Your cat. Your choice.

July 25th, 2013 · 240 comments

Submission-wise, it’s been a slow week. So, hey, why not open the can of worms that is The Great Outdoor Cat Debate? (Eeek.)

Amy says her Atlanta neighborhood is constantly plastered with “missing cat” signs. This one, though, was a little different.

If you own a gray tabby cat with a collar, read this. Your cat is spending its days in my backyard. I have bird feeders and there are chipmunks around. When I try to be nice to the cat to be able to read its collar and find out where its home is, it hisses and growls. This is fair warning. The next time I see your cat in my backyard, I will throw something heavy at it. I have pretty good aim. So if you don't want a vet bill, keep your cat indoors. If it kills a bird at one of my feeders, I will hire someone to catch it and take it to animal control. Your cat. Your choice.

related: Barking Mad

FILED UNDER: Atlanta · cats · most popular notes of 2013 · neighbors · not-so-veiled threats · warning

240 responses so far ↓

  • #1   DNH

    A fair enough warning I’d say, but I’d like to see this cat test his/her “pretty good aim”.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 1:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.1   The Elf

      Yeah, “pretty good aim” may not mean much to an animal with “really good reflexes”.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 6:43 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.2   ShadeTail

      I would *not* like to see that test. The cat could flunk. And anyway, as mean as it sounds, the sign writer is still perfectly entitled to object to this intruder in his/her yard and act accordingly. If the cat isn’t a stray, then the owner needs to be more responsible.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:08 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.3   H for Toy bang

      I’ve thrown things at stray cats before when “shoo, shoo, kitty” and “get out of my yard, and don’t even think about sniffing around that garbage can!” don’t work. Unfortunately, my aim is so bad, I’ve managed to hit them. Fortunately, small rubber balls don’t hurt much when you throw like a girl.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.4   TRT

      Supersoaker. That is all.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 7:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #1.5   AWLor0

      Or a garden hose with trigger nozzle on ‘bye bye kitty’ setting.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 3:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #2   pissed

    If you say you are going to commit a violent act against an animal be prepared for the consequences of said action. Fee’s and Jail time. I hope you rot in hell for merely mention animal abuse. The cat …is simply being a cat. If it is so aggravating call animal control. That’s what they are there for.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 1:09 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.1   Nobody'sMoggy

      So when a dog barks all night or bites your child on the face accidentally whilst playing you will not have an issue with that? What about dogs that roam the streets in packs? Are they cool to go about their doggy business. The dog …is simply being a dog after all. No, but we put more importance on the life of a stupid cat because they can’t actually hurt us all that much and they like to do things like leave presents for us at the door, you know the ones, dead animals they found outside. Ridiculous argument. It’s not animal abuse if you kill it outright, as should be done all domestic cats found outdoors out of their own property

      Jul 25, 2013 at 1:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.2   Laura

      Cats can’t actually hurt us all that much? I beg to differ.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.3   Nobody'sMoggy

      quite contrary aren’t we?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 3:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.4   Geek Goddess

      I once ended up in the hospital for 10 days because of a cat. True story.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 3:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.5   Nobody'sMoggy

      sure, I believe that. Pregnant women should not clean cat litter cos they can get toxoplasmosis and other diseases from the cat crap. Filthy little animals they are. You can also get cat scratch fever or Bartonella henselae infection, Campylobacteriosis, Cryptosporidiosis, the plague, rabies (although not in Australia, we have Lyssa virus) and Sporothrix scheneckii. But a cat isn’t going to eat your face off unless you are already dead, it’s not going to tear your arm off at the shoulder because you went away and the neighbour you asked to feed it forgot. It will, however, lie on your face while you sleep and smother you to death.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 5:43 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.6   The Elf

      Yes, it is animal abuse if you harm the animal. That’s the abuse part of “animal abuse”.

      You can’t blame the cat (or the dog, or the baby) for being a cat/dog/baby. None of the three species is known for good decision making. You can, however, blame the owners and parents.

      Pet owners should keep their animals under control – that’s just part of being a responsible owner. And parents shouldn’t let their babies play with animals they don’t know. That’s just part of being a responsible parent.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 6:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.7   Smokey

      Five day of I.V. antibiotics after a cat bite.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 7:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.8   Dr_Know

      Umm Nobody’s Moggy, the OP said to call animal control no just let them go about their business…

      Jul 25, 2013 at 7:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.9   Jeanette

      And dogs only attack if they’ve been previously abused or are trained to.

      I was once protected by a pack of stray dogs from an aggressive stray dog in Pompeii, Italy. It took me a second to realize what they were doing, as about 20 dogs surrounded me while I walked and followed me to my campground until the aggressive dog went away.

      Animals can be really cool.

      Wild animals will leave you completely alone unless you are messing with their territory. Animals only hurt people unprovoked if people teach them to.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 7:27 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.10   Lil'

      Geek Goddess, are you going to make us beg for the details?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 7:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.11   O'Rly

      “It’s not animal abuse if you kill it outright.”

      Remember that when you or one of your children wanders onto someone else’s property. It’s not abuse if they just kill outright. In some cases it’s not even murder. Just ask George Zimmerman.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 8:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.12   Winston Smith

      Really, in some states you can shoot a person who happens to walk on your lawn. Why can’s someone throw a rock at an animal who’s owner lets it destroy your property?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 8:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.13   Tesselara

      Yay! Cat wars!
      These posts are even more entertaining than a troupe of drunk dancing bears.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.14   H for Toy bang

      Going to have to google “troupe of drunk dancing bears” so I can evaluate that statement. Hmmm all I could come up with was 473 videos for “dancing bear stripper tube search” on nude vista .com. I’m just going to have to take your word for it.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 1:54 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.15   mitte


      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.16   Lil'

      Keeping my bear inside poses a risk to my cat.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.17   Beatus Mongous

      A møøse ønce bît my sîster.

      But seriously, I ended up in physical therapy for months due to a cat. It jumped in front of me while I was doing 25mph on my bike, I hit it, and went end-over into the street shoulder first.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.18   Stu

      Don’t throw things at it. That will not solve the problem. It will only prolong it. Trap it, lose the tags and take it to a kill shelter.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.19   Captain Hampton

      Dear Pissed,

      I don’t believe that hell is reserved for people that threaten animal abuse in a note.

      To the contrary, I think a good number of people that are quick to condemn others with only a superficial knowledge of character are destined for eternal suffering.


      Cap. Hampton

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.20   Nunavut Guy

      All cats are Alkida sleeper agents sent to reek havoc upon the imperialist running dog capitalists!

      The terrorists win!

      Jul 25, 2013 at 9:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.21   Geek Goddess

      Lil’, I had cat scratch fever or Bartonella henselae infection, from a stray kitten that I played with. I was six. They treated it with tetracycline, which can turn your teeth yellow, permanently, and hot compresses, which I hated.

      They also gave me the most enormous cup of apple juice, and when I couldn’t finish it, put it on my night table for later, when it was warm, and in my opinion, undrinkable. It kept making appearances whenever I wanted a drink. When I couldn’t produce on a bedpan (the indignity of it all!), they gave me a drink to help things along. Somehow the apple juice got spilled into the bedpan, but they wouldn’t believe me when I told them what happened. I think I failed that urine test.

      It was years before I liked apple juice again.

      On the bright side, we got jello cut into little cubes, could draw on the chalkboard to our hearts content, and didn’t have to have our tonsils out like the kids in the big room down the hall.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:25 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.22   H for Toy bang

      There you are, Nunavut. Wondered when you’d show up to add your two cents. You’ve been asking for this.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.23   Nobody'sMoggy

      My God, Jeanette, you poor thing. Don’t go out into the wide world outside your comfort of human construction, you will surely die. Cos lions and tigers and bears and panthers and wolves and leopards and mountain lions and buffalo and crocodiles and sharks and packs of wild dogs and all those other creatures were all taught by humans how to hunt and kill their prey right? Next time you walk up to a bengal tiger, just smack it on the nose and say bad kitty, see what happens…

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.24   Nobody'sMoggy

      dogs and cats and drunken dancing bear troupes all pose a threat to wildlife. In certain areas it is illegal to own a dog, because they kill koalas.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.25   Nobody'sMoggy

      so why is it that cats get a free ticket to kill?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.26   Nunavut Guy

      Just love a good cat fight.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 7:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.27   Poltergeist

      Wow, 50 people thumbed up Nobody’sMoggy’s comment. Incredible. Every last one of you should be ashamed of yourselves, and this is coming from somebody who *agrees* that, like dogs, it’s wrong to subject your neighbors to your wandering cat (you either get an indoor cat, or you train the cat to stay on your property/walk on a leash if they need fresh air. If neither are a possibility, you don’t get a cat.)

      However, that does NOT give you the right to just kill the cat. That is unwarranted and cruel. You better damn well call animal control instead of throwing a fucking brick at its head or blowing its brains out.

      “It’s not animal abuse if you outright kill it?” Are you serious? Okay, why don’t I go out to a shelter, adopt a puppy, and then shoot it in the head when I get home. It was a quick death, so that’s not animal abuse, right?

      Fucking idiots, the lot of you.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 5:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.28   Nobody'sMoggy

      that’s just not nice Poltergeist. Did the puppy kill any native animals before you so cruelly put a bullet in its brainpan? It hasn’t even had time for you to be an irresponsible owner and allow it to roam the streets at will, why would you do that? You are a bad person. There are laws against people like you for a very good reason. Disgusting.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 8:21 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.29   Poltergeist

      Laws against people like me? Did you actually read my comment above? You know, like the part where I said I agree that letting your cat roam freely wasn’t a good thing? If you’re trolling, the excessive length of your multiple posts makes it more pathetic than anything. I would know considering I like to do my fair share of trolling, you amateur.

      If you’re not trolling, you’re a major asshole. Pick your poison.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 4:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.30   Nobody'sMoggy

      Oh, you were being sarcastic. Now I get it, I can’t seem to read sarcasm. Must be something to do with being an arsehole. So, because I know and write that cats are bad for the environment and the native species of this country, I’m an arsehole? That makes you an environmental terrorist though, and a douchenozzle, so I guess we are even.

      Killing an animal humanely due to it being a pest is far more ok than letting it keep doing what it is doing and destroying so many other animals. I have also stated that responsible cat owners need not worry about what I am saying as it does not apply to them.

      If I wasn’t being paid, by the government, to do what I do, which is kill pest animals, someone else would be. I’m good at what I do, that’s why I keep getting paid. I don’t necessarily like my job, but it is important and I take pride in my work. I’m just fixing the fuckups of lazy and irresponsible people. Think of me as the guy that comes into your house and gets rid of the termites, only it’s not your house and the termites eat other animals.

      If not having the same opinion as you makes me an arsehole, I’d be happy to be the king of arseholes, call me Anus the Great if you like, but that doesn’t make what I’m saying wrong. Cats that are left to their own devices will kill native wildlife and they must be stopped from doing that. If you have a cat, keep it inside because it will kill things. It’s a cat, it’s what they do. What I do is kill cats. It’s what I do. If you don’t want someone like me to kill your cat, be a responsible cat owner. I don’t want to kill your cat, but it’s my job. I’d prefer you had many wonderful years of your cat ignoring you with disdain, pissing on your pillow, mewling at the neighbourhood Tom at 3 in the morning, attacking your ankles and trying to kill you in your sleep. It is your cat and it is your choice. Inside cat, safe cat, outside cat, dead cat.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 7:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.31   My name is Princess

      Well. That escalated quickly. That said. Stray
      mice and rats bother me more than stray/outdoor cats. So cats do have a function.

      However it just might be a dead cat if it kills our chickens.

      Jul 28, 2013 at 7:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.32   Raichu

      Attacking an animal that is attacking you is self-defense. Throwing things at stray animals for no reason (however unlikely you are to hit them) is abusive, imo.

      Jul 28, 2013 at 7:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #2.33   Jeanette

      Hm, and I thought I was on the side of going out in the world.

      This is all a mater of experiences. I ended up in the hospital because of my kitten (not her fault, and ultimately it was just a small scratch) and a very hostile nurse insisted she be reported to animal control as an “animal attack.” But she saw lots of people come in with wounds from animals far worse than mine so her life experience was that animals are bad.

      All I’m saying is you have to respect animals. They act the way they do usually out of fear or territory, not malice. I have cats so they kill any mice that dare enter my apartment (among the usual cuddly kitty reasons), so I’m not on the fringe out there with animals. Just telling about an experience I had.

      I also have a story about backpacking when a black bear stole half our food and we chased him up the mountain. That was a fun day!

      But why am I reasoning with at troll?

      Jul 29, 2013 at 8:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #3   CountSmackula

    Lead poisoning is always an option. :/

    Jul 25, 2013 at 1:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.1   FeRD bang

      What did the lead do to deserve that? It’s blameless in all this! Don’t take the cat’s transgressions out on some poor, innocent lead!

      Jul 25, 2013 at 1:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.2   Jdaniel

      Now where did I leave that hubcap full of antifreeze!?

      Jul 26, 2013 at 1:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #3.3   Nobody'sMoggy

      I thought it was cordial and I had a headache after shooting so many cats, so I put a couple of aspirin and a handful of paracetamol in it for later

      Jul 26, 2013 at 8:26 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #4   Olivia

    I think the note writer is simply pissed off for having been outwitted by a gray cat with a collar.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 1:25 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #5   Nobody'sMoggy

    Cats kill more native species in this country (Australia) than all the other feral and introduced species combined, including humans. If they are roaming the neighbourhood, they should be put down, as it is irresponsible pet ownership. If that was a dog that was acting aggressively it would already have been destroyed. Cats get away with murder, literally. The old excuse, aww but it’s just a little kitty, doing what kitty does, doesn’t fly. Declaw it, spay or neuter it and keep the bloody thing inside if you have to have a cat. They are not cute little fluffy toys, they are evil man made death machines with a licence to kill. Don’t give them the option in future, just knock it on the head and chuck it in the bin. AND THAT GOES FOR THE REST OF YOU CAT LOVING HIPPIES TOO, ferals the lot of you, and your cats are not welcome.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 1:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.1   D.C.

      Eh, I’ve heard how bad cats are killing endangered or threatened species in Australia or New Zealand, but in many parts of North America outdoor cats are not a problem (as long as they are spayed or neutered).

      Jul 25, 2013 at 1:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.2   ZB

      Sources to back up your claims please

      Jul 25, 2013 at 1:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.3   Nobody'sMoggy

    • #5.4   Nobody'sMoggy

    • #5.5   Skittles

      Yeah sorry man this is the internet no one has sources cause they all talk out of their butts.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 1:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.6   Laura

      Wow, bitchy much? I agree with spaying and neutering, and keeping domestic cats indoors unless you live in the country, but declawing is cruel disfigurement. Just because cats despise you (and they’re pretty good judges of character), doesn’t mean you should be so hateful. How about I surgically remove your fingernails and see how you like it?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.7   Nobody'sMoggy

      am I a domestic pet Laura? Do I use my fingernails to impale small animals, then torment them before leaving their carcass on the doorstep? No, but cats do. As for the sources @ZB and @Skittles, they won’t let me post them, but I can suggest and

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.8   Nobody'sMoggy

      it’s not letting me post my links, otherwise I would have replied earlier. Just look up feral cat australia, not hard to find some pretty good studies, done by professionals and stakeholders in conservation in australia. I shouldn’t have to do the work for you, you have fingers that can type the request, look it up for yourself

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:20 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.9   Nobody'sMoggy

      @Laura, when you have seen first hand what cats do to the native fauna of this country, and you actually give a shit about animal rights, you will understand why I am passionate about the issue. Cats are devastating the rare, endangered and completely endemic species found on this continent. They are so well adapted to killing the fauna of Australia, they are the apex predator, are growing to massive sizes (over 12kg) and we need to find a way to stop the impact, not be all fluffy bunny, tree hugging, irrational about the cats feelings. They are a huge problem and we need to stop it from getting any worse. If the cats are kept inside at all times, I have no issue with them, but if they are found outside, first offence declawed, second time put down. You have no idea what you are talking about so be quiet

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:27 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.10   Nobody'sMoggy

      I don’t know where you live, but in this country, Australia, @Laura, the country is where the cats are doing all the damage. They have gone feral, are breeding in the wild, are killing over 75 million native vertebrates each night. If my links worked I would be able to show you. try this, but use www instead of xxx

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.11   Laura

      Actually, I know quite a bit what I’m talking about. And while you are calling me a fluffy-bunny tree-hugger (which I could not be any less of), you are opining over the flora and fauna of your country, which sounds pretty “fluffy-bunny-tree-huggerish” if you ask me.

      You keep referring to feral cats and larger species, I’m talking about domestic cats. I keep my animals indoors because a) I live on one of the busiest streets in town and don’t want them getting hit by traffic, b) I live in a neighborhood with lots of drug dealers and seedy types, and outdoor pets disappear frequently, and c) I don’t want them bringing filth, fleas, and ticks into my home. I suppose if your dog were loose frequently in the neighborhood, it would be okay for me to kill it? Good to know. I’ll remember that next time I’m in Australia.

      As for caring for their feelings, animals are not people. I’m not worried about their feelings. I’m more concerned that you would prefer to cripple a domestic animal to suit your hippie ways. Go back to your tree house in the bush, man.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.12   Nobody'sMoggy

      Good on you for being a responsible (if somewhat out of fear for your precious snookums) pet owner. I applaud you on that. Your pets have nothing to worry about because 1) they aren’t likely to become pest animals, 2) you don’t live in Australia and 3) the neighbours will probably eat them before they could do any real damage anyways.

      As for the tree-hugging, it’s my job. I have to go out and shoot these cats. I would prefer not to, but they are too big of a problem to ignore. I hunt them, mostly at night, and kill them with a high powered rifle. I try to shoot them in the head so there is no pain, but sometimes I have to walk up to them and put another bullet into their brain because they survive the first shot. I do that with dogs, pigs, horses, donkeys, camels, foxes, rabbits and goats too. I’d really prefer not to have to do it, but it is part of my job. Am I what you would call a hippy? Do hippies carry around a Tikka T3 308 with night scope in their rainbow coloured tree hugging bag of love?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:59 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.13   Elaine Benes

      Maybe the dingo ate your baby.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 3:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.14   Nobody'sMoggy

      Wasn’t the dingo this time, it was a 14ft croc… probably shouldn’t have been using it as a lure. Never mind, the missus has plenty more. None of them are mine of course, but hey, she puts on a mean spread for the boys when we get back into town from the muster. Should see it, emu steaks, roo and blackbean stir fry, bush tomato and nardoo salad with bunya nuts. Yam and bardi grub sandwiches. wild rice cakes, Yabbies cooked in a quandong sauce and for dessert, barawang, banyan, geebung and emu berries with ice cream

      Jul 25, 2013 at 3:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.15   Belaani

      I love birds. I hate cats. Whenever my neighbors’ cats come into my backyard stalking birds at the feeder ( doing what just comes naturally, according to some ) I get out my super-duper Wrist Rocket with the steel ball ammo and educate the kitties.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 5:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.16   Nobody'sMoggy

      I like your style Belaani

      Jul 25, 2013 at 5:44 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.17   The Elf

      Please don’t declaw it (unless there’s no other option)! Declawing is amputation of the last toe joint, and there’s usually no reason for it. If your kitty is indoors, or kept in controlled indoor/outdoor situations like leashing or cat runs, then you don’t have to worry about cats killing that much in the way of wildlife. Frankly, if one of my cat kills a mouse that wandered into my basement, that’s on the mouse. Should have thought that one over before you snuck into a house with four cats, Mickey. And indoors, the only thing at risk is your furniture. There are other options to keep cats from clawing furniture. (If your cat is clawing YOU then there are some training options for that, too).

      Other than situations where the declawing is the only solution other than rehoming, it’s just plain cruel and unnecessary.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 6:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.18   Smokey made death machines with a license to kill.. great angry line!

      Jul 25, 2013 at 7:09 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.19   Dr_Know

      It’s ok guys, people aren’t allowed to de-claw in Australia it’s illegal (because it’s horrible disfigurement).

      Jul 25, 2013 at 7:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.20   Paige

      In the United States they’ve caused the death of well over 30 species and more than 40 million birds per year.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 9:24 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.21   kermit

      Paige, that’s utter b.s. and you know it. It’s pretty much claiming the equivalent that cows on cow farm cause global warming, not toxic chemical-spewing factories and cars.

      The “damage” that cats supposedly do to the environment has been grossly overstated. If more people actually bothered to read these “studies” they’d find out that they’re based on the specious tracking of a very small number of cats. And most importantly, practically none of these studies have shown to have reproduced similar results.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 9:36 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.22   FeatherBlade

      DC: Cats haven’t spread in the US like they have in Australia because we have coyotes and owls, which happily snack on cats that are foolish enough to wander too far away from human habitation.

      So… yay for biological controls?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:05 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.23   mcbiterson

      Feral cats are indeed a problem but I hope you don’t kill animals that you suspect are pets just because you can. That’s just being cruel. Call animal control. Do owners there get fined for letting animals roam free?

      I have a cat who is not declawed (though I clip his claws myself weekly) and is not allowed outdoors on his own (off leash) for his own protection. He is fixed and microchipped.

      I do not like birds (they’re noisy and they crap all over my kid’s backyard toys) but I still don’t want my cat killing them or any other animals.

      On the rare occasion that my cat escapes, I chase the little bugger down but sometimes I just have to wait up until he comes home. He’s never brought me a ‘present’ and we have many small animals in our neighborhood. I hate to think there’s someone out there like you just waiting for my cat to get out so he can off him.

      If you’re out there every night killing any number of the animals you mentioned, which animals are left that you are trying to protect?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 1:47 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.24   mitte

      Nobody’sMoggy or Feline Dundee?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 3:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.25   Jess

      Good God, some people are dense. Even if we assume that outdoor cats are a nuisance and a danger to local wildlife/people, that doesn’t make the cats some sort of evil creatures. It means we have a crapton of irresponsible owners. Blame the people, not the pets. Hold the people accountable, not the animals (except, obviously, if you’re in danger).

      It’s really making my stomach hurt to read post after post depicting these animals like they’re Satan-spawn and out to get you. They’re cats. Toughen up a bit and call animal control.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.26   Andy

      I don’t know where to start with this. First off how about you actually work off proper comparisons. A dog acting aggressively towards humans should be put down yes. A dog acting aggressively towards a pigeon or a lizard? Not so much. Last I checked I hadn’t seen any reports of a cat bailing up people in the street and taking a chunk of flesh.

      Secondly if you don’t even know the laws surrounding cat ownership in Australia properly (how can you not know declawing is illegal if you’re going to get so het up about it?!) then keep quiet. You clearly are only working with feral cats and I’m sure there would be few people who disagree with you that they are a problem and need to be culled.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 9:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.27   Nobody'sMoggy

      I am the animal control you morons, that’s why I’ve posted this. In reponse to @mcbitterson, none of the animals I mentioned are native to this country.

      We have a whole plethora of native marsupials and birds you’ve obviously never even heard of. Even seen a kangaroo in the wild? Well there are 53 species of macropods (of which kangaroos are classed) of which 6 are extinct and 11 are very rare and endangered, from the giant Red Kangaroo weighing in at over 90kg, to the miniscule Musky Rat Kangaroo, which weighs only 500g (we even have two that live in the trees). Then there are the dasyurids (61 Species), from the now extinct Tasmanian Tiger (30kg), to the Ningaui which weighs only 3g. Then there is the numbat, of which only a few thousand are left thanks to introduced predators, namely the feral cat. The bilbies, bandicoots and stick nest rats have met a similar fate, with 2 of them becoming extinct since feral predators were introduced. Then there are the many, MANY bird and reptile species that are taken on a nightly basis. I could go on, but it’s all right there on the internet, under Australian NATIVE fauna.

      The Australian outback is also being damaged severely by introduced herbivores with cloven hooves. This ancient continent’s soil and substrate is not fertile or dense enough, and has been weathered for far too long by aridity to support such massive animals without human assistance.

      These animals are destroying fragile ecosystems unlike any other in the world and it’s not pet owners that have caused this, but farmers. South East Asia relies on Australia for a large portion of its meat and that means large herbivores like cattle, but we’ve had to breed droughtmasters in order to get that meat, because we simply do not have the water in the remote areas to support this industry. We grow more crops in this country to support our farming industry, than we do to support our own sustenance.

      We stole this country from the original inhabitants 225 years ago, and have been making a mess of it ever since. We have some of the strictest quarantine controls in the world, yet we allow our pets and farm animals to roam free and do whatever they like to, fucking up much of the country, then wondering where all the critters have gone. I do love a good argument, but unless you have some idea of what I am arguing for, please shut the hell up.

      It’s not responsibly owned pets I have an issue with, it’s the millions upon millions of feral and damaging animals that are loose around the country that I have to kill. I have trapped, shot and killed over 5,000 cats in the last 15 years, not because I’m a bad hunter, but because they are such elusive predators. I’m upwards of 1,500 dogs, 2,000 pigs, 800 camels, 6 or 7,000 goats, about 100 horses and more.

      Laugh all you like at my banter, but until you see what these animals are doing to this country, shut the hell up and keep your know-nothing opinions, based in towns and cities from other parts of the world, to yourself. Cats in this country are the devil-spawn killing machines that I am describing. Your fluffy kitty who curls up with you on the couch, given a week out bush, will turn into a deadly predator. Cats go missing from homes all the time, someone may have accidentally left the door open, a neighbour may have spooked it, a raoming dog may have chased it away, or someone may have just dumped the cat in the bush, thinking it’ll die of starvation before it does any damage. That is how we have this problem. We can’t find the cat owners to prosecute them, so we have to just keep on killing the cats.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.28   Nobody'sMoggy

      I know it’s illegal to declaw cats, I’m just stating that I think that particular law should be amended.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.29   Jami

      You guys know instead of declawing you can get these little colorful plastic things to put over their claws so they can’t scratch, right? Yes, I know it’s a pain to put them on and you need either a vet or a groomer to do it. But it’s better than crippling your cat and you can get them in bright, fun colors and turn your kitty into a fashion plate.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 12:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.30   H for Toy

      I think someone has mentioned this to you further down, Moggy, but it’s not that we don’t agree with you. We realize that the situation in the Outback of Australia is completely different than an Atlanta backyard. I completely understand the need to kill feral cats in the Outback. The problem is, there is a difference between the Outback and Atlanta. This note is addressing someone threatening violence against a cat that is clearly owned by his neighbor. It’s apples and oranges. What works in the wilds of Australia will not work in urban Georgia.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 8:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.31   Nobody'sMoggy

      Oh, I know, I just like making people think that I’m a big bad boogieman who wants to kill all cats, but if you read what I’ve been saying, I’m not talking about urban Georgia at all. Up until this point I haven’t even said the name of the place, all my comments are related to the issue of feral cats in Australia. None of what I have said can in any way be transferred to the American states and nor have I intended for it to be. I actually like cats as pets, I have had a few myself, my family members have pet cats. I love their arsehole personalities and the fact that they never truly lose their ability to survive on their own. I find it hilarious that people judge me for a comment I post on a fun forum like this one. Advocating the death of feral cats and the disfigurement of domestic animals is nothing new. It’s actually only in the last 10 years that what I’ve been proposing has been poo pooed by animal rights activists, who are in and of themselves environmental terrorists, advocating the preservation of these deadly predators over the natural beauty this country once gave.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 7:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.32   Beatus Mongous

      Cats taste surprisingly good, too. Cat was the best chicken I ever had.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.33   Rattus

      Buildings kill more birds than cats do. Let’s take down all the buildings.

      Fucking cat hating idiots and all your specious reasoning. Tsk.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 9:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.34   Raichu

      Killing rodents is murder, but killing stray or wandering cats is not?


      Jul 28, 2013 at 7:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #5.35   Jeanette

      Wait, I’m sorry…there are 26 POUND cats in Australia?!?!?!?! Really???? That is a giant kitty!

      Stray cats in the USA tend to be smaller. Like 5-7 pounds (or 2-3 kg). It’s the house cats that get big.

      Jul 29, 2013 at 8:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #6   D.C.

    (1) The cat obviously knows the person doesn’t like it when the writer “tr[ies] to be nice”.

    (2) Yes, this is just a cat being a cat, but if you live in an area where your cat is a problem for others on their property, it should be an indoor-only cat. (Poor cats used to outdoors don’t adapt well to being shut in, though. Best to raise a cat as indoor-only from the time it is a kitten.)

    Jul 25, 2013 at 1:31 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.1   The Elf

      I agree, but there are ways to accomodate SOME former outdoor cats to the indoor life.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 6:57 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.2   kermit

      Moggy, are you sure you don’t live in Florida? If not, consider moving there, because you’d fit right in with a certain segment of the population.

      You seem awfully to eagerly want to shoot (and allegedly do shoot) anyone whose mere existence you find objectionable.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 7:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.3   Jess

      Agreed, Kermit. There are very few circumstances where killing the animal outright is actually necessary. The volume of kills this person professes to have done makes me think they use it as their go-to solution. Too lazy to seek out any alternative?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.4   Nobody'sMoggy

      your insular thinking is what makes america so predictable. You have no idea what happens outside your little world of hate and glitter. There is a big wide world out there Yank, go take a walk in it, you might actually learn something. I have a degree in what I do, it’s called environmental management, natural systems and wildlife. I specialise in invasive and pest species control. This is what we do here, there is no other way. If you can come up with something better, I’d be more than happy to put it into practice, because I don’t really like killing, it’s my job and it keep food on my family’s table.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.5   The Elf

      “Hate and glitter”? snerk.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 12:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.6   Poltergeist

      You know what Moggy, just shut the fuck up you nasty, conceited little bitch. You’re proof that lunacy knows no nation.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 6:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.7   Nobody'sMoggy

      Or I could just be playing devil’s advocate and you crazy cat people have all fallen for my clever ruse.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 7:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #6.8   Poltergeist

      Or you could just be a bastard. I’m putting my money on that one.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 4:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #7   jodie

    @Nobody’sMoggy – I was kind of with you until you went batshit nutballs.
    Being a responsible cat owner means not letting them roam around outdoors doing whatever they please. Install a cat run outdoors if you want your cat to get some fresh air. That way it won’t kill wildlife or annoy your neighbours.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 1:42 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.1   Nobody'sMoggy

      nope, nothing wrong with responsible cat ownership, family members have cats as pets. Kinda did that to be the opposite of passive aggressive. Completely agree Jodie, and cheers for pointing those things out.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 1:47 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.2   JoshuOrc

      ROFLMFAO. Australians are constantly deriding Americans for all being batshit nutballs, clearly we need to look a little closer to home. I bet Nobody’s Moggy is a rural Queenslander.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.3   Nobody'sMoggy

      If by rural you mean I don’t live in no fancy schmancy mansion in the middle of some smog ridden cesspit with no views of the night sky except through the haze of light pollution and carbon being burnt for no good reason other than to move your shit around cos you’re too lazy to get off your arse and walk to the shops which are 15 mintues down the road, then yeah, sure I’m from rural QLD, except that I live nowhere near QLD, hate the rugby league (girls game played by pooftahs) and think QLDaaaaaaaaaaaaaahs are a pack of wankers. I do, however, reckon you city living, latte drinking, scarf wearing poofs couldn’t find your own way in the real world if you were given the GPS coordinates and were driven there in your chauffeur driven Range Rovers. Soft, the lot of you. Cats are good for 2 things, shooting and using to catch crabs.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.4   JoshuOrc

      Oh, the lulz. Keep going mate

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:37 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.5   H for Toy bang

      I hear you can catch crabs with that girl down the street too.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 5:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.6   Nobody'sMoggy

      Don’t start me JoshuOrc, you don’t want to start me. Yeah, nah, but in all seriousness, no more muckin about pretending I’m from the country or any such nonsense. Cats are pests. They kill native wildlife, rare and and endangered species, carry diseases and are just not nice animals in general. They shouldn’t be in this country, especially not free to roam the bush, picking off bettongs and numbats and bilbies and the likes. It’s not cricket, they are the result of irresponsible pet owners, and they need to be put down, and the cats have to go too.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 5:24 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.7   Nobody'sMoggy

      and @H for Toy, you can catch crabs from any pussy, you just need to be in the right place at the right time.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 5:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.8   Dr_Know

      You sound like someone who has found a guide to Aussie slang and wants to fit as many “fun” new words into their persona as possible.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 7:14 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.9   kermit

      Oh noes, George Zimmerman is trying to get acclimated as an Australian.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 8:01 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.10   Nobody'sMoggy

      I deeply apologise for my colloquialisms Dr_Know and co. I humbly request that my peers on this most esteemed of intellectual information remuneration forum, do not hold against me my obvious faux pas. For Pete’s sake, ad hominem much?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.11   Gladystopia

      See, I was starting to think you might not be an irredeemable jerk, but then you went all hypocritical and screwed it all up. You’re entitled to every opinion you have–after all, most ppl form their opinions through experience–but when I read “ad hominem much?” just a few lines down from “you city living, latte drinking, scarf wearing poofs couldn’t find your own way in the real world if you were given the GPS coordinates and were driven there in your chauffeur driven Range Rovers” and “You have no idea what happens outside your little world of hate and glitter. There is a big wide world out there Yank, go take a walk in it, you might actually learn something” …yeah, that kinda pitches you head-over-opinion into the land of Have You Seriously Just Said That? Which is a shame; aside from your opinion of cats and your neolithic-minded use of “pooftah” and its relatives as insults, I was starting to find many of your ideas fairly convincing. Ah, well.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 12:46 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.12   Nobody'sMoggy

      take what you will from what has been said, I’m just here wasting time. What I say on here is not going to impact on other people’s opinions, none of what I say means anything to anyone but me. Of course I’m being hypocritical, it’s for people like you to pick up on and judge everything I say on the instance. Figure it out for yourself, I am so sick of stupid selfish ignorant people making life difficult for those of us who are trying to make a difference for future generations. Basically, Gladystopia, I DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK. I do the work that others are too pathetic to do so when people come to this country they get to experience something other than mangey feral eutherians like you get in every other country on the planet. Pretty sure pooftah wasn’t around before the bronze age too. Your condescending tone does nothing for your opinion either Gladystopia, your holier than thou attitude is in and of itself just as hypocritical as me pointing out the fact that you are being hypocritical. Instead of pointing out the flaws in my less than structured argument, why don’t you go and research the topic and come back with an argument that is actually on topic instead of attacking me personally, ad hominem much? :P

      Jul 26, 2013 at 7:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.13   Jen

      “You sound like someone who has found a guide to Aussie slang and wants to fit as many “fun” new words into their persona as possible.”

      I think Nobody’sMoggy needs a cup of tea, a bex and a good lie down.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 9:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.14   Gladystopia

      Well, since you (in caps) don’t give a fuck what I think, we’re clearly even.

      You know what needs to be fed and supported even LESS than feral cats? Feral trolls. Troll-chow revoked.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 12:50 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #7.15   Raichu

      >doesn’t give a fuck what Gladystopia thinks

      >writes a long paragraph about it

      Jul 28, 2013 at 7:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #8   L

    My cat has never, ever killed anything and brought it home. I’m actually pretty sure he thinks he’s a dog. We have a lot of cats in the neighborhood that sometimes get in the house and steal stuff, but using violence to solve that problem would never be acceptable. That’s something children do.
    Why do people insist on treating cats and dogs the same? They’re completely different animals.
    The comparison is flawed and illogical.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 2:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.1   Laura

      Hear hear! I have one cat who kills nothing more than flies and other bugs (which is fine and dandy with me), but otherwise, he’s so much like a dog, my mom calls him the “cog.” My other cat is purely feline, and makes no bones about it.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:08 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.2   Jessi

      Your cat has never killed anything and brought it home? So, to you, does that mean that your cat has never killed anything?

      I guarantee you that if your cat is a cat allowed outdoors, its killed its fair share of wildlife. Cats are, at most, partially domesticated. They are also obligate carnivores. Meaning, your cat is a predator, and a very good one at that.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.3   The Elf

      Technically, cats are fully domesticated and are now a different species than their wild ancestors. But that doesn’t mean that they are obedient. It wasn’t that kind of domestication!

      Jessi has a good point, but there are truly some cats that are not interested in hunting. My tortie girl runs away from crickets. The only thing she has an interest in hunting is the bag of kibble. Now that she’s elderly, she doesn’t even go for the laser pointer. I could bounce the red dot around the floor and she’ll look at it briefly, then roll over for me to rub her belly. The other three? If it is small and moves, it dies.

      It’s a good assumption that any given cat is a hunter if given the opportunity. But it’s not a universal.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.4   Andy

      And it’s certainly not hard to whack a bell or two on their collar to keep them from closing the deal.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 9:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.5   Raichu

      Agreed about the bells. They get to have fun stalking, and the chipmunk gets to have fun living and not being tortured. Win-win!

      Jul 28, 2013 at 7:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #8.6   Jeanette

      When we had an outside cat (more than 20 years ago now…the current kitties are inside only) he actually figured out how to catch birds with the bell. That was the end of his outside time. That and the fleas that infested the house.

      Jul 29, 2013 at 8:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #9   Ben Lippa Melbourne

    Its a friggin cat, just kill the damn thing! They are useless pests that do nothing but destroy our wild life.

    Make it painful!

    Jul 25, 2013 at 2:53 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #9.1   Jess

      Fuck you.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:30 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #10   Jayne

    Backing the note poster 100% here. If your cat is in my yard over and over again because you can’t be bothered to keep it in your house, I’m going to treat it the same way I would any other vermin. My neighbor’s cat used to love to sit on my porch, scratch at my window screens, and torment my dog who was inside where the pet should be. I didn’t feel badly at all when that cat was hit by a car. Pets belong in your house or on a leash — not in my yard, not on my porch or deck, and not in my flower beds.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 4:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.1   leopara

      here’s a stunner. i’m a cat owner and i concur .my cat is an indoor cat allowed on the balcony if i’m there with her. but if someone’s damn dog is running loose? gets water dumped on it and i call the pound. endgame. you can’t be responsible enough to take care of your pets? you don’t deserve them.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 8:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #10.2   Jess

      Water and the pound isn’t really the same as hurting the animal. Look, if you’re in danger, it’s all fair game. But to willfully injure an animal because they’re “annoying” just screams selfish asshole. Call animal control. Skip the abuse.
      Leopara, I will pray your cat never slips past your legs and out the door, even for a moment. It’ll be your fault and thus their death will be meaningless.
      And to the original commenter, fuck you fuck you fuck you.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 4:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #11   rachel monforton

    DUH—-Cats have 9 lives.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 4:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #12   Cooper

    To be honest, I think the indoor-outdoor cat thing is all about location. Around here, there are 6 indoor-outdoor domestic cats, and one feral cat. (The feral cat has hilariously failed to make friends with every single cat.)

    I think the best example of how this doesn’t turn out to be evil is my cat, one of the indoor-outdoor ones. She follows me out the door when I head to work. If it is going to be an acceptable temperature all day (60-85 F) I leave the door open a crack so she can get in and out.

    Neighbors report that she has waited at the end of my sidewalk, or on my porch, for about an hour, before going back inside. When I come home, she will run out and meow at me until I pet her.

    She used to hunt when she was younger, but she’s 15-16 years old now, and is pretty content to just relax. It doesn’t hurt that I also have had several rabbits during her lifetime.

    The cats built a territory that worked fairly well. Sure, it was a little weird when the neighbor’s cat dropped in and took some of my cat’s food. I wrote it off as the cat probably having locked itself out, put it back in the neighbor’s house, and left it at that.

    The cats don’t cross the road, and are stopped by what they consider dog territory. (On my street, 3 out of 5 houses have dogs.)

    They’re also remarkably good about my rabbits. The neighbor’s cat would stick her paw through their outdoor pen, and prod them, but didn’t make too big of an effort to get in.

    So yes, in Australia, it sounds like a real problem. But it doesn’t have to be. Know the cat. Know the area. Know your neighbors, their temperaments, and their pets.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 4:52 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.1   R. May

      i assure you, cats cross the road and are not stopped by ‘dog’ territory. including yours.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:18 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.2   The Elf

      Honestly, it depends on the cat. Some outdoor or indoor/outdoor kitties are wanderers and some aren’t. Some former wanderers slow down and stay put when they get old. Some don’t. Some are really intimidated by dogs and other animals. Some aren’t.

      Like so many other things, you can point to trends and generalized behavior but you there aren’t many universal truths.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:50 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.3   Nobody'sMoggy

      I get what you’re saying Cooper, but the problem already exists and irresponsible pet ownership only makes the issue worse. The gene pool these feral cats are growing from is so large and so diverse, they have in 225 years become the apex predator in this country. People like myself are trying to rectify the problem, but have you ever tried to hunt a tiger the size of a border collie in bush so thick you can barely see 5 metres in front of you over country the size of one of your states?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:17 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.4   Olivia

      let them eat rabbits!

      Jul 28, 2013 at 7:32 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #12.5   Jeanette

      It’s clear we can’t debate about cats across international boarders. Australia is, and always has been, a completely different world as far as animals go. Much more sensitive than other places. There is always some foreign animal of some sort screwing up the place. Rabbits, snakes, sheep, and I guess cats.

      In the US, mostly we are not overrun with cats running about. Where I live, there is a spay and release program that has cut down the amount of cats immensely.

      The only place in the world I’ve been that is really overrun with cats is, oddly enough, Israel. Ferrel cats are EVERYWHERE! But they’re tiny little things, so definitely not the apex of the food chain.

      Other than that, my experience has not come across cats on a massive scale.

      Jul 29, 2013 at 8:51 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #13   Red Delicious

    As someone who owns two cats, I’m responsible enough to know that letting them wander around outside means they will contract more illnesses (Yes, even with yearly vaccinations), be in danger of being hit by cars or get into fights with other animals, and annoy the piss out of other people. The fact of the matter is that if you have an outdoor cat, that cat is not going to be solely on your property 24/7, and you won’t be able to watch over that animal 24/7 either. Therefore, that animal is susceptible to plenty of known and a plethora of unknown risk factors. THAT’S WHY I DON’T LET MY CATS RUN AROUND OUTSIDE.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 5:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #14   misspiggy

    It’s specious to pretend that birds feeding in your garden are ‘wild’ animals. You’re feeding them. Adding a cat into the mix is destructive, but humans have used animals in all sorts of ways for a long time and there’s no clear line between domestic and wild in most places.

    Cats were originally for keeping down mice and rats; still are in many places. If your local fauna are so fragile that they can’t sustain a bit of loss from hunting, campaign to outlaw cats full stop and don’t get one yourself.

    Maybe there should be maximum numbers of pet cats licensed in each urban area. But let’s not pretend that keeping a cat indoors is anything but cruel and selfish. It’s not a cuddly toy.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 5:29 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.1   Not SNL

      “Specious” is an awesome word. Thanks for promoting it!

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:15 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.2   Andy

      In many states in Australia there are limits on the number of cats you can own.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 9:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.3   Nobody'sMoggy

      yes, and yet people still blatantly flout the law for their solopsistic gains and permit their “pets” free range, wholesale slaughter of the native wildlife that would otherwise be found in the vacinity.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:34 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.4   Andy

      You know what though Moggy? There are very few people here who are actively disagreeing with your message, you’re just presenting it in a way that makes you look like a giant twat and your ideas crazy. Everyone here sounds more or less responsible for their pets, especially the Australians so why not wait for some unconverted to preach to.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 12:58 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.5   Snowflame

      To be fair though, I don’t think anyone is ever going to stand up and go “Hello, my name is Bob, and I’m an irresponsible pet owner.” Everyone thinks their pet isn’t the problem, but if that was the case there wouldn’t be a problem.

      (For the record, I own a cactus, and I’m pretty damn sure it’s never wandered onto anyone else’s lawn to pollinate, though I did home from work one time and find it wearing a woolly hat, so frankly I’m not ruling anything out.)

      Jul 26, 2013 at 5:08 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.6   Nobody'sMoggy

      Andy, I may not actually be of this opinion and I may just be playing the game, for shock value. Or I could be the government, trying to trap others into divulging their cat killing habits. I could also be a bored teenager with nothing better to do than to start arguments about cats on a page designed to make people laugh. I could also actually be a giant twat with crazy ideas. I guess what I’m trying to say is, who gives a fuck what you think, cos you’re wrong. My name isn’t Nobody’sMoggy and I can say anything on this and people will read it and think I am actually of the opinion. Just as I may also not even live in Australia at all, having simply learnt all that I have divulged off the internet, these “responsible” pet owners can say whatever they like. This is the internet, it’s completely anonymous. You don’t even know if I’m Female, Male, Transgender, hermaphrodite or a trained monkey. Do you have anything to actually add to the topic of conversation, or are you just gonna shut the fuck up? Cos I think cats should be shot, if and when they pose a threat to native animals.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #14.7   JT

      Bored now.

      So why hasn’t Nobody’s Moggy been banned yet? When he/she/it has fully admitted to trolling and isn’t letting up, even when no one is really disagreeing with what he/she/it is saying, just taking exception to how the message is being delivered?

      Jul 27, 2013 at 4:05 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #15   PlanZero

    Jonathan Franzen?

    Jul 25, 2013 at 6:03 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #16   Rm545

    Outdoor cats should have electric fences to keep them in their yards, just like when dogs are outdoors. I hate finding dead birds and other animals in my yard, especially with my 5 year old nephew running around. Cats shouldn’t have special roaming privileges just because they are cats instead of dogs.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 6:04 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #17   Lorri

    I wonder if the note writer is aware that not every cat with a collar is currently under the care of guardian? Lost and abandoned cats prowl around wearing the collar their former owners gave them as well…

    Jul 25, 2013 at 7:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #18   Windsor Grace

    I had a neighbor call me and say basically the same thing about my cat. I told her to watch out and I’d have the police over there

    Jul 25, 2013 at 8:09 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #18.1   The Elf

      Is your cat being a pest? You may want to consider the potential ramifications to your kitty. Even if you call the police on the neighbor, your cat is still dead or injured. It doesn’t make the neighbor right, but it does increase the safety of your pet.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 8:33 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #18.2   R. May

      congratulations – you are masquerading as a caring pet owner while daily exposing your cat to the risk of disease, injury and death. keep your cat inside or give it to someone who knows how to take care of animals.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:14 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #18.3   H for Toy bang

      Are you seriously suggesting rehoming a cat?! Do you have any idea what kind of chaos that causes here?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 12:37 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #18.4   Nobody'sMoggy

      Good on your neighbour for being proactive. More should take a leaf out of their book and make pet owners responsible, hold them to account. Catch the pest pet, put it in a cage and leave it at the neighbour’s front door with a note attached saying where you found it, why it’s in a cage and how disgusted you are at their total lack of respect for anyone but themselves.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #19   Stefan

    I live in Atlanta and I know this neighborhood. It is stupid to let one’s cats roam outdoors in the city of Atlanta period. We have coyotes everywhere in the summer for one thing, plus our traffic is some of the worst in the country and plenty of infectious diseases running around. I myself have two cats but when I still lived in the city they never left my condo, and even now that I am in the suburbs in a neighborhood where everyone has a half acre they are still indoor cats. I don’t trust that they’d make the adjustment to being outdoor cats well, plus cats can “be cats” and be just as happy and intrigued by nature from the other side of a window. A nice bonus: the vet bills are a hell of a lot lower.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 8:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #20   CG bang

    If you throw something heavy at a cat, it’ll probably just jump, do a backflip, land on it’s feet and walk away with that “whatever” look on it’s face. Now THAT is passive aggressive!

    Jul 25, 2013 at 8:41 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #20.1   The Elf

      This is true. There is not a more passive aggressive animal than a domesticated feline.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #21   Ely North

    You want to get rid of the cat? Get a dog!

    Jul 25, 2013 at 9:00 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #21.1   Raichu

      My dog is afraid of cats.

      Jul 28, 2013 at 7:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #22   BillyBoyWonderAustralia

    I love the way all the cat lovers come out from their unmarried hole. NO ANIMAL that is not mine, shoould be sleeping on my car, on my porch or in my garden! CATS are the main culprit.

    I now sit on my porch with my air rifle when Im free taking care of the issue.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 9:13 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #23   havingfitz

    My cat is fixed and is an indoor cat. However, she is also mischievous, and if I don’t watch when I’m bringing in groceries she will slip outside because she thinks it’s a game for me to chase her and try and bring her back in. Which I do. For those of you advocating instant death to any cat you see outside, please keep in mind that some of are are TRYING to be responsible. I hardly think I deserve to have my cat shot for managing to sneak past me a few times a year.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 10:16 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #24   Fatesmom

    Couldn’t you aim with a water hose or a water gun to scare away the cat? Cats hate water and it won’t hurt them- plus you could practice your theory on having a good aim.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 10:28 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.1   Kimberly

      I reasonable response? I feel feverish.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:07 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.2   Lil'

      Doesn’t that seem much more reasonable? Unfortunately, people feel it’s their right to be as extreme as possible when someone has wronged them. Last weekend, I watched a guy who lives across the street from the neighborhood park call the cops and make a scene because someone had parked their car on his side of the street. It wasn’t blocking his driveway, but it was his property. He had a right, but how much more civil it would have been to walk over to the park and simply ask the driver to move. There were only a few of us there. Turns out it was just a young girl who was probably fresh behind the wheel and he made her feel like crap for making a simple parking mistake.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:08 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.3   Nobody'sMoggy

      my neighbour decided that, because she has cats, the neighbour on the other side’s dog had to go as her cats came home all scratched up and one even got bitten. The cats were in the dog’s yard, not the other way around. That didn’t seem to figure in her logic and her precious kittys were more important, so she let the neighbour’s dog out of the yard one day around the time school children were leaving the primary school down the road. Now this dog would never deliberately hurt anyone, it was raised with children and kids are always petting it through the fence, however this particular day the dog got a little over excited and jumped up as one of the children were bending down and the dogs teeth kit the kid under the eye. Of course, child screams blue murder and the dog, now seen as a danger, is put down by the responsible pet owner. The whole thing was witnessed by another neighbour that day and it was not until after the dog was put down that the truth of the story came out. All because the cat owner wouldn’t keep their cats on their own property. Cat owners are fucked in the head

      Jul 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.4   Who passed out the Haterade?

      however this particular day the dog got a little over excited and jumped up as one of the children were bending down and the dogs teeth kit the kid under the eye.

      For some strange reason, this story reminds me of a movie where the hero sarcastically opines:

      “Sure, sure, I know… it just happened. Coulda happened to anybody. It was an accident, right? You tripped, slipped on the floor and accidentally stuck your dick in my wife.”

      Not to say that it’s not possible that the dog somehow accidentally jumped on the child with its mouth open at just the wrong angle so that it accidentally forcefully stuck his teeth in him/her. Just that it strains credibility a tad.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 10:40 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #24.5   Nobody'sMoggy

      I’m glad you have the nouse and wherewithall to critically analyse the post, but as you say, it is still possible that a dog can jump, and that a child can bend at the waist, and that in some cases these two movements can happen simultaneously with the outcome being that the dog, having left the ground, has little to no control over its momentum, and that the child, perhaps focussing on something other than the dog for even a slight moment, were both unable to avert the imminent impact. That the force of the jump wouldn’t you say, be determined by the musculature nature and size of the dog, and the fact that dogs usually have their mouths slightly ajar when playing, allowing the canine equivalent of sweating, also known as panting, to occur. So, if you were to take the size of the dog, the force of the jump, the bending motion of the child and the position of the mouth of the dog, and allow for the fact that the situation was, like most accidents, wrong place at the wrong time, it is highly likely it could have occured just as explained. A little more likely, wouldn’t you say, than a naked man accidentally slipping on the floor resulting in the act of copulation, considering a female would have to be in such a position that their vagina was ready to recieve a penis, that she was lubed up enough to allow for penetration in such a feat of phallic precision, that she wouldn’t have noticed the repeated attempts to disengage, followed by more slipping and thrusting, and that a dog accidentally jumping with their mouth forward is a little different from someone falling with an erect penis forward with the same amount of precision and not attempting to halt their decent for fear of damaging their manhood.

      Jul 29, 2013 at 8:20 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #25   sunshynegrll

    Comments can be categorized by:
    People who hate cats,
    People who hate people who hate cats,
    People who hate songbirds,
    People who think animals can do no wrong,
    People who think animals only hurt bad people,
    People who have never tried to give medication to a feral cat,
    People who hate everyone.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 11:06 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #25.1   H for Toy bang

      People who like to egg the debate on – population: Nunavut Guy. Where is he, anyway? He’s been trying to get a cat debate going for weeks, and now he’s nowhere to be found!

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #26   R. May

    Pet cats belong inside. Allowing a cat to wander outside where they are exposed to disease and danger from other animals and humans is cruel.

    Throwing something at it not so much, but all for having someone catch it and take it to animal control.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 11:11 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #27   jj

    So they hurt/kill the cat, and the owner will then poison the birdseed of the cat hater? So uncivil of them. I don’t think most areas allow cats to roam neighborhoods to rid them of mice. Taking to animal control would be the most logical thing to do if the cat ‘lives’ in this person’s yard all day. Me, I would just hose it down with water until if found a better yard to laze around in.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 11:15 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #28   redheadwglasses

    I love animals — usually more than people — and I love my cats. But I’m on the note writer’s side. Keep your damn cats indoors where they are safe and can’t destroy other people’s property, poop in their flower beds, kill the birds they feed.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 11:15 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #29   Helen without the H

    I think I’m in love with Nobody’sMoggy…

    Jul 25, 2013 at 11:21 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.1   H for Toy bang

      I wonder if, and how much, he’s getting paid to keep this going.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:57 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.2   Nobody'sMoggy

      I’m a woman

      Jul 25, 2013 at 11:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.3   Lil'

      I guess that explains why the missus’ kids aren’t yours.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 7:22 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #29.4   Nobody'sMoggy

      Congratulations Lil’, you get the booby prize for deductiveness.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 8:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #30   Eileen

    Best weapon against a wandering cat? Another cat. One night, I came home from work and this strange cat was just sitting there in my driveway. I reached out to her to look for a collar or a tag . . . and suddenly, my cat (who’s fifteen years old) comes tearing out of the garage and chases the other cat right into the street. Very protective of her territory.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 11:55 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #30.1   TRT

      lion poo.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 7:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #30.2   redheadwglasses

      I actually feed a very banged up tomcat stray in my ‘hood. I don’t leave food out b/c I don’t want more ants to deal with, but my cat Rosie sure makes it clear when there’s a cat out on her porch! Thanks for the heads up, girl!

      Jul 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #31   Name249

    What is it with this site and cat arguments. Seriously.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 12:06 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.1   redheadwglasses

      It’s not this site. It happens everywhere the roam v. indoors cat issue is raised — topix, Washington Post forums, etc.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.2   Snowflame

      Let’s face it, the internet is 80% cats, 15% porn and 5% Justin Bieber hate sites.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 4:59 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.3   kaetra

      Must be a lot of people out there who either A.) have an outdoor cat – or B.) have had their property sprayed/crapped on by some inconsiderate neighbor’s outdoor cat. If the outdoor cats weren’t a nuisance no one would care that they’re outside.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 12:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #31.4   Name249

      And here I was, viewing the Internet as a huge database of information, where people of all nations could come together and learn from one another in peace and understanding. Where people with indoor cats and people with outdoor cats could meet and appreciate each others ways. Where pet owners/guardians can talk with those that don’t care for animals, and understand each others humanity.

      Bieber, you say? These are sad days, indeed.

      Jul 29, 2013 at 12:53 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #32   Boo Boo Kitty F*ck

    I would never let my cat run around outside unattended. I fear what people would do to it more than what cars or other wild life could. Many dog people tend to hate cats and turn their dogs loose on them – I’ve witnessed that one too many times. People are nasty but should be responsible with ALL pets, no matter the species. Cats can be quite violent, the same as dogs – it usually takes a very frightened cat to attack. It’s extremely easy to get a lost or feral cat to come to you – they sure as hell won’t if they know you’re a douche bag.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 12:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #32.1   Nobody'sMoggy

      your “feral” cat theory is absolute bollocks. Your definition of feral might be a cat that has been unable to find its way home, or was dumped a few weeks prior. Feral in this country means several generations of hunting native birds, reptiles and mammals, pretty much small tigers or panthers that in no way resemble the loveable demeanor of your precious little fluffy boo boo kitty feck.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:45 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #32.2   justme

      Nobody’s Moggy: If this is your definition of feral, why did you even respond to this note, which is clearly referring to someone’s “precious little fluffy boo boo kitty”? Most of us are talking about pet cats — not cats that have been wild for several generations.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 12:26 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #32.3   BlondeContour

      Yes, EXACTLY. You keep bringing out points that only relate to you and your very VERY specific situation. The cat in question is not a “tiger the size of a border collie.”

      It is a cat. It is a domesticated cat.

      It’s different. Move on.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 5:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #32.4   Nobody'sMoggy

      because your precious little domestic cat, if left to its own devices, will become exactly as I am saying in less than a few weeks. How do you think the first ones started?

      Jul 26, 2013 at 8:07 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #32.5   Snowflame

      In a few weeks an abandoned domestic cat will become several generations?!? Dude… do they even have time to hunt anything?

      Jul 27, 2013 at 4:49 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #32.6   Nobody'sMoggy

      No need to be deliberately obtuse there Snowflame, in a few weeks they are often quite capable of becoming proficient hunters. Just as your domestic house cat is already, but not for fun, for survival. Like humans, cats have an overwhelming will to live, but unlike humans they are born with the skills and tools necessary for survival. It takes us years to walk, but only takes cats weeks to learn how to kill.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 7:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #32.7   Who passed out the Haterade?

      your “feral” cat theory is absolute bollocks. Your definition of feral might be a cat that has been unable to find its way home, or was dumped a few weeks prior. Feral in this country means several generations

      because your precious little domestic cat, if left to its own devices, will become exactly as I am saying in less than a few weeks.

      Please stick to one or the other, NM. Snowflame isn’t the one who’s being “deliberately obtuse” by calling you out on exactly what you said.

      Jul 28, 2013 at 11:53 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #32.8   Nobody'sMoggy

      Apologies for the confusion. I will clarify, if you will, my stance. Pet cats can and do become feral cats. First generation feral cats breed with other cats that have already established themselves in the wild, creating a larger pool of genetic diversity which in generational terms brings about the the phenomenon known as evolution. This does however start with irresponsible pet owners, seeing as cats were not found on this continent before white people brought them here. So, yes, several generations of feral cat evolution causes the tiger-like killing machines, but they started as domestic cats. Again, I’m sorry you couldn’t make the obvious intellectual link between my statements and what I was alluding to.

      Jul 29, 2013 at 8:27 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #33   Ethel

    Before violence hazing is perfectly acceptable to use against cats, this means loud noises, shaking things and water are perfectly acceptable to chase a cat out of your yard. Black pepper in the soil is irritating and works to prevent them from using it as a restroom, and in my town you need to put the pepper on the grass too. Some people use water sprayers that detect movement, developed to get rid of deer, to do the same thing too.
    But in the US, where pets are not something you can just destroy or damage unless they are harming you or other people (people, people means human, not pets), you are not allowed to commit physical violence. Moreover, to be violent to an animal when it is unwarranted is a hallmark of sociopathy and tendency to be violent to humans as well.

    So folks, use your larger brains and be creative – cats may be stupid but they can learn. I am fine if you scare the snot out of my cat to get him out of your yard, but if you harm him you will deal with the police and a lawsuit.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 12:41 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #33.1   spacenomyous

      can i scare the snot out of you to get your cat to stay in your yard?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 2:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #33.2   kaetra

      “The AVMA strongly encourages owners of domestic cats in urban and suburban areas to keep them indoors.” Pet owners are responsible for keeping their pets healthy and safe. If you let your pet roam unattended outdoors you are not keeping it safe. YOUR pet is YOUR responsibility. It is not a property owner’s responsibility to keep YOUR pet from trespassing on their property. YOUR PET is not a wild animal. Why should property owners spend time, money and effort trying to keep YOUR cat from urinating and defecating all over their property?? That is some sense of entitlement you have there.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 12:36 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #34   H for Toy

    Fun story, that will cause the indoor-only crowd to say “I told you so!”

    My parents live in the country, and have a semi-outdoor cat. They leave a window open for her on nice days, and she comes and goes as she pleases, as long as they’re home and awake. She has occasionally brought home small snakes and field mice and left them on the doorstep. A couple years ago, my dad was packing a bag to join my mom and I on vacation for a couple weeks. He leaned under the bed to grab his shoes, and thought “holy crap, I gotta get some odor eaters!” He reached further under the bed, and suddenly felt something slimy. Turns out, the cat had brought in a full-grown rabbit, and stuffed it under their bed for safe keeping. As unhappy as Dad was to find the rabbit, he was still glad it was before he left, and not after he got home.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 2:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.1   ShadeTail

      Current theory is that your cat doesn’t do that to show affection. It does that to try to teach you how to hunt.

      Your dad is badly disappointing his teacher.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 3:03 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.2   H for Toy bang

      I’ve shared that theory with my dad. If looks could kill…

      Jul 25, 2013 at 3:24 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.3   Lil'

      Oh man, H. I promise you that cat would have to choose indoors or outdoors – but never again would I leave a window open for her. She would have to sit in front of the door for an inspection and make her best Puss in Boots sad eyes impression every time she wants to come in.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 3:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.4   justme

      My dog (JRT) actually did something very similar but fortunately (?) left the bunny on top of my bed so it was discovered more quickly. I don’t know how she caught the bunny — with that one exception they could run under the fence before she caught them. That time she caught it and my young son let her in apparently not noticing that she was carrying a rabbit almost as big as she was.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 6:16 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.5   Jeanette

      my cats never present what they’ve killed to me. I always have to find it or (and this is gross) take it away after it’s already dead but they’re still playing with it. I guess this means they think I provide for them quite well?

      Also, there’s a chance that this is an indoor cat that got out. Note writer could catch the cat and read the tag or take it to a vet/shelter to see if it’s microchipped. I’ve had both of mine chipped in case they get out and would hope someone would do this if they were lurking in a strange yard.

      However, the older girl would never run out! She is perfectly happy staying inside. I’ve held the door open to see if she’d go out and it’s a firm “no way, man! It’s comfy here and there’s food! I’m not leaving!”

      Jul 29, 2013 at 9:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #34.6   Gladys Gravyboots

      In a similar vein:

      Came home from work one night to regurgitated kibble on the bedspread, so I stripped the bed &etc… left the pile of sheets, as I was headed to the laundry-mat first thing in the morning.

      Bedding got washed. Fine, then into the dryer. When the time was up, I opened the door & an unpleasant odor rolled out. I thought, “Hm, kind of strange that my laundry still smells like barfed-up kibble, but I am out of quarters today. Oh well, I’ll hang it in the sun & wash it again next week.” Then I proceeded to unload the dryer.

      At the bottom was a poor little shrew that had been left as a “gift” on the pile of laundry over night… I had been in such a hurry I hadn’t even noticed it! Shrews are stinky when alive & going through a wash cycle + dryer 12 hours postmortem does not improve their odor.


      Jul 30, 2013 at 11:34 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #35   Jami

    Anyone can buy a feral cat trap. I have one. Bait it with some bacon or other pork products. Catch the kitty without hurting them. Take the cat to the shelter. End of cat problem. Honestly, you don’t have to hurt the cat.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 3:14 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.1   Nobody'sMoggy

      So you just get someone else to hurt them for you? Makes sense, it’s legal and you feel like you’ve done the right thing.

      Jul 25, 2013 at 10:52 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.2   Jami

      Ever hear of no kill shelters? Besides that if you take it to animal control they’ll make an effort to find the owner. If they’re responsible enough to get the cat microchiped and/or have a collar.

      Seriously, Nobody, here’s a quarter, go buy a clue.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 12:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.3   AshleyHoneyBee

      I am an avid supporter of cat rescue and no-kill shelters, but the reality is that most no-kill shelters stay at capacity with wait lists hundreds of animals long, and this is especially true for cats. It is simply not reasonable to expect that a no-kill shelter will be able to accept any cat that is so unfriendly as to require a trap in order to capture it. While somewhat unfriendly pet cats may be able to be reunited if they are found with identification, cats that are feral or semi-feral will have no opportunity for rehoming unless they are surrendered to a shelter with a “barn cat” type program (these are uncommon). If you do not want these cats to be euthanized, TNR (trap-neuter-return) is by far the best option in most regions in the US.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 3:23 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.4   H for Toy bang

      Even if Jami’s goal was to send the cat to the big scratching post in the sky, not everyone 1) has good enough aim to shoot the cat, 2) owns a gun, 3) can lawfull discharge firearms in their neighborhood. So, kill or no kill, a trap is still the best option in most places. And, like Ashley said, TNR is a good choice.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 8:14 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.5   Jami

      Most of the cats in my neighborhood are not feral. Just allowed to wander about to be eaten by coyotes and otherwise get or do harm. Only one cat in our neighborhood was even partly feral and he’s the one I had to trap. His owner used to come by every single day accusing me of trying to steal her cat because he liked to come into our backyard to kill birds and lay on our woodpile. We’d beg her “Please keep your cat indoors! We’re dog people and we HATE your cat!”

      I finally used the trap to catch him and take him to animal control – who didn’t know what they were doing and he escaped onto the Christian college campus that’s right behind the police station. Where I’m sure he was fed by the students and probably had lots of rats and mice to catch anyway.

      I let the lady think her cat was eaten by coyotes to teach her a lesson though. Since she refused to be responsible and keep her cat indoors.

      I would never intentionally hurt someone’s pet unless it was trying to hurt me or someone else.

      On a side note when I was a kid and we were camping someone was dumb enough to bring their cat with them. The cat escaped and they were never able to find her. It was years before the squirrel and chipmunk population came back, even though the cat died that winter due to it not being used to the outdoors.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.6   AshleyHoneyBee

      Jami, feral and semi-feral cats cannot be kept indoors indefinitely. The experience is terrifying and traumatic for them, and many people that have tried to socialize adult feral and semi-feral cats will tell you that the probability of success is low after months or even years (it is comparable to the success you might expect from trying to socialize an adult opossum or raccoon, as is the animal’s reaction to being locked inside a house). The best we can usually do for these cats is to spay and neuter and look after them from a distance. Although your neighbor may have chosen to be the caretaker for this cat, feral cats are no more owned by their caretakers than you own the birds that frequent your backyard. Although feral cats ARE the result of irresponsible pet ownership, the burden of caring for these animals rarely rests with the person who created the problem. The cat that you described would have been euthanized if it was not able to be reunited with its caretaker (your neighbor); were you really so cruel as to want it to die for visiting your yard? What of your previous mention of no-kill shelters and getting a clue? There are many creative and ultimately harmless ways to quickly discourage a feline visitor to your yard.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 4:19 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.7   sunshynegrll

      AshleyHoneyBee, let me tell you a story.
      I captured (with much pain and bloodloss on my part) an adult feral cat. Truly feral, no socialization. Against all common sense I brought her home and kept her inside my house to deal with a mouse problem.
      Yes, it was months before she came out of hiding.
      Yes, she hated my guts.
      Yes, she would stick her claws in me at every opportunity, and I learned to never reach out towards her.
      Yes, I kept her INDOORS, for fear of the heavy traffic outside.
      She eventually coped with it, and after years, became friendly. Nowadays, she demands to be petted, wants to sit on my lap at all times, sleeps beside (or on me) when she can. She is still semi-feral, and at approximate age 14, always will be.
      She enjoys being an indoor cat. I know this because if she goes out to sit on the porch, she will run back inside if she even *suspects* the door is closing. She ran away once and was gone for 3 weeks, and came back happy to stay inside forever.
      Please don’t imagine this was a miraculous, one-time success. It’s just that most people don’t have the patience to do it; it’s not easy. But it IS possible to turn an adult feral into a happy indoor cat.
      Also, I never had to teach her to use the litterbox. That came naturally :D
      Also also, she has caught one (1) mouse and zero (0) birds.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 8:58 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.8   Jami

      My brother and sister-in-law adopted two semi-feral cats that are now happy, healthy, indoor cats.

      The cat went semi-feral because the idiot neighbor let it roam from kittenhood on. If she had kept it indoors in the first place it never would’ve gotten to that state.

      If the cat was put to sleep at all it would be because he was vicious and attacked a person. So again, buy a clue.

      Jul 28, 2013 at 1:39 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #35.9   AshleyHoneyBee

      Perhaps Jami should buy a clue. Yes, it is possible for some feral cats to socialize to the presence of humans after years. This is not the rule, it remains the exception, and there will always be stories and anecdotes about the exceptions. While I do not attempt to discard their validity, they are not representative of the norm, which is what is most relevant to this discussion. Shelters cannot and WILL NOT hold feral or semi-feral cats for adoption unless they have a barn cat program. Period. End of story. These cats do not have to be “vicious and attack a person”, they are euthanized because people adopt because they want a pet, not a wild animal, and shelters do not have the resources to spend years attempting to socialize these cats (semi-feral kittens are an occasional exception), and it is socially irresponsible to adopt out these cats to families. As sunshynegrll noted, most of these cats will respond very defensively to any attempts to touch them, and there are very real legal repercussions to knowingly placing a cat like that with a family that (much like Jami) doesn’t understand the implications of trying to bring a feral or semi-feral cat into their home. I have worked with multiple shelters and cat rescue organizations, and I am quite familiar with their operating procedures. I do not know what bottomless pool of resources Jami believes shelters have access too, but hundreds (thousands in some areas) of healthy, socially well-adjusted cats are euthanized by almost any given open-intake shelter in the country every year. Ignoring this fact and believing that semi-feral cats have a chance in a shelter environment is nothing more than willful ignorance. Also, justifying the death of an animal (even at someone else’s hand) to punish its owner sounds like something a passive-aggressive sociopath would do.

      Jul 30, 2013 at 11:44 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #36   Jess

    I’d be on team note writer if not for the threat of hurting the cat. F*** YOU, note writer. The owner of the animal is an idiot but how the hell does that entitle you to hurt an innocent creature who is not aware of concepts like private property?!

    I hope the cat scratches the crap out of them when they attempt to throw something at it.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 4:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #36.1   Captain Hampton

      “Innocent creature”? Have you ever actually met a cat?

      Jul 25, 2013 at 5:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #37   Bubba

    @Jess, then they shouldn’t let their cat roam free. Cat or dog comes on my property I will catch it, not hard to do with a little food and then turn it over to animal control. If it come back, I may put it down myself.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 4:19 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #38   Madrias

    I’ve taken a few pot-shots at the neighborhood cats around here. Nothing lethal, just a wad of damp paper towels out of an air-powered potato cannon.

    The bang usually scares ‘em off. If they don’t move fast enough, they get hit with a soggy clump of paper towels.

    Why paper towels? They’re biodegradeable. I don’t have to worry when I miss the cat and they go flying in all directions. They hold water well, too, so the cat gets a good soaking when they get walloped. And they’re not hard enough, even when wet, to inflict serious injury.

    I’ve also taken pot-shots at them with potatoes, but only when they’re tearing up the trash can. It won’t go through the can, but it will knock the trash can airborne, and there’s nothing more hilarious than watching a cat rushing to get out of the can before the trash bag lands on them.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 5:13 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #39   Isa

    “I’m going to injure your pet so that it doesn’t injure the animals in MY yard!” OK buddy, that makes sense and you’re not an awful person at all…

    Jul 25, 2013 at 6:56 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #40   Courtney H

    Cats are not evil. They are not innocent. They are cats. When they go after wildlife, they are relying on instinct. It’s not a freaking conspiracy. Reading so much into a cat’s motive is kind of insane.

    If your response to trespassing cats is violence , rather than, I don’t know, catching the cat, calling animal control, or spraying it with a hose, you are are a far bigger threat to society/civilization/whatever than the cat.

    Jul 25, 2013 at 9:28 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #41   Tard

    I’m not a cat person but think its funny how they rule the neighborhood at night while people sleep.
    I always had cat prints on my car, never owned a cat!

    Jul 25, 2013 at 11:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #41.1   Jami

      It would be weirder if you also never owned a car.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 6:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #41.2   Tard

      Oh shit, I never have!

      Jul 26, 2013 at 10:18 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #42   Morg

    I’ve had cats all my life and, short of keeping them inside for the entirety of their lives, there is nothing YOU can do to stop them venturing out past your garden. Some cats are just very keen explorers. Cats are naturally territorial, and natural predators.

    Why try to harm a cat in retaliation when it only showed aggression when you approached it? Cats barely show their owners any attention at the best of times, let alone be comfortable with strangers.

    If the cat is already wearing a collar, the least the owners could do is put a bell on it and solve everybody’s problems.

    Jul 26, 2013 at 5:59 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #43   kaetra

    Team Note Writer

    Jul 26, 2013 at 10:17 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #44   redheadwglasses

    I took my cats outside last night on harnesses and leashes. They were happy (I can’t wait to come home to find the partially digested grass horked up onto my hardwood floor), I was happy. One was so happy, she came to bed to sleep with me, for the first time in a weeks.

    Jul 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #45   sunshynegrll

    That cat was fucking delicious.

    Jul 26, 2013 at 1:33 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #45.1   Snowflame

      Pussy so often is.

      Jul 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #46   warns

    Wow. How sad this note is. If your pet kills a wild animal, I’m gonna hurt it. Also way to not leave any contact info, I guess a threat of animal abuse should be left anonymously. If this were my neighborhood I’d knock on every door with a copy of this note asking for a conversation instead of a threat of violence.

    Jul 26, 2013 at 1:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #47   Not Sure

    This person has obviously never heard of Google Earth. I would find the backyard with all the bird feeders and sue the occupant for his last shred of flesh.

    Jul 26, 2013 at 4:42 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #48   Quite Contrary

    You had to open this can of worms? My lord, Israeli/Palestine peace would be easier to achieve than resolution of the great indoor or outdoor cat debate.

    Jul 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #49   RODGD bang

    Animal control told me to either call them and they’d come trap the stray cats or I could do it and take them to a shelter. I take them to the kill shelter.

    Jul 26, 2013 at 9:15 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #50   Science for all

    Not to side with the cat-killers (I’ve had several much-loved cats during my life), but they are documented wildlife-killers in the US, not just in Australia. And I have references! The BBC did a nice summary on the issue; on islands, cats “have been blamed for the global extinction of 33 species,” and on the mainland they “are responsible for the deaths of between 1.4 and 3.7 billion birds and 6.9-20.7 billion mammals annually.” Conveniently, the article is titled “Cats killing billions of animals in the US,” and summarizes results published in Nature Communications, doi:10.1038/ncomms2380. Of course, I wouldn’t advocate cruelty to specific cats (i.e. the ones in your personal garden) as some sort of “solution” to a global problem. Ideally I suppose people would attempt to police their own pets with bells and claw covers at a minimum, TNR programs would work everywhere, and humans would also voluntarily stop using fossil fuels and eating cow every night for dinner. I’m not volunteering to go first on the fossil fuels.

    Jul 26, 2013 at 11:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #51   Simon

    I grew up in a Small village in Kent, England with at least 6 cats who would occasionally bring us presents.

    One day, one of our cats was sitting next to our neighbours precious greenhouse. He decided to threw a brick at the cat, which jumped out of the way and smashed a large piece of glass. I laughed so hard I wet myself.

    He would also throw small lumps of earth at any cat in his garden. So I started throwing similar pieces of earth at him and my aim is better.

    Jul 27, 2013 at 12:00 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #51.1   Holly

      I take it he wasn’t trespassing in your garden though when you decided to throw things at him? The man was hardly unreasonable not to want your cats defecating and pissing all over his property.

      Jul 29, 2013 at 6:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #52   VM

    “Documented wildlife-killers.” “Responsible for the deaths of ___ birds and mammals.” How those statements tremble with murderous accusation! Problem is, that’s what predatory species DO. They’ve evolved to kill to eat. And that’s just as much a part of “nature” as the fluttering wings and quivering whiskers of their prey.

    Barn owls can dispatch a hella lot of native rodents (over 2,000 pocket gophers a year per nesting family of owls), but nobody’s treating them like serial killers — on the contrary, people go out of their way to build them nest boxes and encourage the “rodent-eating machines” (as one owl booster site calls them).

    Now of course all those cats (unlike the owls) weren’t naturally occurring in the areas they’re predating on. That is a legitimate problem that needs addressing. But the same can be said for non-native birds — they outcompete the native species and can do as much damage to their numbers as predation can accomplish. Yet I’d bet that person in Atlanta doesn’t look out at the birdfeeder and view the house sparrows and starlings and all the other introduced species with the same animosity as the cat inspires.

    Yes, cats can be a problem for wildlife. But don’t vilify the cat. It doesn’t make sense to me to declare you love animals but hate specific ones.

    Jul 27, 2013 at 12:22 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #53   Smog

    I live in the UK. Every time I see the Great Indoor/Outdoor Cat Internet Debate, I get a bit bewildered. It’s like, pre-internet, I’d never even realised some people keep their cats indoors all the time. The concept just seems weird, like as if you woke up one day and everyone’s going “Omigod you let your kids play in the PARK???” and you don’t even know where to begin because there’s such a gulf in basic expectations that you can’t identify any common ground.

    Do you know what a cat-flap is? Do they sell them in the US & Australia? Do cat-haters go and smash up the cat-flap displays in pet shops? Not challenging, just curious.

    Around here, cats are just… cats. They come and go, wander around, sit on walls, roll in the dust at the roadside, climb on sheds, occasionally dart across roads, and sometimes grumpy gardeners spray them with water pistols or install high-frequency gadgets to keep them away.

    We still appear to have birds, also.

    Disclosure: I have a cat. He can go outside, but doesn’t bother much any more, as he’s old. He used to occasionally kill things. He has of course been de-bollocked, de-flea’d, de-wormed, vaccinated, and in 16 years has never caught any of these exciting diseases that are presented as guaranteed. I changed the litter tray whilst pregnant and somehow missed out on toxoplasmosis. Lucky me. Maybe the basic hygiene helped.

    Jul 27, 2013 at 1:09 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #53.1   Dr.Chalkwitheringlicktacklefeff

      Some friends of my wife keep their cats indoors. They’re just generally odd in a lot of ways though.

      Jul 27, 2013 at 11:39 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #53.2   Rattus

      I love you, Smog. You and your common sense and basic hygiene.

      Jul 28, 2013 at 2:10 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #53.3   kaetra

      You forgot to mention an important part of outdoor cat activities. Sure, sitting on walls and rolling in dust sound oh so cute – but crapping, pissing and spraying everywhere is definitely not cute. You’ve never woken up to the lovely stench of cat spray all over your front door? Lucky you, must be a result of your basic hygiene armor.

      Jul 30, 2013 at 6:30 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #54   Dr.Chalkwitheringlicktacklefeff

    Oh, not this again! :(

    Jul 27, 2013 at 11:38 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #55   Vodalus

    What boggles my mind is all the people saying “don’t throw something heavy! Call animal control!”

    Do you actually understand how they achieve the control in animal control? It’s a lot more permanent than lobbing a football* at the cat. To be even more clear: calling animal control is basically a death sentence.

    * a regulation-sized American football weighs just under 1 lb; some would consider that to be heavy

    Jul 28, 2013 at 12:02 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #55.1   Jami

      They make an effort to find the owner first. And unless the animal is sick or vicious, they try to get them adopted.

      Get some facts, please.

      Jul 28, 2013 at 1:36 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #56   Jess

    Nobody’s Moggy should be glad it’s not my neighbor. My neighbor got shot and thrown in prison for trying to shoot another neighbor’s cat. Defending a friend’s property, you know…

    Jul 28, 2013 at 4:55 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #57   Dan

    Hurt my cat and I’ll throw something heavy at you.

    Jul 28, 2013 at 5:12 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #58   Raichu

    The amount of vitriol that appears in the thread of any post containing both of the words “cat” and “yard” is mind-blowing.

    Notewriter: I find it odd that you threaten to hurt the cat (wrong thing) for merely existing, but will call animal control (right thing) if it actually becomes destructive.

    How about you call them, they catch the cat and see whose it is, and then they act accordingly (return it to mommy, or take it to a shelter)? Yay, everybody wins.

    (I think perhaps the most ridiculous part of this is that they put a sign up and seem to have a 100% expectation that it will be read by the right person, even though they don’t know who that is.)

    Jul 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #59   Holly

    Surely it’s not a matter of either/or? Dogs manage perfectly well being kept indoors/in a yard most of the day then being taken out/walked periodically. Why do cat owners find this concept so difficult? I’m pretty sure that if someone’s dog leapt into your garden and starting doing its business on your property you wouldn’t be thrilled, so why do some people think it’s perfectly acceptable for their cats to do the same thing?

    Also, it depends entirely on where you live. If you’re in a city then having an indoor cat is going to be by far the safest lifestyle for it. If you live in the middle of nowhere with no neighbours nearby then what’s the problem with having an outdoor cat? The problems arise, it seems, when people live near to others but in a relatively safe area. Then some inconsiderate cat people (I say some because I know many lovely, considerate people who are owned by cats!) assume that because they love their felines and put up with the occasional dead mouse/bird, that everyone else will. It’s not impossible to train cats to stay within a certain territory, and if they won’t then take them out on leads or see if you can come to some compromise with any cat-hating neighbours who will have a problem with your cat running around on their property.

    For those of you saying that all cats in the UK are outdoor cats – not true. My best friend owns a cat that would be mortified at stepping a foot outside her flat. Also, growing up we would on an almost annual basis have cats break into our chicken run and kill our chickens. My father was too soft-hearted to call the police on the owners of the cat responsible, so it kept doing it despite us asking its owners to put something on its claws or to confine it to their property.

    Jul 29, 2013 at 6:49 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #60   Flibbers

    I agree with Smog and her voice of reason. I live in the UK too and I think maybe we’re a tad more relaxed towards the felines. Cats around my way are allowed to wander as they please and there has never been any problem. No reported injuries, no collapse of the ecosytem and no plague. My parents have bird feeders and boxes in their garden, which of course does attract curious moggies, but we find a little squirt with the hose or a water pistol will send them on their way for a while. There is a gorgeous fluffy tortoiseshell who quite often uses my garden as a through-road to wherever she is going, but of course if my dog is outside in his run she has to make her way over the fence pretty sharpish!

    I’m always a bit baffled when people say they have an indoor cat, what is the point of an indoor cat? It makes me think of those odd folk who keep budgies in cages as pets.

    I don’t really get what all the hoo-ha is about, you guys know that birds can fly away from cats…right? Well-fed domestic cats love to chase stuff, but I think their primary goal in life is probably more along the lines of laying in the sunshine or having their belly rubbed. Some of you seem a bit frantic and terrified, like you think all domestic cats are bird and rodent terminators, programmed only to kill everything in sight.

    Jul 30, 2013 at 7:32 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #60.1   kate

      My budgie was my best friend. He was loyal, beautiful and the smartest pet I’ve ever owned. I took him for walks in a travelling cage, played games with him, shared my snacks. He was a dear, but he was at least ten generations back in captivity and would no more be able to survive in the wild than a chicken would.

      Jul 30, 2013 at 3:04 pm   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #61   Flibbers

    I don’t see the appeal of keeping an animal that can fly in a cage, they have wings for a reason. It would be like having a fish but keeping it in sand instead of water, you’re not allowing them to live normally.

    Aug 1, 2013 at 4:10 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

    • #61.1   Poltergeist

      To be fair, that analogy is kinda silly since the bird will not die just from being in a cage while the fish will perish quickly without water.

      Aug 1, 2013 at 11:35 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up

  • #62   Flibbers

    I was making the point that it would be as pointless and cruel to keep a fish in sand as it is to keep a bird in a cage, but duly noted.

    How about this one, keeping a pet bird is a bit like having a pet dog but never taking it for a walk or playing fetch with it. It wouldn’t die, but it wouldn’t be happy.

    Aug 5, 2013 at 5:52 am   rating: 90  small thumbs up


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