then it’s up to the owner of the sneaky cat to take action and prevent the cat from roaming to find food it doesn’t need. I have had many cats jump up onto my patio to steal my dog’s food when I’ve taken him outside to enjoy breakfast on the patio. Not only does that annoy me endlessly because he does not like kitties and goes completely ape-shit when one invades his space, but I had no intention of feeding the cat, only my dog, and with expensive food, to boot. And then when both I and my dog who is trying to make that cat his dessert try to chase the cat away, it hisses and swipes at us, because, well, it’s entitled to that food and humans are just supposed to be okay with that. Yeah…not okay. Just FYI, I don’t pull my dog back in these situations, so if he ends up killing your cat because it invaded my property to steal food not intended for him, well, I guess if the cat has tags I’ll just leave him in a shoebox on your doorstep… Without tags, I’ll just put him in the trash.

    Sep 24, 2012 at 9:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #20.1   Nicki

      So how is the cat owner supposed to know that the cat is sneaking in and stealing food, as opposed to being fed intentionally?

      Sep 24, 2012 at 10:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #20.2   Poltergeist

      I’m not supporting other people’s pets invading your property and stealing from you, but not intervening if possible when your dog is killing an animal that is potentially somebody’s pet is a really shitty thing to do. Tell me, what if it was a small dog that had accidentally gotten loose instead? Would you simply stand by as it was slaughtered? Don’t try to spite and punish your neighbors by allowing their pet to die.

      Sep 24, 2012 at 11:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #20.3   Cats are amazing, sentient beings

      It doesn’t sound like you have much experience w/cats. Is it possible the cat was left by a neighbor who moved and it’s just trying to survive? Sprinkle some hot sauce around and the cat won’t come around anymore, unless it’s starving.

      Sep 25, 2012 at 12:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #20.4   Jessi

      “So how is the cat owner supposed to know that the cat is sneaking in and stealing food, as opposed to being fed intentionally?”

      Well, if they keep it indoors, they won’t have to worry, now will they?

      Sep 25, 2012 at 2:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #21   The Elf

    Isn’t aristocratic excess and hours of idleness something you’d expect from a cat named Byron? He probably charms all the ladies into giving him what he wants. Don Juan Gato indeed.

    Sep 25, 2012 at 6:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #22   Michele

    How about KEEP YOUR CAT INDOORS where it’s safer and he doesn’t torture wild animals and baby birds?

    Sep 25, 2012 at 4:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #22.1   Thunder McKing

      Why not let all cats live outdoors? Apparently coyotes are all over the place, so they will keep the cat population in check. Cats will keep bird population in check. Let all animals live outside. From the beginning of time, they’ve lived outside. When they need shelter from rain, they’ll find it. Besides, I don’t hear anyone complaining about the number of insects and rodents being victimized by birds. Let’s lock birds inside! Who will be the voice of the earthworms???Wait, why are earthworms living outside? Take them inside where they’ll be safe from the parasites pooped into the ground by outdoor cats!

      Sep 26, 2012 at 2:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #22.2   Valerie

      Thunder McKing, you are my hero! Will you lock all the people inside for me, too, so they can’t get on my nerves? And take away their internetz?

      Sep 27, 2012 at 1:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #23   Stephanie

    Keeping cats inside is ideal, yes, but not always possible. There is no flyscreen in the windows of my house. If a window is open, the cat is gone. With all the windows closed, she’d probably die of heat exhaustion.
    Just.. don’t feed other peoples pets. Is that so obscene a proposal?

    Sep 26, 2012 at 5:50 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.1   The Elf

      Why not get a fly screen?

      Sep 26, 2012 at 7:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #23.2   Ann

      Or a fan?

      Sep 27, 2012 at 4:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #24   JB

    Anyone who understands basic feline nutrition does not feed their cat dry food, and it’s possible the cat’s owner doesn’t want the cat in junk food that is going to negatively impact its health. I agree that this would be best solved by keeping the cat indoors, but beyond that I completely understand not wanting others to feed your cat unhealthy kibble.

    Sep 26, 2012 at 12:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #25   Ann

    Is an apostrophe not an option in the tag maker? And if not, why not write “do not”?

    I’d like to see this escalate into a passive-aggressive note war conducted via the cat. You know, have someone make him a tag that says “Don’t let him out, then.” And so on. Maybe throw in one in Comic Sans to get that war going, too (“Do not create custom pet tags in Comic Sans”).

    Sep 27, 2012 at 4:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #26   Jill

    It’s just winter fur!

    Sep 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #27   Amanda

    Our next door neighbors have this cat that is one of those “king of the neighborhood” types. He saunters all over the place, and acts like cars speeding down the street are just in his way. He’s not an indoor/outdoor cat because his owners want him that way; he’s an indoor/outdoor cat because he chooses to be. Apparently keeping him inside is impossible, as he’ll bolt out the door the second it’s opened. He also won’t use the litter box and will pee in the house. His owners buy him a new collar at least once a month, but he somehow manages to get it off. We made the mistake of giving him a cat treat once when we mistakenly thought he was abandoned by the previous owners of our home, and now he never stops begging for food. This 25 pound beast of a cat acts like he’s never been fed and never received a tummy rub in his life. He manages to bust his way into our house at least twice a week, which pisses my (completely afraid of the outdoors) cat off to no end. All in all, though, we don’t mind him, since he manages to rid our yard of gophers for us.

    Long story short: all cats are different. Some are just stubborn outdoor beasts and will always be that way.

    Sep 28, 2012 at 2:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #28   AlfaCowboy

    Wandering and stray cats are the same as raccoons, possums, rats, etc. If you want a domesticated animal, take responsibility for it. It’s not your neighbors’ job to monitor your cat’s diet, clean up its poop or make certain it’s safe. Unattended cats getting into my garbage, crapping in my yard and breeding under my porch are varmints, period. Cat owners who let their cats roam and crap everywhere get zero respect from me. They’re simply lazy folks who want a pet without responsibility. I hate them.

    Oct 4, 2012 at 11:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #29   Brillig

    Someone needs to make a compilation of the US/Europe indoor/outdoor cat debates that happens on here *every time* anything cat-related comes up.

    I wouldn’t have considered letting our cat out in Virginia because: rabies, crazy teens with guns, very cat unfriendly neighbourhood design, very large houses. I don’t know that there’s anywhere in the UK I’d consider it humane to keep a cat cooped up indoors permanently.

    Oct 8, 2012 at 9:07 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up


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