Happy Moving!

March 4th, 2013 · 167 comments

Writes Chelsa in Canada: “My first night moving in, I couldn’t find the bolts to put my bed frame back together, so I had to unpack some boxes and it was about 10 p.m. before I found them and could set up my bed. Moving sucks, right? Apparently at 10 p.m. on Saturday night, screwing in 8 bolts is THE WORST thing a person can do. This note was on my door in the morning.”

Good Morning! We noticed that you moved in last night. Welcome to the building! We also noticed that you are very handy with power tools; you like to build furniture and drag it and other things across hardwood floors. All we ask is that you could please refrain from doing these things after dark. Unfortunately for everyone this building is not in the least soundproof. We are also hoping that it's not too much to ask for you to not wear shoes across the hardwood floors; it's much louder for us than it is for you. We know we may be loud from time to time, but we will always try to be respectful of our neighbours. All we ask if for the same in return. Happy Moving :)


related: The Neighborhood Warning Wagon

FILED UNDER: Canada · neighbors · noise · smiley

167 responses so far ↓

  • #1   Mark

    Not wearing shoes in the apartment? Ha ha ha. This is why I always live on the top floor.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   Roto13

      Wearing shoes at home is gross.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.2   kermit

      So you’re going to go barefoot to work (or wherever) and put your shoes on there?

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.3   H for Toy

      I kept leaving my shoes outside, because someone told me wearing shoes in the house was gross. I figured out that wearing wet and moldy shoes was grosser.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.4   L

      You take your shoes off at the door. Why is this a hard concept?

      Unless you have indoor shoes, street shoes don’t go past my door. Because SNOW.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 4:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.5   pooham

      I always go barefoot at home. It gives my toes a chance to stretch out. :)

      And if it’s cold they can enjoy some very comfortable slippers!

      Mar 4, 2013 at 4:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.6   H for Toy

      I actually wear slippers around the house, I just thought Kermit’s comment was funny.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 4:47 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.7   kermit

      Oh, for the love of trombone lessons.

      If you have shoes on when you’re leaving the house, you’re wearing shoes inside the house. L, if I ever come to your house, sorry but I’m not leaving my shoes outside in the snow.

      Now excuse me, I have to attend a “trombone lesson”, as it where. *cough* Why no, I don’t have noisy neighbors, and this is note is not a sore point for me at all. No siree, bob. *cough*

      Mar 4, 2013 at 5:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.8   nurgleth

      It is always very fascinating to me that it’s not common in America to take your shoes off inside the house.
      Here we just leave them in the corridor if we don’t have a mudroom, so weather isn’t really an issue.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 6:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.9   L

      WHO said you have to leave them outside? You walk inside the door. You take them off inside. You keep going for the rest of the house. And if you come to my house, you’re not walking around in your shoes. You walk into the house, you close the door, you take your shoes off, you leave them there on the matt with all the other shoes, or you don’t come in. You’re not tracking mud or dirt or snow into my house. Not to mention if you have carpet, that’s disgusting.

      Seriously what’s with people not getting this concept???? It’s not hard.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 7:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.10   Jami

      My shoes don’t come off until I’m in my bedroom. I have bunion straighteners that slip around if I don’t have shoes on.

      Mom has to wear shoes in the house because it allows her to be steadier.

      And I say replace that nasty hardwood with carpet. Cuts down on the noise for one thing.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 8:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.11   ZombieUnicorns

      Yup, I agree! If they don’t like it, then they should take steps to soundproof their apartment, or request to move upstairs. There’s a reason the lower units typically cost less than the uppers, and I’ll be damned if my neighbor is going to dictate whether or not I wear shoes in my own home.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 9:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.12   kermit

      *patiently awaits for L to remove his/her sense of humor from the herpes fridge and receive visitors with extremely stinky feet into their home*

      Mar 4, 2013 at 9:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.13   Roto13

      Wow, an alarming number of people are confused by the concept of taking your shoes off in your house. Like, seriously.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 10:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.14   Judith

      To be fair to Chelsea, a time when there are likely to be loose screws on the floor and you’re handling heavy objects is a BAD time to be barefoot in your apartment. After you’ve moved in, mopped the floor, and laid down your rugs, you can implement the No Shoes rule; but while assembling furniture, it is quite advisable to have foot protection.

      By left big toe can attest to this.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 7:12 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.15   harold

      Yeah, I agree that’s it seems like some people have a hard time understanding: Their custom not my custom. Oh wait, that was you.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 7:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.16   The Elf

      My shoes are the first thing that come off when I get home. It’s a comfort thing, plus it has the benefit of keeping the floors cleaner. I don’t insist that my guests do it too, but I find that most do. They get left in the little foyer, which is nicely tiled and easy to clean.

      For apartment living, carpeting with thick underpadding would eliminate a lot of foot traffic noise, whether you wear shoes or not. I am always puzzled why apartment building owners like to use thin carpeting or hard floors – You prefer the noise complaints?

      But I agree with Judith – wearing shoes while moving furniture/assembling furniture is just common sense, regardless of your personal preferences towards shoes in the house.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 8:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.17   Tess

      Am I the only person around here who doesn’t have shoes covered in dirt and mud when I get home? Maybe it’s just where I live, but I mean… I walk around an office all day in my chucks, then I go home. Often I don’t immediately take off my shoes because of any number of reasons. You people are anal.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 8:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.18   My name is Princess!

      I’ve purchased slippers for 2nd floor shoe wearers and heavy foot walkers before.

      …. Doesn’t help with the heavy padfoots with two ton tails though. Thump thump thump thump.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 9:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.19   Nomnom

      I too am alarmed that people don’t seem to really get the concept that you come in the door and you take off your shoes at the door. You don’t leave them outside. You leave them by the door.

      I will say that I grew up in a household where we did not wear shoes in the house and I find it really weird that people wear shoes in the house. I don’t even like wearing shoes in other people’s houses! If I come over I am very likely to take my shoes off immediately! I live in a climate that doesn’t get snow – it is not an issue of keeping the place clean, though I do not like to step on carpet with shoes because I feel I’m getting it dirty. It is a comfort thing to me. I go barefoot or if my feet get cold (again rare – no snow) I put on socks. If you have a medical condition where shoes are advantageous then that’s another thing. But I, as an American, find it weird when people wear shoes in the house and don’t immediately shed them at the door. And even though I don’t have a rule about guests taking off their shoes at the door, if I notice them keeping their shoes on I will say something like “you can take your shoes off you know”.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 9:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.20   I like my shoes

      I always feel obligated to take my shoes off when people break out the line ” you can take your shoes off you know”

      But to be totally honest, I’m then in moderate to severe discomfort for the rest of the visit. My feet have no natural arch at all, and standing around without my shoes on becomes very painful over time.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 10:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.21   Rattus

      Hmmm. The comfort of my visitors, or the cleanliness of a floor that I can run a mop over anytime? What to do, what to do? I think I’ll go with the comfort of my visitors and allow them to keep their shoes on or take them off, whichever option tickles their fancy.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 11:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.22   Mercy

      I get the concept but I have smelly, sweaty feet and am always super embarrassed when I have to take off my shoes in someone else’s house. I run to the bathroom and wash my feet but still… and yes I use foot powders and all that but what can I say, my feet sweat O_o

      Mar 5, 2013 at 12:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.23   Turbo

      I have to wear medical orthotics or suffer severe foot pain. My shoes stay on and my floors look fine.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 8:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.24   Guest

      I’m a student in the UK and, at the moment, when I’m home, shoes come off at the door 90% of the time, when I’m at uni, I’ll often leave them on until I get to my room or even longer unless they’re really dirty or wet. Next year, when I live on my own, I’ll probably leave my slippers by the door so I can change into them straight away but at the moment, with two of us in a small flat, it’s not practical to have a row of shoes by the door.
      I know what it’s like about the hardwood floors as well, my flatmate comes in sometimes and clomps across them loudly at 2 in the morning. I would agree about the wearing shoes for doing diy type stuff though, I’d have been wearing my steel toed safety boots!!

      Mar 6, 2013 at 2:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.25   Canadian bang

      I’m not here to comment on other people’s customs, but in my part of Canada, (where it is snowy/rainy/muddy at least half the year) everyone I know takes off their shoes at the door. If they want to wear shoes indoors they change their outdoor shoes for indoor shoes. It’s not a big deal. Perfectly normal request from a Canadian apartment dweller, in my opinion.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 12:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.26   shepd

      Shoes off in Canada is common. Heck, I even take them off at the dentist’s, which I’m told is no longer common, but once was. :D

      I don’t get any funny looks when I do it, though, so they clearly don’t think I’m insane.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.27   JoDa

      I’m with the foot problem folks. If someone doesn’t allow shoes in their home, I’m happy to oblige, but shoes are welcome in my house and mine only come off before bed. I also have all hard floors, and they’re cold, too, which just adds to the discomfort of multiple foot problems with really long and technical names. But, the beauty of the hard floors is that a quick wipe will clean them up nicely, and a little mat by the door gives a nice place to wipe feet before coming in (even my dog is trained to wipe his feet if it’s wet…no, I’m not joking, he doesn’t like wet paws OR towels, so I trained him to wipe and we’re both happy).

      The only request I’ve ever made, w/r/t shoes and upstairs neighbors is to avoid high heels at sleeping hours. That’s always been enough for me, and the neighbors in question have always considered that a reasonable request (even if they would occasionally forget on a random night out…generally if it’s a Friday or Saturday night, I don’t have to be up in the morning anyway, and on the RARE occasion they were really blasted and clicking around for a while VERY late, a quick text of “hey, sounds like you had an awesome night, I’ve got Gatorade if you need it in the morning…would you mind switching to tennies?” worked like a charm). I guess I’d investigate ear plugs or top floors if I were more sensitive than that.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 2:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.28   halcat

      Does nobody have dogs? Wearing shoes into the house after normal wear (no mud, snow, etc) is the least of my floor’s worries.

      Mar 7, 2013 at 7:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #2   fuzzbutt

    WOW, In that case, I would make a point of noisy shoes, dragging a couch around and purposefully running the vacuum every night from 10pm to 11pm. After all, that is when most people go to sleep.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   Nony

      For such asshattery, you’d get non-renewed. Then you’d have to pay lots of money and go through lots of effort to move.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 6:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.2   PinkPlaidRibbon

      Why is is when people feel other people are complaining, they decide to be extra annoying just to bother the person more? Seriously? That’s not very mature. Sure, the note writer may be unreasonable, but that’s no reason to be an ass yourself.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 10:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #3   rush

    Uhh, team Chelsa. Obviously, she isn’t planning on moving furniture every night for the duration of her lease.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   The Elf

      Exactly. Give her a one day grace period, huh?

      Mar 4, 2013 at 2:47 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.2   Piddlesticks

      I’m actually team notewriter on this one. She didn’t HAVE to set up her bed with a drill at 10pm. It’s not like your mattress stops being a mattress if you put it on the floor for one night. Yea, consideration should be given for the moving, but you’re also new to the area, don’t be running power tools around 10 at night.

      Mar 12, 2013 at 1:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #4   Tom

    She knows that Chelsea just moved in, yet somehow believes that she plans to continue making moving-in type noises daily? Didn’t even give a person a few days leeway to get set up house and become quiet, no ma’am!

    I won’t haggle the 10pm saturday on any other day, that’s between you and quiet hours rules. I’m just annoyed at her presumption. After all, 5 minutes of drill noise so a person can sleep in their own bed after a hard day’s moving isn’t too much to ask. It’s not going to happen every night forever.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #4.1   ramentastic

      Re: Quiet hours – the note-writer didn’t say “please refrain from doing these things so late at night”, s/he said “please refrain from doing these things AFTER DARK”!! SO, when it’s the middle of winter and it gets dark at 4:30pm you can’t make any noise the rest of the evening?

      I agree, the note-writer is presumptuous and, dare I say, kind of a jerk.
      Team Chelsea!

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #4.2   JoDa

      That’s exactly what I was thinking, Ramen. It gets dark here between 5 PM (winter) and 8:30 PM (summer) and neither of those times are extreme for some moving-in noise. If they said 10 or 11 PM, then I’d be more understanding. We had a neighbor who decided that she was going to do all of her moving herself, which resulted in her hauling things up stairs and moving them around as late as 3 AM for days on end, which is totally unacceptable (and then had the audacity to complain one day when I had to leave for the airport at 4:30 AM and was “disturbed” by my suitcase wheels clicking over the sidewalk for 30 seconds to get in the cab), but “dark” is not the marker of absolute silence.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 2:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #5   sicsemper


    The Gestapo Welcoming Committee :)

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   Jitty


      Fuck you, notewriter

      Mar 4, 2013 at 10:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #6   Dantebenuto

    hey, you’re moving in? Congratulations and welcome to the building! Please don’t do things normally associated with moving in to a new place, it bothers us.


    Those who have already moved in.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #7   Steve

    Nobody said it was “THE WORST” thing to do. I side with the writer of this note – you’ve got to nip this stuff in the bud, or else it’ll continue – and then when it comes to a head, the offending person will ask, “Why didn’t you let me know I was bothering you sooner?!”

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   Tom

      I plan to take apart and drill my bed back together every night. I prefer to do it around 10-11 pm right before I sleep. Assembling my bed every night reassures me that all the screws are in place and it won’t fall apart while I’m sleeping. If I lose a screw I just put on my steel-toe boots and jump up and down on the floors. That makes the screw bounce so I can see where it fell. After that I have to do the whole reassembling process over again just to be really sure.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 2:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.2   Steve

      She might not need to build her furniture every night, but her “C’mon – you can’t blame me!” attitude in her introduction and “THE WORST” hyperbole tells me she wouldn’t have a problem making noise late at night even after she’s moved in.

      Your perspective here probably depends on whether you’ve been an upstairs or downstairs apartment renter. I’ve been a downstairs twice, and I can tell you – people need to know what affect they’re having or they won’t be conscious of it, and won’t change the things they can change.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 2:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.3   Jeanette

      Then you go to your neighbor’s door, introduce yourself and say something like “Hey, I noticed you were up kind of late last night. Is there anything I can do to help?”.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.4   Steve

      No… you might do that. I wouldn’t. I’d be trying to sleep.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 2:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.5   kermit

      No, Steve, you’d be trying to dictate that another person can wear shoes in their own apartment.

      If you consider walking in shoes noisy, you don’t know what it really means to be noisy.

      Blaring “Scarface” at 1AM to the point that the wall starts to vibrate is noise. Noise that makes you get up to knock on your neighbor’s door 1AM – even though you know damn well you’re half their size – is noise.

      Somebody re-arranging their furniture or walking around a few feet is not noise.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.6   kermit

      Tom – Have you considered doing it just once, recording it and playing it really loudly on your tv / stereo instead? Same effect, less manual labor for you.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.7   Steve

      I agree on the shoes issue – the note-writer lost some ground by asking that one.

      But no – rearranging – even building – your furniture? That’s not noise? Can they do demolition as well, and that’s not noise?

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.8   H for Toy

      Tom, I’ve found that the rubber soles on steel-toed boots don’t work nearly as well as tap shoes do.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.9   H for Toy

      But… if you can find something with the weight of the boots and the noise of the tap shoes, you’re golden!

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.10   kermit

      Can’t you screw the metal bits of the tap shoes onto the boots? (This assumes that you have tap shoes to begin with, but still)

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:47 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.11   Hillary

      No need to “nip it in the bud or else it will continue” when the “it” in question was just due to her moving. That’s silly.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 4:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.12   Ethel

      I think waiting until the morning and sleeping on the mattress on the floor would have been the right thing to do. I do blame her for deciding 10pm is a good time to start that work, most cities have 8pm and at the latest 10pm for that sort of noise pollution – just because it is within an apartment building does not make it okay. Respect other people and have a sense of time.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 4:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.13   Steve

      Why would you assume she’s moving into a new place the same day she’s moving out of another apartment? Is that how you do it? Cram it all into one day? I gave myself a three week switchover when I moved from one apartment to another.

      The “it” may have been caused by her moving, but you can bet it won’t end there. Someone that inconsiderate on the first day they’re in a new building isn’t going to suddenly respect their neighbors in the future.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.14   snarchitect

      Three weeks? Lucky you. It’s a lot harder to do that in some situations and some places.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 8:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.15   ZombieUnicorns

      She just moved in, you wouldn’t give her a day before you start whining and making silly demands? I mean, go ahead and complain about your neighbor like that right off the bat, but you’re going to come across as a total a-hole, and as some people have already proved in the comments, you may make it more difficult for yourself if the recipient of your silly letter decides to show you just how annoying of a neighbor they can be.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 9:40 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.16   kermit

      Steve, you sound like you’ve moved only once in your life.

      If you want a 3 week window to move stuff from one place to another, chances are extremely high that you’ll have to pay rent in both your old place and your new place. If you can afford that, chances are you can afford an army of moving men to move everything for you in a few hours.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 10:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.17   Steve

      I could afford it, because it made my life easier. But no on the army of moving men – I saved that money by slowly moving my own stuff over the course of those three weeks. See?

      Mar 5, 2013 at 3:54 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.18   kermit

      You’re too far deep in the herpes fridge for me, Steve. Sorry, man.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 8:44 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.19   H for Toy

      Herpes Fridge as a euphemism: Yes!

      Mar 5, 2013 at 11:44 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.20   nikki

      Good Lord Steve. Three weeks? I’ve moved my stuff gradually over the course of a weekend or even part of a week, but not three weeks. Most people don’t have the luxury of enough income to pay rent on two places at the same time. Also, moving sucks. It can be hard to convince people to help you move one time, let alone coming over repeatedly to move stuff over the course of three weeks.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 11:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.21   redheadwglasses

      I”ve moved a lot in my life, starting with age 1.

      And only ONCE did I get the lovely benefit of having a large cushion of a move-in period, and that was just a few months ago, NOvember 2012. I’m 45. So for the first time in 44 years of moving, I finally had that buffer zone of packing and moving.

      THe rest of the time it was a one-day thing. Many apartments require renters to be out by noon on the last day of the month. And then they can’t move in until 8 a.m. on the first. Or some other similar restrictions may be in place.

      Steve, you’re not living int he same world the rest of us live in.

      And as a first-floor renter in a 120-year-old fourplex with hardwood floors, LW’s downstairs neighbors can go fuck themselves with a piece of her bed frame. They are being completely unreasonable by leaving such a snotty note one day after she’s moved in.

      THey are assholes.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 12:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #8   Lisa

    Geez, welcome to the f-ing building, eh?

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #9   Bibi

    After they pointed out that Chelsa is “handy with power tools”, I thought the next bullet point would be, “Go ahead and remove the hardwood floors, as they cause us much distress.”

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #10   Nope

    Team neighbors. How about after listening to you clump around all day/night moving in, instead of being selfish, you give them a break and sleep on your mattress on the floor and put the bed together the next day?

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   Steve

      Yep. How much do you want to bet she spent the whole afternoon putting off setting up the bed, only doing it when she was ready to sleep? You know she didn’t just pop into the unit an hour earlier.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 2:54 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.2   kermit

      How much do you want to bet that she spent the whole afternoon moving her stuff from her old place into the new place, Steve?

      Most places require you to vacate your old apartment by 3PM, so that your soon to be ex-landlord can inspect the place and charge you for damages. So you’re getting out of there by say, 4PM. Add to this the transportation time from old place to new place, and yes it can easily be 10PM before you’re putting your bed together. Quite frankly I don’t know in what odd little world you live in where the bed is the first thing you assemble. You don’t need a table and chairs to have dinner on first? The bed is your priority?

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.3   tammy

      WOW, excellent reading comprehension there Steve… Chelsea states:
      “My first night moving in, I couldn’t find the bolts to put my bed frame back together, so I had to unpack some boxes and it was about 10 p.m. before I found them and could set up my bed”
      She didn’t “spend the whole afternoon putting off setting up the bed, only doing it when she was ready to sleep”

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.4   Stephen

      Yeah, I know you’ve been moving and unpacking all day and probably all you want to do is sleep in your own bed, but why don’t YOU try not being selfish and sleep on the floor so I can rewatch this Law & Order episode without interruption.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.5   Steve

      Tammy, come on. She had her shit in the place and whether it was laziness or absentmindedness, she didn’t open the boxes she needed to find the bolts – if that’s even true – she didn’t think about finding what she needed, didn’t make a move toward getting the bed together earlier.

      And even if that was an oversight, it’s your own mistake. You don’t make everyone else suffer because you “forgot” that you’d need a bed to sleep in – or you assumed that you’d have all the pieces and would put it together in no time. Idiot.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 5:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.6   Tom

      Steve, you make an awful lot of negative assumptions off of very little data. Do you need a cookie and a glass of milk to calm down?

      Mar 4, 2013 at 8:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.7   Leaping Lizard

      Geez-Louis Steve! You’ve got some crazy pants assumptions going on there! Moving is stressful, exhausting, and very difficult. Often, things get jumbled, or you forget where you put some things. When you finally get all your shit into your new place, three things are priority: 1. shower; 2. food; 3. sleep. And yes, most people I know move out of their old place and into the new place in the same day! Why? Because moving sucks, so why drag it out? Also U-hauls are expensive to keep for several days at a time. Oh, and who wants to pay 3 weeks of overlapping rent??!

      I feel for the downstairs neighbors; I once lived under a family who worked nights and decided that 1-3am was the perfect time to vacuum. And they were very thorough vacuumers. Had Chelsea’s noise-making been an ongoing problem, always after dark, I could be team note-writer. But it was her FIRST night…so….cut the kid a break, huh?

      Mar 4, 2013 at 8:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.8   Jen

      I’m with Nope, I would have gone for the mattress-on-the-floor route too out of courtesy.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 11:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.9   Snicklefritz

      I’m team throw the mattress on the floor and get some shuteye. Not because I care about my whiney ass neighbors downstairs, but because I’m a bit of a lazy pants when it comes to assembling furniture and using power tools late at night.
      Plus, there’s always a possibility that I just might put the drill through my hand because I’m exhausted from moving all day.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 9:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.10   Steve

      I probably make about as many assumptions as the rest of you who instantly side with Chelsea.

      This whole note/thread is a nice litmus test for to see who values their own comfort over others’. And even if you’re selfish like that, just for practical purposes in getting along with your neighbors in the future, you should take the hit and sleep on the mattress on the floor. I’m guessing Chelsea didn’t even consider that option.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 2:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.11   Leaping Lizard

      Steve, you KNOW she is only moving because she was evicted for her constant bed-assembling compulsion – IF it’s even been medically assessed. And I’m sure she deliberately packed each bolt into a different box so it would take longer to unpack, if she even remembered that her bed required bolts! Actually, she probably forgot, so she had to forge them in her fireplace using melted pots and pans. (Good thing she could find that forging hammer!) You know she wasn’t doing anything productive until around 9:30pm; only after she did her nails, talked on the phone and read Cosmo allllll dayyyyyy…because she certainly wasn’t physically lifting all that she possesses from one location to another, nor could she have had any valid explanation whatsoever.

      There, now we’re even, Steve(n). ;)

      Mar 5, 2013 at 5:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.12   redheadwglasses

      Because someone putting their bed together at 10 p.m. on a SATURDAY is not that noisy or unreasonable. I put my own bed together in about 15 minutes. I”m sure hers didn’t take her an hour.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 12:35 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.13   ANO

      Steve clearly only cares about himself and has failed the “don’t be a selfish douchebag” test

      Mar 7, 2013 at 11:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #11   Reese

    That note writer is an idiot. She couldn’t handle 10 minutes of inconvenience? It’s not like the girl is going to be assembling a bed every single night.

    When I bought my new condo, I got new kitchen cabinets installed and we threw the old ones away in the dumpster. Someone in the building put a note under my door telling me that I shouldn’t put things like that in the dumpster and it filled up their dumpster and if I did it again I’d have to pay to have the company come and do a second pick up of the trash. I sure wish I had a picture of that note. It was before the days of this website. It was like, “uhh, don’t worry, I don’t plan on installing a new set of cabinets every week…”

    If people recognize that it’s something that the new person will obviously not be doing every day, the neighbor should keep their mouth shut.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.1   Kelsey

      Who’s to say you’re not doing a renovation?

      Mar 4, 2013 at 2:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.2   Lizzy500 bang

      I’m team notewriter in that case. You don’t put renovation waste in a dumpster, because 1) it isn’t household trash and may need different disposal and 2) it DOES fill up the whole damn thing and IS inconsiderate of everyone else in the building. You should’ve hauled the cabinets away yourself, or had your contractor do it. Ditto for when you buy new furniture and want to throw the old couch away.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 8:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #11.3   redheadwglasses

      Yeah, I’m with LIzzy on this. I hate when after Christmas when the community dumpster is FULL (overflowing, really) with huge empty boxes, keeping people from being able to toss actual garbage into the dumpster. AFter I moved and had a lot to throw away, I kept it in my unit and my parking stall and put small amounts in the dumpster for about a month.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 12:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #12   kermit

    Looks like Chelsa needs some trombone lessons!

    Mar 4, 2013 at 2:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #13   Frederick Jordan

    How about the neighbours mention it to her face the next day if it’s that much of a concern instead of writing a fucking note? If it’s such a big deal, surely it warrants some face-to-face contact. Pussies.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 3:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #13.1   Chris

      Yeah. That always works out well.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #13.2   The Elf

      In my experience, talking to people face to face does generally work out better than leaving notes. Sure, there are always psychos, but most of the time people don’t want the confrontation and take a politely delivered reasonable request well.

      You know what also works out? Determining patterns of behavior. One noisy night is not a pattern. If you know that this neighbor is generally quiet, then you know that any excess noise is an exception. That makes it a lot easier to live with. At the same time, if one late night furniture assembling led to a second late night blaring music while unpacking which led to a late night housewarming party, you know you have a problem and you’ll want to talk to the neighbor to nip that in the bud before it becomes a way of life.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 8:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #14   libraryman

    Little did they know the new neighbor was a tap dancer.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   pooham

      That is such a Farside comment that I immediately looked above it for the cartoon that accompanied it.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 6:07 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #15   scott hall

    I also like how they threw in “we too may be loud from time to time”. Are they aliens trying to sympathize with noisy humans or is it a preemptive excuse for when they aren’t nursing a hangover next weekend?

    Mar 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #15.1   kurt

      I’d take that as, “We’re not saying we’re perfect either, and you’ll probably hear us from time to time. But we won’t be extreme in late hours, doing things that could be done earlier. And even if we did, upstairs neighbors’ sounds are much louder to downstairs neighbors than the other way around.”

      I like the alien idea, though.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #16   Roto13

    I have loud neighbours, both upstairs and next door, and I wish they would all die. But really? A few minutes of noise as soon as they move in is reason to write a bitchy note? Lighten up.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 3:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #17   Les

    If you’ve ever moved, full stop, you should be team Chelsea. Moving does suck. A lot.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 3:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.1   Gayle

      If you’ve ever moved and been considerate to your new neighbors, at your own inconvenience, you’ll be more likely to side with the note-writer.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:29 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.2   kermit

      If “by your own inconvenience” you mean paying moving people to pack your stuff, move it for you and unpack your stuff, then sure.

      But then you’re not really doing the moving because other people are doing the moving and you’re just sitting on your hiney ordering people to work faster and quieter.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #17.3   StephM

      I’ve moved a dozen times and I’m still somewhat team notewriter. They should have skipped the note, but Chelsea should have put together her bed the next day. Putting together furniture is never quiet.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 1:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #18   Terri

    This is a declaration of war.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 3:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   AlyInSebby

      “Thanks Terri!” ;)
      (It had to be done!)

      Mar 4, 2013 at 7:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #19   kmb

    This note writer must be related to my former downstairs neighbor. On my first day moving in, 1pm on a Tuesday, I was putting boxes into the closet so I’d have room to sit down. My downstairs neighbor let himself into my apartment and bitched me out to keep “the f’ing noise down” or he was going to call the cops. That was the moment I should have known the next five years were going to suck. Team Chelsea, definitely. Having to put up with people moving in and out is part of apartment life. Suck it up and deal with it.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.1   Olivia

      to which I would have replied “please do.”

      My bf used to have “Woofer Wars” whenever the neighbours played their Bollywood stuff too loud. But generally they were pretty respectful and didn’t have it playing late.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 4:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.2   Bollyvangelist

      I don’t know… I’m not sure there’s any such thing as “too loud” when it comes to Bollywood.

      But I also engaged in Woofer Wars with my next-door neighbor when we were teenagers living in army quarters.

      Mar 4, 2013 at 4:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #19.3   ZombieUnicorns

      Yikes! I would have told him “Please do call the police, they can arrest you for trespassing!” what a nut!

      Mar 4, 2013 at 9:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #20   ramentastic

    I’m really looking forward to Chelsea’s future contributions to this site. If they write a note the day she moves in to complain I’m positive we will see more gems like this!

    Mar 4, 2013 at 3:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #21   Bee Good

    Dear noise police,
    I pissed on your door nobs and the shoes outside the door. I did it quietly. Happy Cleaning.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 3:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #22   jb

    Having lived under some VERY inconsiderate neighbors who made crazy noise at all hours of the day and night, did step aerobics at 5:00 am and came home noisily drunk EVERY Friday and Saturday night, I can sympathize.

    Also, the shoes in the apartment? Unless you have lived in an OLD apartment with hardwood floors, you have NO IDEA how loud that sounds to the person living below you. Sneakers, not bad. Dress shoes or shoes with hard soles- like a herd of water buffalo tap dancing across the ceiling.

    But the worst was when the neighbor left his pager on the floor of his bedroom, (also above MY bedroom) then went out of town for the weekend. he got a page immediately after he left, and it vibrated every 3-4 minutes until the battery died- 2 days later. I had to sleep in the living room because at night it was incredibly loud and just infrequent enough to wake you up once you started to fall asleep.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 4:54 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #23   pooham

    We need to go back to living in caves where the sound doesn’t transfer as easily from upstairs to downstairs.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 5:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #24   Girlonthefirstfloor

    If you’ve never lived in the downstairs apartment you don’t get to comment. The note is a little over the top but I still feel for them….being the downstairs neighbor can suck.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 5:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #25   Amber

    I’ve lived both upstairs and downstairs, in buildings with carpet and wood flooring. I’m familiar with sound transfer. That said, my last apartment had a spider problem, and if anyone suggested I not wear shoes I would have beat them down with one of my shoes. I had to be ready to stomp at a moment’s notice.

    Although it was fun when one of my neighbors thought I wrote a note about him to a local newspaper’s real estate advice column, and he was so sure it was him (the writer id’ed herself as a youngish woman renting a condo, with a middle aged gentleman who owned his condo next door, in an older building, in our neighborhood; and she didn’t know how to talk to him about the very loud sex noises when he was entertaining). And my neighbor was so concerned that he stopped by to let me know that he had rearranged his bedroom and installed some soundproofing panels along our common wall. And I was all “Oh? I don’t read that particular newspaper. But okay. I mean, I didn’t think you were loud, but thanks!”

    Mar 4, 2013 at 5:43 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   Holy guacamole

      If I’d been below your bespidered residence, I would’ve asked you to keep a rolled up newspaper or magazine at hand. Just as effective without the constant clomping.

      Mar 13, 2013 at 1:24 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #26   Sir Puke

    People walk on the floors with shoes, that is life. If it bothers you, you need to move.
    I have heard people move in and it is noisy, but I didn’t care as I know it is a tiring and taxing process. Now things would be different if the moving noises continued on for each and every day after.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #27   Kelsey

    When she wrote “shoes”, she obviously means any kind of shoe with a hard heel, like dress shoes for men or high heels for women. “Shoes” here does not mean “all foot coverings”.

    Also, if you wrote about trumpets or tap dancing, you have no imagination.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 5:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #28   Thneed

    What I like is how the note writer knew EXACTLY what was making the noise and passed judgement on that.

    “Dragging furniture across the hardwood floor” — yeah, that’s how I always treat my hardwood floors because I just love the scrape marks.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 5:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #29   Deb

    I work midnights,any of you sleep-at-night people have suggestions? Nevermind, I will do what I please and be cognizant of my neighbors, do you think they will show the same courtesy during the day? Right you are because night sleepers are neanderthals!

    Mar 4, 2013 at 6:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.1   The Elf

      If you’re a day sleeper, it pays to have good relations with your immediate neighbors. When my husband last worked midnights, we let the neighbors on either side know. The asked when it would be best to mow the lawn. This was the height of summer, so we said that we understood if they wanted to mow in the early morning when it wasn’t so hot, but we sure would love it if they mowed in the afternoon or evening.

      And damn if they didn’t mostly comply. Because they know if they have a request we’ll try to accomodate it too. Good neighbors are gold.

      If you’re the one whose schedule is out of whack with the rest of the world, you can’t expect the rest of the world to accomodate it. Them’s the breaks. But you can ask for a few reasonable things from those who impact your sleep the most. You might not get it, but you can ask.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 8:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.2   redheadwglasses

      You sound like great neighbors, Elf, and if a neighbor made a request of me like that, I’d do my best to honor it. When I had a third-shift worker living below me, he complained all the time about my TV, playing the guitars (they were not not hooked up to electricity/amps, either–my neighbor next door couldn’t hear a thing). If I had a friend over and we talked, he complained. People that sensitive to noise probably should work first shift.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #30   Smokey

    I live next to a crying baby! The family put the baby’s crib on my bedroom wall! I wake up at 2 A.M and 5:00 A.M. every day to crying. Can I send a note?

    Mar 4, 2013 at 6:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #30.1   guest


      Mar 4, 2013 at 7:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #30.2   sooz

      Yes. Or maybe go over with a small gift to congratulate them on the baby, then mention that the baby’s crib is right next to your bedroom wall. They probably don’t realize that your bedroom is *right* there.

      Really, most parents that have a baby waking up every few hours (mine were every 2 hours, thank goodness we live in a house with no neighbors) are trying desperately to get the baby back to sleep and are already doing all they can to be quiet. But they would probably be more than happy to shift the crib to another wall. Just be nice and polite. That always works better than passive-aggressiveness. :-)

      Mar 4, 2013 at 9:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #31   sockpuppet

    I would tell her to move her ass right back out again—she just got a note announcing that she has total douchebags for neighbors. I predict drama from here on out.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 6:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.1   Tesselara

      Me too! Drama–possibly involving pink pens and glitter.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 10:24 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #32   AMoparGirl

    She JUST moved in! I think she’s done w/the power tools on the bed. Or maybe too many of these notes has caused too many tenants to move in upstairs.

    To each his own, but do NOT tell me what to do in my own home. Never took our shoes off when I was a kid. The shedding dogs died & mom got light colored carpet & now sometimes the shoes come off.

    Gross?? WTH do you people live that you have that much dirt & moldy shoes from the outside? Never saw that much in my 45 years of living…combined.

    And if you have cats or dogs, you’re house isn’t as clean as you think it is, ESPECIALLY with cats using their litter box inside then walking on your floors, furniture & your counter tops when you’re not looking.

    Mar 4, 2013 at 9:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #33   Iwill FindU

    I’m going to make a few assumption here.
    But as a Canadian I’ve never seen people take their shoes on and off well moving for lots of reason 1: takes up so much freaking time if you took your shoes off every time you took a box out to the truck you would take forever. 2 “oh Carl just hold the heavy sofa/bed/whatever all by yourself well I slip on my shoes.” “F you Phil I’m never helping you move again.” 3 Drop that heavy box on your bare foot= broken foot.
    Just because people were wearing shoes inside on moving day doesn’t mean this person is never ever going take their shoes off inside the house. In one freaking day get over note writer.
    Also it’ll take the person moving in what maybe a week to get all their furniture put together if they take their time give them a little grace time for the power tools before you start bitching about that. Also it’s not like people rearrange furniture all the time all the time either. Most people are lazy they find a setup they like and they leave the stuff there forever. They may or may-not move to vacuum under said furniture, but that’s about it.
    So I can’t help with think the note writer is an uppity control freak who can’t take a little expected noise.
    Team Chelsa

    Mar 4, 2013 at 11:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #34   Canthz_B bang

    All this drama, and even before her tap-dancing instructor arrives.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 12:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.1   Tesselara

      You’re back! Good to see you!

      Mar 5, 2013 at 10:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.2   H for Toy

      Hope it’s not just a drive-by. Good to see you around again!

      Mar 5, 2013 at 11:50 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #35   Canthz_B bang

    Power tools? Wait until she comes home hammered and spends half the night getting nailed up there!

    “Bring me easy, Daddy…I think I’m ARRIVING!!!”

    Mar 5, 2013 at 12:45 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.1   The Elf

      Good to see you again CB!

      Mar 5, 2013 at 8:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #36   Carolina

    It seems the mover is a bit of an amateur when it comes to moving your belonging from point A to point B. If you can’t find what you need to put something together during normal hours you wait until the next day. Unless of course you really want to piss of your neighbors who might then make your life a living hell. Your choice really.

    I’ve learned that you disassembled all that needs to be and then take all the screws, put them into a ziploc baggy and put that in my purse. Therefore is no hunting for screws at 10pm.

    Now the demanding she takes her shoes off is just douchebaggery at its finest. I do take my shoes off first thing when I get inside my house but I would never order someone else to do the same in their house.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 1:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #37   Kris

    10pm on a saturday and they are complaining about a little noise? Either douchbags with no lives or just nitpicky.

    Its way too early to be complaining about a noisy neighbor. It was moving day FFS.

    Shoes indoors? Not your place not your call. As for everyone complaining about how filthy it is – Its called wipe your damn feet, vacuum more than once a week and invest in a decent carpet cleaner. Never did it as a kid, had carpet and trust me the DOGS made left more dirt on the carpet than 3 pairs of shoes did.

    As long as your shoes aren’t wed, covered in mud/snow/shit – I really don’t care. Its not like they are going on the furniture.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 2:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #38   Roxanne

    Team Chelsea totally reasonable, the first thing you want to do in a new home is make it feel like a home as fast as possible so it doesn’t disrupt your life!

    As for noisy neighbors my landlady clomping into her office wakes me every morning, I just deal with it. I don’t understand how everyone is so sensitive about noise, get earplugs. At night where I live is deadly quiet (unless the lads across the back are band practicing but that sounds really calming) and I find that worse, it’s creepy to have complete quiet. I live in a street empty of residents except one family above the pub (that shuts at 9pm) all noise stops about 9 it’s awful, so you’re all welcome to swap with me :P

    Mar 5, 2013 at 6:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.1   Gayle

      That’s the first thing you want to do. The first thing you don’t want to do is piss off your neighbors and make them think you’re inconsiderate. So you pick one – Chelsea picked the first option and instantly alienated at least one neighbor. I wonder how things are going for her now?

      Mar 5, 2013 at 7:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #38.2   Seanette

      My only worry about earplugs, having a second-shift worker in the household, is whether they’ll block out the alarm clock.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 2:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #39   tarn

    Team Neither. Or Both, I suppose.
    The note is douchey, they should have waited to see if it happened again. But 10pm is pretty late to start using power tools. Put the mattress on the floor, put the bed together in the morning. Simples!

    I’m a downstairs apartment, and I allowed about a month after moving in for the new(ish) tenants to finish all the hammering & drilling. But it’s been three, and it still happens, usually just as I’m sitting down to supper & tv. Dunno what they’re building, but I wish they’d stop!
    Also they are waaaaay heavy-footed. It sounds like they move everywhere at a run. Starting with a jump off the nearest furniture. In outdoor shoes.. ;-) I never heard this much ‘incidental’ noise with previous tenants, and I know the floor is well carpeted. Also it’s concrete, not floorboards. Beats me how this lot can make that much noise on it, when none of the others did.
    Oh yes, and one of them farts like a trumpet. Often. The kind that’s so loud you just know they really enjoy doing it!
    I keep meaning to ask them to keep the noise down, because they’re probably unaware. But I’ve put it off because I just KNOW I’d mention the farting too. And I just could not keep a straight face…..

    Mar 5, 2013 at 8:48 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #40   Brian

    I’m required by Doctor’s instructions to wear shoes at all times that my feet are touching the floor. (Shoes, not slippers, there must be a sturdy sole) Unless I’m in bed, the shower, or occasionally with my feet up on the couch, I am to have shoes on my feet.

    Having said that, the note writer seems less douche than really bad at being polite. I read it as “I don’t want to make a big deal of this, but would rather nip it in the bud…”.

    Maybe I’m weird though. In my apartment days, I’d help the new tenants move in to get to know them. It would let me ‘feel them out’ and slip in the kind of stuff that ended up in the note before there was a problem. “Hey, just so you know the soundproofing sucks in the building, let me know if I get too loud.”

    Then, if there was a problem, I could go talk to them. “Hey, I hate to complain, but do you think you could practice your Irish Step Dancing later in the day, it makes my apartment sound like a base drum.” (Yes, this actually happened, back when Riverdance was a thing, and I had a weird work schedule.)

    Most importantly, you can’t expect them not to live their life for your convenience. If they need to practice their step dancing, then they will. You can however seek compromise to minimize the impact. (Or in the case of the Riverdancing Neighbor it worked out well, I worked second shift, and he could step away at 10 at night without me noticing.)

    About the only “OK, this stops now” thing I ever experienced was a neighbor who liked his porn, and he liked it loud, at all hours of the day. (Seriously who wakes up and pops in the porn?)

    Mar 5, 2013 at 9:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #41   KittenPlaysTheViolin

    The notewriter should have given the perp a grace period, but I do understand where the frustration comes in. They probably had an obnoxiously loud neighbor previously and wanted to bring attention to the issue immediately. I have lived under a family with small children and big dogs. The hardwood floors were paper thin. Sometimes you just can’t take it anymore. I suggest for anyone with noise issues to always live on the top floor.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #42   yolanda

    In Canada and many European countries, as well as Japan and I know not where else, shoes are for outdoor use. They remain with your coat, scarf, and other outwear. If for some reason your tender tootsies can’t face the flooring alone, get slippers. I had a friend who hated to remove her shoes, insisting they weren’t dirty (funny, she takes them off at home to protect her own floors) but I finally demonstrated on her “clean” shoes with a damp tissue.
    I just don’t see why I should have to clean floors like they’re a public venue just because someone came by to eat my cookies and drink my coffee.
    As to this note, oh my, those neighbors aren’t likely to be friends unless they learn to apologize first. Anyone with sense should know you have to just put up with moving day noises because it’s a rough time for the new tenant! likely the letter writer was some self-important young adult who thinks her six months of independence gives her the right to boss strangers around.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 10:20 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.1   doctordawna

      all slippers I have seen have soft soles. I have feet and back problems that soft soled shoes can irritate. That being said I have never lived above anyone because I can’t stand stairs because of said back problem but even if my roommates are asleep I try to step softly as to not wake them.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 11:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.2   Rattus

      I’m a Canadian who wears her shoes indoors, as does my Canadian husband. I’m also a Canadian who values her friends more than her floor and likes them to be comfortable, so if my Canadian friends wish to wear their Canadian shoes in my Canadian house, than they are welcome to do so.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 1:23 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.3   Ashes

      Thinking of all the times I have accidentally stepped in someone’s spit (or worse!) yeah, people don’t wear their shoes in my home unless they have to (which is never)

      Mar 6, 2013 at 6:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #42.4   Rattus

      I’ve stepped in cat crap in my bare feet before. How do you plan in dealing with that?

      Mar 7, 2013 at 5:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #43   AP

    If the neighbors don’t want to hear evidence of anyone else living nearby, move to a farm. You can’t live in close quarters and demand to have complete silence and no evidence of other humans. It’s absurd.

    I’ve been living in thin-walled apartments for years. People get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. They get respiratory infections and cough their lungs out. They work early shifts and wake up at 4 am. They work late shifts and get home at midnight. They have sex, vacuum, and move furniture around.

    If you’re incapable of getting along with others, BUY A HOUSE.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #43.1   pooham

      Best comment I’ve read so far.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #43.2   Rick

      Right, because people who are renting apartments can suddenly buy houses when they have a complaint, instead of trying to get that complaint resolved.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 2:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #43.3   KittenPlaysTheViolin

      No this is the worst comment so far. You’re one of the obnoxious ones eh? No respect for others eh?

      Mar 6, 2013 at 10:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #43.4   kaetra

      Exactly. Can’t afford a house? Buy some earplugs.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 12:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #43.5   Brian

      While the advice to buy a house is likely impractical for most, there is a point where you’re going to have to learn to deal with stuff, and not make everyone else on the planet responsible for your comfort.

      I’m not going to violate my doctor’s advice by not wearing real shoes. Don’t like it? Tough. You have no right to demand I go out of my way to please you.

      Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #44   Madrias

    As someone who’s lived in a middle apartment all my life (got both upstairs and downstairs neighbors), I’m siding with the one moving in, not the notewriter.

    Why? Because I know there’s a certain amount of noise to be expected when moving in, or when walking around your house.

    The only neighbors who peeve me off are the ones who throw loud obnoxious parties and rattle our windows with booming rap music. I had the satisfaction of waking them up from a hangover with a few war movies.

    Upstairs has 2 children, so I expect noise. So when I hear plastic-wheeled cars rattling along the floor, or stompy-feet, I expect it, tolerate it, and deal with it.

    Don’t like noise? Move out of the apartment, but be courteous to your new neighbors and do it silently.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 10:38 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #44.1   Gayle

      “Don’t like noise? Move out of the apartment.”

      That’s realistic. Put up with needless noise (yes, putting your bed together at 10 pm on the day you move in with a power drill qualifies as needless) or simply move out.

      Mar 5, 2013 at 12:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #44.2   Brian

      Honestly I’m trying to figure out why power tools were needed, bed frames are pre-drilled.

      But let me ask you, why should your economic status place obligations on reasonable activities on my part?

      Mar 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #44.3   Amy In Toronto

      “Move out of the apartment, but be courteous to your new neighbors and do it silently.” <– does this silent moving etiquette originate from the Scientologists? Please, someone confirm by asking Tom Cruise…

      Mar 6, 2013 at 1:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #45   nikki

    Ah, the joy of moving someplace with neighbors eager to write complaint notes. My boyfriend and I moved into an small row of apartments last year and we knew it was going to be trouble when we got cranky notes from two different neighbors within the first week of being there. One because I parked in an unmarked spot in the parking lot, and while none of the spots were officially assigned, the neighbors had all worked out a system of who parks where. A weird old man living next to the parking lot diligently enforced this agreement by staying home all day with his door open to keep an eye on the lot. The second was the dreaded sex noises note after my boyfriend and I celebrated our first night in the apartment. We didn’t realize the walls were thin until our neighbor, who had to work early the next morning, left a really angry note about how disgusting we were. We moved out of there pretty quickly and have nice neighbors now.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 1:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #46   Newbie

    Life sucks get a fucking helmet. Or in this case life is loud get some damned ear plugs.

    On another note, I would just like to gush that I LOVE this site and love your comments.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #47   cowsaysmeow

    There is no reason to put together a bed that requires assembly with power tools at 10pm, weekend or not – you put the mattress on the floor and deal with it in the morning, especially if you’ve been making moving-noises all day and the only reason it wasn’t assembled sooner was because you didn’t think ahead to have the parts readily available. To do otherwise is pretty damned inconsiderate of your new neighbors.
    Having said that? TEAM CHELSEA!!! Any sympathy I had for the neighbor went out the window when the note delved into what to wear in one’s own apartment, not to mention the expectation of total quiet after dark. I live on the 4th floor of a 6-story building, and all of the apartments have hardwood floors. Yeah, it can suck, but I knew what I was getting into, and while I’d be pissed if someone decided to break out the power tools late at night after moving furniture all day, it’s not like it’s going to happen daily and I’d never expect them not to make *any* noise after the sun goes down, that’s just stupid.

    Mar 5, 2013 at 3:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #48   MrsD

    My one and only noise complaint, which was delivered by the resident sheriff, was received while home completely alone (no pets at the time) with the tv off, no stereo, no computer. I was sitting in my apartment, with one little lamp on, reading. I will never understand that. When I told the cop it couldn’t be me he said he had been in the neighbor’s apartment and the noise was definitely coming from our shared wall.

    Oh and it was early evening, maybe around 6:00. So even if I did have a tv a little too loud it is ridiculous to call the cops!

    Mar 5, 2013 at 4:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #48.1   pooham

      Spoooooky!!! Your (or your neighbor’s) apartment may be haunted!

      Mar 5, 2013 at 5:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #49   Tim

    I have lived in a couple of different apartments on my own, and I know that moving can take several hours. If you are moving into a place by yourself, and you have enough help, you can knock out most of the important stuff pretty quickly with enough helping hands, such as getting all the furniture in place somewhere, getting your tv set up, your computer, etc.

    If I was in a position some reason wasn’t able to find the bolts for my bed by a certain point, I too would probably set up the box spring and mattress on the floor for one night. Then again if you have some family members and/or friends to help you, someone is going to find those nuts and bolts because people want to get the job done and over with.

    It may not seem like much to one person to use power tools at 10pm on a Saturday night, but to the person living below you, whenever they hear the noise, they may be a bit irked, and don’t know when you will stop.

    While living in apartments there are times where I had to be to work at 5am or 6am, you can bet I was likely winding down if not in bed by 10pm even if it was a Saturday night. It’s easy to assume that Saturday night is OK to make a little extra noise, BUT you cannot assume that everyone follows a 9-5 kind of work schedule and what “little” noise you might be making by still moving and assembling things after 10pm even on a Saturday Night won’t bother your new neighbors, you don’t know them. To them making “just a little noise” at 10pm on a weekend night may be the equivalent of someone else making “just a little noise” above or below you at 1am.

    THAT being said, if you live in an apartment buidling, you live in close quarters with other people. You have to expect some noise, there is just no way around it sometimes. People talk in the hallways, they have friends or family members in their place. People live life, and they don’t live it silently, even after dark. Living in apartment means having a certain degree of reasonability with your neighbors.

    Mar 6, 2013 at 2:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #50   Raichu

    1. People are moving. You act like they’re going to make a habit of working with tools and dragging around furniture…but they’re MOVING. Doesn’t it occur to you that this will probably stop?
    2. Asking people not to clomp around on hardwood floors is totally reasonable – but why can’t you ask them to your face, like a real friendly neighbor? (Also probably best wait until after the moving is done for this too.) Doing it in a note that is covered in false cheeriness just makes you seem like a jerk.

    Mar 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #51   kaetra

    Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Complete silence from your fellow man isn’t included. If you don’t like apartment noise don’t live there. If you can’t afford anything else then plug your ears because everyone else is going to go right ahead and live their life despite your intolerance and whinging.

    Mar 6, 2013 at 12:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #52   Amy In Toronto

    In my third year of undergrad studies, my 2 housemates and I rented the ground floor of a family home near the university we attended. Our landlady and her husband lived above us on the second floor.

    On the Sunday night before classes began, there was a lot of noise that began well into the wee hours of the night, after we had all gone to sleep. Lots of people started coming into the house and clomping upstairs. They walked around, chatted, laughed and it sounded like they were having a very odd party at a really weird time.

    My housemates and I were woken up by the noise and we debated among us, who would go to the landlady to request that the noise level be brought down a notch or ten. Turns out, I got the short straw, so I went upstairs and knocked on their door, only to find out that the landlady’s husband had died, and she invited friends and family to come by and bid him farewell, chat about, and celebrate his life before she called the funeral home to pick him up.

    Only thing I could think of as an appropriate response was, “Oh! I’m so sorry! Okay, never mind, then.” Oddest noise complaint I’ve ever experienced!

    Mar 6, 2013 at 1:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #53   Like My Shoes

    I’m late to the party, but I don’t think I saw any commenters who wear their shoes in the house. There are a few of us aliens around, it should be noted. And I’ve never had a guest ask to remove their shoes, neither have I felt like I should encourage them to.

    Mar 6, 2013 at 1:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #54   shawn

    I think more important than taking your shoes off is not moving heavy furniture at 10 o’clock at night. In this instance it seems to be an exception, and she should just communicate that…but I get where the neighbors would be annoyed. Every night we have a neighbor that wants to work on his car, right under our window…10 o’clock would be a dream, but this goes on until sometimes 1am. The damn crackheads ruin moving furniture for everyone!

    Mar 6, 2013 at 4:48 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #55   Ashes

    I am team Chelsea, but seriously, some people moved in a few months ago, and I swear, for a month straight, every night, they would hold amateur wrestling matches and every evening would build their own furniture from rough-hewn logs. We also thought that maybe twenty people were living there, and that’s why, at 10PM every night, there would be this massive shifting of furniture, as everyone pulled out their cots.
    This lasted for over a month. When that calmed down, the woman decided all her daily tasks would be done in high heels (and again, it’s common here in Canada to remove outdoor shoes/boots at the door) so it would be clickclickclick back and forth alllll freakinggggg dayyyyyyy. But they have FINALLY calmed down, so yay, and I didn’t even have to complain.

    Mar 6, 2013 at 6:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #56   tarn

    There’s a fair number of comments along the lines of ‘get earplugs and suck it up, or move!’

    Sure, some noise is inevitable with apartment living. But the onus shouldn’t be entirely on the person who is annoyed by it, to put up or shut up.
    The way I see it is, I’ll be reasonably tolerant of noise – IF my neighbours will be reasonably considerate about not making too much of it, especially in the wee small hours. I don’t expect silence. But I do expect them to remember that I’m living under them. I do the same for my downstairs neighbour, it’s no big hardship to be a bit thoughtful.

    Mar 7, 2013 at 9:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #57   Bug

    Did any of you team note-writers happen to read the last two lines?
    “We know we too may be loud from time to time, but we will always try to be respectful of our neighbors. All we ask is for the same in return.”
    They acknowledge that they themselves will make noise in the future –on multiple occasions– yet refuse to tolerate this *one instance* of noise making? That’s entitlement for you.
    And as for the snarkiness of the note, better keep trying on that respect angle.

    Mar 7, 2013 at 2:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #58   Lady

    My neighbors did this to us the first day we moved in… and some screaming and threats to call the police literally in the first 2 minutes.

    It’s not reasonable and it’s not a good way to start off with someone.

    Mar 9, 2013 at 11:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #59   Dan

    Sounds like a great time to take up clogging

    Mar 12, 2013 at 2:33 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #60   Jen

    Wow – it’s one thing if she was constantly noisy & banging things around for days on end, but on her move-in day? Whoever wrote that note is seriously demented. I want to smack them for making this girl’s 1st day at her new place so negative.

    Mar 20, 2013 at 12:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up


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